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Title: My family's personal experience with cancer and cannabis oil
Post by: mydreamis on 05/01/2019 16:02:24
Hello people. First of all sorry for my bad english, i will try my best to explain. After a lot of reading and one successful case of my friend's father cancer, we finally chose to use the cannabis oil treatment for cancer for my father's own case (liver cancer). I have read all the wrong methods of using this stuff. Smoking, drinking, put it in your skin, inject it in your stomach fat, but in my opinion and according to some cases that have success until now, ALL this methods are wrong. The only method that help my friend's father, and seems to help also my father is suppository. In the beginning we try to use it by drinking it, but drinking 1-2ml of cannabis oil per day with strong THC inside is crazy. My father was thinking that he is flying ;D . I took from the pharmacy suppositories that is empty inside, and you can fill them with anything you want. So it became much easier to use 1-2ml (maybe more in the future) and guys.....it helps...well until now and hope for ever  :) . And something important, its not CBD oil. CBD oil is just for pain. THC is the treatment. Thank you guys and sorry if it is hard to understand my writing. Of course we dont even start all the chemotherapy, we didnt chose that way. Its very important because many people do both, but in my opinion its useless to use cannabis oil if you do chemo...chemo kills everithing. I repeat that this is just my opinion, i want to share it with everybody.
Title: Re: My family's personal experience with cancer and cannabis oil
Post by: RD on 05/01/2019 18:37:34
And something important, its not CBD oil. CBD oil is just for pain. THC is the treatment. ...
Of course we dont even start all the chemotherapy, we didnt chose that way. Its very important because many people do both,
 but in my opinion its useless to use cannabis oil if you do chemo...chemo kills everithing.

Where is the long-term large-population study which shows cannabis-oil is an effective treatment for cancer ?.
Quote from: cancerresearchuk
The bottom line is that right now there isnít enough reliable evidence to prove that any form of cannabis can effectively treat cancer in patients. This includes hemp oil, cannabis oil or the active chemicals found within the cannabis plant (cannabinoids) Ė whether natural or man-made.
https://scienceblog.cancerresearchuk.org/2012/07/25/cannabis-cannabinoids-and-cancer-the-evidence-so-far/

Studies have been done comparing "alternative" cancer treatments, like cannabis & veganism,
 with proven-treatments, like surgery & chemotherapy.
The survival  with "alternative" treatments is always worse,  see ...

(https://n1s1t23sxna2acyes3x4cz0h-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/SurvivalAM.jpg)
"Survival curves for (A) all patients, (B) breast, (C) prostate, (D) lung, and (E) colorectal cancers."
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/alternative-medicine-kills-cancer-patients/

I repeat that this is just my opinion, i want to share it with everybody.

Your example, even if true, is an anecdote. Anecdotes are worthless,
see ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence#Faulty_logic
Title: Re: My family's personal experience with cancer and cannabis oil
Post by: mydreamis on 05/01/2019 20:03:56
I must tell you that i care from none to zero for all the evidence that show cannabis not working. Mostly because they where controlled by huge companies in which medical companies hide behind, or because they use it wrong (drinking, smoking etch), or because they use low thc oils. But still, everyone who wants some living proof, can visit me and the anecdotal info will became living people. I am here to share our good results, not prove that cannabis oil work for all of us.
Title: Re: My family's personal experience with cancer and cannabis oil
Post by: mydreamis on 05/01/2019 20:29:35
Guys please i am not here to say that chemo dont work... neither that cannabis treat cancer. Dont want to be misunderstood. I am here because i am happy with our results, with friend's results, and just want to share with you. Dont try to fight any evidence, i got my opinion and other people got theirs. Thats all
Title: Re: My family's personal experience with cancer and cannabis oil
Post by: RD on 05/01/2019 23:09:34
... i am not here to say that chemo dont work... neither that cannabis treat cancer ...

You did claim cannabis treats cancer: you said ...

... THC is the treatment ...

You did claim cannabis treats cancer, if you do not have chemo: you said  ...

... in my opinion its useless to use cannabis oil if you do chemo...chemo kills everithing ...

...  i am happy with our results, with friend's results ...

According to you, your friend's father is high as a kite, but still has cancer ...

... 1-2ml (maybe more in the future) and guys.....it helps...well until now and hope for ever ...

