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Title: QM existed before Spacetime and Depth
Post by: pittsburghjoe on 30/05/2019 00:47:32
Spacetime = classical/relativity
QM = waves

Our singularity (big bang) initiated in an existing Quantum Field of virtual particles.

If everything in the beginning was waves, does it help explain the insane expansion rate right after the singularity? Spacetime didn't exist until after inflation? ..maybe when the singularly became large enough to be observed? Was the very first observable event the creation of Spacetime?

This is about the half of QM that physicists don't like to talk about, when an object in superposition can only be described as math waves. The question of what matter is while in that state has chewed away at me for years. I think I found the answer; Quantum objects literally swap to waves when disconnected from Spacetime. Yes, that's right, I'm saying QM floats above the fabric of Spacetime. Observation grants quantum objects partial/temporary Spacetime.

An unspecified/unknown number of chemically bounded atoms are always anchored to Spacetime.

When we zoom into a large object, those atoms bonded together are not going to display quantum weirdness. If we separated a single atom from that object, it is suddenly too small to inhibit Spacetime. I knew it was losing a dimension of some type and originally assumed a 3D object was turning into 2D (something without depth is invisible to us) ..but then the math said it actually retains its 3D (u/racinreaver). It dawned on me that objects without Spacetime are also invisible to us. I then looked at the uncertainty principle and realized that the particle was not completely inhabiting Spacetime.

If my hypothesis is correct, something should be strange about time for quantum objects ..and it is.
Maybe something in superposition doesn't age.
They won't ever find quantum gravity.

I like to think doing an experiment that shows the Uncertainty Principle also shows a dimension not fully realized (wave isn't fully collapsed ..or doesn't fully possess the full dimension of Spacetime.)

We are looking in the wrong place to quantize time and gravity. We should be able to find the QM/Spacetime divide by sending larger and larger groups of bonded atoms into an Uncertainty principle experiment, when groups with momentum stop being fuzzy, we will have our number.

This will probably give new insights into virtual particles, dark energy, dark matter, and the big bang.

It seems replicating my theory is the best approach to making a quantum computer:
https://phys.org/news/2019-05-continuum.html (https://phys.org/news/2019-05-continuum.html)
Title: Re: QM existed before Spacetime and Depth
Post by: pittsburghjoe on 31/05/2019 02:01:37
When something doesn't have time, gravity, and 3D ..what makes you think spacetime is involved? I'm talking about QM objects when they are unobserved and are considered waves. Have you considered QM might not exist within the fabric of spacetime?

The Wave function wouldn't result in probabilities if it was possible to include spacetime. QM waves do not use spacetime, they do not need anything from spacetime to continue existing.

These guys acknowledge the possibility of QM existing before the big bang https://phys.org/news/2019-05-stabilizing-no-boundary-universe-quantum.html You would think the next logical step is that QM isn't part of Spacetime.

Gravity is a property of spacetime. QM is not a property of spacetime. Gravity doesn't get involved until something is observable.

Is spacetime mostly flat due to it not coming into being until after the big bang? Everything before that was quantum waves?

Does the holographic principle only apply to QM? Anything going into a blackhole is likely becoming quantum sized. Could we say matter going in gets turned into quantum waves? Is that what dark matter is, large groups of unbonded atoms that are quantum waves ..or just matter that refuses to inhabit spacetime? A type of matter that can't be pulled in with observation.

Entanglement is obviously not a property of Spacetime. Spooky action at a distance can happen because QM doesn't have time like we experience and the particles are likely connected via a QM wave that could stretch to infinity if needed.
Title: Re: QM existed before Spacetime and Depth
Post by: pittsburghjoe on 31/05/2019 23:41:53
One day we will know the Quantum Wavelength that sits at the Quantum-Classical Boundary ..the line where Spacetime starts.

Is abbe's diffraction limit also the limit to spacetime? Anything smaller doesn't have to adhere to the laws of relativity. It's waves until it is observed. Observation seems to be a property of spacetime. Or they are one and the same, can't tell yet.

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the fine structure constant, usually written as alpha, governs the strength of magnetic interactions. It is about 0.007297. What makes this number odd is that if it were any different, stable matter wouldn't exist.
I find this very interesting as it transcends QM to Spacetime.
Title: Re: QM existed before Spacetime and Depth
Post by: pittsburghjoe on 02/06/2019 15:13:58
This is where I start going off the deep end:
If Observation is a property of Spacetime and QM was here before the Big Bang ..what purpose does Spacetime serve? Was it artificially set by a god? Did a god figure out how to turn clumped together waves into spacetime? Is spacetime mostly flat because it took the first conscious being to initiate it? Are we here to entertain a god that has only time to waste? I'd say all our observations would make for compelling TV. If you agree that observation is a big part of Spacetime, it becomes difficult to see a reason other than a god being involved.

"God doesn't play dice" ..because he/she built spacetime above QM.

Gravity is weak, because it's only as strong as it needs to be for spacetime. If Gravity is a programmed variable, then so is Time.

