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Title: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 21/03/2019 11:01:58
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Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 24/03/2019 13:07:42
Learn this Mr Chemist , it is the absolute model that does not have any bs involved .  xyzt is a shortfall model , I've completed it .

Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Bored chemist on 24/03/2019 13:30:05
I'm glad it's complete.
Now all you need to do is find someone who thinks it means anything.


Go on...
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 24/03/2019 13:34:36
I'm glad it's complete.
Now all you need to do is find someone who thinks it means anything.


Go on...

Well if you think it doesn't mean anything then you don't know physics ,  The model is based on all present information and theory  and is accrediting to several scientists from our past . 

You'd have to disagree with physics to disagree with the model .  It works very well , it covers the big bang singularity , space-time, BH's , atoms, gases , light , energy ., gravity , time, motion , fields .

It is the model of everything Mr Chemist and it works .
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Bored chemist on 24/03/2019 13:44:12
find someone who thinks it means anything
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 25/03/2019 16:11:27
find someone who thinks it means anything

Now we all know science will never allow anything to mean anything other than their made up stuff.
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Bored chemist on 25/03/2019 18:49:50
find someone who thinks it means anything

Now we all know science will never allow anything to mean anything other than their made up stuff.
If that was true (spoiler alert; it's not) then there wouldn't be any point posting on a science web page.
Yet you do.
So you know it's not true.
So why post stuff you know is wrong?
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 25/03/2019 18:57:46
find someone who thinks it means anything

Now we all know science will never allow anything to mean anything other than their made up stuff.
If that was true (spoiler alert; it's not) then there wouldn't be any point posting on a science web page.
Yet you do.
So you know it's not true.
So why post stuff you know is wrong?
Because it's not wrong maybe ?

I know I'm correct my version is far superior to your present version , my version accredits my entire theory of everything to several scientists of our past , so how can it be wrong when it is all their work put into a tidy little parcel that explains everything ?

If only you could see their work like I see it ...It very good you should know , they were pretty good .

added- You read about what they thought , I think about what they thought , I think like them , all of them .

Q / 0ⁿ = V  oh my  ::)

F=<E = G  oh my  :P

∑F(G) = >E→←<E  & <E→←>E

And the singularity stress is  V ⊕ <E

Added- When you're ready for quantum buoyancy , let me know :D


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Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Bored chemist on 25/03/2019 19:19:56
I will post this bit again in the hope that you read it this time.


Now we all know science will never allow anything to mean anything other than their made up stuff.
If that was true (spoiler alert; it's not) then there wouldn't be any point posting on a science web page.
Yet you do.
So you know it's not true.
So why post stuff you know is wrong?
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 25/03/2019 19:37:13
my version accredits my entire theory of everything to several scientists of our past , so how can it be wrong when it is all their work put into a tidy little parcel that explains everything ?
Hmm, I'll repeat this again as obviously you're not reading very well this evening ,

my version accredits my entire theory of everything to several scientists of our past , so how can it be wrong when it is all their work put into a tidy little parcel that explains everything ?
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Bored chemist on 26/03/2019 10:05:27
I will post this bit again in the hope that you read it this time.


Now we all know science will never allow anything to mean anything other than their made up stuff.
If that was true (spoiler alert; it's not) then there wouldn't be any point posting on a science web page.
Yet you do.
So you know it's not true.
So why post stuff you know is wrong?

Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 26/03/2019 15:10:51
I will post this bit again in the hope that you read it this time.


Now we all know science will never allow anything to mean anything other than their made up stuff.
If that was true (spoiler alert; it's not) then there wouldn't be any point posting on a science web page.
Yet you do.
So you know it's not true.
So why post stuff you know is wrong?


Why do you keep saying stuff that is correct is wrong ? Are you really a troll Mr Chemist as you don't seem actually seem to discuss science at all ?

Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Bored chemist on 26/03/2019 18:17:51
Why do you keep saying stuff that is correct is wrong ?
I don't

Are you really a troll Mr Chemist as you don't seem actually seem to discuss science at all ?
It is essentially impossible to discuss science with someone who can't follow basic logic so...


I will post this bit again in the hope that you read it this time.


Now we all know science will never allow anything to mean anything other than their made up stuff.
If that was true (spoiler alert; it's not) then there wouldn't be any point posting on a science web page.
Yet you do.
So you know it's not true.
So why post stuff you know is wrong?



Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 26/03/2019 19:52:40
It is essentially impossible to discuss science with someone who can't follow basic logic so...
You are correct it is impossible to discuss with you . I've never really noticed before but your some what a troll with your spamming posts of repeat . 
You even got me doing it in reply to your antics . 

I don't need you to tell me theory is correct because I know it is correct .  xyzt is practically a scalar model without the integer of energy and the replacement of time with entropy .

I guarantee you Mr C that if  I froze myself and returned in 20 years , I'd have aged 20 years less than you but we'd have experienced the exact same amount of time .

You know very little about time , space and the universe , I don't know why I waste my time in replying to you.

Perhaps you need a holiday , why not get on a flight and go somewhere hot , I heard Tucson Arizona is quite hot . 

 
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 27/03/2019 12:54:37
It won't be long now , I have another science forum helping me with my maths and I already have the main equation I need .

1 /x = y  where x is greater than 1 and y is less than 1


This equation is everything .
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Bored chemist on 27/03/2019 18:34:18
I will post this bit again in the hope that you read it this time.


Now we all know science will never allow anything to mean anything other than their made up stuff.
If that was true (spoiler alert; it's not) then there wouldn't be any point posting on a science web page.
Yet you do.
So you know it's not true.
So why post stuff you know is wrong?


Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 28/03/2019 13:18:45
I will post this bit again in the hope that you read it this time.


Now we all know science will never allow anything to mean anything other than their made up stuff.
If that was true (spoiler alert; it's not) then there wouldn't be any point posting on a science web page.
Yet you do.
So you know it's not true.
So why post stuff you know is wrong?



You post stuff that is wrong all the time when you defend dogma such as time dilation . You really should study maths as well

2f5dbb5b374cfd2a6602faea2ca4ef59.gif=4/3 π r / t

My simple 5d model maths for example .

Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Bored chemist on 28/03/2019 20:06:49
Do you actually understand what the problem is with what you wrote here?

I will post this bit again in the hope that you read it this time.


Now we all know science will never allow anything to mean anything other than their made up stuff.
If that was true (spoiler alert; it's not) then there wouldn't be any point posting on a science web page.
Yet you do.
So you know it's not true.
So why post stuff you know is wrong?



Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 28/03/2019 21:00:49
Do you actually understand what the problem is with what you wrote here?


Yes , you are clueless .


Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Bored chemist on 28/03/2019 21:50:27
Do you remember writing this?
Now we all know science will never allow anything to mean anything other than their made up stuff.


And do you still think it is true?
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 28/03/2019 21:56:54
Do you remember writing this?
Now we all know science will never allow anything to mean anything other than their made up stuff.


And do you still think it is true?
Well I've no evidence to the contrary such as a well done on creating a new theory , model and maths .

Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Bored chemist on 28/03/2019 22:16:51
Do you remember writing this?
Now we all know science will never allow anything to mean anything other than their made up stuff.


And do you still think it is true?
Well I've no evidence to the contrary such as a well done on creating a new theory , model and maths .


So, you
think that " science will never allow anything to mean anything other than their made up stuff."?
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 29/03/2019 11:58:55
Do you remember writing this?
Now we all know science will never allow anything to mean anything other than their made up stuff.


And do you still think it is true?
Well I've no evidence to the contrary such as a well done on creating a new theory , model and maths .


So, you
think that " science will never allow anything to mean anything other than their made up stuff."?

Those Americans think we are all stupid ...I'm bringing science back home .
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 29/03/2019 13:11:27
Δ0ⁿ = ΔE

3ce64146eb73fd66fdfbb75bc182e2c2.gif = ρ0

a246befb3df106988aa87f64a1e18520.gif = p0

99149f6d98761033c5a753b8fecc83a2.gif = p1

p1 = u

u3ce64146eb73fd66fdfbb75bc182e2c2.gif + a246befb3df106988aa87f64a1e18520.gif = uE

bbf92a1e0a4f46a229a668e9b47bd5f2.gif = 4/3 π r / t

Where ;

u=internal energy

p=density

a=quantum charge 1

b=quantum charge 2

V = volume

E=energy

t=time

0ⁿ = n-dimensional spatial void

 ;) I think it's a beautiful , eloquent theory that is complete . Don't you ?

Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 31/03/2019 16:10:26
Δt =Δ bbf92a1e0a4f46a229a668e9b47bd5f2.gif

Start with this , it works with the caesium and is in accordance with the physics .

A change in time is equal to a change in internal energy (u) times energy cubed E divided by volume V.
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 31/03/2019 16:16:17
Not impressed ?

ΔT = Δbbf92a1e0a4f46a229a668e9b47bd5f2.gif

ΔkE = Δbbf92a1e0a4f46a229a668e9b47bd5f2.gif


ΔΕbbf92a1e0a4f46a229a668e9b47bd5f2.gif


Want more ?  I'm sure you know T is temperature and E bold is electrical field  etc .
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Bored chemist on 31/03/2019 16:20:35
A change in time is equal to a change in internal energy (u) times energy cubed E divided by volume V.
Under what circumstances?

Essentially: what are you on about?
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Bored chemist on 31/03/2019 16:21:41
So, you  think that " science will never allow anything to mean anything other than their made up stuff."?
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 31/03/2019 16:22:51
A change in time is equal to a change in internal energy (u) times energy cubed E divided by volume V.
Under what circumstances?

Essentially: what are you on about?
Time dilation ,

Δv = Δbbf92a1e0a4f46a229a668e9b47bd5f2.gif=Δf  where v is velocity and f is frequency .
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 31/03/2019 16:27:58
So, you  think that " science will never allow anything to mean anything other than their made up stuff."?

I don't know , I keep trying dude , I know I'm right and I know science is mostly right , there is only a couple of things that are ''made up '' meaning ostensible .

Time doesn't slow down but the aging process can speed up or slow down . 

Consider a snowman

ΔH = Δbbf92a1e0a4f46a229a668e9b47bd5f2.gif=Δt'

Where H is enthalpy
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 31/03/2019 16:40:38
Perhaps you need more proof of the equation ?

Δu=Δbbf92a1e0a4f46a229a668e9b47bd5f2.gif

ΔV=Δbbf92a1e0a4f46a229a668e9b47bd5f2.gif

Δρ=Δbbf92a1e0a4f46a229a668e9b47bd5f2.gif   where p is density

Δm=Δbbf92a1e0a4f46a229a668e9b47bd5f2.gif

ΔG=Δbbf92a1e0a4f46a229a668e9b47bd5f2.gif

Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 31/03/2019 17:06:57
As you like drawings

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Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Bored chemist on 31/03/2019 17:09:12
I don't know
Well, you should.
If you post stuff and then eventually have to admit you don't know what it means then you are wasting everyone's time.
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Bored chemist on 31/03/2019 17:10:37
I know I'm right
I doubt that you are.
And, until you actually tell us what you think, you are just scribbling.
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Kryptid on 31/03/2019 17:44:29
I see a lot of equations. Now how about testing them? I would like to see some calculations done with those equations which give answers that agree with existing data.
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 31/03/2019 17:52:25
I see a lot of equations. Now how about testing them? I would like to see some calculations done with those equations which give answers that agree with existing data.
Well, the intricate measurements of the equations is for science to do , my generalisation equation of almost everything is just that , a simplified general equation formula . I'm a theoretical scientist not a full on mathematician but any mathematician should agree the formula works for almost everything . 

It's for teaching purposes to people who don't understand physics and math , a simplified version that even young persons will understand . Explaining most of universal process with simplicity and one equation .


Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Kryptid on 31/03/2019 18:03:30
So why not use measurements that have already been made?
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 31/03/2019 18:07:49
So why not use measurements that have already been made?
The measurement system you have already established does not change , your maths and measures are the sets of the simplified group math I've presented that explains almost every process .

Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Kryptid on 31/03/2019 18:09:09
Can it actually be used to calculate anything?
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 31/03/2019 18:11:09
Can it actually be used to calculate anything?

It's used to calculate almost everything ,  you just have to put in the values . 
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Kryptid on 31/03/2019 18:12:57
It's used to calculate almost everything ,  you just have to put in the values . 

So what values would I need to supply in order for the equation to show me the amount of energy released when hydrogen burns in oxygen?
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 31/03/2019 18:20:26
It's used to calculate almost everything ,  you just have to put in the values . 

So what values would I need to supply in order for the equation to show me the amount of energy released when hydrogen burns in oxygen?
Well you'd have to be really good at math to work that out  because that would be 43b098e3236668ac1d715668f0473e66.gif  the value of u would be the value of hydrogens u . 

What you are asking is for the deeper more complex side of the simplified equation , which is meant for higher education .

I don't know the values personally , that is why I came up with the equation , I don't need to know the intricates for the simplified version to understand the process  and physics of almost everything by using the equation .



Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Kryptid on 31/03/2019 18:22:43
because that would be   the value of u would be the value of hydrogens u . 

What does the u mean?
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 31/03/2019 18:24:32
because that would be   the value of u would be the value of hydrogens u . 

What does the u mean?
Internal energy , 
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Kryptid on 31/03/2019 18:26:42
Internal energy , 

I presume that V means volume and t means temperature. Are all of these in standard metric units? Where do the values for oxygen come in?
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 31/03/2019 18:31:20
Internal energy ,

I presume that V means volume and t means temperature. Are all of these in standard metric units? Where do the values for oxygen come in?
Yes it uses all standard metrics , I'm not sure on oxygen , it's something to do with kE between the oxygen and hygrogen causing friction and heat I think .  But that is more deep discussion than my simplified process equation .

added- What I do know about oxygen

Δv = Δ bbf92a1e0a4f46a229a668e9b47bd5f2.gif and ΔV=Δ bbf92a1e0a4f46a229a668e9b47bd5f2.gif e.t.c
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Kryptid on 31/03/2019 18:32:50
But that is more deep discussion than my simplified process equation .

It sounds like you are saying that your simplified equation can't actually be used for this calculation.

Can you give a specific example of something that can be calculated with it?
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 31/03/2019 18:36:40
But that is more deep discussion than my simplified process equation .

It sounds like you are saying that your simplified equation can't actually be used for this calculation.

Can you give a specific example of something that can be calculated with it?
It's a teaching aid that gives  a simplified understanding of almost every process .  Developed for people who can't do the calculations or understand the calculations you already have .

If you can put the values in it calculates almost everything , but you don't need to do that to understand its simplicity of almost everything .

See oxygen add on in the prior post .

Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Bored chemist on 31/03/2019 19:40:48
because that would be   the value of u would be the value of hydrogens u . 

What does the u mean?
Internal energy , 
Do you mean this?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_energy
Or do you mean something made up?
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 31/03/2019 19:51:58
because that would be   the value of u would be the value of hydrogens u . 

What does the u mean?
Internal energy , 
Do you mean this?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_energy
Or do you mean something made up?

Of course I mean that , my theory conforms to present physics .
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Bored chemist on 31/03/2019 20:47:44
So, you are looking for the internal energy for oxygen?
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 31/03/2019 21:02:24
So, you are looking for the internal energy for oxygen?
Not specifically , somebody else mentioned oxygen . 
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Bored chemist on 31/03/2019 21:13:07
I meant, as part of your demonstration that you are not talking nonsense, by calculating the heat of combustion of hydrogen, you would need to know  the internal energy of oxygen.


I'm guessing you need the same  parameter for hydrogen.
Anything else?
You aren't going to suddenly decide that you need the rate of change of density of jupiter's 23rd biggest satellite or something like that?
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 31/03/2019 21:41:13
I meant, as part of your demonstration that you are not talking nonsense, by calculating the heat of combustion of hydrogen, you would need to know  the internal energy of oxygen.


I'm guessing you need the same  parameter for hydrogen.
Anything else?
You aren't going to suddenly decide that you need the rate of change of density of jupiter's 23rd biggest satellite or something like that?
No not at all lol , what ever that means :D

My equation is just a simplified equation that explains almost everything . 

I mean ask a question , how big is an atom ?

V=bbf92a1e0a4f46a229a668e9b47bd5f2.gif=4/3 π r / t

What's exothermic process ?

x=bbf92a1e0a4f46a229a668e9b47bd5f2.gif

Why do gases expand when heated ?

>V = bbf92a1e0a4f46a229a668e9b47bd5f2.gif

It has so many uses , quite magical .  ::)



Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Bored chemist on 31/03/2019 21:52:50
OK, here's a question somebody already asked.
How much heat is released by the  combustion of hydrogen?

What inputs do you need?
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 31/03/2019 22:07:45
OK, here's a question somebody already asked.
How much heat is released by the  combustion of hydrogen?

What inputs do you need?
Are you talking about the energy released when an hydrogen atom is split or the heat energy that is generated by kinetics between the friction of particles ?

Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Kryptid on 31/03/2019 22:55:21
I mean ask a question , how big is an atom ?

That's another example of something that we can check against known data. Tell me what each one of those variables in the equation means so that I can do the calculation.

Are you talking about the energy released when an hydrogen atom is split or the heat energy that is generated by kinetics between the friction of particles ?

Neither. Combustion involves the breaking of the bonds in the H2 and O2 molecules and the formation of bonds in H2O.
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 31/03/2019 23:04:40
I mean ask a question , how big is an atom ?

That's another example of something that we can check against known data. Tell me what each one of those variables in the equation means so that I can do the calculation.

Are you talking about the energy released when an hydrogen atom is split or the heat energy that is generated by kinetics between the friction of particles ?

Neither. Combustion involves the breaking of the bonds in the H2 and O2 molecules and the formation of bonds in H2O.

I think (u) may be the mass in your question and V would be the occupied volume of space , like I said it is a simplified equation and the intricate details would need adding .

Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Kryptid on 31/03/2019 23:08:12
I think (u) may be the mass in your question and V would be the occupied volume of space

Wait a minute... in order to find out the size of an atom, you have to input the volume of an atom into the equation? That's circular reasoning, as the volume of an atom is already a measure of its size...
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: The Spoon on 31/03/2019 23:08:36
I meant, as part of your demonstration that you are not talking nonsense, by calculating the heat of combustion of hydrogen, you would need to know  the internal energy of oxygen.


I'm guessing you need the same  parameter for hydrogen.
Anything else?
You aren't going to suddenly decide that you need the rate of change of density of jupiter's 23rd biggest satellite or something like that?
No not at all lol , what ever that means :D

My equation is just a simplified equation that explains almost everything . 

I mean ask a question , how big is an atom ?

V=bbf92a1e0a4f46a229a668e9b47bd5f2.gif=4/3 π r / t

What's exothermic process ?

x=bbf92a1e0a4f46a229a668e9b47bd5f2.gif

Why do gases expand when heated ?

>V = bbf92a1e0a4f46a229a668e9b47bd5f2.gif

It has so many uses , quite magical .  ::)




Ok. If they as you claim, explain these things, give a simple explanation of how they do so.
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 31/03/2019 23:10:29
I think (u) may be the mass in your question and V would be the occupied volume of space

Wait a minute... in order to find out the size of an atom, you have to input the volume of an atom into the equation? That's circular reasoning, as the volume of an atom is already a measure of its size...
And the size is proportional to bbf92a1e0a4f46a229a668e9b47bd5f2.gif  volume is a volume of space .
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Kryptid on 31/03/2019 23:12:58
And the size is proportional to   volume is a volume of space .

Again, are you saying that you already have to know what the volume of an atom is in order to use this equation?
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 31/03/2019 23:14:15
I meant, as part of your demonstration that you are not talking nonsense, by calculating the heat of combustion of hydrogen, you would need to know  the internal energy of oxygen.


I'm guessing you need the same  parameter for hydrogen.
Anything else?
You aren't going to suddenly decide that you need the rate of change of density of jupiter's 23rd biggest satellite or something like that?
No not at all lol , what ever that means :D

My equation is just a simplified equation that explains almost everything . 

I mean ask a question , how big is an atom ?

V=bbf92a1e0a4f46a229a668e9b47bd5f2.gif=4/3 π r / t

What's exothermic process ?

x=bbf92a1e0a4f46a229a668e9b47bd5f2.gif

Why do gases expand when heated ?

>V = bbf92a1e0a4f46a229a668e9b47bd5f2.gif

It has so many uses , quite magical .  ::)




Ok. If they as you claim, explain these things, give a simple explanation of how they do so.

Ok, consider a metal block with dimensions xyz ,

bbf92a1e0a4f46a229a668e9b47bd5f2.gif 

If you increase the magnitude of E you increase the volume ,the block expands .



Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: The Spoon on 31/03/2019 23:14:30
It's used to calculate almost everything ,  you just have to put in the values . 

So what values would I need to supply in order for the equation to show me the amount of energy released when hydrogen burns in oxygen?
Well you'd have to be really good at math to work that out  because that would be 43b098e3236668ac1d715668f0473e66.gif  the value of u would be the value of hydrogens u . 

What you are asking is for the deeper more complex side of the simplified equation , which is meant for higher education .

I don't know the values personally , that is why I came up with the equation , I don't need to know the intricates for the simplified version to understand the process  and physics of almost everything by using the equation .




So essentially what you are saying is, you claim to have created an 'equation' but you don't know what any of the parameters or operators stand for. That is not an equation, it is a random collection of symbols that are meaningless. You really don't understand what equations are do you? You think that all you need to do is throw some impressive looking symbols in will do. Sloppy, like all of your thinking. But then, you are just pratting about aren't you pigeon?
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 31/03/2019 23:22:24
And the size is proportional to   volume is a volume of space .

Again, are you saying that you already have to know what the volume of an atom is in order to use this equation?
No, concerning atoms , it tells you why the volume of atom is the volume of an atom because the internal energy is divided by the volume of space stretching the atom giving it form and dimensions , exothermic reaction and transitional state of bonded energies .

V = bbf92a1e0a4f46a229a668e9b47bd5f2.gif = 4/3 π r/t  see how that works now ?
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 31/03/2019 23:42:13
So essentially what you are saying is, you claim to have created an 'equation' but you don't know what any of the parameters or operators stand for. That is not an equation, it is a random collection of symbols that are meaningless. You really don't understand what equations are do you? You think that all you need to do is throw some impressive looking symbols in will do. Sloppy, like all of your thinking. But then, you are just pratting about aren't you pigeon?
I've already explained it is a simplified generalised equation that explains almost everything in one maths answer . It is not meant to have intricate details , it is meant as a teaching aid of physics process and generalised math for that process .

It can be used to answer a variation of questions . 

What changes in the caesium when the frequency changes ?

Δf = Δv =Δ bbf92a1e0a4f46a229a668e9b47bd5f2.gif

Added- why does a snowman melt ?

Δ bbf92a1e0a4f46a229a668e9b47bd5f2.gif


Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Kryptid on 01/04/2019 01:07:39
No, concerning atoms , it tells you why the volume of atom is the volume of an atom

So then you can't use it to calculate the size of an atom?

I'm trying to give you a fair opportunity to prove that your equation works and can give the right answers. So why don't you give us an example of something that can indeed be accurately calculated with the equation? I'll even help you do the math.
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: The Spoon on 01/04/2019 09:56:31
I meant, as part of your demonstration that you are not talking nonsense, by calculating the heat of combustion of hydrogen, you would need to know  the internal energy of oxygen.


I'm guessing you need the same  parameter for hydrogen.
Anything else?
You aren't going to suddenly decide that you need the rate of change of density of jupiter's 23rd biggest satellite or something like that?
No not at all lol , what ever that means :D

My equation is just a simplified equation that explains almost everything . 

I mean ask a question , how big is an atom ?

V=bbf92a1e0a4f46a229a668e9b47bd5f2.gif=4/3 π r / t

What's exothermic process ?

x=bbf92a1e0a4f46a229a668e9b47bd5f2.gif

Why do gases expand when heated ?

>V = bbf92a1e0a4f46a229a668e9b47bd5f2.gif

It has so many uses , quite magical .  ::)




Ok. If they as you claim, explain these things, give a simple explanation of how they do so.

Ok, consider a metal block with dimensions xyz ,

bbf92a1e0a4f46a229a668e9b47bd5f2.gif 

If you increase the magnitude of E you increase the volume ,the block expands .




Deliberately avoiding the question please explain what each symbol represents and how it is relevant to the specific thing you claim it calculates.

Also, explain why the following statement is true:

'If you increase the magnitude of E you increase the volume ,the block expands'

Explain using words not what you claim to be maths so that the concept can be assessed.
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 01/04/2019 15:38:20
No, concerning atoms , it tells you why the volume of atom is the volume of an atom

So then you can't use it to calculate the size of an atom?

I'm trying to give you a fair opportunity to prove that your equation works and can give the right answers. So why don't you give us an example of something that can indeed be accurately calculated with the equation? I'll even help you do the math.
A bit shocked , thanks for the offer of help , much appreciated .

How about we try the density of an electrical field ?

ρE = bbf92a1e0a4f46a229a668e9b47bd5f2.gif = ρ0

Or the change of time ?

Δt =  Δbbf92a1e0a4f46a229a668e9b47bd5f2.gif 

Or the size of a singularity ?

V =  bbf92a1e0a4f46a229a668e9b47bd5f2.gif

mass?

m =  bbf92a1e0a4f46a229a668e9b47bd5f2.gif

I only use the number 1 for my values , for example an atoms density = 1 , E = 1 , volume = 1 , u = 1.




Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 01/04/2019 15:52:35
Deliberately avoiding the question please explain what each symbol represents and how it is relevant to the specific thing you claim it calculates. Also, explain why the following statement is true:'If you increase the magnitude of E you increase the volume ,the block expands'Explain using words not what you claim to be maths so that the concept can be assessed.

u is internal energy  and any volume of u  absorbs energy and reradiates this energy . The absorbing of energy expressed *E because it's isotropic in nature , so if you have a ''cold'' metal block the ''hot'' is attracted to that block isotropic .  The block will then try to retain an equilibrium and divide this gained energy by the surrounding volume of the block .  Additionally the block itself expands because the whole of the block  tries to divide itself by the surrounding space but the blocks binary bond helps to retain form by pulling back .
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Bored chemist on 01/04/2019 18:45:57
OK, here's a question somebody already asked.
How much heat is released by the  combustion of hydrogen?

What inputs do you need?
Are you talking about the energy released when an hydrogen atom is split or the heat energy that is generated by kinetics between the friction of particles ?


If I take, for example, 1 litre of hydrogen and burn it in a blowtorch and have the heat and fumes from that blowtorch heat some water how much heat is transferred to the water (assuming none is wasted).

Some set up like the "simple calorimeter" pictured on this page.
http://staff.um.edu.mt/ratk1/Energetics.htm
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 01/04/2019 20:25:35
OK, here's a question somebody already asked.
How much heat is released by the  combustion of hydrogen?

What inputs do you need?
Are you talking about the energy released when an hydrogen atom is split or the heat energy that is generated by kinetics between the friction of particles ?


If I take, for example, 1 litre of hydrogen and burn it in a blowtorch and have the heat and fumes from that blowtorch heat some water how much heat is transferred to the water (assuming none is wasted).

Some set up like the "simple calorimeter" pictured on this page.
http://staff.um.edu.mt/ratk1/Energetics.htm
Well

ΔT=Δbbf92a1e0a4f46a229a668e9b47bd5f2.gif  of the water

What is your equation for this and I'll see if my equation works for this . 

Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Bored chemist on 01/04/2019 21:29:59
I don't have "an equation".
But I have what you asked for- a value for u for hydrogen.
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Kryptid on 01/04/2019 21:39:02
I only use the number 1 for my values , for example an atoms density = 1 , E = 1 , volume = 1 , u = 1.

I guess that means you weren't telling the truth when you said that you were using metric units, because an atom's density is not 1 kilogram per cubic meter, its energy is not 1 joule, etc.
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 02/04/2019 02:03:47
I only use the number 1 for my values , for example an atoms density = 1 , E = 1 , volume = 1 , u = 1.

I guess that means you weren't telling the truth when you said that you were using metric units, because an atom's density is not 1 kilogram per cubic meter, its energy is not 1 joule, etc.
I said I use 1, you'd use the standard measurements . Like I said it's a generalised equation .

Probably the most useful useless equation ever devised .
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 02/04/2019 02:09:44
I don't have "an equation".
But I have what you asked for- a value for u for hydrogen.
Ok, could you provide that value and please explain how the value was derived ?
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Kryptid on 02/04/2019 05:36:23
Ok, could you provide that value and please explain how the value was derived ?

