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Title: Expanded: The dust and gas that completely envelops black hole is SOLVED
Post by: jsaldea12 on 31/01/2019 01:39:07
Expanded: The dust and gas that completely envelops black hole is SOLVED
 
Why  is there  that intriguing dust and gas that completely envelopes the supposed black  thus makes  black hole  invisible? The simple explanation is like a boiling water that evaporates and release H2O into atmosphere. In like manner, black hole is super-heat object,   billions of centigrades that it boils and spews gas and dust that extends far over the event horizon, call it black hole wind,  thus, no matter what, black hole is  invisible to VISIBLE light ray. reiterating, Black hole is liken to  a boiling water which  evaporates and releases H2O to atmosphere.

The fact that core of black hole  is reached and detected by all other electro-magnetic spectrum, X-ray, radio ray,  ultra violet ray etc.  and feed back to astronomical telescopes, prove  such spectrum ESCAPE black hole!!! Why visible light cannot penetrate the core of black hole. it is one characteristic  of electromagnetic spectrum that light can only contact the SURFACE of matter, in this case the surface of glowing DUST AND GAS of  galaxy, but not the interior.

As observed by conglomerate EHT group  and all other astronomical groups, they have never seen visually the core of black hole, only the cover up  densed gas and dust that extend far beyond the EH. That this dust and gas blown up over the EH  although what is undeniably observed is that super dense object,  4 million times the mass of sun, called black hole, UNSEEN BY VISIBLE LIGHT BUT DETECTED ALL OTHER ELECTROAGNETIC SPECTRUM.

Now it is becoming clear what is that giant object, called black hole  as its cover up dust and gas are identified to be ITS OWN release of energy that completely envelop, itself, the black hole, but, it is invisible to light. Such core of galaxy, called black hole,   is just a super-giant body, no INVISIBLE  black hole on which light cannot escape,.  emanated/constructed on the same principle  like the  star, earth, that became  super-super body:  for  black hole originated from small matters.

.jose s. aldea
Physicist
Roxas City
January 31, 2019
Title: Re: Expanded: The dust and gas that completely envelops black hole is SOLVED
Post by: jsaldea12 on 31/01/2019 09:37:57
Please inform where you move this article. Regards. jsaldea 12
Title: Re: Expanded: The dust and gas that completely envelops black hole is SOLVED
Post by: Colin2B on 31/01/2019 17:26:43
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Title: Re: Expanded: The dust and gas that completely envelops black hole is SOLVED
Post by: mad aetherist on 31/01/2019 22:39:07
Expanded: The dust and gas that completely envelops black hole is SOLVED
 
Why  is there  that intriguing dust and gas that completely envelopes the supposed black  thus makes  black hole  invisible? The simple explanation is like a boiling water that evaporates and release H2O into atmosphere. In like manner, black hole is super-heat object,   billions of centigrades that it boils and spews gas and dust that extends far over the event horizon, call it black hole wind,  thus, no matter what, black hole is  invisible to VISIBLE light ray. reiterating, Black hole is liken to  a boiling water which  evaporates and releases H2O to atmosphere.

The fact that core of black hole  is reached and detected by all other electro-magnetic spectrum, X-ray, radio ray,  ultra violet ray etc.  and feed back to astronomical telescopes, prove  such spectrum ESCAPE black hole!!! Why visible light cannot penetrate the core of black hole. it is one characteristic  of electromagnetic spectrum that light can only contact the SURFACE of matter, in this case the surface of glowing DUST AND GAS of  galaxy, but not the interior.

As observed by conglomerate EHT group  and all other astronomical groups, they have never seen visually the core of black hole, only the cover up  densed gas and dust that extend far beyond the EH. That this dust and gas blown up over the EH  although what is undeniably observed is that super dense object,  4 million times the mass of sun, called black hole, UNSEEN BY VISIBLE LIGHT BUT DETECTED ALL OTHER ELECTROAGNETIC SPECTRUM.

