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Title: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 22/09/2019 17:36:22
Unobserved waves are unphysical, but ones with state change experience duality and get spacetime involved. Observation doesn't always mean Quantum Observation. What matters is if a state change happens. State is a binary physicality variable. I'm now questioning if it's even necessary to declare observation is involved in the double slit. It's accepted that observation means measurement ..but all the experiment cares about is a waves state change while its moving (and is allowed to continue moving). Observation would just be something that occurred after the experiment was over. It didn't influence the outcome.  A wave would never reach something able to change its state ..unless there were two instances of state changes in its path (which-way eraser).

I found a new quantum trick the unobservable is able to achieve. While a new wave formulates, it is able to know if its state will change during its journey ..before it even starts to move. The unobservable is all time, all the time for a physicality variables. Unobserved quantum waves not having spacetime is a very big deal. Without time from spacetime, its life is instantaneous. The delayed choice quantum eraser demonstrates this. The only way the first entangled particle knows if the partner will ever be observed is if the state is known for the life of both entangled particles.

Is quantum which-way information the real cause?
Which-way has nothing to do with it. The final panel is wave collapse and doesn't effect the outcome like a state change does.I figured out what is happening in an experiment that is "erasing" the "which-way" (with a polarizer). A Double slit with opposite polarizers ..and then an extra polarizer down the line acting as a "eraser";
State (physicality) of a particle is decided while it's being created. State changes are detected preemptively. When two detectors are in its path, its state would be changing twice. In this case, the particle is sent as an unobserved wave. What we are witnessing is what happens when a quantum wave actually goes through double slits and do not interact with polarizers. Proving that a polarizer only effects physical photon light because a single state change would have sent a physical photon at the double slits to go through a single slit.

I asked the forbidden question in physics and found a bridge to reality.or should I say it's a bridge to the simulation? Spacetime may be an analog simulation built on the quantum field. It doesn't make any sense for light to have a speed limit. Spacetime must have a frame rate. If Spacetime is a simulation, State is the object being added to the program. Perhaps the frame rate is based off the speed something can be observed. Somewhere around 0.3 μm (micrometers) naturally gives a object a physical state. This is the distance light can travel in a femtosecond. This would mean spacetime has a frame rate of 1,000,000,000,000,000 frames per second. Don't bring up Planck, it isn't the size that determines if something is automatically physical.

The Higgs Field is nothing special. It's just another field in the Quantum Field that interacts with Spacetime when the object needs to be physical.
Black holes spaghettify matter and turn its physicality state off. Dark matter is matter that doesn't have the ability to have a physical state.Black holes are not deleting information, it's just making it unobservable. The holographic principle sounded like a long shot anyways.
Title: Unobservedstateless/unphysical Quantum Waves Statephysical SpacetimeGR
Post by: BeJimmiecot on 22/09/2019 18:37:20
Can any Canadian here help me to know whether University of Waterloojoined with Institute of Quantum computing admits students during Spring and winter session for PHD program in Quantum information/Physics?
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Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 22/09/2019 19:46:56
Somewhere around 0.3 μm (micrometers) naturally gives a object a physical state.
Nonsense, you can be killed by things that are smaller than that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parvovirus#Examples_of_parvoviruses
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 22/09/2019 19:56:20
I'm not 100% on the exact size, I just know there is one. That said, there isn't anything preventing a virus to kill when it has a state of physicality.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 22/09/2019 21:38:50
a state of physicality.
You use that word a lot.
What do you think it means?
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 22/09/2019 21:47:47
Unobserved quantum waves are not real world physical. They do have physical properties as variables though.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 22/09/2019 21:52:34
Unobserved quantum waves are not real world physical
And again, what do you mean by these?
" real world physical"
"Unobserved quantum waves"

Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 22/09/2019 21:53:54
That said, there isn't anything preventing a virus to kill when it has a state of physicality.
You said it was too small to have one.
And you still haven't said what that state is.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 22/09/2019 21:54:22
I'm not 100% on the exact size, I just know there is one.
Why?
Faith?
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 22/09/2019 21:57:55
Unobserved quantum waves are not real world physical
And again, what do you mean by these?
" real world physical"
"Unobserved quantum waves"

Not sure why you are playing dumb here.
Physical means it has structure or depth.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 22/09/2019 22:00:54
So, music, which has structure and depth is physical.
Electrons which, as far as we know, have no structure or depth are not physical.

