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Title: Why high tides are formed in temperate zones, and not at the equator?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 11/08/2018 19:59:17
1.Why high tides are formed in temperate zones, and not at the equator?
2. Are there alternative theories of tides?

According to the lunar theory of tides, the Earth's crust at the latitude of London, with a frequency of twice a day, rises and falls with an amplitude of about 20 cm, at the equator the swing of oscillations exceeds half a meter (2.5 times more).
https://ru.m.wikibooks.org/wiki/Трудные_темы_курса_физики/Приливные_силы_и_волны
Then why, the highest tides are formed in the temperate zones and not at the equator?
The highest tides on Earth are formed in the Fandi Bay in North America - 18 m, Ungava Bay Quebec - 17m, at the mouth of the Severn River in England - 16 m, in the Bay of Mont-Saint-Michel in France - 15 m, in the mouths of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, Penzhinskaya and Gizhiginskaya - 13 m , at the cape Nerpinsky in the Mezensky Bay - 11 m.

To answer this question, we need to name 5 gulfs in the equatorial zone, where the height of the tides exceeds 10 meters, otherwise the lunar theory about tides loses logic.

If to argue logically, at the equator the height of the tide should be 35-40 meters.
If, the Bay of Fundy was on the equator, then the height of the tide was 45 meters.
https://www.co-ops.nos.noaa.gov/faq2.html#26
The swirling theory of tides
 https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=73127.0 explains this inconsistency by the absence of whirlpools at the equator, as well as cyclones and anticyclones.
To form whirlpools, cyclones and anticyclones, the deflecting force of Coriolis is needed. At the equator, the Coriolis force is minimal and in the temperate zones, it is maximal.


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Title: Re: Are there alternative theories of tides?
Post by: wolfekeeper on 11/08/2018 22:09:49
Not credible ones.
Title: Re: Are there alternative theories of tides?
Post by: chiralSPO on 11/08/2018 22:20:23
There are some competing theories/models of gravitation (Newtonian vs General Relativity, vs gravitons), but once you choose a model, tides are well-described.
Title: Re: Are there alternative theories of tides?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 15/08/2018 19:43:31
Not credible ones.
How are their names
Title: Re: Why high tides are formed in temperate zones, and not at the equator?
Post by: Bored chemist on 29/08/2018 12:25:33
Why high tides are formed in temperate zones, and not at the equator?
Here's a counter example
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turama_River
it only takes one  counter example to show that you are wrong.

A bit of research  brings this to light
" It appears that the range of the tides gets larger the further the location from the equator. What causes this?

If you only consider a few locations, this may seem to be true; but it is not the case. Literally hundreds of locations in the extreme north and south latitudes have small tidal ranges, and a number of stations closer to the equator have large tidal ranges. For example, Korea is at roughly the same latitude as most of the U.S. coast. Numerous stations in Korea have a tidal range of more than 20 feet, most of the U.S. coast has a tidal range of 3-6 feet. A number of locations very near the equator which have a tidal range of 15-17 feet."
from
https://www.co-ops.nos.noaa.gov/faq2.html#26
Title: Re: Why high tides are formed in temperate zones, and not at the equator?
Post by: Colin2B on 29/08/2018 13:35:07
Coriolis force is minimal and in the temperate zones, it is maximal.
No, it is maximal at the poles.
One of your problems with the whirlpool idea is that Coriolis effect is not responsible for the speed of the rotation only the deflection; also it is not responsible for the precession which for a gyroscope would be max at equator and zero at the poles.
Title: Re: Why high tides are formed in temperate zones, and not at the equator?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 29/08/2018 14:06:08
Why high tides are formed in temperate zones, and not at the equator?
Here's a counter example
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turama_River
it only takes one  counter example to show that you are wrong.
https://www.co-ops.nos.noaa.gov/faq2.html#26
Q: Where are the highest tides?
Below is a listing of 50 locations from around the world where the largest range of tides that have been observed.