I think it's better if we wait and tell you after you use your equation to calculate the energy. That way we can be more sure that you were using your equation and only your equation to get the answer instead of attempting to get the answer by working backwards.
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: jeffreyH on 02/04/2019 06:41:58
I think we should hear about the dimensional analysis you used in deriving your equation. And if you spout any nonsense I might be tempted to ban you permanently. How's that?
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Bored chemist on 02/04/2019 07:32:06
I don't have "an equation".
But I have what you asked for- a value for u for hydrogen.
Ok, could you provide that value and please explain how the value was derived ?
As you already said, u is the internal energy calculated as given here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_energy

so, it's not as if I can move the goalposts.
Now please tell me what you intend to do with the value I give, in order to calculate the heat of combustion.
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 02/04/2019 08:35:42
I don't have "an equation".
But I have what you asked for- a value for u for hydrogen.
Ok, could you provide that value and please explain how the value was derived ?
As you already said, u is the internal energy calculated as given here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_energy

so, it's not as if I can move the goalposts.
Now please tell me what you intend to do with the value I give, in order to calculate the heat of combustion.

No idea , I don't  use that , you'd use that because you know what it means , I use my own version which is

u= 99149f6d98761033c5a753b8fecc83a2.gif = 1E  = V

u of course , the natural state is really cold , u only becomes hot when *E  and we get some kinetics between atoms to create heat energy .

Frozen water demonstrates this .

Hydrogen doesn't combust as such , the hydrogen electron shells ''surface''  becomes super heated and looks like its fire .

u*E = ΔkE = ΔT

So

kE = E/V

There may be some new tech , I don't want to say too much though because of giving it away , you understand the importance of more. tech right ?

Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 02/04/2019 08:46:43
I think we should hear about the dimensional analysis you used in deriving your equation. And if you spout any nonsense I might be tempted to ban you permanently. How's that?

Well!  I'm used to getting banned for no reason so you'd just be on my long list of useless moderation on forums . 

But in answer to your questions my analysis as been about a decade long making an analysis of science in general to finally get to this equation .

I finally got there by using E=mc  and  The enthalpy of a thermodynamic system is defined as[13][14]
H = U + p V , {\displaystyle H=U+pV,}

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enthalpy

From this I converted my long running N-field maths to something a bit more in your own language . I have presented my new equation several times in the past before but not using the same context so you could never understand what I was trying to say .

Is that enough spouting for you ?

My breakdown

u=be0f922ebf67cf2e0b559c6cfacd1dfb.gif

E=334f5569d5f9c569a68f19a4cba84056.gif

E=m(pE)=70e7194ebbea8151fc16fb5c3110e04f.gif

P.s Everything is time

added- Oh yea , almost forgot , remember our chat before

Kmax = c0efbb5b854cd77c8e02a069d69d41b9.gif

ΔS = Δbbf92a1e0a4f46a229a668e9b47bd5f2.gif = ΔkE/t










Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 02/04/2019 09:24:47
Einstein took Minowski space-time xyzt and all he did was consider the binary interwoven field that occupied that space . From this he deduced space-time the interwoven 4d model , space and time as a single manifold , however he did not consider that time itself is everything and although indistinguishable from Minowski space , time is everything that can change , independent from Minowski space .

Then Einstein also took Newtons F=ma2  and instead of an acceleration used a constant speed , it's not the natural energy equation , if it energy released by force equation .

What Einstein meant by time , was the internal energy of a system u .

Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: The Spoon on 02/04/2019 09:26:17
Deliberately avoiding the question please explain what each symbol represents and how it is relevant to the specific thing you claim it calculates. Also, explain why the following statement is true:'If you increase the magnitude of E you increase the volume ,the block expands'Explain using words not what you claim to be maths so that the concept can be assessed.

u is internal energy  and any volume of u  absorbs energy and reradiates this energy . The absorbing of energy expressed *E because it's isotropic in nature , so if you have a ''cold'' metal block the ''hot'' is attracted to that block isotropic .  The block will then try to retain an equilibrium and divide this gained energy by the surrounding volume of the block .  Additionally the block itself expands because the whole of the block  tries to divide itself by the surrounding space but the blocks binary bond helps to retain form by pulling back .

What do you think you mean by binary bond? Tell us how you derived this 'equation'. No flannel, none of your 'n-field' nonsense.
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 02/04/2019 09:35:32
Deliberately avoiding the question please explain what each symbol represents and how it is relevant to the specific thing you claim it calculates. Also, explain why the following statement is true:'If you increase the magnitude of E you increase the volume ,the block expands'Explain using words not what you claim to be maths so that the concept can be assessed.

u is internal energy  and any volume of u  absorbs energy and reradiates this energy . The absorbing of energy expressed *E because it's isotropic in nature , so if you have a ''cold'' metal block the ''hot'' is attracted to that block isotropic .  The block will then try to retain an equilibrium and divide this gained energy by the surrounding volume of the block .  Additionally the block itself expands because the whole of the block  tries to divide itself by the surrounding space but the blocks binary bond helps to retain form by pulling back .

What do you think you mean by binary bond? Tell us how you derived this 'equation'. No flannel, none of your 'n-field' nonsense.

(-e) + (+1E) = binary atomic  bond

I derived at the equation because I have my N-field theory  ::)

But , in words , I can envision anything , I can ''see'' the process so I only needed the correct symbols to use in the correct order of event .

The problem is , what you call flannel , is how I derived my equation  and I have no idea why people struggle to understand a neutral field concept ,    not an electrical universe I might add, electricity is a product of manipulating the neutral atomic binary fields .

99149f6d98761033c5a753b8fecc83a2.gif = Neutral  = U 







Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: The Spoon on 02/04/2019 09:36:55
Deliberately avoiding the question please explain what each symbol represents and how it is relevant to the specific thing you claim it calculates. Also, explain why the following statement is true:'If you increase the magnitude of E you increase the volume ,the block expands'Explain using words not what you claim to be maths so that the concept can be assessed.

u is internal energy  and any volume of u  absorbs energy and reradiates this energy . The absorbing of energy expressed *E because it's isotropic in nature , so if you have a ''cold'' metal block the ''hot'' is attracted to that block isotropic .  The block will then try to retain an equilibrium and divide this gained energy by the surrounding volume of the block .  Additionally the block itself expands because the whole of the block  tries to divide itself by the surrounding space but the blocks binary bond helps to retain form by pulling back .

What do you think you mean by binary bond? Tell us how you derived this 'equation'. No flannel, none of your 'n-field' nonsense.

(-e) + (+1E) = binary atomic  bond

I derived at the equation because I have my N-field theory :d

But , in words , I can envision anything , I can ''see'' the process so I only needed the correct symbols to use in the correct order of event .

The problem is , what you call flannel , is how I derived my equation  and I have no idea why people struggle to understand a neutral field concept ,    not an electrical universe I might add, electricity is a product of manipulating the neutral atomic binary fields .

99149f6d98761033c5a753b8fecc83a2.gif = Neutral  = U 








So more nonsense then.
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 02/04/2019 10:34:39
Deliberately avoiding the question please explain what each symbol represents and how it is relevant to the specific thing you claim it calculates. Also, explain why the following statement is true:'If you increase the magnitude of E you increase the volume ,the block expands'Explain using words not what you claim to be maths so that the concept can be assessed.

u is internal energy  and any volume of u  absorbs energy and reradiates this energy . The absorbing of energy expressed *E because it's isotropic in nature , so if you have a ''cold'' metal block the ''hot'' is attracted to that block isotropic .  The block will then try to retain an equilibrium and divide this gained energy by the surrounding volume of the block .  Additionally the block itself expands because the whole of the block  tries to divide itself by the surrounding space but the blocks binary bond helps to retain form by pulling back .

What do you think you mean by binary bond? Tell us how you derived this 'equation'. No flannel, none of your 'n-field' nonsense.

(-e) + (+1E) = binary atomic  bond

I derived at the equation because I have my N-field theory :d

But , in words , I can envision anything , I can ''see'' the process so I only needed the correct symbols to use in the correct order of event .

The problem is , what you call flannel , is how I derived my equation  and I have no idea why people struggle to understand a neutral field concept ,    not an electrical universe I might add, electricity is a product of manipulating the neutral atomic binary fields .

99149f6d98761033c5a753b8fecc83a2.gif = Neutral  = U 








So more nonsense then.

Huh ? Are you saying an electron plus a proton charge doesn't measure neutral ? 0 net charge .

It's not nonsense .
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Kryptid on 02/04/2019 14:26:32
I see that you have "u" standing in for "internal energy" and "E" standing in for just "energy". How do you distinguish between these two?
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 02/04/2019 17:12:19
I see that you have "u" standing in for "internal energy" and "E" standing in for just "energy". How do you distinguish between these two?
The density function of an object or gases compared to the density function of light propagating through the spatial ''vacuum'' .

I personally just use ρ=1 for any atom where ρ is density .  For an object it is different though because of compression of atoms  . 

For the spatial vacuum I use ρ=0 although this can be increased to 1 by applying space-time curvature  .

Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Kryptid on 02/04/2019 17:16:04
The density function of an object or gases compared to the density function of light propagating through the spatial ''vacuum'' .

I personally just use ρ=1 for any atom where ρ is density .  For an object it is different though because of compression of atoms  . 

For the spatial vacuum I use ρ=0 although this can be increased to 1 by applying space-time curvature  .

And what is a "density function"? I thought you were talking about energy, not density.
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 02/04/2019 17:21:20
The density function of an object or gases compared to the density function of light propagating through the spatial ''vacuum'' .

I personally just use ρ=1 for any atom where ρ is density .  For an object it is different though because of compression of atoms  . 

For the spatial vacuum I use ρ=0 although this can be increased to 1 by applying space-time curvature  .

And what is a "density function"? I thought you were talking about energy, not density.
U has a density function , any given point of space can contain more than one ''photon'' simultaneously .
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: The Spoon on 02/04/2019 17:39:33
I see that you have "u" standing in for "internal energy" and "E" standing in for just "energy". How do you distinguish between these two?
The density function of an object or gases compared to the density function of light propagating through the spatial ''vacuum'' .

I personally just use ρ=1 for any atom where ρ is density .  For an object it is different though because of compression of atoms  . 

For the spatial vacuum I use ρ=0 although this can be increased to 1 by applying space-time curvature  .


Why is the density of any atom equal to 1? Where is your data to back this up?
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: The Spoon on 02/04/2019 17:40:18
The density function of an object or gases compared to the density function of light propagating through the spatial ''vacuum'' .

I personally just use ρ=1 for any atom where ρ is density .  For an object it is different though because of compression of atoms  . 

For the spatial vacuum I use ρ=0 although this can be increased to 1 by applying space-time curvature  .

And what is a "density function"? I thought you were talking about energy, not density.
U has a density function , any given point of space can contain more than one ''photon'' simultaneously .
Where is your data to back this up?
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: The Spoon on 02/04/2019 17:42:48
Deliberately avoiding the question please explain what each symbol represents and how it is relevant to the specific thing you claim it calculates. Also, explain why the following statement is true:'If you increase the magnitude of E you increase the volume ,the block expands'Explain using words not what you claim to be maths so that the concept can be assessed.

u is internal energy  and any volume of u  absorbs energy and reradiates this energy . The absorbing of energy expressed *E because it's isotropic in nature , so if you have a ''cold'' metal block the ''hot'' is attracted to that block isotropic .  The block will then try to retain an equilibrium and divide this gained energy by the surrounding volume of the block .  Additionally the block itself expands because the whole of the block  tries to divide itself by the surrounding space but the blocks binary bond helps to retain form by pulling back .

What do you think you mean by binary bond? Tell us how you derived this 'equation'. No flannel, none of your 'n-field' nonsense.

(-e) + (+1E) = binary atomic  bond

I derived at the equation because I have my N-field theory :d

But , in words , I can envision anything , I can ''see'' the process so I only needed the correct symbols to use in the correct order of event .

The problem is , what you call flannel , is how I derived my equation  and I have no idea why people struggle to understand a neutral field concept ,    not an electrical universe I might add, electricity is a product of manipulating the neutral atomic binary fields .

99149f6d98761033c5a753b8fecc83a2.gif = Neutral  = U 








So more nonsense then.

Huh ? Are you saying an electron plus a proton charge doesn't measure neutral ? 0 net charge .

It's not nonsense .
Nope. I am saying your so called n-field is nonsense as has been discussed previously to the point of tedium pigeon.
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 02/04/2019 17:49:50
The density function of an object or gases compared to the density function of light propagating through the spatial ''vacuum'' .

I personally just use ρ=1 for any atom where ρ is density .  For an object it is different though because of compression of atoms  . 

For the spatial vacuum I use ρ=0 although this can be increased to 1 by applying space-time curvature  .

And what is a "density function"? I thought you were talking about energy, not density.
U has a density function , any given point of space can contain more than one ''photon'' simultaneously .
Where is your data to back this up?
''Bosons obey Bose-Einstein statistics, and the Pauli Exclusion Principle does not apply to them. This means photons can have the same quantum state (same position, momentum, etc.)''

Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 02/04/2019 17:50:49
Nope. I am saying your so called n-field is nonsense as has been discussed previously to the point of tedium pigeon.
Really ? Then space-time does not exist if you say that .

Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: The Spoon on 02/04/2019 17:57:24
The density function of an object or gases compared to the density function of light propagating through the spatial ''vacuum'' .

I personally just use ρ=1 for any atom where ρ is density .  For an object it is different though because of compression of atoms  . 

For the spatial vacuum I use ρ=0 although this can be increased to 1 by applying space-time curvature  .

And what is a "density function"? I thought you were talking about energy, not density.
U has a density function , any given point of space can contain more than one ''photon'' simultaneously .
Where is your data to back this up?
''Bosons obey Bose-Einstein statistics, and the Pauli Exclusion Principle does not apply to them. This means photons can have the same quantum state (same position, momentum, etc.)''


And where does this show that any point of space can contain more than one photon simultaneously.?
And answer Kryptid's question.
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: The Spoon on 02/04/2019 17:58:41
Nope. I am saying your so called n-field is nonsense as has been discussed previously to the point of tedium pigeon.
Really ? Then space-time does not exist if you say that .


Nope. I am saying your idea is nonsense. It is sloppily thought out pratting about.
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 02/04/2019 18:01:40
The density function of an object or gases compared to the density function of light propagating through the spatial ''vacuum'' .

I personally just use ρ=1 for any atom where ρ is density .  For an object it is different though because of compression of atoms  . 

For the spatial vacuum I use ρ=0 although this can be increased to 1 by applying space-time curvature  .

And what is a "density function"? I thought you were talking about energy, not density.
U has a density function , any given point of space can contain more than one ''photon'' simultaneously .
Where is your data to back this up?
''Bosons obey Bose-Einstein statistics, and the Pauli Exclusion Principle does not apply to them. This means photons can have the same quantum state (same position, momentum, etc.)''


And where does this show that any point of space can contain more than one photon simultaneously.?
And answer Kryptid's question.
A photon is not an object , not only can photons occupy the same spatial point , atomic opposite charge can occupy the same spatial point and the reason for this is that there is no reason it can't .