It isn't that I am being  dumb.
It's that  you can't do science unless you have very careful definitions of words, and you don't have a clear enough understanding of what you are talking about. If you had, you could tell  me what the words mean.
.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 22/09/2019 22:31:06
I know there is a certain size because a baseball has never gone into superposition.
An electron with a physical state would be like light that is a photon.
A virus usually isn't in an environment that allows it be unobserved.
Music is a mechanical wave, maybe the air gets physical states.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: jeffreyH on 22/09/2019 22:44:12
So this is sci fi math then. Fictitious?
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Colin2B on 22/09/2019 23:10:26
I know there is a certain size because a baseball has never gone into superposition.
How do you know that?

An electron with a physical state would be like light that is a photon.
This doesnít make sense. An electron beam is a very physical thing, but behaves like a wave.

A virus usually isn't in an environment that allows it be unobserved.
So how often have you observed one?
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 22/09/2019 23:16:13
I know there is a certain size because a baseball has never gone into superposition.
How do you know that?
that's comical

An electron with a physical state would be like light that is a photon.
This doesnít make sense. An electron beam is a very physical thing, but behaves like a wave.
Duality is allowed in my theory.

A virus usually isn't in an environment that allows it be unobserved.
So how often have you observed one?
You would need a vacuum to get it to be a matter wave.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Colin2B on 23/09/2019 08:29:43
that's comical
Not really. You made a statement, Iím asking how you know.

Duality is allowed in my theory.
Doesnít help you, both particles and waves are very physical.

You would need a vacuum to get it to be a matter wave.
That doesnít make sense. Are you saying that viruses change form in a vacuum? Nothing suggests that vacuum is involved in any state changes at quantum level, nor that viruses are quantum objects.

This is clearly a New Theory and my feeling is you donít know enough to discuss this sensibility.
So Iím out.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 23/09/2019 14:39:43

Duality is allowed in my theory.
Doesnít help you, both particles and waves are very physical.

It most certainly does. Unobserved waves are not physical. You have zero proof that they are. They contain the necessary info if it needs to become physical.. but it is not real world physical.

You would need a vacuum to get it to be a matter wave.
That doesnít make sense. Are you saying that viruses change form in a vacuum? Nothing suggests that vacuum is involved in any state changes at quantum level, nor that viruses are quantum objects.

This is clearly a New Theory and my feeling is you donít know enough to discuss this sensibility.
So Iím out.

I'm saying what is required to make something unobserved.

And yes, please don't come back with your antiquated ideas.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 23/09/2019 19:09:32
And yes, please don't come back with you antiquated ideas.
I realise that common sense is an antiquated idea, but it's still very helpful.

We are still waiting for you to explain how you know that " a baseball has never gone into superposition."

Are you saying that you don't understand how it might do so?
That would seem consistent with the other ignorant things you say.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 23/09/2019 19:10:28
I'm saying what is required to make something unobserved.
You are failing to say anything.
What you are doing is stringing together words in ways that make no sense (or are trivially false)
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 23/09/2019 19:12:13
I'm saying what is required to make something unobserved.
You are failing to say anything.
What you are doing is stringing together words in ways hat make no sense (or are trivially false)
Unobserved waves are not physical.
You are repeatedly failing to to tell us what you think "not physical" means.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 23/09/2019 19:21:24
And yes, please don't come back with you antiquated ideas.
I realise that common sense is an antiquated idea, but it's still very helpful.