Station   Mean Range (feet)
Burntcoat Head, Minas Basin, Bay of Fundy, Nova Scotia   38.4
Horton Bluff, Avon River, Minas Basin, Bay of Fundy, Nova Scotia   38.1
Amherst Point, Cumberland Basin, Bay of Fundy, Nova Scotia   35.6
Parrsboro (Partridge Island), Minas Basin, Bay of Fundy, Nova Scotia   34.4
Hopewell Cape, Petitcodiac River, Bay of Fundy, New Brunswick   33.2
Joggins, Bay of Fundy, Nova Scotia   33.2
Leaf Lake, Ungava Bay, Quebec   32.0
Port of Bristol (Avonmouth), United Kingdom   31.5
Grindstone Island, Petitcodiac River, Bay of Fundy, New Brunswick   31.1
Spencer Island, Bay of Fundy, Nova Scotia   30.5
Newport, Bristol Channel, United Kingdom   30.3
Sunrise, Turnagain Arm, Cook Inlet, Alaska   30.3
Burnham, Parrett River, United Kingdom   29.9
Weston-super-Mare, Bristol Channel, United Kingdom   29.5
Rio Gallegos (Reduccion Beacon), Argentina   29.0
Koksoak River entrance, Hudson Bay, Canada   28.5
Herring Cove, Bay of Fundy, New Brunswick   28.3
Granville, France   28.2
Cardiff, Bristol Channel, United Kingdom   28.1
Leaf Bay, Ungava Bay, Quebec   28.0
Banco Direccion, Magellan Strait, Chile   28.0
Cancale, France   27.8
Bahia Posesion, Magellan Strait, Chile   27.5
Ile Haute, Bay of Fundy, Nova Scotia   27.5
Barry, Bristol Channel, United Kingdom   27.1
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The waters of the Gulf of Papua rotate clockwise, forming a huge whirlpool -
gyroscope, which, precessing, reflects a tidal wave in the direction of the Turama River. (there is no data on the flow velocity and the height of the tidal wave).
A similar pattern of tides and tides is observed in all lakes, seas and oceans.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:New_guinea_Turama.png
Your links are contradictory.
Title: Re: Why high tides are formed in temperate zones, and not at the equator?
Post by: Colin2B on 29/08/2018 18:11:53
Your links are contradictory.
If you say that, you clearly havenít bothered to read the links @Bored chemist took the trouble to post for you.

It says quite clearly that you are wrong in your assertion:

ďIt appears that the range of the tides gets larger the further the location from the equator. What causes this?
If you only consider a few locations, this may seem to be true; but it is not the case. Literally hundreds of locations in the extreme north and south latitudes have small tidal ranges, and a number of stations closer to the equator have large tidal ranges. For example, Korea is at roughly the same latitude as most of the U.S. coast. Numerous stations in Korea have a tidal range of more than 20 feet, most of the U.S. coast has a tidal range of 3-6 feet. A number of locations very near the equator which have a tidal range of 15-17 feet.Ē

You are guilty of cherry picking your data.
Title: Re: Why high tides are formed in temperate zones, and not at the equator?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 29/08/2018 19:24:44
a number of stations closer to the equator have large tidal ranges.
Why are high tides formed in temperate zones, and not at the equator?
I am not the author of this question, in science it has long been asked and this is the Achilles heel of the lunar theory of tides.
To answer this question, we need to name 5 gulfs in the equatorial zone, where the height of the tides exceeds 10 meters, otherwise the lunar theory about tides loses logic.
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According to the lunar theory of tides, the Earth's crust at the latitude of London, with a frequency of twice a day, rises and falls with an amplitude of about 20 cm, at the equator the swing of oscillations exceeds half a meter.
Then why, the highest tides are formed in the temperate zones and not at the equator?
The highest tides on Earth are formed in the Fandi Bay in North America - 18 m,  Ungava Bay Quebec 17, at the mouth of the Severn River in England - 16 m, in the Bay of Mont-Saint-Michel in France - 15 m, in the mouths of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, Penzhinskaya and Gizhiginskaya - 13 m , at the cape Nerpinsky in the Mezensky Bay - 11 m.
Title: Re: Why high tides are formed in temperate zones, and not at the equator?
Post by: Bored chemist on 29/08/2018 20:03:09
Why are high tides formed in temperate zones, and not at the equator?
Why do you think they should be highest at the equator?
Title: Re: Why high tides are formed in temperate zones, and not at the equator?
Post by: Bored chemist on 29/08/2018 20:04:47
this is the Achilles heel of the lunar theory of tides.
Why?
Title: Re: Why high tides are formed in temperate zones, and not at the equator?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 29/08/2018 20:34:08
Why are high tides formed in temperate zones, and not at the equator?
Why do you think they should be highest at the equator?
According to the lunar theory of tides, the Earth's crust at the latitude of London, with a frequency of twice a day, rises and falls with an amplitude of about 20 cm, at the equator the swing of oscillations exceeds half a meter.
Title: Re: Why high tides are formed in temperate zones, and not at the equator?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 29/08/2018 20:44:20
this is the Achilles heel of the lunar theory of tides.
Why?
When high tides are formed in temperate zones, and not at the equator - this is chaos (the absence of logic, this is chaos).
Title: Re: Why high tides are formed in temperate zones, and not at the equator?
Post by: Bored chemist on 29/08/2018 20:47:49
When high tides are formed in temperate zones, and not at the equator, it is chaos.
Just saying "it is chaos" doesn't tell us anything.
According to the lunar theory of tides, the Earth's crust at the latitude of London, with a frequency of twice a day, rises and falls with an amplitude of about 20 cm, at the equator the swing of oscillations exceeds half a meter.