Now it is becoming clear what is that giant object, called black hole  as its cover up dust and gas are identified to be ITS OWN release of energy that completely envelop, itself, the black hole, but, it is invisible to light. Such core of galaxy, called black hole,   is just a super-giant body, no INVISIBLE  black hole on which light cannot escape,.  emanated/constructed on the same principle  like the  star, earth, that became  super-super body:  for  black hole originated from small matters. .jose s. aldeaPhysicist oxas CityJanuary 31, 2019
So u are saying that a BH aint necessarily invisible, it is just shrouded by dust.  I dont see why u say that the dust is from the BH, there is no need, dust can come from anywhere, & naturally it can be denser near center.

I dont understand GR, but it seems to me that Einstein said that light is slowed near mass, & hencely near a BH the SOL is nearnuff zero kmps.  Therefore a BH need not be very massive.  The curve for mass/escape vel  will cross the curve for the mass/SOL, & the crossing point will indicate a needed mass of much much less than the silly GR BH critical mass.  But the resulting BH will nonetheless be invisible, even tho it wont be some sort of silly supermassive silly GR silly singularity. But a BH can indeed be supermassive, but it will never be a silly singularity.

Just to clarify, i dont believe in SR or GR, however i do agree with Einstein that light is slowed near mass, but the slowing is not due to some silly GR reason, it is due to photaeno-drag, which i have mentioned elsewhere.

Additionally a BH can be a bit less massive than the intersection point of thems two curves. If the BH has an atmosphere then that will reduce the SOL & hencely lower the curve for mass/SOL. This slowing is too due to photaeno-drag. Photaeno-drag is the cause of refraction. All slowing of light in or near mass is due to photaeno-drag.

This means that there should be lots of mini-BHs out there. If there aint then that means that the slowing of the SOL near mass is overstated. Or, it might mean that we cant see mini-BHs -- a fairly logical deduction -- which might help to explain Dark Matter.
Bearing in mind that the SOL includes gamma rays & Xrays & radio etc, which contradicts what u said.

The slowing of the SOL near mass does not apply to neutrinos (the SON).  The SON is also not affected by atmosphere.  Neutrinos must i reckon have a refractive index of  1.000 000 000 000 000 000 (or all atmospheres have that RI when the RI is measured using neutrinos)(u know what i mean). Edit: I have changed my mind, i think that neutrinos are slowed near mass & near photons & near other neutrinos.  In which case neutrinos are refracted.  But i believe that neutrinos are not affected by the em fields as such, i mean not affected by an electric field nor a magnetic field.  What happens is that photaenos are slowed by other photaenos (due to congestion), but are not affected in an electric or magnetic way (due to the tornadic action of the photaenos)(a photaeno is like a little tornado)(the spin gives the em field).

Dont say centigrade, the correct term is Celsius. Centigrade died in about 1948.  The only person who is sort of allowed to say centigrade is Richard Attenborough because he went to school in 1947. 

In any case why do u say that a BH needs to be very hot, i reckon that it can be cold. Mass is mass. Cold is denser, hencely BHs are more likely if cold, at least re mini-BHs.
Supermassive BHs are probly hot because they capture so much hot matter, praps very hot. But they wouldnt be able to emit matter (eg dust), if light cant escape then matter cant. Some BHs of just the right mass & size & with an atmosphere might emit a little bit of cherenkov radiation in which case they will be a Blue Hole.
Title: Re: Expanded: The dust and gas that completely envelops black hole is SOLVED
Post by: jsaldea12 on 01/02/2019 00:23:54
The ejected dual opposite jets of super-galaxy, , speeding almost speed of light, is super-heat, trillions Celsius. These  jets are ejected from the center of galaxy, implicating   super-heat extend  at its surface that it boils and spews dust and gas to extend farther outside  the EH. Light cannot penetrate these dense gas and dust but only the surface thereof, thus the interior is blackhole? because light cannot penetrate. But  all other electro-magnetic spectrum, of which light belongs,  can penetrate, X-ray, radio, etc. and can reflect  info  there is the giant object inside shrouded by dust and gas the making of its own self!! That there is that  reflected info from the core or black hole itself proves electro-magnetic spectrum, of which light is, escapes!!!.

