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General Science => General Science => Topic started by: ThoughtTransmitter on 28/11/2018 03:51:40

Title: Fossil Solar: A New Method of Generating Electricity?
Post by: ThoughtTransmitter on 28/11/2018 03:51:40
This is an invention. It sounds stupid, but makes lots of sense, whenever (reliably) making electricity (without moving parts matters).

Put Simply: I wish to: Burn fossil fuel, to make light, to power solar panels 24/7, then recycle the waste heat, for heating buildings.

This idea began with me, looking at the blue light, from a gas boiler flame.
It got much better when: I discovered there are far better ways, of making light, than by just using flame. I figure there is a big market for it, since Combined Heat & Power isn't usually done on a small scale, and one major reason for this, is because moving parts, tend to require lots maintenance (alright on a large scale, but not so much, within the home).
There are many small/medium sized, community heating systems, that could benefit from this idea.

Put More Technically...
1. Burn methane, at it’s flame temperature of 1950C
2. To heat vaporised sodium metal (inside a stainless steel heat exchange) to 1000C.
3. At this temperature it converts heat into light, very efficiently. About 200 lumens per watt.
4. The vapour flows into tubes of borax glass (the same glass used for sodium light bulbs).
5. To further increase efficiency: Several layers of ordinary, transparent glass, encircle these borax glass tubes.
They work by letting light through, but holding back infrared. This reduces temperature difference, which in turn reduces temperature loss.
These ordinary glass tubes (in effect working as: infrared heat reflectors) are very close to the borax glass tube, but not so close, that they physically touch (this enables a vacuum, to further frustrates heat loss)

The light from the Sodium Vapour Tube is almost perfect for solar panels, but less than perfect for street lighting.
This is because it consists of (almost entirely) of just two, very close together, yellow coloured, light frequencies).

6. It now enters an (ideally) circular shaped, solar panel, tube (it again being separated by a vacuum from the heat reflecting glass tubes, themselves being likewise (as said) separated, from the Borax glass, light emitting tube).

*Since these solar panels will not not be hammered by the "Shockley–Queisser Limit" (which exists because ordinary sunlight, is many light frequencies, yet any single solar panel is only ever, especially good at converting just one light frequency into electricity) a very extreme, light conversion efficiencies of 85% into electricity, should be obtainable, according to this chart: (can't show)

7. Even at 85% efficiency, these solar tubes (would) quickly get hot. This is bad, because for every degree centigrade a solar panel gains, represents about 0.25% reduction in electrical output.
But not to worry: The solar panels are cooled by being within a glass tube, flooded with clear (demineralised) water. This water (being demineralised and therefore slightly expensive) dumps its heat, into a heat exchange, cooled by ordinary air-water.
8. It's here (where ordinary air-water is heated) that this air or water, can be used to heat any building.
Unfortunately: Every 10 degrees of heat, represent a 2.5% reduction in solar electricity output (so for water at 60C hot, that's a 15% reduction, if water of 0C could be used to cool the "solar"). Therefore (just like in the ground-earth heat pumps) it pays to have a large heat exchanging area (like a heated floor), providing lots of heat, through only a small temperature gradient.
It's also going to be problematic to use in a gas/Stirling engine, since these engines, like high temperatures (for efficiency), yet every degree costs solar output. Consequently (if it's not used in a building) then it's truly Waste Heat, and the lower temperature it is dumped into the ground/sea/lake, the better electricity production will be.

Has anyone heard of anything like this? Because the crazy thing is, it's very easy, to further increase efficiency, and in addition (altogether separately) further increase returns, on capital investment.
But one issue is, I don't know how efficient Sodium Vapour Lamps are at turning heat into light (i.e. what % heat is converted into light?)

I only read all over Google they are still the most efficient (though the latest LED'a produce a better quality light, and more efficiently given they make it only one direction).

The next issue is: I'm no fan of patents. I'd rather be paid (by a company very experienced at defending them), to further increase efficiency. I know that by publishing here, I have invalidated any ability to patent anything published (its to do with stupid patent rules). But that's ok, as there's more, where this idea came from.

It's silent, reliable (unlike a solar panel), doesn't need moving parts (Convection will move the vapour around, though a small circulator would help) and most of all it's low maintenance. Environmentally it beats burning fuel, to heat water (as does all Combined Heat and Power).
It would be interesting to power a commercial ship (or even a car) this way, because despite the weight of the glass & solar panels, what you gain is the ability to have a very, Clean Burning flame (which means less deaths, from air traffic pollution as its the unburned parts, that do most of the damage).
Title: Re: Fossil Solar: A New Method of Generating Electricity?
Post by: BethWise on 28/11/2018 08:46:05
Natutunan ko at may katuturan sa forum na ito, kaya marami akong nilalaman.
Title: Re: Fossil Solar: A New Method of Generating Electricity?
Post by: Colin2B on 28/11/2018 09:07:53
Natutunan ko at may katuturan sa forum na ito, kaya marami akong nilalaman.
maaari mo bang gawin ang iyong mga komento sa Ingles kung gaano karaming mga tao ang hindi nagsasalita ng Filipino