And is that the only thing that makes a difference?
No, obviously not.
Title: Re: Why high tides are formed in temperate zones, and not at the equator?
Post by: The Spoon on 29/08/2018 21:21:47
The highest tides on Earth are formed in the Fandi Bay in North America - 18 m, Ungava Bay Quebec 17, at the mouth of the Severn River in England - 16 m, in the Bay of Mont-Saint-Michel in France - 15 m, in the mouths of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, Penzhinskaya and Gizhiginskaya - 13 m , at the cape Nerpinsky in the Mezensky Bay - 11 m.
The swirling theory of tides explains this inconsistency by the absence of whirlpools at the equator, as well as cyclones and anticyclones.
I have sailed in the Severn estuary several times and have yet to encounter these whirlpools you seem to think are present.
Title: Re: Why high tides are formed in temperate zones, and not at the equator?
Post by: Colin2B on 30/08/2018 09:05:02
Again, you are being selective with the data. If you look at a map of the world you will see that the equator passes through very few coastal places whereas the 2 temperate zones include a large number of coastal sites, so your two samples are not comparable.
As I pointed out before, your precession theory would result in larger tides at the equator than anywhere else, so the onus is on you to provide the evidence.
In reality the maximum tidal bulge follows the moonís orbit which does not follow the equator. Many people mistakenly think it does and so make an incorrect assumption.

You say your "theory" solves all the problems.
Please show us ho you  would use it to calculate (as an example) the times of the next few high tides in London, New York or Barcelona or some other place where we can check.
If you can't do that then your idea doesn't even solve the simplest problem.
Unfortunately you are avoiding answering @Bored chemist  and looking at your post I can see why.

The length of the tidal wave depends on the diameter of the whirlpool. And the height of the tidal wave depends on the rotation speed of the whirlpool of the orbital velocity of the Earth, and the time of the tilting of the whirlpool (12 hours).
A = V1 ē V2 / t
where: A is the amplitude of the tidal wave (precession angle).
V1 - rotation speed of the whirlpool.
V2 is the orbital velocity of the Earth.
t - the time of tilting of the whirlpool (12 hours).
The first problem with this formula is that it does not return an amplitude, it produces a number of square metres per second. That is clearly wrong.

Next problem involves timing:
As is known, everything that rotates, including whirlpools, possess the property of a gyro (yule) to maintain the vertical position of the axis in space, regardless of the rotation of the Earth.
If you look at the Earth from the Sun, the whirlpools, rotating together with the Earth, turn over twice a day, due to which the whirlpools precess (swing by 1-2 degrees) and reflect the tidal wave around the entire perimeter of the whirlpool.
A rigid gyroscope on earth will indeed align itself to the sidereal day which is 4mins shorter than the solar day. However, that gives a number of problems for your theory.
Firstly, we know from observation that the main tide period is period is about 12hrs 25mins - half a lunar day - so two tides take 24hrs 50mins which is the average time for the Earth to rotate once relative to the Moon. This is a hugh difference from your difference of 4mins in 24hrs making your double tide period 23hrs 56mins.  Clearly your predictions can never work with this theory.

Your precession theory is also flawed because we are not dealing with a rigid gyroscope, so rather than turning over the water level would rise at one edge until gravity restrained it, leading to a constant level.

I have sailed in the Severn estuary several times and have yet to encounter these whirlpools you seem to think are present.
They donít exist in the channel or north sea either. He is confusing tidal wave circulation with currents and doesnít understand the difference.