We are still waiting for you to explain how you know that " a baseball has never gone into superposition."

Are you saying that you don't understand how it might do so?
That would seem consistent with the other ignorant things you say.

I am saying whatever is saying it might do so is obviously wrong.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 23/09/2019 19:23:00
I'm saying what is required to make something unobserved.
You are failing to say anything.
What you are doing is stringing together words in ways that make no sense (or are trivially false)

Matter waves decohere at the drop of a hat
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 23/09/2019 19:25:38
I'm saying what is required to make something unobserved.
You are failing to say anything.
What you are doing is stringing together words in ways hat make no sense (or are trivially false)
Unobserved waves are not physical.
You are repeatedly failing to to tell us what you think "not physical" means.

Oh, special needs kids run this site.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 23/09/2019 19:26:23
And yes, please don't come back with you antiquated ideas.
I realise that common sense is an antiquated idea, but it's still very helpful.

We are still waiting for you to explain how you know that " a baseball has never gone into superposition."

Are you saying that you don't understand how it might do so?
That would seem consistent with the other ignorant things you say.

I am saying whatever is saying it might do so is obviously wrong.
So, you don't understand how it would happen.
Why not just admit that?
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 23/09/2019 19:27:00
I'm saying what is required to make something unobserved.
You are failing to say anything.
What you are doing is stringing together words in ways hat make no sense (or are trivially false)
Unobserved waves are not physical.
You are repeatedly failing to to tell us what you think "not physical" means.

Oh, special needs kids run this site.
You might want to have a look at the rules regarding insulting groups of people.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 23/09/2019 19:29:05
I understand the wave function/uncertainty. My theory says it needs updated.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 23/09/2019 20:43:01
My theory says it needs updated.
On the basis of what actual evidence?
What does the established theory say which is demonstrably wrong?
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 23/09/2019 23:02:46
There isn't any evidence of a baseball in superposition. That's ridiculous.
My theory is how the theory of the very large meets the theory of the very small.
State is all that matters.
I thought this was something people wanted to exist?
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 24/09/2019 17:45:23
There isn't any evidence of a baseball in superposition. That's ridiculous.
There is no evidence  saying that a baseball can't be in a superposition.
What you are focussing on there is your opinion, rather than scientific evidence.

That's a bad plan even when competent scientists do it and you seem to be neither.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 24/09/2019 18:37:00
I guess common sense has no roll in science. That baseball has a fulltime variable of physicality.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 24/09/2019 18:47:11
Quantum mechanics isn't a good place to rely on common sense.
I rather like the idea of a baseball superposition.
You can imagine something like Schrodinger's cat, but with a baseball imperilled by a suspended axe.
Same concept- less hassle from the animal rights people.

So, as I have said, the problem here is your lack of understanding.
Just because you can't think of a way that a baseball could be in a superposition doesn't mean that others can't think of one, and it certainly doesn't mean that no such superposition can exist..
(It just means you don't understand the subject; but we knew that).


Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 24/09/2019 18:48:35
roll
Role



fulltime variable of physicality.
Word salad.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 24/09/2019 18:51:18
Oh you think the cat magically goes into superposition when something can domino effect its death ..lol
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 24/09/2019 18:54:29
Oh you think the cat magically goes into superposition when something can domino effect its death ..lol
No, I think the the cat quantum mechanically goes into superposition.
Lying about what I think is unhelpful
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 24/09/2019 18:57:29
Yeah, uh, you might want to rethink why a cat belongs in that equation
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 24/09/2019 19:18:19
Yeah, uh, you might want to rethink why a cat belongs in that equation
As far as I could tell from a quick look, the only "equation" on this page is the meaningless one in your title.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 24/09/2019 19:37:35
Ask yourself if state could be the missing key we have been looking for. I can't handle people unwilling to even consider it.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 24/09/2019 19:58:14
It is impossible for me, or anyone else to do that- because you have not defined "state" (or a whole lot of other words you use).
If you make it impossible for people to consider your idea (by making it incomprehensible) and you can't handle people who won't consider it, you set yourself up to fail.