Title: Re: Expanded: The dust and gas that completely envelops black hole is SOLVED
Post by: Halc on 01/02/2019 00:29:52
Dont say centigrade, the correct term is Celsius.
Well, when talking about temperatures in the millions, the correct term is Kelvin.  Celsius is only for temperatures meaningfully compared to the human habitat.
Title: Re: Expanded: The dust and gas that completely envelops black hole is SOLVED
Post by: mad aetherist on 01/02/2019 01:48:40
The ejected dual opposite jets of super-galaxy, , speeding almost speed of light, is super-heat, trillions Celsius. These  jets are ejected from the center of galaxy, implicating   super-heat extend  at its surface that it boils and spews dust and gas to extend farther outside  the EH. Light cannot penetrate these dense gas and dust but only the surface thereof, thus the interior is blackhole? because light cannot penetrate. But  all other electro-magnetic spectrum, of which light belongs,  can penetrate, X-ray, radio, etc. and can reflect  info  there is the giant object inside shrouded by dust and gas the making of its own self!! That there is that  reflected info from the core or black hole itself proves electro-magnetic spectrum, of which light is, escapes!!!.
I have never thort deeply re temperature. But i am thinking that temperature is only temperature when it is in the same frame as the observer.  A block of ice moving at  0.999 999 c is still a block of ice.

I doubt that an Einsteinian will allow talk of trillions of degrees.  An Einsteinian will i think say that 0.999 999 c can give rise to say 1 billion deg K or something like that.  I doubt trillions deg K.
An aetherist will say that a relative speed of up to 2c is possible, in which case that might give rise to praps 1.4 billion deg K or something.