There are so many false assumptions in these various topics that is hardly worth the effort of replying, especially as the op isnít listening and just keeps repeating the same old false claims.
Title: Re: Why high tides are formed in temperate zones, and not at the equator?
Post by: Bored chemist on 30/08/2018 09:11:39
 Yusup Hizirov
If the whirlpools existed and caused the tides, then there should be equally high tides all round them.
Do you have data showing anything like that?
Title: Re: Why high tides are formed in temperate zones, and not at the equator?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 30/08/2018 13:19:56
Again, you are being selective with the data. If you look at a map of the world you will see that the equator passes through very few coastal places whereas the 2 temperate zones include a large number of coastal sites, so your two samples are not comparable.
Take even wider.
You have the advantage, you collect data at the equator, and I'm in the temperate zone.

According to the lunar theory of tides, the earth's crust at the latitude of London rises and falls twice a day with an amplitude of about 20 cm. At the equator, the swing of oscillations exceeds half a meter (2.5 times more).
If to argue logically, at the equator the height of the tide should be 35-40 meters.
If, the Bay of Fundy was on the equator, then the height of the tide was 45 meters.
Title: Re: Why high tides are formed in temperate zones, and not at the equator?
Post by: The Spoon on 30/08/2018 13:31:24
Again, you are being selective with the data. If you look at a map of the world you will see that the equator passes through very few coastal places whereas the 2 temperate zones include a large number of coastal sites, so your two samples are not comparable.
Take even wider.
You have the advantage, you collect data at the equator, and I'm in the temperate zone.

According to the lunar theory of tides, the earth's crust at the latitude of London rises and falls twice a day with an amplitude of about 20 cm. At the equator, the swing of oscillations exceeds half a meter (at the equator 2.5 times more).
If to argue logically, at the equator the height of the tide should be 35-40 meters.
Have you evidence for that assertion?
Title: Re: Why high tides are formed in temperate zones, and not at the equator?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 30/08/2018 15:50:32
Again, you are being selective with the data. If you look at a map of the world you will see that the equator passes through very few coastal places whereas the 2 temperate zones include a large number of coastal sites, so your two samples are not comparable.
Take even wider.
You have the advantage, you collect data at the equator, and I'm in the temperate zone.

According to the lunar theory of tides, the earth's crust at the latitude of London rises and falls twice a day with an amplitude of about 20 cm. At the equator, the swing of oscillations exceeds half a meter (2.5 times more).
If to argue logically, at the equator the height of the tide should be 35-40 meters.
If, the Bay of Fundy was on the equator, then the height of the tide was 45 meters.
Have you evidence for that assertion?
All these data are on the Internet.
https://ru.m.wikibooks.org/wiki/Трудные_темы_курса_физики/Приливные_силы_и_волны
The earth's crust at the latitude of Moscow, with frequency twice a day, rises and falls with an amplitude of about 20 cm. At the equator, the swing of oscillations exceeds half a meter.
https:/.../dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/enc_geo/6965/приливы
https:/.../slovar.wikireading.ru/1092227
Title: Re: Why high tides are formed in temperate zones, and not at the equator?
Post by: The Spoon on 30/08/2018 17:50:50
Again, you are being selective with the data. If you look at a map of the world you will see that the equator passes through very few coastal places whereas the 2 temperate zones include a large number of coastal sites, so your two samples are not comparable.
Take even wider.
You have the advantage, you collect data at the equator, and I'm in the temperate zone.

According to the lunar theory of tides, the earth's crust at the latitude of London rises and falls twice a day with an amplitude of about 20 cm. At the equator, the swing of oscillations exceeds half a meter (at the equator 2.5 times more).
If to argue logically, at the equator the height of the tide should be 35-40 meters.
If, the Bay of Fundy was on the equator, then the height of the tide was 45 meters.
Have you evidence for that assertion?
All these data are on the Internet.
https://ru.m.wikibooks.org/wiki/Трудные_темы_курса_физики/Приливные_силы_и_волны
So thanks to them, the earth's crust at the latitude of Moscow, with frequency twice a day, rises and falls with an amplitude of about 20 cm. At the equator, the swing of oscillations exceeds half a meter.
https:/.../dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/enc_geo/6965/приливы
https:/.../slovar.wikireading.ru/1092227
My apologies. The question should have been 'do you have any credible, peer reviewed sources to back up your assertion'.
Title: Re: Why high tides are formed in temperate zones, and not at the equator?
Post by: Bored chemist on 30/08/2018 17:56:18
The Earth's crust moves about that far when (or at the same frequency as)  the moon passes over.
What doesn't seem supported is the conjecture that "
If to argue logically, at the equator the height of the tide should be 35-40 meters.
If, the Bay of Fundy was on the equator, then the height of the tide was 45 meters.
Title: Re: Why high tides are formed in temperate zones, and not at the equator?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 30/08/2018 22:06:39
Why high tides are formed in temperate zones, and not at the equator?