That's not anyone else's fault, is it?

Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 24/09/2019 20:04:15
Jesus. State = physical = is not in the form of unobserved quantum information/variables or quantum field excitations
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 25/09/2019 20:38:56
Jesus. State = physical = is not in the form of unobserved quantum information/variables or quantum field excitations
Thanks for demonstrating that a major part of the issue here is that you are unable to write clearly.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 25/09/2019 21:15:46
If you are saying you understand now. Please read over it again and give feedback.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 25/09/2019 21:20:46
No.
I'm saying that you still can't clearly say what you mean.
Please try using actual sentences.
Start off by saying what you are talking about.
For example, are you really talking about music, or did you just write something that was so unclear that you might have been- but nobody could tell?
Or, as I suspect, you have so little idea what you are talking about that you are not sure if music is included or not.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 26/09/2019 15:33:41
State is the on/off switch for getting spacetime involved and setting the object to be physical or not. The state is set before the object is done being created ..before it starts moving.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 26/09/2019 19:32:58
State is the on/off switch for getting spacetime involved
Do you actually think  that "State is the on/off switch for getting spacetime involved " means something, or are you trolling?

Just for a start, the state of what? Kentucky?
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 26/09/2019 20:08:11
Does "spin state" ring a bell? Spin is detected on a final panel ..wave collapse, but the state is what it was while it was moving.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 26/09/2019 20:16:00
Does "spin state" ring a bell?
Yes, but there are now two problems.
This
"spin State is the on/off switch for getting spacetime involved and setting the object to be physical or not. " does not make sense and  you have still not said what entity you are talking about the state of.

Spin is detected on a final panel
Not always.
You can, for example, determine it spectroscopically.
but the state is what it was while it was moving.
One particle with spin is the photon.
It only exists when it's moving.
So your idea says nothing.

Are you trolling, or do you just have no idea what you are talking about?
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 26/09/2019 20:35:30
What you are saying is that you don't understand what the delayed choice quantum eraser is telling us.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 26/09/2019 20:43:42
What I'm saying is that it's impossible to tell what you mean.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 27/09/2019 21:46:06
I've been refining this idea for several years. I know you are a bully but also an intelligent guy. So after explaining it five different ways, I'm gonna havta say it requires an temporary open mind.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 28/09/2019 01:19:56
So after explaining it five different ways,
Not. Even. Once.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 28/09/2019 16:33:59
Maybe you need to see it to believe it. Set up a tunneling experiment and a double slit with opposite polarizers where the particle exits the barrier and then have a final panel. If I'm correct, you should not get any results on the final panel. The particle would be physical due to the double slit and would never tunnel.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 28/09/2019 16:48:46
Maybe you need to explain it.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 28/09/2019 17:25:35
That's not working. Do the experiment and you will come to the same conclusion I did.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 28/09/2019 17:33:47
That's not working.
How do you know?
It's not as if you have tried.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 28/09/2019 17:41:04
If you do the experiment you will change your mind on being difficult. The implications of this theory would turn physics on its head, aren't you even curious?
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 28/09/2019 17:58:16
You don't have a theory.

Why don't you actually explain your ideas?

Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 28/09/2019 18:41:12
Do the experiment and you get the idea/theory on your own.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 28/09/2019 19:05:50
Until you actually get to grips with explaining things, nobody is going to do the experiment- because you haven't said what it is or what it's for.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 28/09/2019 19:18:07
Physical objects don't tunnel
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 28/09/2019 19:24:29
Physical objects don't tunnel
Yes they do.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_tunnelling#Applications
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 28/09/2019 19:38:30
::rolls eyes::
Wave collapse is the final panel, it doesn't mean it was physical in flight.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 28/09/2019 19:48:50
Wave collapse is the final panel, it doesn't mean it was physical in flight.
When you feel like actually explaining what you mean by that, come back and tell us.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 28/09/2019 19:53:51
Wave collapse and state change are two different things. Wave collapse has no effect on the particles state while in flight. Every quantum experiment shows this. You can't judge if something was physical in flight based on the final panel.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 28/09/2019 20:04:09
If and when you finally get round to telling us what you think "physical" means we can consider whether or not you are right.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 28/09/2019 20:06:08
Wow, dude, you desperately don't want this to be a real thing.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 28/09/2019 20:17:37
You desperately don't want to tell us what you are talking about.
Until you do that, nobody can hope to tell if it's a thing or not.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 28/09/2019 20:22:50
Are you getting that you doing the experiment is the only way you will listen?
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 28/09/2019 22:15:31
Are you getting that you doing the experiment is the only way you will listen?
No, what I'm getting is the impression you are a troll.
You keep telling me to do the experiment.
But you won't say what the experiment is.

Are you really too stupid to understand how that's a problem that only you can fix?
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 28/09/2019 22:36:15
Is there anyone else reading this that can defend my honor? Bored is obviously under some type of spell that doesn't allow him to read the truth.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 28/09/2019 22:39:33
Is there anyone out there who can explain to scifimath that he needs to explain WTF he is on about?
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 03/10/2019 23:52:25
Duality doesn't occur unless the object in question has a state of physicality.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 04/10/2019 07:20:46
has a state of physicality.
You still keep failing to say what that means.
Why do you keep pointing out that you are a failure?
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 05/10/2019 22:53:40
Reality allows physicality to be described by information ..but to be an analog/physical object is another story.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 06/10/2019 09:33:52
Reality allows physicality to be described by information
Good.
Please provide the information and describe it.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 06/10/2019 14:25:12
Objects with a physical state are not allowed to see this unobservable information. ACCESS DENIED
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 06/10/2019 14:36:21
Objects with a physical state are not allowed to see this unobservable information. ACCESS DENIED
So, it's not science then.
Why post it here?
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 06/10/2019 15:34:07
It's science that you refuse to acknowledge. It's very strange that you don't want the whole picture of reality.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 06/10/2019 16:04:09


s very strange that you don't want the whole picture of reality.
I keep asking you about it, but you refuse to say.
You talk nonsense like this

Objects with a physical state are not allowed to see this unobservable information. ACCESS DENIED

And it's becoming increasingly clear that you don't answer because you can't.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 06/10/2019 16:27:26
Hmm, I'm wondering now if unobserved qm is even waves. What if wave behavior doesn't occur unless duality is activated in its flight/timeline? Duality is achieved by a state change.

The unobservable is only Quantum Field Excitations when left alone.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 06/10/2019 16:41:28
I guess it makes sense for Quantum Field Excitations to be what unobserved waves are.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 06/10/2019 16:52:09
If Spacetime is analog ..does that make the Quantum Field digital?
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 06/10/2019 17:06:22
Well, until you actually tell us what you think you are talking about, nobody will know.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 06/10/2019 17:29:51
You are such a jerk. I'm attempting to explain the unobservable, because apparently that is the only way you will listen to anything I have to say.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 06/10/2019 18:00:29
I'm attempting to explain the unobservable,
Why bother?
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 09/10/2019 02:19:03
Apparently, there is something called a "matter field". I wonder if this has something to do with my state of physicality business.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 09/10/2019 03:39:15
I can start saying the state of matter from the matter field determines if a particle will be physical in flight.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 09/10/2019 23:52:03
Unobserved(stateless | unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(Matter Field | physical) = Spacetime(GR)

So the quantum field is actually several fields combined. Is the Matter Field the key/hook to spacetime? The state of this matter field would be the part of the quantum fields that is instantaneous (all time, all the time). A binary on/off switch. An experiment (which way eraser) that causes a double state change in the path results in the matter state going back to an Off state.