If our universe started from a black hole in another universe ..does the parent universe also have spacetime? Do our blackholes have spacetime?
Title: Re: QM existed before Spacetime and Depth
Post by: Kryptid on 02/06/2019 23:00:11
I can say that there is no such thing as "before time". It's an oxymoron.
Title: Re: QM existed before Spacetime and Depth
Post by: pittsburghjoe on 02/06/2019 23:15:32
QM doesn't use time ..and it was here before spacetime.
Title: Re: QM existed before Spacetime and Depth
Post by: Kryptid on 03/06/2019 01:47:36
QM doesn't use time ..and it was here before spacetime.

That's still an oxymoron. Terms like "before" and "after" have no meaning without time.
Title: Re: QM existed before Spacetime and Depth
Post by: pittsburghjoe on 03/06/2019 02:10:44
QM says otherwise

We are entering the Scientific Age of the Divide
Forget String Theory ..time for Wave Theory
Title: Re: QM existed before Spacetime and Depth
Post by: Kryptid on 03/06/2019 04:15:17
QM says otherwise

Where does quantum mechanics say that? Give me a direct quote from a reputable source (as well as a link to the source).

Do you even know what the word "before" means?
Title: Re: QM existed before Spacetime and Depth
Post by: pittsburghjoe on 03/06/2019 22:57:18
I was hoping this thread would blow some minds, if I haven't got you yet then keep reading: The realm of QM is true infinity, QM doesn't need Spacetime (Time (our version of it), Gravity, 3D) to continue functioning. Spacetime was built/programmed on top of QM, QM is the operating system, if you will. We never would have known about QM weirdness if it wasn't for the limitation/dependence of observation for spacetime to exist. It's ridiculous to think our universe is expanding in pure nothingness anyways.
Title: Re: QM existed before Spacetime and Depth
Post by: pittsburghjoe on 04/06/2019 01:38:45
You guys must be super curious what I think about black holes at this point (sarcasm): When a ginormous star collapses on a single point, the force is so extreme that it causes a QM bubble to scale in Spacetime that does not have to adhere to the rules of the QM/Spacetime divide. Like typical QM objects, it can't be observed but can pull in anything close to it. When two black holes merge, it's just the QM bubble getting more massive.
Title: Re: QM existed before Spacetime and Depth
Post by: pittsburghjoe on 04/06/2019 13:28:16
Doesn't this all fit together? Can I get a "yeah, maybe" from someone?
I can't understand why no one seems to care about this? What more could you possibly want from a "New Theories" sub forum? Do you know how monumental this is if true? You aren't going to formulate a Theory of Everything without this key knowledge. Can you answer any long standing scientific quandaries if you consider this thread real? How does anyone, in their right mind, think quantum weirdness events occur within Spacetime? I know human nature says to keep zooming in ..I'm here to snap you out of it.
Title: QM existed before Spacetime and Depth
Post by: EddieSWog on 09/06/2019 02:49:00
Are there any theories that describe mass as a product of curved spacetime instead of curved spacetime being a product of mass?
Title: Re: QM existed before Spacetime and Depth
Post by: pittsburghjoe on 09/06/2019 03:01:17
You are questioning Einstein's theory of relativity? I already said spacetime = relativity. QM doesn't have mass (only mass as a variable), only waves.
Title: Re: QM existed before Spacetime and Depth
Post by: pittsburghjoe on 13/06/2019 03:27:15
I now wonder if all waves are mechanical waves, in that, they all travel through a medium. QM waves might propagate through a vector grid of QFT ..the same medium where quantum fluctuations occur. Why is everyone fine with light being EM waves when unobserved, but don't want to admit to matter waves existing? Though, matter waves must be much more complex ..EM waves won't cut it, more likely to be layers of quantum fields.
Title: Re: QM existed before Spacetime and Depth
Post by: Kryptid on 13/06/2019 04:26:34
Why is everyone fine with light being EM waves when unobserved, but don't want to admit to matter waves existing?

Who said they didn't? It's well-accepted that electrons and protons have wave-like properties as well.
Title: Re: QM existed before Spacetime and Depth
Post by: pittsburghjoe on 13/06/2019 13:15:21
They want to say it's matter AND waves at the same time. I say they swap dependent on spacetime involvement ..including EM waves to light.
Title: Re: QM existed before Spacetime and Depth
Post by: pittsburghjoe on 15/06/2019 15:58:07
If matter waves are only waves of variables/information and their amplitude propagate along a 2D plane ..it's all the more reason to believe observation/spacetime converts the information to reality. If QM represents information, Spacetime was built on top of it.
Title: Re: QM existed before Spacetime and Depth
Post by: pittsburghjoe on 19/06/2019 15:51:58
It occurred to me that Dark Energy is quantum and also existed before the big bang / spacetime. I'm starting to think there isn't a reason for spacetime to exist without something intelligent implementing it. The infinite dimension of information waves was doing just fine without spacetime making everything physical.

There is a good chance the following is true:
Dark Energy = QM Energy Waves
Dark Matter = QM Matter Waves

I think the big bang was the start of spacetime on top of a pre-established dimension of information waves. Dark Energy and Dark Matter remained quantum as they don't hold enough information (size) to be made physical/visible by spacetime.
Title: Re: QM existed before Spacetime and Depth
Post by: pittsburghjoe on 29/06/2019 20:41:55
Hey look https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2019/06/29/ask-ethan-what-does-it-mean-that-quantum-gravity-has-no-symmetry/#289ea70b3dab
They are starting to get that QM doesn't have gravity.