According to the lunar theory of tides, the Earth's crust at the latitude of London, with a frequency of twice a day, rises and falls with an amplitude of about 20 cm, at the equator the swing of oscillations exceeds half a meter (2.5 times more).
https://ru.m.wikibooks.org/wiki/Трудные_темы_курса_физики/Приливные_силы_и_волны
Then why, the highest tides are formed in the temperate zones and not at the equator?
The highest tides on Earth are formed in the Fandi Bay in North America - 18 m, Ungava Bay Quebec - 17m, at the mouth of the Severn River in England - 16 m, in the Bay of Mont-Saint-Michel in France - 15 m, in the mouths of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, Penzhinskaya and Gizhiginskaya - 13 m , at the cape Nerpinsky in the Mezensky Bay - 11 m.

To answer this question, we need to name 5 gulfs in the equatorial zone, where the height of the tides exceeds 10 meters, otherwise the lunar theory about tides loses logic.

If to argue logically, at the equator the height of the tide should be 35-40 meters.
If, the Bay of Fundy was on the equator, then the height of the tide was 45 meters.
https://www.co-ops.nos.noaa.gov/faq2.html#26
The swirling theory of tides https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=73127.0 explains this inconsistency by the absence of whirlpools at the equator, as well as cyclones and anticyclones.
To form whirlpools, cyclones and anticyclones, the deflecting force of Coriolis is needed. At the equator, the Coriolis force is minimal and in the temperate zones, it is maximal.
If these facts have not convinced you, ask questions, we will convince.
Title: Re: Why high tides are formed in temperate zones, and not at the equator?
Post by: Kryptid on 31/08/2018 05:40:32
According to the lunar theory of tides, the Earth's crust at the latitude of London, with a frequency of twice a day, rises and falls with an amplitude of about 20 cm, at the equator the swing of oscillations exceeds half a meter (2.5 times more).
https://ru.m.wikibooks.org/wiki/Трудные_темы_курса_физики/Приливные_силы_и_волны
Then why, the highest tides are formed in the temperate zones and not at the equator?

So you think that solid rock and liquid water behave the same way? Seriously?
Title: Re: Why high tides are formed in temperate zones, and not at the equator?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 31/08/2018 08:18:26
For I am the God of science.
Ask questions at the level of your status.
Seriously?
Title: Re: Why high tides are formed in temperate zones, and not at the equator?
Post by: The Spoon on 31/08/2018 08:40:58
For I am the God of science.
Ask questions at the level of your status.
Seriously?
Whilst reading and comprehension don't seem to be your your strong points, look at this again. Have you not noticed that it is a quote from another forum member?
Title: Re: Why high tides are formed in temperate zones, and not at the equator?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 31/08/2018 09:05:39
For I am the God of science.
Ask questions at the level of your status.
Seriously?
1. Whilst reading and comprehension don't seem to be your your strong points, look at this again.
2. Have you not noticed that it is a quote from another forum member?
1. This is due to the inaccuracy of the translation.
2. Ask this question where you read it, there is more information you need.
Title: Re: Why high tides are formed in temperate zones, and not at the equator?
Post by: The Spoon on 31/08/2018 12:43:13
For I am the God of science.
Ask questions at the level of your status.
Seriously?
For I am the God of science.
Ask questions at the level of your status.
Seriously?
In answer to
For I am the God of science.
Ask questions at the level of your status.
Seriously?
1. Whilst reading and comprehension don't seem to be your your strong points, look at this again.
2. Have you not noticed that it is a quote from another forum member?
1. This is due to the inaccuracy of the translation.
2. Ask this question where you read it, there is more information you need.
You indi
2. Ask this question where you read it, there is more information you need.
For I am the God of science.
Ask questions at the level of your status.
Seriously?
For I am the God of science.
Ask questions at the level of your status.
Seriously?
In answer to
For I am the God of science.
Ask questions at the level of your status.
Seriously?
1. Whilst reading and comprehension don't seem to be your your strong points, look at this again.
2. Have you not noticed that it is a quote from another forum member?
1. This is due to the inaccuracy of the translation.
2. Ask this question where you read it, there is more information you need.
You indi
2. Ask this question where you read it, there is more information you need.
You are claiming this is a quotye from Kryptid. It is not - hence my point about reading and comprehension not being one of your strong point. Look again at Kryptid's posts - this is not a statement he is making, he is quoting your friend TheBox. Claiming otherwise is dishonest.
Title: Re: Why high tides are formed in temperate zones, and not at the equator?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 31/08/2018 14:37:59
Give me a link to the question TheBox.
Title: Re: Why high tides are formed in temperate zones, and not at the equator?
Post by: The Spoon on 31/08/2018 14:42:58
Give me a link to the question TheBox.
What are you going on about?
Title: Re: Why high tides are formed in temperate zones, and not at the equator?
Post by: Kryptid on 31/08/2018 17:34:42
Ask questions at the level of your status.
Seriously?