QFT is assuming spacetime is involved. It doesn't actually need it to function.


Unobserved quantum fields do not need spacetime to function
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 10/10/2019 19:35:55
I can start saying the state of matter from the matter field determines if a particle will be physical in flight.
You can start saying "Thursday is green and in bed".
But it would be more helpful to start  saying things that make sense.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 11/10/2019 00:54:51
Faster than light is possible when spacetime is not involved.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 11/10/2019 13:00:21
Faster than light is possible when spacetime is not involved.
You seem to have mistaken this site  for the "naked postmodern poets forum"
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 11/10/2019 14:02:34
 If what I'm describing isn't spacetime ..it would be something completely new/undiscovered. A property of nature. I have no doubt something is going on here and it's the key to the theory of everything.

 Unobserved(stateless | unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(Matter Field) = Physical Matter
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 11/10/2019 16:01:23
Wave collapse is when an unobserved quantum wave can't continue past a physical matter object. Physical matter objects have their Matter Field state set to true. Somewhere around the size of a virus, a group of matter is automatically given physical status.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 11/10/2019 17:07:11
I have no doubt
More importantly, you have no evidence.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 12/10/2019 02:07:22
My evidence is still the delayed choice quantum eraser

Is a photon, physical radiation?

Is a Matter Field state change the same thing as wave collapse? We know the state is decided before the particle even starts to travel. And when a which way eraser is used in the path, the state is set back to default ..so the wave collapse is uncollapsing? Or that's where my old idea of state recycling occurs ..at the beginning.

Or Or, the decision to collapse the wave is left until after the life path is analysed.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 12/10/2019 02:36:57
Maybe wave collapse from a state change is different from a wave collapse from a dead end.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 12/10/2019 03:21:59
The delayed choice quantum eraser says they are different because a wave collapse from a dead end doesn't effect the particle in flight. The state change is causing a wave collapse though, telling us there doesn't have to be anything magical about setting a state change.

Observation/measurement is dead ..the question is if you caused a wave collapse or not. Nature doesn't care if we know anything.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 12/10/2019 03:50:36
Uncollapsed(stateless | unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(Matter Field or wave collapse) = Physical Matter
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 12/10/2019 15:31:33
The key to unifying the theories of the very large and the very small is asking if the object in question is physical.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 12/10/2019 15:46:33
Is a photon, physical radiation?
Until you tell us what you mean by "physical" we still can't answer that.

Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 12/10/2019 16:05:45
Physical = wave collapse
Physical = real to humans
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 12/10/2019 16:44:00
Physical = real to humans
What about aliens?
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 12/10/2019 16:54:44
Thanks for being so professional.

Real to mortals you @ssclown
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 12/10/2019 18:06:34
OK, Cats are mortal.
Is it sufficient that things are real to cats?
And what about bacteria?
What about inanimate objects?
Where's the line?
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 12/10/2019 18:09:35
The difference is if you are a god or not. Physical = Real ..deal with it.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 12/10/2019 18:10:46

Is a photon, physical radiation?
OK, photons are real, so- by the definition that I finally managed to get out of you after a stupid amount of time wasting on your part, the answer to your question is "yes".


Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 12/10/2019 18:12:44
Glad you agree. Physicality is the key then.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 12/10/2019 18:15:49
Glad you agree. Physicality is the key then.
Well, yes, I agree that things which are not real, and this by tour definition, not physical, are very unlikely to led us anywhere useful.

We can now exclude unicorns and honest politicians from scientific discussion.