Your memory & logic seem to be impaired, & some evidence of paranoia (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Paranoia) too ...

... medical companies hide ...
http://www.crediblehulk.org/index.php/2016/10/03/10-reasons-why-hidden-cancer-cure-conspiracy-theories-fail (http://www.crediblehulk.org/index.php/2016/10/03/10-reasons-why-hidden-cancer-cure-conspiracy-theories-fail-2/)

You're not partaking (https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/marijuana/what-are-marijuanas-long-term-effects-brain) yourself are you ?.
Title: Re: My family's personal experience with cancer and cannabis oil
Post by: mydreamis on 05/01/2019 23:22:00
I said it help.. you dont pay close attention even though you try to prove otherwise. I also said until now and hope for ever, which means that it is still under treatment and not permanent solution. I also said  that i dont want to prove it to you, or anyone who dont even want to meet me and see the evidence, as long as it works for me  8)
After all it seems that you didnt even read my case carefully
Title: Re: My family's personal experience with cancer and cannabis oil
Post by: mydreamis on 05/01/2019 23:28:42
By the way i really hope that in both of our cases, my father's and my friend's father, go well in the near future, and why not end up winners in their fights with cancer, without chemo.
Title: Re: My family's personal experience with cancer and cannabis oil
Post by: RD on 06/01/2019 03:31:06
I said it help.. you dont pay close attention ...

You also wrote "THC is the treatment" ...


* mydreamis wrote_''THC is the treatment'.png (48.07 kB . 1191x694 - viewed 7675 times)

Then contradicted yourself by saying  "i am not here to say ... that cannabis treat cancer ... (https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=75835.msg564478#msg564478)"

Anyone who chooses cannabis over proven cancer-treatments is potentiality making a deadly mistake.
Symptomatic-relief yes : as it's antiemetic anxiolytic & analgesic (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK230711/),
but cannabis has not been shown to be a cancer treatment. (https://scienceblog.cancerresearchuk.org/2012/07/25/cannabis-cannabinoids-and-cancer-the-evidence-so-far/) ...
Quote from: thelancet.com
As yet there is no evidence that THC or other cannabinoids have anticancer effects in humans.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanonc/article/PIIS1470-2045(04)01711-5/fulltext

Quote from: Professor David H. Gorski
... From what we know now, it is quite clear that cannabis does not cure cancer...
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/medical-marijuana-as-the-new-herbalism-part-2-cannabis-does-not-cure-cancer/ (https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/medical-marijuana-as-the-new-herbalism-part-2-cannabis-does-not-cure-cancer/)

... I also said  that i dont want to prove it to you, or anyone ...

Maybe you don't know where you are: you're in a science-forum, we're all about the proof here.
Title: Re: My family's personal experience with cancer and cannabis oil
Post by: mydreamis on 06/01/2019 11:54:53
Dont make me repeat myself. Yes i said the treatment is the THC, meaning that we use the THC not the CBD, its the therapy that we choose, and obviously not meaning that we win the cancer with THC (you choose the parts of my words that you want and dont even understand the meaning of all the sentence) . I make it clear from the beginning that it help until now, not that we find the cure. So yes the treatment with THC in my case seems to be going really well until now and hope forever. I guess we have to wait a lot more time, but still i am about to meet another person who got treatment with THC this week.
So please dont choose the parts of my words that  you want. Because i said i dont want to prove anything to you or anyone who dont even want to visit me and see by his own eyes. Meaning that anyone who wants can visit and see by his own eyes :P . You really dont seem to understand what i am saying here. Maybe my english is sooo bad.. Who knows......
Title: Re: My family's personal experience with cancer and cannabis oil
Post by: RD on 06/01/2019 15:04:32
... Yes i said the treatment is the THC, meaning that we use the THC not the CBD ...

THC comes from cannabis, if "THC is the treatment", as you say, (The Lancet (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lancet) disagrees),
then cannabis is a cancer treatment, (Oncologist (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oncology) Professor Gorski (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Gorski) disagrees).

Even if your friend's father's cancer disappears, it's not proof cannabis is an effective treatment for cancer.
Cancer sometimes remits without effective-treatment being applied,
see ... https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Spontaneous_remission#Examples_for_various_diseases 

Cannabis can provide relief from cancer symptoms, but it's not been shown to treat/cure cancer in humans (https://scienceblog.cancerresearchuk.org/2012/07/25/cannabis-cannabinoids-and-cancer-the-evidence-so-far/).