I did answer Krytid question .
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 02/04/2019 18:03:06
Nope. I am saying your so called n-field is nonsense as has been discussed previously to the point of tedium pigeon.
Really ? Then space-time does not exist if you say that .


Nope. I am saying your idea is nonsense. It is sloppily thought out pratting about.
Really ? Do you not realise the n-field is the interwoven fabric of time ?
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: The Spoon on 02/04/2019 18:06:49
Nope. I am saying your so called n-field is nonsense as has been discussed previously to the point of tedium pigeon.
Really ? Then space-time does not exist if you say that .


Nope. I am saying your idea is nonsense. It is sloppily thought out pratting about.
Really ? Do you not realise the n-field is the interwoven fabric of time ?
No, it is something you have made up pigeon.
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 02/04/2019 18:13:27
Nope. I am saying your so called n-field is nonsense as has been discussed previously to the point of tedium pigeon.
Really ? Then space-time does not exist if you say that .


Nope. I am saying your idea is nonsense. It is sloppily thought out pratting about.
Really ? Do you not realise the n-field is the interwoven fabric of time ?
No, it is something you have made up pigeon.
Really ? So you are saying a proton charge and an electron charge doesn't measure neutral , no net charge ?

Are you suggesting the very field you walk through is a positive or negative charge ?
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: The Spoon on 02/04/2019 18:16:25
Nope. I am saying your so called n-field is nonsense as has been discussed previously to the point of tedium pigeon.
Really ? Then space-time does not exist if you say that .


Nope. I am saying your idea is nonsense. It is sloppily thought out pratting about.
Really ? Do you not realise the n-field is the interwoven fabric of time ?
No, it is something you have made up pigeon.
Really ? So you are saying a proton charge and an electron charge doesn't measure neutral , no net charge ?

Are you suggesting the very field you walk through is a positive or negative charge ?
You have not demonstrated such a field exists. You are trying to blag it, pigeon.
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 02/04/2019 18:21:01
Nope. I am saying your so called n-field is nonsense as has been discussed previously to the point of tedium pigeon.
Really ? Then space-time does not exist if you say that .


Nope. I am saying your idea is nonsense. It is sloppily thought out pratting about.
Really ? Do you not realise the n-field is the interwoven fabric of time ?
No, it is something you have made up pigeon.
Really ? So you are saying a proton charge and an electron charge doesn't measure neutral , no net charge ?

Are you suggesting the very field you walk through is a positive or negative charge ?
You have not demonstrated such a field exists. You are trying to blag it, pigeon.
What do think stops some of the suns rays entering the earths atmosphere ?

What do you think space-time is ?

Additionally the earths oblate shape proves the existence .
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: The Spoon on 02/04/2019 18:28:10
Additionally the earths oblate shape proves the existence
Oh yeah? How? You do talk a lot of utter crap.
What do I think stops some of the earth's ray entering the atmosphere? Atomic absorption.
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 02/04/2019 18:32:14
Additionally the earths oblate shape proves the existence
Oh yeah? How? You do talk a lot of utter crap.
What do I think stops some of the earth's ray entering the atmosphere? Atomic absorption.
The North pole is ''falling'' to outer space but the interior spatial field pushes back , Newtons third law .

Are you suggesting there is no earth electromagnetic field being emitted ?
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: The Spoon on 02/04/2019 18:35:04
Additionally the earths oblate shape proves the existence
Oh yeah? How? You do talk a lot of utter crap.
What do I think stops some of the earth's ray entering the atmosphere? Atomic absorption.
The North pole is ''falling'' to outer space but the interior spatial field pushes back , Newtons third law .

Are you suggesting there is no earth electromagnetic field being emitted ?
I thought you were leaving? Cant even do that properly can you? What are those two non-sequitur statements above? Full of it arent you pigeon?
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 02/04/2019 18:39:21
Full of it arent you pigeon?
Not at all , I understand the Universe very well .

You didn't understand the statement about space-time curvature and the earth's oblate shape is because the earth is large enough to push space time and for space time to push back ?

Did you never learn about buoyancy ?
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: The Spoon on 02/04/2019 18:46:12
Full of it arent you pigeon?
Not at all , I understand the Universe very well .

You didn't understand the statement about space-time curvature and the earth's oblate shape is because the earth is large enough to push space time and for space time to push back ?

Did you never learn about buoyancy ?

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Full of it arent you pigeon?
Not at all , I understand the Universe very well .

You didn't understand the statement about space-time curvature and the earth's oblate shape is because the earth is large enough to push space time and for space time to push back ?

Did you never learn about buoyancy ?

Well if you do you have failed to demonstrate it. The above is crap. It is not just me pointing this out. It is everybody.
But you know that don't you 'King of the Trolls'? How many of the pseudo science nutters are your socks?
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: jeffreyH on 02/04/2019 18:49:34
Interwoven fabric. Sounds like knitting to me. Ever read A Tale of Two Cities? It's about people who are for the chop.
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 02/04/2019 18:49:44
Well if you do you have failed to demonstrate it. The above is crap. It is not just me pointing this out. It is everybody. But you know that don't you 'King of the Trolls'? How many of the pseudo science nutters are your socks?
I think you should learn about buoyancy and the displacement of mass using large areas such as a parachute . 
Consider the biggest boat you can think of , that is a needle considering space and the earths area .
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 02/04/2019 18:52:31
Interwoven fabric. Sounds like knitting to me. Ever read A Tale of Two Cities? It's about people who are for the chop.
Yes an interwoven fabric like Einstein thought , except he never explained what this fabric was .  There is no reason any given point of space cannot be occupied by a negative and positive point charge simultaneously , the consequent of this , interwoven points of energy that make up a field .
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: The Spoon on 02/04/2019 18:53:55
Well if you do you have failed to demonstrate it. The above is crap. It is not just me pointing this out. It is everybody. But you know that don't you 'King of the Trolls'? How many of the pseudo science nutters are your socks?
I think you should learn about buoyancy and the displacement of mass using large areas such as a parachute . 
Consider the biggest boat you can think of , that is a needle considering space and the earths area .

Given the amount that I sail I don't really need lessons from you. Plus you are spouting irrelevant gibberish.
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: The Spoon on 02/04/2019 18:55:06
Interwoven fabric. Sounds like knitting to me. Ever read A Tale of Two Cities? It's about people who are for the chop.
Read it a couple of months ago. One of Dickens best imho.
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: The Spoon on 02/04/2019 18:56:20
Interwoven fabric. Sounds like knitting to me. Ever read A Tale of Two Cities? It's about people who are for the chop.
Yes an interwoven fabric like Einstein thought , except he never explained what this fabric was .  There is no reason any given point of space cannot be occupied by a negative and positive point charge simultaneously , the consequent of this , interwoven points of energy that make up a field .

And you think it is nylon presumably?
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 02/04/2019 18:59:09
Well if you do you have failed to demonstrate it. The above is crap. It is not just me pointing this out. It is everybody. But you know that don't you 'King of the Trolls'? How many of the pseudo science nutters are your socks?
I think you should learn about buoyancy and the displacement of mass using large areas such as a parachute . 
Consider the biggest boat you can think of , that is a needle considering space and the earths area .

Given the amount that I sail I don't really need lessons from you. Plus you are spouting irrelevant gibberish.
It's not irrelevant , my 5d model uses this very notion , it's simply an advancement on Einstein's notions of space-time.
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 02/04/2019 19:00:50
Interwoven fabric. Sounds like knitting to me. Ever read A Tale of Two Cities? It's about people who are for the chop.
Yes an interwoven fabric like Einstein thought , except he never explained what this fabric was .  There is no reason any given point of space cannot be occupied by a negative and positive point charge simultaneously , the consequent of this , interwoven points of energy that make up a field .

And you think it is nylon presumably?
No . it's an interwoven binary energy field that N=n .  If N ≠ n then there is more field resistance .
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Bored chemist on 02/04/2019 19:29:57
No idea , I don't  use that
Has anyone ever told you that liars need good memories?
You said it's what you used.
because that would be   the value of u would be the value of hydrogens u . 

What does the u mean?
Internal energy , 
Do you mean this?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_energy
Or do you mean something made up?

Of course I mean that , my theory conforms to present physics .



So, what you have posted is plainly false.
We can all stop now.
Perhaps a passing Mod might like to move this to "That can't be true" to ensure that nobody  else accidentally takes it seriously?
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 02/04/2019 19:33:45
, what you have posted is plainly false.We can all stop now.Perhaps a passing Mod might like to move this to "That can't be true" to ensure that nobody  else accidentally takes it seriously?
Mr C, my equation is a simplified equation that explains many processes .  I assume you would use your equations  if you were to do the intricate values , I also assume I would also have to use them if I wanted intricate values . I wasn't lying , it was poorly written to what I intended .

And regardless what you've said

t = bbf92a1e0a4f46a229a668e9b47bd5f2.gif

and

Δt = Δ bbf92a1e0a4f46a229a668e9b47bd5f2.gif




Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Bored chemist on 02/04/2019 20:01:45

Also re.
Hydrogen doesn't combust as such


Yes, it does.

So, as I said
So, what you have posted is plainly false.
We can all stop now.
Perhaps a passing Mod might like to move this to "That can't be true" to ensure that nobody  else accidentally takes it seriously?
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 02/04/2019 21:39:52

Also re.
Hydrogen doesn't combust as such


Yes, it does.

So, as I said
So, what you have posted is plainly false.
We can all stop now.
Perhaps a passing Mod might like to move this to "That can't be true" to ensure that nobody  else accidentally takes it seriously?

Yes hydrogen ''combusts''  but not in  a way that the hydrogen atom is split .  The surface of the hydrogen is on ''fire'' (which is not really fire) because of the spontaneous reaction of ignition causing a kE response . 
I have just realised science doesn't know what fire really is does it ?

Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Bored chemist on 02/04/2019 21:42:23
but not in  a way that the hydrogen atom is split
Nobody ever said it was.
That's not what combustion means.
I have just realised science doesn't know what fire really is does it ?
Well... someone doesn't.

and that's you.
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 02/04/2019 21:45:59
but not in  a way that the hydrogen atom is split
Nobody ever said it was.
That's not what combustion means.
I have just realised science doesn't know what fire really is does it ?
Well... someone doesn't.

and that's you.


I know what fire is , it's excitement that produces visible light . A little more complex than that but in basics .
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Kryptid on 02/04/2019 21:47:28
U has a density function , any given point of space can contain more than one ''photon'' simultaneously .

What would that represent in normal science language? What would "u" for hydrogen represent? What would "E" for hydrogen represent? I can't help you with your calculations until I get the needed clarification so I can look up values.
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 02/04/2019 21:54:47
U has a density function , any given point of space can contain more than one ''photon'' simultaneously .

What would that represent in normal science language? What would "u" for hydrogen represent? What would "E" for hydrogen represent? I can't help you with your calculations until I get the needed clarification so I can look up values.

U for hydrogen would be the total amount of charge in the system , the only problem is it always measures 0 because of the neutral formed .

E for hydrogen would be when some work gets done such as 0 being split in two or kinetic response  by

Δ bbf92a1e0a4f46a229a668e9b47bd5f2.gif= ΔV = ΔkE






Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Kryptid on 02/04/2019 21:56:07
U for hydrogen would be the total amount of charge in the system , the only problem is it always measures 0 because of the neutral formed .

So does that mean I should be put zero in for u?
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 02/04/2019 21:58:58
U for hydrogen would be the total amount of charge in the system , the only problem is it always measures 0 because of the neutral formed .

So does that mean I should be put zero in for u?
Well actually yes but you have to understand that 0 is a range from zero to infinite but will still measure 0 . Unless there's work being done , 0 remains ''idol''  and ''cold'' fused unless there is kinetic action happening .
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Kryptid on 02/04/2019 21:59:52
Well actually yes but you have to understand that 0 is a range from zero to infinite but will still measure 0 . Unless there's work being done , 0 remains ''idol'' .

So how am I supposed to get a meaningful calculation out of the equation?
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Bored chemist on 02/04/2019 22:03:12
I know what fire is
Then why are you trying to pretend that hydrogen doesn't combust?
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 02/04/2019 22:09:22
Well actually yes but you have to understand that 0 is a range from zero to infinite but will still measure 0 . Unless there's work being done , 0 remains ''idol'' .

So how am I supposed to get a meaningful calculation out of the equation?

Well , it will take some skill , like I've stated the equation is a generalised equation that explains a lot of different process's but as for values , (shrugs shoulders) . 

It does explain the process 's so there must be values . 

Maybe we could express

u=var(x)



Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 02/04/2019 22:13:27
I know what fire is
Then why are you trying to pretend that hydrogen doesn't combust?

I'm not , I had visions of you thinking that atoms burn out of existence for some reason .  I also prefer the term react which is more deep .
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Kryptid on 02/04/2019 22:14:00
Well , it will take some skill , like I've stated the equation is a generalised equation that explains a lot of different process's but as for values , (shrugs shoulders) . 

It does explain the process 's so there must be values . 

Maybe we could express

u=var(x)

The amount of energy released when one gram of hydrogen burns in an oxygen atmosphere is a particular value. If your equation is correct, then it can produce that value. In order to produce that value, one particular number must be substituted for "u". So is that number zero or is it not zero?
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: The Spoon on 02/04/2019 22:27:25
Well actually yes but you have to understand that 0 is a range from zero to infinite but will still measure 0 . Unless there's work being done , 0 remains ''idol'' .

So how am I supposed to get a meaningful calculation out of the equation?

Well , it will take some skill , like I've stated the equation is a generalised equation that explains a lot of different process's but as for values , (shrugs shoulders) . 

It does explain the process 's so there must be values . 

Maybe we could express

u=var(x)




Little squirmy worm aren't you? Trying to avoid a straight answer because you know it will reveal what a hollow fool you are.
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 02/04/2019 22:28:28
Well , it will take some skill , like I've stated the equation is a generalised equation that explains a lot of different process's but as for values , (shrugs shoulders) . 

It does explain the process 's so there must be values . 

Maybe we could express

u=var(x)

The amount of energy released when one gram of hydrogen burns in an oxygen atmosphere is a particular value. If your equation is correct, then it can produce that value. In order to produce that value, one particular number must be substituted for "u". So is that number zero or is it not zero?
If you already have the value and equation you suppose to use that equation, my equation just generalises the process's and is meant as an education aid  in simplicity .  In other words you don't have to work out an answer , it tells the ''story'' of the process's .

If you like , call it the most useful , useless equation ever .  As a teaching aid for the maths mediocre minded like my self , it is awesome .
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 02/04/2019 22:30:15
Well actually yes but you have to understand that 0 is a range from zero to infinite but will still measure 0 . Unless there's work being done , 0 remains ''idol'' .