Obviously, since they were never part of it, we haven't made any actual progress there.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 12/10/2019 18:26:05
I get the feeling you didn't read my posts: Reply #93 to now.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 12/10/2019 19:47:35
I get the feeling you didn't read my posts:
I replied to many of them.
Title: Unobservedstateless/unphysical Quantum Waves Statephysical SpacetimeGR
Post by: Emilelix on 13/10/2019 13:58:44
Just a crazy idea. We know that those quantum computers have superior ability because those quantum bits can present more than 2 value. Is it possible to say that such ability of more than 2 values in one bit a because of they are just electrical components of higher dimensions just like 3-D you get 2 values, 4-D you get 3 values and n-D you get n-1 values something like that?
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 15/10/2019 23:02:02
Something in superposition is not a real object until it is physical from a state change.

The key to unifying the theories of the very large and the very small is asking if the object in question is physical.
because "very small" doesn't intrinsically mean it's physical.

1 x 10-18g (somewhere around the mass of a virus) or greater = physical state, real
Smaller mass = depends on the situation

1 x 10-18g is the smallest amount of mass gravity can automatically assign a physical state.

The goal to be allowed to name a new constant.
The minimum amount of mass necessary to automatically have a physical state.

If we could figure out a way to turn the physical state of a virus from true to false ..would that render it defunct because it would be in superposition? We need to turn viruses/cancers into dark matter. Save the world.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 16/10/2019 03:28:40
GR only deals with objects that have a physical state.

That's all it takes to unify the very large and very small theories of the universe.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 16/10/2019 18:37:00
Physical = Real
GR only deals with objects that have a physical state.

Good.
Nice to see that it doesn't trouble itself with unicorns.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 18/10/2019 21:47:47
Somewhere around 1 x 10-18g in a vacuum is a new constant.

The diffraction grating gets too small to identify fringes. It's a natural size for the object to be physical and to never be in superposition.

Uncollapsed(stateless | unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(Matter Field or wave collapse or decoherence) + zero Diffraction = Physical Matter (Real)

If an object is too large to display fringes, it is automatically physical. The question now is if auto-physical objects have a physical state or maybe being naturally physical doesn't require it.

Do I need to claim there is a physical state in the first place for even quantum sized objects if it is the same thing as: wave collapse, decoherence, and zero diffraction?

There has to be something that causes a particle to be physical or not before it even starts moving. If it is to only be a wave in flight, duality doesn't apply. But if physical, duality is allowed. Maybe I need a different term for "physical state".

If I started using "Real" instead of "physical state" would that get Bored off my back about mass meaning a physical property?

GR deals with what is Real.
Wave Collapse, Decoherence, and Zero Diffraction cause something to be Real.

We just need GR to handle duality for Unification.
GR for reality
QM wave function for unreal
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 18/10/2019 22:18:53
Does this mean Diffraction is directly related to Superposition?
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 19/10/2019 00:46:19
Somewhere around 1 x 10-18g in a vacuum is a new constant.
That seems to be made up hogwash.
Do you have evidence?
GR deals with what is Real.
You should join it.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 19/10/2019 00:53:43
1 x 10-18g doesn't display diffraction so it cannot display superposition. 180,000 atoms.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 19/10/2019 01:26:51
1 x 10-18g doesn't display diffraction
You really don't have any evidence for that, do you?
You made it up.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 19/10/2019 01:31:41
https://www.quora.com/How-large-can-an-object-be-in-the-double-slit-experiment-to-not-show-any-wave-particle-duality-effect-If-there-is-a-boundary-where-is-it-and-why/answer/Alec-Cawley
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 19/10/2019 12:04:41
https://www.quora.com/How-large-can-an-object-be-in-the-double-slit-experiment-to-not-show-any-wave-particle-duality-effect-If-there-is-a-boundary-where-is-it-and-why/answer/Alec-Cawley
Thanks for posting that- here's what it says:
"We donít know, ".

So, it certainly doesn't agree with your idea.


Also, you said this.
Is it what you actually mean?

Somewhere around 1 x 10-18g in a vacuum is a new constant.
 
The diffraction grating gets too small to identify fringes.