... its the therapy that we choose ...

If they've chosen to turn-down chemotherapy in favour of cannabis, (as you advise (https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=75835.msg564452#msg564452)),
 then evidently (https://n1s1t23sxna2acyes3x4cz0h-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/SurvivalAM.jpg) the odds-are that their life-expectancy will be reduced as a result.
Title: Re: My family's personal experience with cancer and cannabis oil
Post by: mydreamis on 06/01/2019 16:27:08
Yes now i have to agree with you. We go against every "standard" and every doctor! But i am here to explain how we chose to use cannabis oil with higher TCH as a potential therapy-treatment (according always to us and not science) to those who already chose to use cannabis oil. I DONT want anybody to stop chemo, or stop listening to doctors. Just to tell our way of using it. Our good results and my happiness though bring me here to tell you my story and share it with you, hopping that everything will keep on going well.
Title: Re: My family's personal experience with cancer and cannabis oil
Post by: mydreamis on 06/01/2019 16:31:19
What is your opinion about doing chemo and also use high tch cannabis oil?
Title: Re: My family's personal experience with cancer and cannabis oil
Post by: Bored chemist on 06/01/2019 16:49:03
What is your opinion about doing chemo and also use high tch cannabis oil?
We are a bunch of scientists.
Our opinion will be that you should get evidence, then act on that.

As far as I understand it, THC doesn't actually affect the cancer.
It may  reduce some of the side effects of chemotherapy- notably nausea- to an extent that a higher dose of treatment can be tolerated.
If that's the case (and it's a big "if") then THC may well help. But the THC on its own is no use.
There is still an interesting question about legality...
Title: Re: My family's personal experience with cancer and cannabis oil
Post by: mydreamis on 07/01/2019 00:20:00
No need to be a scientist or a cop to know that it is illegal and extremely hard to find cannabis oil with high THC. And of course very expensive. Still with all my respect to your knowledge guys, we will continue our therapy, based on the results up until now, and hopping for the best. I am also going to meet some people that use it for a long time this week.
Title: Re: My family's personal experience with cancer and cannabis oil
Post by: RD on 07/01/2019 12:26:30
... I am also going to meet some people that use it for a long time this week ...

Meeting people who have outlived their prognosis is going to give you a distorted-perspective,
see ...  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias

To tell if a purported treatment actually works you need to compare (the survival of) people on that treatment
with a comparable control-group (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treatment_and_control_groups) of people who are not receiving it.
If you don't have a control-group to compare with you cannot tell if it works.   



* Cancer survival , conventional-treatment (dotted), Versus ''alternative''.png (43.1 kB . 741x561 - viewed 7402 times)
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/alternative-medicine-kills-cancer-patients/

BTW
How long has cannabis been available ?,  millennia ?. 
If it was a cure for cancer that would have become apparent and widely-known by now.
e.g. cannabis-users would be over-represented amongst the elderly.
Title: Re: My family's personal experience with cancer and cannabis oil
Post by: mydreamis on 07/01/2019 12:49:00
Who told you that it is not already known to many people and to huge group of people?! The problem is that it is illegal and hard to find. I told you i am about to meet those who already do this therapy and who obviously have their own friends who done it. Definitely not a small group of people, but i told you for the 1000 time that i do not intend to prove THC is the cure, or that your statements is false. I really dont care about it you must understand it. I am here to share our experience until now.
Title: Re: My family's personal experience with cancer and cannabis oil
Post by: RD on 07/01/2019 15:31:36
Who told you that it is not already known to many people and to huge group of people?!
Yet it's not known to doctors who, for humane or economic reasons, would wish to keep their cancer patients alive.
Quite the reverse: doctors, who have seen many cases of cancer,  say cannabis does not treat/cure cancer. (https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=75835.msg564551#msg564551)

... The problem is that it is illegal and hard to find ....
In some countries cannabis is legal, or even grows wild.
Do those countries have higher cancer-survival-time ?,
If not why not ?, if the cure for cancer is readily available to them.