If light cant penetrate a thick layer of dust then i wouldnt say that the non-visible matter deep inside is a BH. I think thats a bad definition of a BH.
Its a bit like say a very cold moon planet star, so cold that there is no visible light emitted -- u wouldnt call that a BH. Especially after i shone a powerful torch onto it to light it up so that u could see it.
Title: Re: Expanded: The dust and gas that completely envelops black hole is SOLVED
Post by: jsaldea12 on 01/02/2019 04:17:16
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Title: Re: Expanded: The dust and gas that completely envelops black hole is SOLVED
Post by: jsaldea12 on 01/02/2019 04:27:19
But that super black hole with jet of trillion temperature  is not a black hole. It is just a super-giant boiling body in space, just like the sun, only a million times and more hotter, ENERGY, than the fire burning sun, that is why that supposed black hole boils, and spews gas and dust.that envelop completely the core. What did Dr. Einstein said about energy = E = MC2.
Title: Re: Expanded: The dust and gas that completely envelops black hole is SOLVED
Post by: jsaldea12 on 01/02/2019 04:47:01
You said "The slowing of the SOL near mass does not apply to neutrinos (the SON).  The SON is also not affected by atmosphere.  Neutrinos must i reckon have a refractive index of  1.000 000 000 000 000 000 (or all atmospheres have that RI when the RI is measured using neutrinos)(u know what i mean). Yes, I know. But something you miss. neutrinos is still matter. All matter has positive and negative. The dual jets, at opposite side of A super galaxy, means it has positive and negaitve, it means that black hole is just a giant matter, in space with  inherent positive north pole and negative south pole, just like ALL structures on outer space, galaxies, stars, satellites, ALL matters have ositive and negative. Even spacetime, has positive and negative. Transmission of radio wave, TV, or computer thru space, it is unditinguishable positive and negative. Singularity? But upon reception of that transmission in radio, Tv, or computer, it separates positive and negative, otherwise no radio, TV, or computer..
Title: Re: Expanded: The dust and gas that completely envelops black hole is SOLVED
Post by: mad aetherist on 01/02/2019 05:02:51
A Quasar That Spews 18 Trillion-Degree Jets Into Space - Futurism
https://futurism.com/scientists-discover-quasar-that-emits-jets-reaching-18-trillion-deg...
Apr 16, 2016 - New observations show temperatures in the jet of quasar 3C 273 in a distant ... when multiple telescopes are linked together to get fine resolution of a distant object. ... Despite their name, black holes can actually light up the sky with huge ... Astronomers Have Discovered a Super-Fast Star System Th
Yes ok i see what u mean -- as u get nearer to a speed of c then the energy gets nearer to infinite in which case there is no limit on temp.
Title: Re: Expanded: The dust and gas that completely envelops black hole is SOLVED
Post by: mad aetherist on 01/02/2019 05:06:08
But that super black hole with jet of trillion temperature  is not a black hole. It is just a super-giant boiling body in space, just like the sun, only a million times and more hotter, ENERGY, than the fire burning sun, that is why that supposed black hole boils, and spews gas and dust.that envelop completely the core. What did Dr. Einstein said about energy = E = MC2.
Ok yes i see, but the size of the coronal atmosphere wouldnt be very large all the same.  And there must be a limit on size & mass after which it must be a BH.
Title: Re: Expanded: The dust and gas that completely envelops black hole is SOLVED
Post by: mad aetherist on 01/02/2019 05:20:27
You said "The slowing of the SOL near mass does not apply to neutrinos (the SON).  The SON is also not affected by atmosphere.  Neutrinos must i reckon have a refractive index of  1.000 000 000 000 000 000 (or all atmospheres have that RI when the RI is measured using neutrinos)(u know what i mean)."
Yes, I know. But something you miss. neutrinos is still matter. All matter has positive and negative. The dual jets, at opposite side of A super galaxy, means it has positive and negative, it means that black hole is just a giant matter, in space with  inherent positive north pole and negative south pole, just like ALL structures on outer space, galaxies, stars, satellites, ALL matters have positive and negative. Even spacetime, has positive and negative. Transmission of radio wave, TV, or computer thru space, it is indistinguishable positive and negative. Singularity? But upon reception of that transmission in radio, Tv, or computer, it separates positive and negative, otherwise no radio, TV, or computer..
Yes i think that all elementary particles have anti particles. These are mirror image.
Neutrinos if they exist are doubled photons, hencely neutrinos have twice the mass of a photon. And yes i think that u can have a photon & an anti-photon & a neutrino & an anti-neutrino, but i aint sure whether they annihilate if they meet.
Re neutrinos being slowed near mass, i have changed my mind, i think that neutrinos are slowed near mass & near photons & near other neutrinos.  In which case neutrinos are refracted.  But i believe that neutrinos are not affected by the em fields as such, i mean not affected by an electric field nor a magnetic field.  What happens is that photaenos are slowed by other photaenos (due to congestion), but are not affected in an electric or magnetic way (due to the tornadic action of the photaenos)(a photaeno is like a little tornado)(the spin gives the em field).
I have edited my earlier reply #3.
Title: Re: Expanded: The dust and gas that completely envelops black hole is SOLVED
Post by: jsaldea12 on 01/02/2019 11:13:14
I think we are getting far from the subject, re dust and gas that envelop the core of galaxy, regards
Title: Re: Expanded: The dust and gas that completely envelops black hole is SOLVED
Post by: jsaldea12 on 03/02/2019 08:27:21
THIS TOPIC, RE- "EXPANDED: THE DUST AND GAS THAT COMPLETELY ENVELOP BLACK HOLE IS SOLVED" IS MOVED TO NEW THEORIES, NEW THEORIES.   https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=76036.0
Title: Re: Expanded: The dust and gas that completely envelops black hole is SOLVED
Post by: jsaldea12 on 06/02/2019 12:36:19
Important further clarification/evidence: Where does the burning gas and dust that completely engulf come from? Dust and gas dont burn by tthemselve unless there is behind the real source, the burning core, supposedly the hidden
 black hole of galaxy.. Thus,, the burning gas and dust that cloths and brightens galaxies, carries with it into outer space  the main source of light, the core, that stretches far into space and reaches earth, say, 13 billion light years! This is one of the strongest proof how and why light escapes from supposed black hole. jsaldea 2.4.19