Why are so many people on this discussion board blind? I put Thebox's quote in my signature because it was so ridiculous that I couldn't ignore it. It even says, "Quote from: Thebox on 14/05/2018 08:57:39". Please try harder next time.

Here is a link to the post where he calls himself the "God of science": https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=73259.msg541982#msg541982:

GRRRRR, just no , I am not having it, you are insulting my intelligence.

Space is not tangible, it is verifiable that space cannot be destroyed. 

I am correct and ''you'' are incorrect. 

I am the hero of my story and the hero does not give in to subjective dogma and cognitive control,  the hero kick's ass on the dance floor.
Let's dance, I am the genius in this story , not ''you'' . 

For I am the God of science.



Now, do you really think that solid rock and liquid water behave the same way?
Title: Re: Why high tides are formed in temperate zones, and not at the equator?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 31/08/2018 19:56:31
According to the lunar theory of tides, the Earth's crust at the latitude of London, with a frequency of twice a day, rises and falls with an amplitude of about 20 cm, at the equator the swing of oscillations exceeds half a meter (2.5 times more).
https://ru.m.wikibooks.org/wiki/Трудные_темы_курса_физики/Приливные_силы_и_волны
Then why, the highest tides are formed in the temperate zones and not at the equator?

So you think that solid rock and liquid water behave the same way? Seriously?
Absolutely right.
Title: Re: Why high tides are formed in temperate zones, and not at the equator?
Post by: Kryptid on 31/08/2018 21:15:29
Absolutely right.

Alright then. Get back to me when you find instances of whirlpools, wind-blown waves, currents and tsunamis inside of Mount Everest.
Title: Re: Why high tides are formed in temperate zones, and not at the equator?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 31/08/2018 21:30:16
According to the lunar theory of tides, the Earth's crust at the latitude of London, with a frequency of twice a day, rises and falls with an amplitude of about 20 cm, at the equator the swing of oscillations exceeds half a meter (2.5 times more).
https://ru.m.wikibooks.org/wiki/Трудные_темы_курса_физики/Приливные_силы_и_волны
Then why, the highest tides are formed in the temperate zones and not at the equator?

So you think that solid rock and liquid water behave the same way? Seriously?
Absolutely right.
The gravity of the moon does not reach the rock and the water.
Title: Re: Why high tides are formed in temperate zones, and not at the equator?
Post by: Kryptid on 31/08/2018 22:09:51
The gravity of the moon does not reach the rock and the water.

So you think the Earth has some kind of force field that keeps the Moon's gravity out now?

We know for a fact that the Moon's gravity does reach Earth and it can even be detected. Watch the following clip from Mythbusters starting at the 30:00 mark:


They state that they were able to detect the Moon passing overhead using their gravity meter.
Title: Re: Why high tides are formed in temperate zones, and not at the equator?
Post by: guest39538 on 31/08/2018 22:24:20
The gravity of the moon does not reach the rock and the water.
That is strange, because if it didn't, the moon would not orbit the earth, it would travel in a straight line and fly off into space....
Title: Re: Why high tides are formed in temperate zones, and not at the equator?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 31/08/2018 22:44:36
The gravity of the moon does not reach the rock and the water.

So you think the Earth has some kind of force field that keeps the Moon's gravity out now?

We know for a fact that the Moon's gravity does reach Earth and it can even be detected. Watch the following clip from Mythbusters starting at the 30:00 mark:


They state that they were able to detect the Moon passing overhead using their gravity meter.
Now let them measure gravity and tides at the equator, "there it is 2.5 times larger".
Title: Re: Why high tides are formed in temperate zones, and not at the equator?
Post by: Kryptid on 31/08/2018 22:46:52
Now let them measure gravity and tides at the equator, there it is 2.5 times larger.