So how am I supposed to get a meaningful calculation out of the equation?

Well , it will take some skill , like I've stated the equation is a generalised equation that explains a lot of different process's but as for values , (shrugs shoulders) . 

It does explain the process 's so there must be values . 

Maybe we could express

u=var(x)




Little squirmy worm aren't you? Trying to avoid a straight answer because you know it will reveal what a hollow fool you are.
Insulting aren't you ?
Where's your theory ?
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Kryptid on 02/04/2019 22:32:15
If you already have the value and equation you suppose to use that equation, my equation just generalises the process's and is meant as an education aid  in simplicity .  In other words you don't have to work out an answer , it tells the ''story'' of the process's .

So can it calculate the energy released when hydrogen combusts or not?
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 02/04/2019 22:36:35
If you already have the value and equation you suppose to use that equation, my equation just generalises the process's and is meant as an education aid  in simplicity .  In other words you don't have to work out an answer , it tells the ''story'' of the process's .

So can it calculate the energy released when hydrogen combusts or not?
Well in theory yes if you're good at maths and can work out the values .

You have to work out u then you have to work out ignition energy added to the system and the kinetic response energy .

Alternatively we could work backwards , 1ltr of hydrogen  volumes energy combusted,  divided by a volume of water , temp measure etc and reverse engineer the results to get an exact measure .

Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Kryptid on 02/04/2019 22:39:22
Well in theory yes

Then that is what I'm trying to do. If "u" is equal to the net electric charge in a hydrogen molecule, then "u" has to be zero.
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 02/04/2019 22:41:52
Well in theory yes

Then that is what I'm trying to do. If "u" is equal to the net electric charge in a hydrogen molecule, then "u" has to be zero.
Well yes if we're being honest , can we call this , the idol moment ?

Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Kryptid on 02/04/2019 22:43:03
Well yes if we're being honest , can we call this , the idol moment ?

Okay then, so what would "E" represent in the equation in normal science language?
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: The Spoon on 02/04/2019 22:43:10
Well actually yes but you have to understand that 0 is a range from zero to infinite but will still measure 0 . Unless there's work being done , 0 remains ''idol'' .

So how am I supposed to get a meaningful calculation out of the equation?

Well , it will take some skill , like I've stated the equation is a generalised equation that explains a lot of different process's but as for values , (shrugs shoulders) . 

It does explain the process 's so there must be values . 

Maybe we could express

u=var(x)




Little squirmy worm aren't you? Trying to avoid a straight answer because you know it will reveal what a hollow fool you are.
Insulting aren't you ?
Where's your theory ?
I don't and never claimed to have a theory. You seem to think it isall about who has the biggest theory don't you? A kind of science dick waving contest. It shows your complete lack of understanding of science.
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: The Spoon on 02/04/2019 22:43:53
Well in theory yes

Then that is what I'm trying to do. If "u" is equal to the net electric charge in a hydrogen molecule, then "u" has to be zero.
Well yes if we're being honest , can we call this , the idol moment ?


What Billy Idol? 😆
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 02/04/2019 22:48:43
Well yes if we're being honest , can we call this , the idol moment ?

Okay then, so what would "E" represent in the equation in normal science language?

Difficult to answer but I think in your terms we can use hf with the same net charge .
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Kryptid on 02/04/2019 22:51:15
Difficult to answer but I think in your terms we can use hf

I assume "h" means Planck's constant. Does the "f" mean frequency? What would frequency represent for a hydrogen molecule? The frequency of the chemical bond?
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 02/04/2019 22:53:57
Difficult to answer but I think in your terms we can use hf

I assume "h" means Planck's constant. Does the "f" mean frequency? What would frequency represent for a hydrogen molecule? The frequency of the chemical bond?
The frequency of incoming hf I'm referring to , I'm not sure about your chemical bond but I imagine the frequency speeds up some what when ''heated''  to combustion ?

And yes a constant ,
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Kryptid on 02/04/2019 22:56:14
The frequency of incoming hf I'm referring to , I'm not sure about your chemical bond but I imagine the frequency speeds up some what when ''heated''  to combustion ?

It sounds like your equation assumes ignition by photons. Which means we can use any kind of photon frequency we want here, I guess?
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 02/04/2019 22:56:23
Well in theory yes

Then that is what I'm trying to do. If "u" is equal to the net electric charge in a hydrogen molecule, then "u" has to be zero.
Well yes if we're being honest , can we call this , the idol moment ?


What Billy Idol? 😆

White wedding , a mixture of frequencies .

Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 02/04/2019 22:58:02
The frequency of incoming hf I'm referring to , I'm not sure about your chemical bond but I imagine the frequency speeds up some what when ''heated''  to combustion ?

It sounds like your equation assumes ignition by photons. Which means we can use any kind of photon frequency we want here, I guess?
Yes I think so , obvious the shorter the wave length , the quicker combustion is achieved .
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Kryptid on 02/04/2019 23:00:52
Yes I think so , obvious the shorter the wave length , the quicker combustion is achieved .

Now we're making some progress. I assume that "V" is simply the volume of the hydrogen gas. So now on to "t", which is, I'm guessing, the time taken to burn the hydrogen. Depending on how the system is set up, you could burn hydrogen as fast or as slow as you want to. So can any number be put in for "t"? How about ten seconds?
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 02/04/2019 23:07:45
Yes I think so , obvious the shorter the wave length , the quicker combustion is achieved .

Now we're making some progress. I assume that "V" is simply the volume of the hydrogen gas. So now on to "t", which is, I'm guessing, the time taken to burn the hydrogen. Depending on how the system is set up, you could burn hydrogen as fast or as slow as you want to. So can any number be put in for "t"? How about ten seconds?
Ten seconds will do , consider also there is the volume of the hydrogen and volume external of the hydrogen unless you're talking about a compression chamber  and a hydrogen fuel engine .
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Kryptid on 02/04/2019 23:09:09
Ten seconds will do , consider also there is the volume of the hydrogen and volume external of the hydrogen unless your talking about a compression chamber  and a hydrogen fuel engine .

As a gas, hydrogen will fill whatever container it's in. So those volumes can be taken as equal if you'd like.
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 02/04/2019 23:12:32
Ten seconds will do , consider also there is the volume of the hydrogen and volume external of the hydrogen unless your talking about a compression chamber  and a hydrogen fuel engine .

As a gas, hydrogen will fill whatever container it's in. So those volumes can be taken as equal if you'd like.

Arr , ok, I see what you're on about , pressure equalling density I presume ?  Obviously density also plays a part , there will be more energy per mm of hydrogen if pressured compared to less pressured .


Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Kryptid on 02/04/2019 23:15:09
Arr , ok, I see what you're on about , pressure equalling density I presume ?  Obviously density also plays a part , there will be more energy per mm of hydrogen if pressured compared to less pressured .

If we are assuming normal atmospheric pressure, then knowing that we have one gram of hydrogen will already give us the volume (and therefore the density).

Unless you have anything else to add, I think I have all I need to do the math. Should I start?

EDIT: I've got to go do something, but I'll be back in a little bit.
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 02/04/2019 23:16:37
Arr , ok, I see what you're on about , pressure equalling density I presume ?  Obviously density also plays a part , there will be more energy per mm of hydrogen if pressured compared to less pressured .

If we are assuming normal atmospheric pressure, then knowing that we have one gram of hydrogen will already give us the volume.

Unless you have anything else to add, I think I have all I need to do the math. Should I start?
Yea you can try , I'll be interested to see what you come up with .
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Kryptid on 03/04/2019 00:15:23
Yea you can try , I'll be interested to see what you come up with .

I can't directly copy the equation text as you've written it (is it an image file?), but this should be an equivalent expression: (uE3)/(V/t)

"E" equals "hf3", which is the Planck constant multiplied by photon frequency. I'll use a very powerful photon in the form of a gamma ray (1019 hertz). 1019 cubed is 1057. So "E" equals (6.6260701510−34 joule-seconds) x (1057 hertz). Multiply that out and you get 6.62607015 x 1023.

One gram of hydrogen is equal to 0.49611 moles of hydrogen, which occupies 11.1129 liters of volume (0.0111129 cubic meters). So now I have the needed values:

Combustion energy =  (uE3)/(V/t)
= ((0)*((6.62607015 x 1023)3))/(0.0111129/10)
= ((0)*((2.909163 x 1071)))/(0.00111129)
= (0)/(0.00111129)
= 0 joules

Okay, so we've run into a problem. By making "u" equal to zero, the equation predicts that no energy is released at all by hydrogen burning. However, there is a way around this. Maybe instead of net charge you meant gross charge instead? That way, instead of subtracting the charge on the electrons from the charge on the protons and getting zero, you add them together and get a finite number (6.4087064 x 10[/sup]-19[/sup] coulombs of charge, to be precise). Here's what happens if I do that instead:

Combustion energy =  (uE3)/(V/t)
= ((6.4087064 x 10-19)*((6.62607015 x 1023)3))/(0.0111129/10)
= ((6.4087064 x 10-19)*((2.909163 x 1071)))/(0.00111129)
= (1.864397 x 1053)/(0.00111129)
= 1.677687 x 1056 joules

How about that? Does that look good?
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 03/04/2019 01:08:13
Yea you can try , I'll be interested to see what you come up with .

I can't directly copy the equation text as you've written it (is it an image file?), but this should be an equivalent expression: (uE3)/(V/t)

"E" equals "hf3", which is the Planck constant multiplied by photon frequency. I'll use a very powerful photon in the form of a gamma ray (1019 hertz). 1019 cubed is 1057. So "E" equals (6.6260701510−34 joule-seconds) x (1057 hertz). Multiply that out and you get 6.62607015 x 1023.

One gram of hydrogen is equal to 0.49611 moles of hydrogen, which occupies 11.1129 liters of volume (0.0111129 cubic meters). So now I have the needed values:

Combustion energy =  (uE3)/(V/t)
= ((0)*((6.62607015 x 1023)3))/(0.0111129/10)
= ((0)*((2.909163 x 1071)))/(0.00111129)
= (0)/(0.00111129)
= 0 joules

Okay, so we've run into a problem. By making "u" equal to zero, the equation predicts that no energy is released at all by hydrogen burning. However, there is a way around this. Maybe instead of net charge you meant gross charge instead? That way, instead of subtracting the charge on the electrons from the charge on the protons and getting zero, you add them together and get a finite number (6.4087064 x 10[/sup]-19[/sup] coulombs of charge, to be precise). Here's what happens if I do that instead:

Combustion energy =  (uE3)/(V/t)
= ((6.4087064 x 10-19)*((6.62607015 x 1023)3))/(0.0111129/10)
= ((6.4087064 x 10-19)*((2.909163 x 1071)))/(0.00111129)
= (1.864397 x 1053)/(0.00111129)
= 1.677687 x 1056 joules

How about that? Does that look good?
Wow , yes it looks good , I have no idea what it means lol , that's why I have a simple equation . Does it work ?

Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Kryptid on 03/04/2019 05:33:20
Wow , yes it looks good , I have no idea what it means lol , that's why I have a simple equation . Does it work ?

The enthalpy of combustion of hydrogen is 141,580 joules per gram according to https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/standard-heat-of-combustion-energy-content-d_1987.html

141,580 joules per gram is nowhere remotely the same as 1.677687 x 1056 joules per gram.
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Bored chemist on 03/04/2019 07:26:37
I have a simple equation . Does it work ?
No, of course not.
That's what we have said all along.
Your calculation is nonsense.
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 03/04/2019 13:44:59
Wow , yes it looks good , I have no idea what it means lol , that's why I have a simple equation . Does it work ?

The enthalpy of combustion of hydrogen is 141,580 joules per gram according to https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/standard-heat-of-combustion-energy-content-d_1987.html

141,580 joules per gram is nowhere remotely the same as 1.677687 x 1056 joules per gram.
Perhaps the answer shouldn't be in joules , how do they derive their equation ?  Are they doing it correctly  ?

nX + mO2  →  xCO2 (g) + yH2O (l) + zZ + heat of combustion

HUh what's that suppose to mean ?

Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 03/04/2019 13:45:35
I have a simple equation . Does it work ?
No, of course not.
That's what we have said all along.
Your calculation is nonsense.
Nope , my equation works , values are just final touches .

Look at this way

A glass full of water

u=1/2 ltr
E = +1/2ltr

Output overflow 1/2 ltr

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Combustion energy =  (uE3)/(V/t)
= ((0)*((6.62607015 x 1023)3))/(0.0111129/10)
= ((0)*((2.909163 x 1071)))/(0.00111129)
= (0)/(0.00111129)
= 0 joules

Would be correct , the energy released is kinetics .

Antoine - nothing is lost and nothing is gained .
The hydrogen atom loses no energy in the process of combustion .
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 03/04/2019 14:09:04
The equation tells you that

Δu = ΔE = ΔkE = Δ T / t


u / t is a constant and the idol measure , u always returns to u , nothing lost and nothing gained .

Natural temperature 0 .

u = m

m+m = m2

m*m=m

m/V= <m

I won't add a big bang equation .

Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 03/04/2019 16:18:05
Kryptid ; 

m + c = m

V + V = V

??????????

Added- rethought

V = m

mc = V

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 ;)

u = m

E = c
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 03/04/2019 16:43:58
I've got it , I've invented  rhetorical maths for beginners .   :P


''A rhetorical question is a figure of speech in the form of a question that is asked to make a point rather than to elicit an answer. Though a rhetorical question does not require a direct answer, in many cases it may be intended to start a discussion or at least draw an acknowledgement that the listener understands the intended message.''

Why does a snow man melt ?

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What is a change in temperature ?

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How big is the universe ?

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How does metal expand ?

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See , it's proper good .

Added- more demonstration of it's simplicity brilliance

How do things age ?

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How does time change ?

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What is the speed of time ?

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What is mass ?

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etc, etc ,  8)



Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: The Spoon on 03/04/2019 17:08:52
The equation tells you that

Δu = ΔE = ΔkE = Δ T / t


u / t is a constant and the idol measure , u always returns to u , nothing lost and nothing gained .

Natural temperature 0 .

u = m

m+m = m2

m*m=m

m/V= <m

I won't add a big bang equation .


What is an idol measure? Is it related to some reality TV that has obviously rotted your mind?
Why not add a big bang equation. It is bound to have comedy value.
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 03/04/2019 17:18:32
The equation tells you that

Δu = ΔE = ΔkE = Δ T / t


u / t is a constant and the idol measure , u always returns to u , nothing lost and nothing gained .

Natural temperature 0 .

u = m

m+m = m2

m*m=m

m/V= <m

I won't add a big bang equation .