... Definitely not a small group of people ...
Size does not matter if you have no control-group (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Experimental_control), see ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_picking

... i told you for the 1000 time ...
Currently you have made 40 posts in this forum (https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=48108), not "1000". Making numbers up to fit your belief is not scientific.
Title: Re: My family's personal experience with cancer and cannabis oil
Post by: mydreamis on 07/01/2019 16:50:34
Also scientific is not to take specific words of mine to create your own meaning, whilst my meaning is completely different! As i said before (this post starts to have a lot of repeat) i am here to tell our story and thats where i stop, not talk about science, even if this is a science forum i have nothing to offer in science. Sorry. I could do this in the hospital if i would. Thanks guys
--Also wikipedia is not "scientific" or anything to use to prove things brother, in wikipedia all of us have access to write almost anything we want. Stop using it (just my opinion)
--I did not make 40 posts in this forum. Your research is incomplete.
Title: Re: My family's personal experience with cancer and cannabis oil
Post by: RD on 07/01/2019 21:53:38
Also wikipedia is not "scientific" or anything to use to prove things brother,
in wikipedia all of us have access to write almost anything we want. Stop using it ...

If you disagree with the definitions of cherry picking (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_picking) , survivor bias (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivor_bias), & anecdotal evidence (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence) on Wikipedia,
feel free to look up what those phrases mean on any other website, ( I doubt they will differ from Wikipedia).

My sources for medical information in this thread are not from Wikipedia, they are from The Lancet (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanonc/article/PIIS1470-2045(04)01711-5/fulltext),
Cancer Research UK (https://scienceblog.cancerresearchuk.org/2012/07/25/cannabis-cannabinoids-and-cancer-the-evidence-so-far/), The Journal of the National Cancer Institute (https://academic.oup.com/jnci/article/110/1/121/4064136)  &  Professor David H. Gorski (https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/medical-marijuana-as-the-new-herbalism-part-2-cannabis-does-not-cure-cancer/).
 
-- I did not make 40 posts in this forum. Your research is incomplete.

My mistake: now I see your profile said you had 40 posts to go before becoming a full member,
 so at that point you'd only made 10 posts, not "1000" like you claimed.
If you need to quantify something, like efficacy of a treatment, accurate numbers vitally important.
Title: Re: My family's personal experience with cancer and cannabis oil
Post by: mydreamis on 07/01/2019 23:39:37
Yes i have to agree with you. Numbers are very important so next time you also must be more careful not making the same mistake. Also very important is to understand the meaning of a phrase and not collect some words as you want. I insist that you should not advice wiki. Its not legit. Right or wrong its not a good source to provide.
Title: Re: My family's personal experience with cancer and cannabis oil
Post by: Kalagart on 30/10/2019 14:47:23
Thank you for the sharing of such a tough experience. Dealing with cancer is undoubtedly hard. I remember my colleague who suffered from chronic pain. It was hard to see him. He tried to relieve pain with cbd oil too (from marijuanabreak if I'm not mistaken). It became easier for him but still it wasn't enough. Can't even imagine how his relatives felt.
Title: Re: My family's personal experience with cancer and cannabis oil
Post by: exothermic on 01/11/2019 14:39:52
The mechanism of action for THC's anticancer/antineoplastic properties is mediated through the pro-apoptotic ceramide/p8-regulated autophagy pathway. However in stark contrast to these documented anti-cancer benefits of THC, there is a flipside; The copresence of the heparin-binding protein midkine/neurite growth promoting factor-2 can actually [increase] malignancy and resistance to the antitumor action of THC through the inhibition of the thc-evoked autophagy-mediated cell-death pathway through the stimulation of anaplastic lymphoma kinase. THC can also upregulate the proliferation of cancer cells through increased expression of the epidermal growth factor receptor ligand amphiregulin, via stimulation of anaplastic lymphoma kinase.

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Title: Re: My family's personal experience with cancer and cannabis oil
Post by: SammyS7 on 28/03/2020 13:17:39
No, CBD doesn't cure cancer. It's nonsence.
For what it's worth cannabis derived drugs are used to help with cancer treatment- specifically in reducing the nausea and vomiting associated with cancer therapy.
The reduction in these side effects means that the anti-cancer drugs can be given at higher doses and that increases the chance of a successful treatment. More info by the link https://www.cfah.org/
Title: Re: My family's personal experience with cancer and cannabis oil
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