So now you agree that you were wrong when you said, "The gravity of the moon does not reach the rock and the water"? Also, gravity is not 2.5 times stronger at the equator. Where did you get that idea from?
Title: Re: Why high tides are formed in temperate zones, and not at the equator?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 31/08/2018 23:17:49
Why high tides are formed in temperate zones, and not at the equator?

According to the lunar theory of tides, the Earth's crust at the latitude of London, with a frequency of twice a day, rises and falls with an amplitude of about 20 cm, at the equator the swing of oscillations exceeds half a meter (2.5 times more).
https://ru.m.wikibooks.org/wiki/Трудные_темы_курса_физики/Приливные_силы_и_волны
Then why, the highest tides are formed in the temperate zones and not at the equator?
The highest tides on Earth are formed in the Fandi Bay in North America - 18 m, Ungava Bay Quebec - 17m, at the mouth of the Severn River in England - 16 m, in the Bay of Mont-Saint-Michel in France - 15 m, in the mouths of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, Penzhinskaya and Gizhiginskaya - 13 m , at the cape Nerpinsky in the Mezensky Bay - 11 m.

To answer this question, we need to name 5 gulfs in the equatorial zone, where the height of the tides exceeds 10 meters, otherwise the lunar theory about tides loses logic.

If to argue logically, at the equator the height of the tide should be 35-40 meters.
If, the Bay of Fundy was on the equator, then the height of the tide was 45 meters.
https://www.co-ops.nos.noaa.gov/faq2.html#26
The swirling theory of tides
 https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=73127.0 explains this inconsistency by the absence of whirlpools at the equator, as well as cyclones and anticyclones.
To form whirlpools, cyclones and anticyclones, the deflecting force of Coriolis is needed. At the equator, the Coriolis force is minimal and in the temperate zones, it is maximal.
If this post does not convince you of anything, you need to escape from this forum and science (quickly).
Title: Re: Why high tides are formed in temperate zones, and not at the equator?
Post by: Kryptid on 31/08/2018 23:28:48
If this post does not convince you of anything, you need to escape from this forum and science (quickly).

I guess that would leave you as the only member of the forum, now wouldn't it?

Funny how you ignored my questions about whether the Moon's gravity reaches the Earth or not.
Title: Re: Why high tides are formed in temperate zones, and not at the equator?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 01/09/2018 09:01:40
If this post does not convince you of anything, you need to escape from this forum and science (quickly).

I guess that would leave you as the only member of the forum, now wouldn't it?

Funny how you ignored my questions about whether the Moon's gravity reaches the Earth or not.
Before you write a post, you need to read the topic. (adhering to a minimum of morality).
Answer 182, 184:
https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=73127.180
Title: Re: Why high tides are formed in temperate zones, and not at the equator?
Post by: Bored chemist on 01/09/2018 13:07:36
If this post does not convince you of anything, you need to escape from this forum and science (quickly).
I am convinced that you don't know what you are talking about.
Title: Re: Why high tides are formed in temperate zones, and not at the equator?
Post by: Bored chemist on 01/09/2018 13:10:30
If this post does not convince you of anything, you need to escape from this forum and science (quickly).

I guess that would leave you as the only member of the forum, now wouldn't it?

Funny how you ignored my questions about whether the Moon's gravity reaches the Earth or not.
Before you write a post, you need to read the topic. (adhering to a minimum of morality).
Answer 182, 184:
https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=73127.180
I rebutted both those posts of yours at the time.
Since they are known not to be true, there's not much point telling people to read them.
Title: Re: Why high tides are formed in temperate zones, and not at the equator?
Post by: Kryptid on 01/09/2018 15:42:07
Before you write a post, you need to read the topic. (adhering to a minimum of morality).
Answer 182, 184:
https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=73127.180

So you're still dodging my question...
Title: Re: Why high tides are formed in temperate zones, and not at the equator?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 01/09/2018 17:18:48
Moon's gravity reaches the Earth or not.
Before you write a post, you need to read the topic. (adhering to a minimum of morality).
Answer 182, 184:
https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=73127.180
Title: Re: Why high tides are formed in temperate zones, and not at the equator?
Post by: Bored chemist on 01/09/2018 17:20:34
Before you write a post, you need to read the topic. (adhering to a minimum of morality).
Answer 182, 184:
Why should he read two wrong posts?
Just answer the question.
Title: Re: Why high tides are formed in temperate zones, and not at the equator?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 01/09/2018 20:48:23

1. Why should he read two wrong posts?
2. Just answer the question.
These two sentences contradict each other.
Title: Re: Why high tides are formed in temperate zones, and not at the equator?
Post by: Bored chemist on 02/09/2018 18:11:40

1. Why should he read two wrong posts?
2. Just answer the question.
These two sentences contradict each other.
How is reading two posts that say something that's not true, going to answer the question?

