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Title: What is inside a black hole.
Post by: Lance Canham on 17/04/2019 05:25:53
What is inside a black hole.

Those who wonder if there is another universe in there are not wrong in a way. If I'm right, Beyond the event horizon the small breaks down but as I say space is relevant being it is quashed as our physics break down it turns into a super small version of our large scale structure of the universe - Do what you would like with that from there - If my last argument in the ether thread is right then you know what's in a black hole.
Title: Re: What is inside a black hole.
Post by: flummoxed on 18/04/2019 14:34:41
What is inside a black hole.

Those who wonder if there is another universe in there are not wrong in a way. If I'm right, Beyond the event horizon the small breaks down but as I say space is relevant being it is quashed as our physics break down it turns into a super small version of our large scale structure of the universe - Do what you would like with that from there - If my last argument in the ether thread is right then you know what's in a black hole.

No one really knows. There are a lot of theories, if you expand on what you are thinking perhaps someone can help.
It could be all sorts of things, some more plausible than others.
 
Options include things like Singularities, wormholes to other locations. nothing, quantum foam, very dense something, alternative universes, radiation, donuts, jellys, unicorns etc

What takes your fancy?
Title: Re: What is inside a black hole.
Post by: Lance Canham on 18/04/2019 15:09:45
My fancy would be to simply know what's really going on - hell with the unicorns.  The space is all there so even though out here its one thing its not.  Just a thought.
Title: Re: What is inside a black hole.
Post by: Lance Canham on 19/04/2019 01:42:53
Is the space still there. 30 min after I left for work I questioned that.  If I go in there it brings many questions.  After an hour or two I came to the conclusion I can't think of a black hole like the reverse of bb - I think the space is squished out.

Or more the matter falls through it when your further out - I think (your physics probably describes it nice) that there is a point where it may break down but only so far - if black hole can be described as a particle im going to assume its the most fundamental of particles. So I think the space in atoms can be squeezed out once gravity overtakes the forces.

I don't think you can break the then tiny black holes apart So they must merge and there fore there should be one solid finite piece of matter in there taking up a finite amount of area the space is then compressed around that.

I tried to come up with a way to keep breaking down matter but once its a black hole(no matter how small) I can't see how you could break it or evaporate it without it merging.  Its not like the early universe in there (the matter is there the space is not)

Questions . What would it take to break a black hole (I don't think you can but I don't know) Wonders if I had A collider bigger than the universe and I smashed two AGN's together what would happen.

Question Whats a quark gluon plasma. If I go small is it stuff like stars and gas in a knot in the large scale structure. Seen from our vantage as hot exited  yet from below  stars and gas.   

Is a knot considered hot before it totally pools then considered cool.

My thinking ATM says a Black hole is a fundamental particle of matter at a given scale and can not be broke just built.

If the universe is 1s and 0s and space is a 0 then matter is a 1 and a black hole is a 1 a star or the earth is full of 1s and 0s

Just thinking searching for what works, Just rolling stuff around

In BB matter feels like it has room in the hole NOT
Title: Re: What is inside a black hole.
Post by: flummoxed on 19/04/2019 11:56:56
OK I will bite as I am going on holiday for a couple of weeks

The following is speculation.

Reversal of the inflationary big bang is be a good way to go. If gravity existed at the time of the inflation, inflation would not have happened. Space inflates produces matter then continues to expand, Reversing matter is ripped apart into its pre big bang phase, and space contracts at an inflationary rate, taking it out of existence, or through a wormhole perhaps as virtual particles to other locations in space as dark energy perhaps ?

energy/matter causes the apparent contraction of space around it. The more matter there is the more it contracts. Inside a black hole anything going in is first ripped apart spagettified. This goes for molecules individual atoms everything. What arrives in the middle of the Black hole is moving at least c and no longer experiences time or distance, like a photon. Kipp Thorne suggests the middle of a black hole there is a quantum foam. This could be like a spinning plasma ball supported by radiation. Perhaps this could take the shape of a donut, leaving absolutely nothing in the centre.

The following is speculating beyond the above speculation heading towards the unbelievable for some

All things might be connected to a certain extent.

Which might lead to a kind of wormhole to another dimension. Things like the ER=EPR conjecture come to mind.  Whiteholes feeding from Blackholes. We know real matter cannot pass through a wormhole to other regions of space. But what about virtual particles, or mysterious dark energy. Could the accelerated expansion of the universe be driven by black holes. What we see as the expansion of space might be analgous to a white hole.

The following is speculating beyond the above speculations heading towards the unbelievable for more than just some :)

Entanglement only allows information exchange, could blackholes be entangled with a membrane of space, which space time emerges from. 