What is an idol measure? Is it related to some reality TV that has obviously rotted your mind?
Why not add a big bang equation. It is bound to have comedy value.

Which  big bang ? The beginning of time or the end of time ?

Additionally here is the model for the cool maths .


* super model.jpg (49.75 kB . 744x478 - viewed 619 times)






Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: The Spoon on 03/04/2019 18:13:49
The equation tells you that

Δu = ΔE = ΔkE = Δ T / t


u / t is a constant and the idol measure , u always returns to u , nothing lost and nothing gained .

Natural temperature 0 .

u = m

m+m = m2

m*m=m

m/V= <m

I won't add a big bang equation .


What is an idol measure? Is it related to some reality TV that has obviously rotted your mind?
Why not add a big bang equation. It is bound to have comedy value.

Which  big bang ? The beginning of time or the end of time ?

Additionally here is the model for the cool maths .


* super model.jpg (49.75 kB . 744x478 - viewed 619 times)







Lines and random letters. I've seen better Airfix models.
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 03/04/2019 18:18:03
Lines and random letters. I've seen better Airfix models.
Of course you have ! 

You couldn't do no better put it that way .
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Bored chemist on 03/04/2019 18:30:20
If you already have the value and equation you suppose to use that equation, my equation just generalises the process's and is meant as an education aid  in simplicity .  In other words you don't have to work out an answer , it tells the ''story'' of the process's .

So can it calculate the energy released when hydrogen combusts or not?
Well in theory yes if you're good at maths and can work out the values .

You have to work out u then you have to work out ignition energy added to the system and the kinetic response energy .

Alternatively we could work backwards , 1ltr of hydrogen  volumes energy combusted,  divided by a volume of water , temp measure etc and reverse engineer the results to get an exact measure .


I have a simpler suggestion for an equation that is just as much use as yours.
anything =  1-x

Obviously, to calculate it you need to know x
But, as you have suggested, that's easy- you just work backwards from the answer you want.

For example, if you want to know the  heat of combustion of hydrogen you start off by finding out what the heat of combustion of hydrogen is- you can measure it or google it, or whatever.

It's 286 JK/mol
Now, from that we can calculate x
x = 1- 286 So x (for this particular question) is -285

And then, using my formula we can calculate the heat of combustion for hydrogen.
we know that x = -285 so we calculate 1- (-285)
And that gives the answer 286.

Do you see any problems with this method which do not apply to yours?



Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: The Spoon on 03/04/2019 18:35:46
Lines and random letters. I've seen better Airfix models.
Of course you have ! 

You couldn't do no better put it that way .
Depends what it was trying to represent. As yours does not represent anything it is hard to judge.
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 03/04/2019 19:24:48
Lines and random letters. I've seen better Airfix models.
Of course you have ! 

You couldn't do no better put it that way .
Depends what it was trying to represent. As yours does not represent anything it is hard to judge.
That's strange it represents almost everything , thermodynamic process for a start , the process of time and aging, how the universe works , big bang singularity etc. 

Demonstrate it doesn't ?

Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 03/04/2019 19:29:35
If you already have the value and equation you suppose to use that equation, my equation just generalises the process's and is meant as an education aid  in simplicity .  In other words you don't have to work out an answer , it tells the ''story'' of the process's .

So can it calculate the energy released when hydrogen combusts or not?
Well in theory yes if you're good at maths and can work out the values .

You have to work out u then you have to work out ignition energy added to the system and the kinetic response energy .

Alternatively we could work backwards , 1ltr of hydrogen  volumes energy combusted,  divided by a volume of water , temp measure etc and reverse engineer the results to get an exact measure .


I have a simpler suggestion for an equation that is just as much use as yours.
anything =  1-x

Obviously, to calculate it you need to know x
But, as you have suggested, that's easy- you just work backwards from the answer you want.

For example, if you want to know the  heat of combustion of hydrogen you start off by finding out what the heat of combustion of hydrogen is- you can measure it or google it, or whatever.

It's 286 JK/mol
Now, from that we can calculate x
x = 1- 286 So x (for this particular question) is -285

And then, using my formula we can calculate the heat of combustion for hydrogen.
we know that x = -285 so we calculate 1- (-285)
And that gives the answer 286.

Do you see any problems with this method which do not apply to yours?




You're a genius like me after all  ;)

Yes exactly , I always work backwards too .  ::)

Not hydrogen ;

x-y = (<x)

x+y=(>x)

Where V is volume and y is internal energy .



Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: The Spoon on 03/04/2019 19:44:00
Lines and random letters. I've seen better Airfix models.
Of course you have ! 

You couldn't do no better put it that way .
Depends what it was trying to represent. As yours does not represent anything it is hard to judge.
That's strange it represents almost everything , thermodynamic process for a start , the process of time and aging, how the universe works , big bang singularity etc. 

Demonstrate it doesn't ?


You are right there. It doesn't.
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Bored chemist on 03/04/2019 19:44:51
That's strange it represents almost everything , thermodynamic process for a start , the process of time and aging, how the universe works , big bang singularity etc. 

Demonstrate it doesn't ?
It gave an answer that was wrong by about 50 orders of magnitude.
That's a pretty convincing demonstration of failure
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 03/04/2019 20:11:15
That's strange it represents almost everything , thermodynamic process for a start , the process of time and aging, how the universe works , big bang singularity etc. 

Demonstrate it doesn't ?
It gave an answer that was wrong by about 50 orders of magnitude.
That's a pretty convincing demonstration of failure
No, I've stated it is a new form of maths that is a generalised simplified equation that explains most processes .  I've recently give the math a name of rhetorical math .

I ask again demonstrate it's failure to explain ?
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Bored chemist on 03/04/2019 20:52:51
I ask again demonstrate it's failure to explain ?
It failed to explain why you got the answer a million billion billion billion billion fold wrong.

It fails to do anything.
It fails to explain anything.
And you have the burden of proof the wrong way round anyway.
It is your job to prove that it does explain things.
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 03/04/2019 21:11:47

It is your job to prove that it does explain things.

Ok, I've now altered it slightly

Lets ask it a question

Why does metal expand when heated ?

Δ6c3f0ff1f1bcbdbe1c026447c194df37.gif

Where U is internal energy volume 1 = 23f4a322f689afda861c3adecf325633.gif

And where u is external energy propagating through volume Vⁿ




Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Kryptid on 03/04/2019 21:32:38
Perhaps the answer shouldn't be in joules

Joules is the standard metric unit for energy, so it's quite appropriate.

how do they derive their equation ?

It's basic arithmetic. Two pieces of information are required: a balanced chemical equation and the enthalpy of formation of each chemical involves. The enthalpy of formation of a chemical element in its standard state is set to be zero, since they are the basic building blocks of other compounds (the exception being allotropes of those same elements, which will either absorb energy or release it when they form from the standard state of those elements. The difference between diatomic oxygen (O2) and ozone (O3) is one example). The enthalpy of formation of a chemical compound is usually determined experimentally.

I'll show an example. The combustion of gaseous hydrogen with gaseous oxygen to produce liquid water. The balanced equation is as follows:

2H2 (g) + O2 (g) → 2H2O (l)

Now we multiply the coefficients by the known enthalpies of formation to get the following equations:

(2 x 0 kJ/mol) + (1 x 0 kJ/mol) and (2 x -285.83 kJ/mol)

The equation on the left is the total enthalpy of formations of the reactants (the hydrogen and oxygen) while the equation on the right is the total enthalpy of formations of the products (the water). Since the enthalpies of formation of the elements are zero, the answer to that equation is also zero. The equation on the right works out to -571.66 kilojoules per mole (a negative number indicates that the reaction releases energy instead of absorbing it). Now we subtract the answer on the right from the answer on the left, (-571.66 - 0 = -571.66). So the total energy released is 571.66 kilojoules per mole. That is if two moles of hydrogen are burned. If we want to know the energy released when one mole is burned, then you simply divide the result by two, which is 285.83 kilojoules per mole.

Quote
Are they doing it correctly  ?

Algebra is one of the easiest forms of math to do, so I'm going to say yes.

nX + mO2  →  xCO2 (g) + yH2O (l) + zZ + heat of combustion

HUh what's that suppose to mean ?

It's a generalized equation for combustion of a carbon and hydrogen-containing compound. The coefficients "n", "m", "x", "y" and "z" are the number of moles of each chemical in the equation. The "X" is the formula for whatever chemical you are burning (such as, for example, C6H12O6 for glucose). The O2 is oxygen, which is the usual chemical used as an oxidizer. The CO2 is carbon dioxide while H2O is water, both of which are common chemical compounds formed as a result of combustion of organic compounds. The "Z" is for any product other than carbon dioxide and water (such as if the burned compound contained phosphorus, sulfur, nitrogen or some other element).

Would be correct , the energy released is kinetics .

Antoine - nothing is lost and nothing is gained .
The hydrogen atom loses no energy in the process of combustion .

The stated purpose of the calculation was to determine the amount of energy released when hydrogen burns. Regardless of where the energy actually comes from, energy is released in the process. So either your equation is wrong or you gave me the wrong information to use in the calculation.
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 03/04/2019 22:40:06
The stated purpose of the calculation was to determine the amount of energy released when hydrogen burns. Regardless of where the energy actually comes from, energy is released in the process. So either your equation is wrong or you gave me the wrong information to use in the calculation.
The problem is no matter what value to derive , it is relative .  I could express the combustion of hydrogen releases 1 in energy , 1 would be equal to a more derived value .  I may of give you the wrong values to my equation .  It does work for the purpose it is designed for in expressing many different processes using one equation .
The purpose of my equation is for people like myself who take one look at equations like you've just provided and think stuff that it looks complex .

I think it would make a good teaching aid and help people understand why math is important , it shows how the maths works for physical process without anything complex added  and also will help people understand how things work in simplicity .

It's weird to be honest and seems kinda magical because I can ask a question and it gives the answer .

What is space-time in example ?

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What is a Black hole ?

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etc,

It's really like magic and ''it'' knows the answer .

Added- How about we do the speed of light ?

0f9fc76f90103c0fd320fd72453de3b6.gif   ;)

Added- shall we try gravity ?

F(G) = 0f9fc76f90103c0fd320fd72453de3b6.gif  + 0f9fc76f90103c0fd320fd72453de3b6.gif   :o

Added-  :D What is the physical process of filling a bath tub ?

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Added- Sorry I love it ,  ;D How does my shoe size change ?

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How does my hard drive fill up ?

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Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Kryptid on 03/04/2019 23:38:19
The problem is no matter what value to derive , it is relative .  I could express the combustion of hydrogen releases 1 in energy , 1 would be equal to a more derived value .

So then the equation is useless for answering questions that we don't already have the answer to.
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 03/04/2019 23:49:30
The problem is no matter what value to derive , it is relative .  I could express the combustion of hydrogen releases 1 in energy , 1 would be equal to a more derived value .

So then the equation is useless for answering questions that we don't already have the answer to.
What don't you have an answer too ?  I'll have a go at working it out .
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Kryptid on 03/04/2019 23:56:24
What don't you have an answer too ?

There are a lot of things that we don't know yet, but I'll give you something that could potentially be addressed with math: what is the melting point of the yet-to-be-synthesized element 119?
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 04/04/2019 00:13:16
What don't you have an answer too ?

There are a lot of things that we don't know yet, but I'll give you something that could potentially be addressed with math: what is the melting point of the yet-to-be-synthesized element 119?

An interesting question that you would have to melt the element firstly to find this melting point .  If you don't the math would be speculative and really meaningless .

However , we can assume even though we have little information to go off , that the element has mass and therefore a density . The denser the mass the harder it will me to melt  into a liquid .

But in all honesty they should discover the Ununennium before they make experiment to gain some maths .

Δ49b7ec09b3cb3e46404a5b4819a32279.gif does cover it though  :)

Because Δ49b7ec09b3cb3e46404a5b4819a32279.gif = ΔkE = ΔT = Δρ where p is density

Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Kryptid on 04/04/2019 00:26:36
An interesting question that you would have to melt the element firstly to find this melting point .  If you don't the math would be speculative and really meaningless .

Welp, there's one thing your equation can't answer.
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 04/04/2019 00:33:08
An interesting question that you would have to melt the element firstly to find this melting point .  If you don't the math would be speculative and really meaningless .

Welp, there's one thing your equation can't answer.
There's a few things it can't answer , it answers many other things but not all things , it evens answers human growth development from the fetal stage

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Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Bored chemist on 04/04/2019 07:31:30

It is your job to prove that it does explain things.

Ok, I've now altered it slightly

Lets ask it a question

Why does metal expand when heated ?

Δ6c3f0ff1f1bcbdbe1c026447c194df37.gif

Where U is internal energy volume 1 = 23f4a322f689afda861c3adecf325633.gif

And where u is external energy propagating through volume Vⁿ





OK, can you show why lead expands more on heating than steel does, but tungsten expands less than steel?
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 04/04/2019 11:20:48
OK, can you show why lead expands more on heating than steel does, but tungsten expands less than steel?

Not with that equation , your question is more specific  and independent from the equation . Your question is related to field density  and c.o.m
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 04/04/2019 14:56:42
Further information on my 5d model .

The 5D model is an advanced version of Albert Einstein's space-time continuum , it replaces the time dimension with entropy but I may change that to enthalpy , additionally it adds an energy dimension in considering that xyz is full of energy .

ΔV = Δ55648139d1d4c1dd67f7d3a54f16be36.gif or Δ8f654be4d8114a344f46a7e0906e0a11.gif

Expressed with my equation

ΔV = Δ 6c3f0ff1f1bcbdbe1c026447c194df37.gif


Added - Should I keep time and entropy , add enthalpy and have a 7D model ?

Einstein considered space-time energy and never added it as a dimension to his model , I'm filling in his ''blanks ''.

xyztESH 

Is my space-time analysis , 7 dimensions of interwoven space-time .


Added -  ;) lolz , enthalpy considers temperture , if I was change enthalpy H to temperature T

xyztEST

ahahah , that's pretty cool  8)

Added - Can you pass the xyztEST  = 6c3f0ff1f1bcbdbe1c026447c194df37.gif

I Passed basic physics  ;)





Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Bored chemist on 04/04/2019 18:42:06
OK, can you show why lead expands more on heating than steel does, but tungsten expands less than steel?

Not with that equation , your question is more specific  and independent from the equation . Your question is related to field density  and c.o.m
It failed to explain why you got the answer a million billion billion billion billion fold wrong.

It fails to do anything.
It fails to explain anything.
And you have the burden of proof the wrong way round anyway.
It is your job to prove that it does explain things.
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 04/04/2019 19:12:55
OK, can you show why lead expands more on heating than steel does, but tungsten expands less than steel?