Why are you unable to answer his question unless he reads some posts that don't say anything?
Title: Re: Why high tides are formed in temperate zones, and not at the equator?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 02/09/2018 19:19:06
Kryptid said that he no longer participates in the discussion of the topic. So the question was closed.
Title: Re: Why high tides are formed in temperate zones, and not at the equator?
Post by: Colin2B on 03/09/2018 07:34:52
Kryptid said that he no longer participates in the discussion of the topic. So the question was closed.
Whether @Kryptid participates or not has no effect on whether this topic is closed.
This topic is open to anyone.
Title: Re: Why high tides are formed in temperate zones, and not at the equator?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 05/09/2018 10:01:53
"Tidal force" in the equatorial zone is the same everywhere.
Then why, the height of the tides is different.
Title: Re: Why high tides are formed in temperate zones, and not at the equator?
Post by: opportunity on 05/09/2018 10:15:35
I think the general "volume" of water is greater around the equator, and thus owing to the pull of the mass beneath the water table there would "have to" be more variation at the poles. Yet in the event of polar melting, that ice would be held as water more equatorial, yet of course the idea of tidal fluctuations "outside" that equatorial rim still the norm.


The basic issue is the centrifugal effect of the spin of the planet holding the mass of water "more" equatorial, hence tidal influences "more" polar. Apologies for not highlighting that point I was underwriting.


Here's something interesting that ocean wildlife appears to be yielding to:
https://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/sydney-s-marine-life-turning-troppo-as-coral-other-species-head-south-20180904-p501ns.html

Another issue:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/kiribati/9127576/Entire-nation-of-Kiribati-to-be-relocated-over-rising-sea-level-threat.html
Title: Re: Why high tides are formed in temperate zones, and not at the equator?
Post by: The Spoon on 05/09/2018 22:01:48
"Приливная сила" в экваториальной зоне везде одинакова.
Тогда почему, высота приливов разная.
?
Title: Re: Why high tides are formed in temperate zones, and not at the equator?
Post by: Bored chemist on 05/09/2018 22:18:27
Kryptid said that he no longer participates in the discussion of the topic. So the question was closed.
That does not stop you answering the question he asked, does it?
Title: Re: Why high tides are formed in temperate zones, and not at the equator?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 08/09/2018 14:50:59
"Tidal force" in the equatorial zone is the same everywhere.
Then why, the height of the tides is different.
Title: Re: Why high tides are formed in temperate zones, and not at the equator?
Post by: The Spoon on 08/09/2018 14:55:35
"Приливная сила" в экваториальной зоне везде одинакова.
Тогда почему, высота приливов разная.
And what does that mean? Why don't you use the language that is used on the forum?
Title: Re: Why high tides are formed in temperate zones, and not at the equator?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 08/09/2018 15:09:59
"Tidal force" in the equatorial zone is the same everywhere.
Then why, the height of the tides is different.
Title: Re: Why high tides are formed in temperate zones, and not at the equator?
Post by: The Spoon on 08/09/2018 15:12:50
"Tidal force" in the equatorial zone is the same everywhere.
Then why, the height of the tides is different.
As has been explained to you previously, because of local topography. You choose to ignore it though , because it does not fit in with your fantasy.
Please answer my question above.
Title: Re: Why high tides are formed in temperate zones, and not at the equator?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 08/09/2018 15:30:03
1. Because of local topography, the amplitude of the tides can not be so different, at the same height of the tidal wave.
2. On top of many questions, please repeat the question.
Title: Re: Why high tides are formed in temperate zones, and not at the equator?
Post by: The Spoon on 08/09/2018 16:39:20
1. Because of local topography, the amplitude of the tides can not be so different, at the same height of the tidal wave.
What does that even mean?
And the question was as to why you are posting in Russian when people on the forum do not understand this language as you well know, but chose to ignore.
Title: Re: Why high tides are formed in temperate zones, and not at the equator?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 13/09/2018 21:40:03
"Tidal force" in the equatorial zone is the same everywhere.
Then why, the height of the tides is different.
What will be the final answer?