OK Im packing and off on holiday Ate Logo!
Title: Re: What is inside a black hole.
Post by: Lance Canham on 20/04/2019 22:43:11
Change of thought. The Black hole is the god particle. Its Not pure matter But Maybe it is. Its Mass outside Spacetime.

All matter as we know it or yet willing to recognise if I'm right(dark matter) is built of Mass outside spacetime and spacetime itself.  The only way mass outside space time could be the colliding universe is if im in mass I see it as Spacetimes and I see space time as MAss and by doing that I see an expanding universe.

I do know  for positive a black hole is mass outside of spacetime. what I have a question about is The colliding universe - might have just rolled through my mind. Its only possible  if what I see here and there are the same when I think it through and try to place myself there.  If it can not be worked out that mass is a sort of -space time then so be it but it seems possible on first simple thought. Could be a unicorn or canal.

Matter as I know it and eventually as you know it is made of Mass out side space time and space time With the god particle of everything MAss outside space time and you all just took a pic of it.
Title: Re: What is inside a black hole.
Post by: guest39538 on 21/04/2019 10:40:40
What is inside a black hole.

Those who wonder if there is another universe in there are not wrong in a way. If I'm right, Beyond the event horizon the small breaks down but as I say space is relevant being it is quashed as our physics break down it turns into a super small version of our large scale structure of the universe - Do what you would like with that from there - If my last argument in the ether thread is right then you know what's in a black hole.
We are inside a BH along with many other things .  The main interior of a BH is an interwoven binary field made up of two individual components of elementary positive and negative charge , the binary nullified the measurement to measure 0 net charge .  Of course the field is  dense but unknowingly  to us as 0 density appears to be true but it is not .  It is just that you are equal and likewise to the field so there is no imposing force to restrict motion . 
Now we are lucky we don't have a huge area , because huge areas can effect the field ,  we are more like pins dropping in an ocean , not enough area to displace the field . 


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Title: Re: What is inside a black hole.
Post by: Lance Canham on 21/04/2019 12:19:01
We are inside a BH along with many other things .

in my own way I think I kind of am seeing that as Sort of True. I posted some stuff on physics help when I was over thinking the next level up - past the knots in the large scale structure of the universe - though he found my idea interesting - there was a problem with location as I could put myself somewhere else and see a collapsing universe. I then totally and most importantly was able to visualise it or comprehend it truly - it truly was BB above I only needed an odd bit extra mass in a given visible universe area to make it repeat.  My lesson  moving forward now is that I can figure out things (I HOPE) by making sure the assumption insures no matter where I am I see the same thing - Location can not be important.

ATM Im positive on dark matter and dark energy(as we understand it - im interested in why space is actually compressed) and the expansion rate increase(as we understand it -related to last brackets). So dark matter, dark energy, Increased expansion As we understand it.

Is mass the strength of the connection between 2 universes. The connection point is any black hole where we have Mass outside spacetime. A black hole is the god particle and everything is made of it and spacetime Ultimately at its smallest form.  This connection can only grow by merging with other connections.

Its almost like 2 universe slightly off dimension forming a 3 dimensional cloud of connections pooling. It works in that where ever mater is they are connected (matter built on the connections if it built on mass outside spacetime) so if im in a black hole I see what I see as I am and I'm not - weird -if im inside then outside in the same place is me.  LOL
Title: Re: What is inside a black hole.
Post by: guest39538 on 21/04/2019 12:47:24
so if im in a black hole I see what I see as I am and I'm not - weird -if im inside then outside in the same place is me.  LOL

If you exit a BH you can't see anymore is my opinion , light cannot escape a BH so photons can't enter your eyes , it would be as if space-time vanished in an instant as you left the event horizon , you'd see nothing but darkness outside of the spaceship window , you wouldn't know you was moving ,  eventually you might get lucky and enter another BH and be able see again .  Void space is dimensionless  , a scary oblivion .
Title: Re: What is inside a black hole.
Post by: Lance Canham on 21/04/2019 13:30:39
You make me think more - this may help - there is nothing past the event horizon for either universe. The area inside it is nothingness. If I could take a slice through its kind of like donut with nothing in the middle (that nothing is the strength of the connection) the top of the donut is our universe the bottom is the other. Matter is made of Mass outside spacetime and space time in varying complexities (means there is something else) another space time. Means it connects everywhen at these spherical like donuts(mass outside timespace) if I cut a slice through in any given plane(Hope im explaining right). this  means there is 2 identical universes touching at blackholes (canceling out in the sphere of nothing). Means I don't see myself in the hole but there is an identical me on the other side of the fold in the same place
Title: Re: What is inside a black hole.
Post by: Lance Canham on 21/04/2019 14:39:09
Epiphany - did I just find the missing anti matter