Not with that equation , your question is more specific  and independent from the equation . Your question is related to field density  and c.o.m
It failed to explain why you got the answer a million billion billion billion billion fold wrong.

It fails to do anything.
It fails to explain anything.
And you have the burden of proof the wrong way round anyway.
It is your job to prove that it does explain things.

If you don't understand this MR C you fail basic physics .

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Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Bored chemist on 04/04/2019 19:53:06
If you think that's meaningful you fail basic physics.
What are the units of the quantities involved?
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 04/04/2019 21:55:44
If you think that's meaningful you fail basic physics.
What are the units of the quantities involved?

You fail ,
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Bored chemist on 04/04/2019 22:21:28
What are the units of the quantities involved?

Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 05/04/2019 00:12:48
What are the units of the quantities involved?



55648139d1d4c1dd67f7d3a54f16be36.gif+u / ec72c5008d723ab5c88b39ec7d37c97f.gif

V= 55648139d1d4c1dd67f7d3a54f16be36.gif = U

Added-

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72d32b1099b525fcab0895bbf05393d0.gif=p>0

Where ρ is density


Ε  709984ebecb9f2b9fdb6d3ce1f22e85c.gif  = ρ0






Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 05/04/2019 01:51:42
@Mr C , I've been thinking some more on Hydrogen combustion and I've reached a conclusion and can envision what happens in the process of combustion .

Considering a single hydrogen atom as the ''point'' of ignition ,

ΔH = ΔU + ρΔV = 2a5c2d62c9949cf798dbbe502f38f528.gif

The transitional phase is that the lower energy state surrounding volume of hydrogen is centripetally attracted to the higher energy state of ignition ''point' , this causing enthalpic pressure and friction imposed on that point ,  creating heat energy and the combustion chain reaction .

UF = (>U)

arr, so that is also why oxygen fuels fires , the oxygen atoms that are at a lesser energy state come rushing to the higher energy state of ignition causing collisions of particles that create the energizing glow of fire .

added- In further thought the interesting discovery from this is that we could possibly conclude friction can create a visible wave-length ~600-620nm  .











Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 05/04/2019 03:01:55
Hydrogen-Oxygen chain of combustion

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Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: The Spoon on 05/04/2019 11:14:57
What don't you have an answer too ?

There are a lot of things that we don't know yet, but I'll give you something that could potentially be addressed with math: what is the melting point of the yet-to-be-synthesized element 119?

An interesting question that you would have to melt the element firstly to find this melting point .  If you don't the math would be speculative and really meaningless .

However , we can assume even though we have little information to go off , that the element has mass and therefore a density . The denser the mass the harder it will me to melt  into a liquid .

But in all honesty they should discover the Ununennium before they make experiment to gain some maths .

Δ49b7ec09b3cb3e46404a5b4819a32279.gif does cover it though  :)

Because Δ49b7ec09b3cb3e46404a5b4819a32279.gif = ΔkE = ΔT = Δρ where p is density


However , we can assume even though we have little information to go off , that the element has mass and therefore a density . The denser the mass the harder it will me to melt  into a liquid .
Thus demonstrating you don't understand what density is or how it relates to physico-chemical properties. Lead is denser than iron but has a lower melting point.
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 05/04/2019 11:40:06
Lead is denser than iron .

Ostensible , you don't understand how gravity works  or the transitional phase of chemical reactions and viscosity .

:G =

>U→←<U

<U→←>U

Just consider ''cold'' air ''falling'' to the earth or ''hot'' air rising to the stratosphere .

<U


>U






Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: The Spoon on 05/04/2019 12:07:03
Lead is denser than iron .

Ostensible , you don't understand how gravity works  or the transitional phase of chemical reactions and viscosity .

:G =

>U→←<U

<U→←>U

Just consider ''cold'' air ''falling'' to the earth or ''hot'' air rising to the stratosphere .

<U


>U







What do you mean ostensible? Do you even understand your new word?
Lead  - density: 11.34 g/cm3 Melting point: 327.46 C
Iron - density 7.874 g/cm3 melting point: 1538 C

What is the relevance of the rest of your post pigeon head?
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 05/04/2019 12:26:20
What do you mean ostensible? Do you even understand your new word?Lead  - density: 11.34 g/cm3 Melting point: 327.46 CIron - density 7.874 g/cm3 melting point: 1538 C What is the relevance of the rest of your post pigeon head?
Ostensible means it at first appears to be true but on close inspection turns out not to be true .   


The rest, I've just shown the mechanics of gravity , you would need to understand this before you'd understand the ostensible .
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: The Spoon on 05/04/2019 12:47:30
What do you mean ostensible? Do you even understand your new word?Lead  - density: 11.34 g/cm3 Melting point: 327.46 CIron - density 7.874 g/cm3 melting point: 1538 C What is the relevance of the rest of your post pigeon head?
Ostensible means it at first appears to be true but on close inspection turns out not to be true .   


The rest, I've just shown the mechanics of gravity , you would need to understand this before you'd understand the ostensible .
I know what it means. It is your use of it that I am questioning e.g. using it as a noun 'the ostensible' suggests a lack of of understanding of basic English.

You have not shown an understanding of the mechanics of gravity. What you have shown is that you are wrong about how melting point relates to density and as usual you are trying to bullshit to cover your tracks.

Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Bored chemist on 05/04/2019 17:31:37
What are the units of the quantities involved?


Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Bored chemist on 05/04/2019 17:32:30
Hydrogen-Oxygen chain of combustion


* ho.jpg (13.59 kB . 342x239 - viewed 701 times)




So, it's not just physics you don't understand; you are also clueless about chemistry.
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 06/04/2019 13:42:27
Hydrogen-Oxygen chain of combustion


* ho.jpg (13.59 kB . 342x239 - viewed 701 times)






So, it's not just physics you don't understand; you are also clueless about chemistry.
You have no thinking ability Mr C , I had to redraw it for elsewhere as they had the same obtuse problem .


* h1.jpg (93.71 kB . 524x323 - viewed 422 times)ΔH = ΔF = Δp where p is pressure


You are all obtuse seriously , just soapy water and strange smells .



Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Bored chemist on 06/04/2019 13:49:16
It's not the drawing, as such, that's the problem.
The issue is the nonsense
For example, there seem to be 5 hydrogens and one oxygen in the first picture.
As I said, you must be pretty poor at chemistry to think that's' the right ratio to make water.

And in both pictures you have scribbled random characters on them with no indication of what they are meant to mean.

It would be less of a problem, but we actually know what the details of this reaction are, so we know exactly how wrong you are.



Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Bored chemist on 06/04/2019 13:50:13
You keep failing
In particular, you have repeatedly failed to address this

What are the units of the quantities involved?



Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 06/04/2019 13:51:39
It's not the drawing, as such, that's the problem.
The issue is the nonsense
For example, there seem to be 5 hydrogens and one oxygen in the first picture.
As I said, you must be pretty poor at chemistry to think that's' the right ratio to make water.

And in both pictures you have scribbled random characters on them with no indication of what they are meant to mean.

It would be less of a problem, but we actually know what the details of this reaction are, so we know exactly how wrong you are.




No there is lots of hydrogen and oxygen in the picture but you can't see it , the one's you can see are conceptual Mr C so you can see it .
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 06/04/2019 13:53:13
You keep failing
In particular, you have repeatedly failed to address this

What are the units of the quantities involved?




Ask a mathematician , I'm a theoretical physicist , not a mathematician , science can put in the values , I'm not going to do all the work for them , lazy I tell ya .
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Bored chemist on 06/04/2019 13:57:11



No there is lots of hydrogen and oxygen in the picture but you can't see it , the one's you can see are conceptual Mr C so you can see it .

So, you have provided a picture of hydrogen and oxygen- in which the hydrogen and oxygen are invisible.

Did you think that might be helpful somehow?
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Bored chemist on 06/04/2019 13:58:54
You keep failing
In particular, you have repeatedly failed to address this

What are the units of the quantities involved?




Ask a mathematician , I'm a theoretical physicist , not a mathematician , science can put in the values , I'm not going to do all the work for them , lazy I tell ya .
No.
Explaining what the terms in the equation and what the units should be is part of your job.
If you learned how to do it, you would see that what you posted can't be true.
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 06/04/2019 14:00:54



No there is lots of hydrogen and oxygen in the picture but you can't see it , the one's you can see are conceptual Mr C so you can see it .

So, you have provided a picture of hydrogen and oxygen- in which the hydrogen and oxygen are invisible.

Did you think that might be helpful somehow?

Oh my word , you are so obtuse , have you ever tried to draw something that's invisible to the eye ? 

The diagram demonstrates what's happening within a volume of hydrogen-oxygen when you ignite it .  The ''orange'' hydrogen is the ignition point, the surrounding volume if forced to big crunch at a very fast speed , this then pressures the ignition point to cause the reaction chain .  Learn some physics Mr C please .
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Bored chemist on 06/04/2019 14:23:11
Since you have made up some stuff that's wrong; then drawn it badly and written random symbols on it, it's not me that needs to learn physics.
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 06/04/2019 14:39:38
Since you have made up some stuff that's wrong; then drawn it badly and written random symbols on it, it's not me that needs to learn physics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusory_superiority

In the field of social psychology, illusory superiority is a condition of cognitive bias wherein a person overestimates their own qualities and abilities, in relation to the same qualities and abilities of other persons. Illusory superiority is one of many positive illusions, relating to the self, that are evident in the study of intelligence, the effective performance of tasks and tests, and the possession of desirable personal characteristics and personality traits


I just got banned elsewhere for telling the mod a few home truths about his illusory superiority , something most people in physics with an education suffer from .

The process I've explained involves gravity Mr C , the ignition point has greater mass/energy therefore attracts the lesser energy state surrounding volume of hydrogen and air .  It's how gravity works Mr C and I have had enough of science and their Dunning-Kruger obviousness .  They are really clueless  and obtuse , I can't believe how nave they are .  Yesterday elsewhere I destroyed the Hubble and the cosmological model of the big bang using their own theory .
Now I'm sick and tired of been treated by science as some fool , they have it wrong and are nave , not me .  I provide the objective evidence and correct semantics unbiased and undeluded .

You haven't a clue how the universe works , seriously .

I admit I'm crap at maths and I admit I don't always explain too well , I don't suffer from it at all .
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 06/04/2019 16:11:28
My ability is my envision of physical process , I do know my chit because I can bloody well see it .


* str.jpg (23.2 kB . 524x323 - viewed 403 times)

My 7D complete model is objectively a superior model to the present model because it has no shortfalls and conforms to present physics , explaining almost everything in the process .

ΔV = Δ1393d2cf57ebaf217fc21e4f48d18161.gif   :P


added -

A 1kg mass divided by V 10cm^3 = 1 / 10000 = 0.0001ρ

So 1kg + U 1kg =2kg  so 2kg / 10000 = 0.0002ρ


so 2kg / 20000 should equal 0.0001p  and it does . 0.0001p

See it works ...





Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Bored chemist on 06/04/2019 16:35:22
The process I've explained involves gravity Mr C , the ignition point has greater mass/energy therefore attracts the lesser energy state surrounding volume of hydrogen and air .
Flames work in zero gravity.
You haven't a clue how the universe works , seriously .
I know how one small bit of the universe works in at least one important way.
I know that gravity can no possibly be involved in the combustion of hydrogen, because it still works in free fall.

So I know that you are wrong; not because of any conceit on my part, but because that's what the evidence says.

So,  Dunning-Kruger it is; but not the way round you were thinking.

explaining almost everything in the process .
It has yet to explain anything.
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Bored chemist on 06/04/2019 16:42:45
because I can bloody well see it .
There are a number of words for people who see things that are not real.
One of the more polite ones is "deluded".
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 06/04/2019 16:45:50
Flames work in zero gravity.
It's not zero gravity , you're are not accounting for the flames mass.
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Bored chemist on 06/04/2019 16:49:44
Flames work in zero gravity.
It's not zero gravity , you're are not accounting for the flames mass.
Are there any more  straws you want to clutch at?
The gravitational forces involved in a hydrogen flame are tiny.
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 06/04/2019 18:13:03
Flames work in zero gravity.
It's not zero gravity , you're are not accounting for the flames mass.
Are there any more  straws you want to clutch at?
The gravitational forces involved in a hydrogen flame are tiny.

Relative to itself they are massive
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Bored chemist on 06/04/2019 18:39:20
Relative to itself they are massive
That doesn't actually mean anything.
The forces are still tiny.
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 06/04/2019 18:55:26
Relative to itself they are massive
That doesn't actually mean anything.
The forces are still tiny.
No , when you ignite the hydrogen you create a strong force at that point . E=UF

ad6ee44876c80081dfdd017e9b01e5ff.gif=0.0001j per point ?  Based on 10cm


Hmm, I get 90000J per point so 0.0001 kg must equal 90000J?

48208140d3540c5164e8ec3f88a1f8d4.gif = 55648139d1d4c1dd67f7d3a54f16be36.gif = 832e3012e240211acc4c56c6b54f4898.gif = 83b389560f12a309ea9b7e20ab43ef1d.gif=2b2cca696592a959217f9e2159063853.gif=900j per point = 0.000001kg per point

Scratches head .. :P

added- So the given point of ignition would have kE=0.000944076141J  so the total output is 944.076141J  and an increase of 44.076141j  of energy .

Added- Sorry I might have done that wrong , the result may be 8496685270J  of energy I'll have to rethink .

Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Bored chemist on 06/04/2019 19:48:56
Scratches head
That's because none of what you posted makes sense.
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 06/04/2019 19:50:24
Scratches head
That's because none of what you posted makes sense.
It does to me, sorry working out aloud .

A 1kg mass has 9*10^8 joules of energy yes ?  900000000J

Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Bored chemist on 06/04/2019 19:56:27
This teaching website gives a representation of what really happens.
https://learn.concord.org/resources/804/chain-reaction-between-hydrogen-and-oxygen

And here's the version you won't understand.
https://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlelanding/2018/cp/c7cp05639g#!divAbstract
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Bored chemist on 06/04/2019 19:57:05
A 1kg mass has 9*10^8 joules of energy yes ?  900000000J
No
Where did you get that silly idea?
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 06/04/2019 19:59:04
This teaching website gives a representation of what really happens.
https://learn.concord.org/resources/804/chain-reaction-between-hydrogen-and-oxygen

And here's the version you won't understand.
https://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlelanding/2018/cp/c7cp05639g#!divAbstract

Why would I need to use a link when I can think about what happens myself ?

Is my 1kg energy value correct  ?

Please humour me if nothing else .
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 06/04/2019 19:59:50
A 1kg mass has 9*10^8 joules of energy yes ?  900000000J
No
Where did you get that silly idea?
Search engine , best answer . 

What is it then  ?

Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 06/04/2019 20:03:41
1kg = 1000j is another answer I have ?
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 06/04/2019 20:10:23
If kg = 1000j

I now have a new measure kE=94.4076141J total 944076.141J

still not correct , I forgot do something

Added - no that is correct

8f654be4d8114a344f46a7e0906e0a11.gif  =  83b389560f12a309ea9b7e20ab43ef1d.gif = a1786cccebacb078412a0c23e4b955b6.gif = 0.1J per point = 0.000001kg per point

kE=F=9.81N  = 0.1* 9.81N = 94.4076141j

94.4076141j * 1000000 = 94407614.1j

A mass increase to 0.000944076141kg per point

added- might of done the mass increase incorrect , i'll think about that .



Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Kryptid on 06/04/2019 20:44:30
can your equation explain why there is much more matter in the Universe than antimatter?
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 06/04/2019 20:55:31
can your equation explain why there is much more matter in the Universe than antimatter?
You do realise anti matter is not required for the Universe ? 
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Bored chemist on 06/04/2019 21:12:18
What is it then  ?

It depends
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Kryptid on 06/04/2019 22:43:18
You do realise anti matter is not required for the Universe ? 

Even if that was true, it wouldn't explain why the Universe is almost all matter with very little antimatter.
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 07/04/2019 11:58:03
You do realise anti matter is not required for the Universe ?

Even if that was true, it wouldn't explain why the Universe is almost all matter with very little antimatter.
A proton is anti-matter relative to another proton , an electron is anti matter relative to another electron . 

Relative to a proton another proton has no mass

Relative to an electron another electron has no mass



Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Bored chemist on 07/04/2019 12:16:52
A proton is anti-matter relative to another proton
No it isn't.
an electron is anti matter relative to another electron
No it isn't.
Relative to a proton another proton has no mass
That doesn't mean anything.

Relative to an electron another electron has no mass
Nor does that.

Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 07/04/2019 12:24:27
A proton is anti-matter relative to another proton
No it isn't.
an electron is anti matter relative to another electron
No it isn't.
Relative to a proton another proton has no mass
That doesn't mean anything.

Relative to an electron another electron has no mass
Nor does that.


Hmm, yes they are , a proton repulses another proton , it is anti  and likewise an electron repulses another electron , it is anti .

There isn't any other anti matter unless you are going to make something up , saying it exists when it doesn't ?

Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Bored chemist on 07/04/2019 12:43:01
That's not what anti matter means, and you know it.
You already lost the argument about anti matter not existing, since we have pictures of it.
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 07/04/2019 12:44:51
That's not what anti matter means, and you know it.
You already lost the argument about anti matter not existing, since we have pictures of it.
Really ? Ok provide the pictures then !
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Bored chemist on 07/04/2019 12:55:48
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Trace-of-a-positron-in-a-cloud-chamber-In-a-sealed-vessel-filled-with-vapor-highly_fig2_271765113

It would be a whole lot better if you learned stuff rather than posting nonsense.
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 07/04/2019 13:01:05


It would be a whole lot better if you learned stuff rather than posting nonsense.
That's hilarious from a science who claims loads of garbage to be true .  You think that little squiggle of a diagram/ picture suppose to mean anti matter ?

How does one conclude such an odd thing ?





Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Bored chemist on 07/04/2019 13:11:12
How does one conclude such an odd thing ?
By doing what the grown ups call science.

Did you notice, there are 3 different squiggles?
One splits into two and the two spiral squiggles curl in opposite directions.
That opposite curvature induced by the magnetic field means that they must have opposite charges.
But the radii of curvature are pretty much the same- they must, therefore, have the same mass

Well if they both have the mass of an electron, but one has the opposite charge, it must be anti matter.

As I said, if you actually learned some science, rather than posting dross it would be better for everyone.
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 07/04/2019 13:16:42
How does one conclude such an odd thing ?
By doing what the grown ups call science.

Did you notice, there are 3 different squiggles?
One splits into two and the two spiral squiggles curl in opposite directions.
That opposite curvature induced by the magnetic field means that they must have opposite charges.
But the radii of curvature are pretty much the same- they must, therefore, have the same mass

Well if they both have the mass of an electron, but one has the opposite charge, it must be anti matter.

As I said, if you actually learned some science, rather than posting dross it would be better for everyone.
Well we know science makes lots of things up such as time dilation and the universe is expanding , so why should I think this any difference ? 

The squiggles you provided could mean other things such as cations and anions  or something else .  Seems a strange conclusion to me from so little .
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Bored chemist on 07/04/2019 13:23:44
Well we know science makes lots of things up such as time dilation and the universe is expanding ,
No.
Science didn't make those up.
The squiggles you provided could mean other things such as cations and anions  or something else .  Seems a strange conclusion to me from so little .
Yes, but that's because you don't understand it, isn't it?
No anion or cation would have a low enough mass to curve that tightly.
If you had done as I suggested and gone and learned stuff you wouldn't look so stupid.

Perhaps you should start now.
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 07/04/2019 13:30:03
Well we know science makes lots of things up such as time dilation and the universe is expanding ,
No.
Science didn't make those up.
The squiggles you provided could mean other things such as cations and anions  or something else .  Seems a strange conclusion to me from so little .
Yes, but that's because you don't understand it, isn't it?
No anion or cation would have a low enough mass to curve that tightly.
If you had done as I suggested and gone and learned stuff you wouldn't look so stupid.

Perhaps you should start now.
Perhaps you should start , ''Science didn't make those up'', that's hilarious , the universe expanding and time dilation is pure fantasy , made up .
Come back when you have some correct science to tell me , ok ?

Science is stupid not me...
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Bored chemist on 07/04/2019 13:37:11
The evidence shows that they exist.
So the evidence shows that you can't be right.
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 07/04/2019 13:38:54
The evidence shows that they exist.
So the evidence shows that you can't be right.
What evidence ?  You have no evidence of either .

See destroying big bang and hubble thread .
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Bored chemist on 07/04/2019 14:37:10
(Among other things) Red shift and  GPS.
So, yes, we have evidence.
Unfortunately, it seems you don't understand it.
As I keep saying; go and learn.
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 07/04/2019 15:09:19
(Among other things) Red shift and  GPS.
So, yes, we have evidence.
Unfortunately, it seems you don't understand it.
As I keep saying; go and learn.
The you don't understand malarkey , love it  .  I've already demonstrated the GPS is timing offset and redshift is of receding bodies , not space .  Try again ?
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Kryptid on 07/04/2019 15:15:06
Denying the existence of antimatter. Thebox never ceases to amaze me.
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 07/04/2019 15:21:05
Denying the existence of antimatter. Thebox never ceases to amaze me.
Denying something that is not necessarily  fact  is not nave that's all . I can explain the entire universe using protons and electrons so why the invention of or need for anti-matter ?

a+b = matter

Anti is a+a or b+b ,   I don't do make believe .
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Bored chemist on 07/04/2019 15:23:59
I've already demonstrated the GPS is timing offset and redshift is of receding bodies , not space
Really?
Where?
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Bored chemist on 07/04/2019 15:26:12
I can explain the entire universe using protons and electrons so why the invention of or need for anti-matter ?
OK, explain the use of PET imaging in medicine without the use of positrons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positron_emission_tomography
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 07/04/2019 15:28:37
I've already demonstrated the GPS is timing offset and redshift is of receding bodies , not space
Really?
Where?
I've demonstrated in the destroy Hubble thread using the Hubble theory to destroy it's own theory .  I've also demonstrated GPS in the destroying time dilation thread .

Why don't you admit you are a government employee and your aim is to try and put people off because you don't want somebody with  no formal qualification making science look stupid ?

Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Kryptid on 07/04/2019 15:29:40
I don't do make believe .

Says the guy who thought a deviantART picture was proof of aliens.
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 07/04/2019 15:29:55
I can explain the entire universe using protons and electrons so why the invention of or need for anti-matter ?
OK, explain the use of PET imaging in medicine without the use of positrons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positron_emission_tomography

Huh ? medicine isn't physics or explaining the universe .
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 07/04/2019 15:31:10
I don't do make believe .

Says the guy who thought a deviantART picture was proof of aliens.
Well actually , I think humans are proof of Alien existence , we didn't evolve from monkeys , we are reproducing  clones and engineered some how .
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Bored chemist on 07/04/2019 15:36:29
I can explain the entire universe using protons and electrons so why the invention of or need for anti-matter ?
OK, explain the use of PET imaging in medicine without the use of positrons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positron_emission_tomography

Huh ? medicine isn't physics or explaining the universe .
Medicine is part of the universe.
You said you can explain the universe.
That means you can explain PET imaging without using positrons.

Do so: or accept that you lied.
you don't want somebody with  no formal qualification making science look stupid ?
No risk of that round here.
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Bored chemist on 07/04/2019 15:37:13
I've demonstrated in the destroy Hubble thread using the Hubble theory to destroy it's own theory .  I've also demonstrated GPS in the destroying time dilation thread .
No.
You posted gibberish.
That's not the same thing.
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Bored chemist on 07/04/2019 15:37:55
I think humans are proof of Alien existence
And there you go again.
That's not a logical deduction.
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Bored chemist on 07/04/2019 15:39:24
Why don't you admit you are a government employee and your aim is to try and put people off
Because it's not true.
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 07/04/2019 15:44:50
Why don't you admit you are a government employee and your aim is to try and put people off
Because it's not true.
Well I don't personally believe you or you wouldn't be defending stuff I've quite clearly shown to be false .

Why do you feel you have to defend falsity ?
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Bored chemist on 07/04/2019 16:57:24
Why do you feel you have to defend falsity ?
I don't.
stuff I've quite clearly shown to be false .
What you have said is that all the bits of space that we can see are moving apart, and then further apart they are, the faster they move relative to eachother, but they are not expanding.

That's not going to convince a schoolkid, nevermind overturn science.
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Bored chemist on 07/04/2019 16:57:52
Medicine is part of the universe.
You said you can explain the universe.
That means you can explain PET imaging without using positrons.

Do so: or accept that you lied.
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Kryptid on 07/04/2019 17:37:15
Why don't you admit you are a government employee and your aim is to try and put people off because you don't want somebody with  no formal qualification making science look stupid ?

So now you're a conspiracy theorist too. Just like Yaniv, seeker3 and mad aetherist. Why must the science denialists invariably migrate in that direction?
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Bored chemist on 07/04/2019 17:42:20
Why must the science denialists invariably migrate in that direction?

I suspect it's the only way to deal with the contradiction.
That's a better question than many, but Im sure I'm not the only one waiting for Thebox to answer mine about positron imaging without using positrons.
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 07/04/2019 21:01:16
Why don't you admit you are a government employee and your aim is to try and put people off because you don't want somebody with  no formal qualification making science look stupid ?

So now you're a conspiracy theorist too. Just like Yaniv, seeker3 and mad aetherist. Why must the science denialists invariably migrate in that direction?
Well to be honest I know that's not true , myself and Mr C like to wind each other up a little bit but keeping decorum . 

Anyway , I've just gone to hyper envision mode and I'm going to show you all what the outer edge of time looks like .


Now the darkness you see in the nearer of the video is outer space , it is cold , really cold .  Absolute zero .  Now if you were unfortunately to go there passing the point where time ends , through the invisible boundary , you'd self annihilate out of existence , the density is zero .

Now on the farther side in the video is time energy and this time expanding exothermically , towards you as you look from outside . Time energy has a density of 1 but you don't know this and think it's zero , but that is because you are 1 too and equal so it does not impose force on you . 
Anyway , welcome to the darkside .

 :P


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Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Bored chemist on 07/04/2019 21:06:02
Well to be honest I know that's not true , myself and Mr C like to wind each other up
No
As I have said before, I wish you would stop cluttering the place up with nonsense.
Now, tell us how positron emission tomography works without using positrons.
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 07/04/2019 21:14:01
Well to be honest I know that's not true , myself and Mr C like to wind each other up
No
As I have said before, I wish you would stop cluttering the place up with nonsense.
Now, tell us how positron emission tomography works without using positrons.
Well I have no idea what that is so no comment  at this stage .  So you call demonstrating physics is wrong, is nonsense and clutter ? 

Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Bored chemist on 07/04/2019 21:53:09
So you call demonstrating physics is wrong
You have not done that.
For example, you have said that physics is wrong because it believes in antimatter.
To prove that physics is wrong about it, you have to explain how PET scans work.
In the real world, it's fairly simple. They rely on antimatter.




I have no idea what that is
Then you do not know enough to comment on the physics involving it.
So you are not in a position of
demonstrating physics is wrong
are you?

Since there's stuff you simply don't know, you can't rule out the fact that there's stuff that shows why you are wrong.
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 07/04/2019 22:29:48
So you call demonstrating physics is wrong
You have not done that.
For example, you have said that physics is wrong because it believes in antimatter.
To prove that physics is wrong about it, you have to explain how PET scans work.
In the real world, it's fairly simple. They rely on antimatter.




I have no idea what that is
Then you do not know enough to comment on the physics involving it.
So you are not in a position of
demonstrating physics is wrong
are you?

Since there's stuff you simply don't know, you can't rule out the fact that there's stuff that shows why you are wrong.
I said I could explain the universe without anti matter and there was no need for it .  I noticed you avoided the wrongs of the main issues though , tactically a good move . 
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Bored chemist on 08/04/2019 07:30:49
I said I could explain the universe without anti matter and there was no need for it . 
Well hurry up then.
Explain how the part of the universe called PET scanning works.

I noticed you avoided the wrongs of the main issues though
The main wrong here is your claim.

tactically a good move . 
It's not what people think of sa "tactic", but I will carry on pointing out that you are wrong.
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 09/04/2019 09:41:27
I said I could explain the universe without anti matter and there was no need for it .
Well hurry up then.
Explain how the part of the universe called PET scanning works.

I noticed you avoided the wrongs of the main issues though
The main wrong here is your claim.

tactically a good move .
It's not what people think of sa "tactic", but I will carry on pointing out that you are wrong.

Dunna worry yourself , I'm quitting again . Bored to death so I'm going do some real trolling instead , go do some mickey taking etc to have some fun .
 
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Kryptid on 09/04/2019 18:47:49
Dunna worry yourself , I'm quitting again

You'll be back.
Title: Re: 5d interwoven model and tensor force .
Post by: Thebox on 10/04/2019 20:04:29
Dunna worry yourself , I'm quitting again

You'll be back.
Only to tell  you I've gone politics , oh dear their ears will be burning , my mind on politics , I feel sorry for them !