Since we can do diffraction of electrons and xrays  using single molecules as the "grating", you are clearly wrong.
We can use gratings with a mass of about 10^-23 g
https://aip.scitation.org/doi/abs/10.1063/1.1732025?journalCode=jcp

Methane was the lightest molecule I could find a paper about, but there's no reason to suppose it wouldn't work with hydrogen.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Colin2B on 19/10/2019 15:00:04
https://www.quora.com/How-large-can-an-object-be-in-the-double-slit-experiment-to-not-show-any-wave-particle-duality-effect-If-there-is-a-boundary-where-is-it-and-why/answer/Alec-Cawley
Thanks for posting that- here's what it says:
"We donít know, ".
Not only that, but the poster readily admits he is no expert, just reads popsci articles. One of the many reasons why Quora is not viewed as a reliable source of science info.

I think one of the reasons the OP is having struggling to explain this Ďtheoryí is (aside from the fact s/he doesnít understand the subject) is that it has been plagiarised from an original idea by @pittsburghjoe  (and even s/he didnít understand the subject, so building on sand here).
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 19/10/2019 15:12:13
Diffraction that can display fringes.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 19/10/2019 15:39:12
Diffraction that can display fringes.
The electron diffraction experiments display fringes using gratings that are single molecules.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 19/10/2019 15:42:59
fringes that signal wave interference?

side note: I wonder why pittsburghjoe stopped commenting/posting.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 19/10/2019 16:33:11
fringes that signal wave interference?
Yes. FFS! why can't you recognise that you are wrong?
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 19/10/2019 16:36:57
lol, I said zero fringes for it to automatically be real.
You are only proving my point.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 19/10/2019 16:47:17
The diffraction grating gets too small to identify fringes.
What you said was "The diffraction grating gets too small to identify fringes."
And the smallest diffraction gratings- single molecules- are not too small to identify fringes.

Are you now saying that you didn't say what you meant?
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 19/10/2019 16:55:42
I said the scale of a virus will not display fringes. You attempted to defraud me by saying smaller objects show fringes.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 19/10/2019 17:00:54
It is perfectly clear what you said.
In case you have forgotten, it's this.

Somewhere around 1 x 10-18g in a vacuum is a new constant.

The diffraction grating gets too small to identify fringes.

And I have shown that even diffraction gratings the size of single molecules are not "too small" for fringes to be seen.
Given that you are wrong, I'm not the one involved in any sense of fraud.

Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 19/10/2019 17:27:51
A virus is bigger than a molecule
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 19/10/2019 18:16:01
A virus is bigger than a molecule
Obviously.
Now carefully read what you said ( the bit I quoted)
You say that a grating must be bigger than 10^-18 g or it is too small to form fringes
And I showed that smaller gratings form fringes.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 19/10/2019 18:21:56
that doesn't make any sense, obviously, I meant anything smaller will show fringes.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 19/10/2019 18:23:02
that doesn't make any sense
Then why did you write it?
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 19/10/2019 18:23:36
Do you not understand what a grating is?
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 19/10/2019 18:26:05
oh ..whoops, pretend I didn't use that word.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 19/10/2019 18:56:35
And the long groveling apology...
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 19/10/2019 19:10:15
I apologize for using the word "grating", nothing more. Get over yourself.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 19/10/2019 19:20:01
I apologize for using the word "grating", nothing more. Get over yourself.
What about the use of "defraud" which, since it's a criminal offence is a libellous allegation?

And then there's the fact that you simply ignored it when that I kept telling you to check...
Do you not understand what a grating is?
Now carefully read what you said ( the bit I quoted)
Are you now saying that you didn't say what you meant?
Also, you said this.
Is it what you actually mean?
That seems to be made up hogwash.
Do you have evidence?
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 19/10/2019 19:29:24
::rolls eyes::
So you would prefer reality wasn't uncovered. cool
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 19/10/2019 19:35:02
::rolls eyes::
So you would prefer reality wasn't uncovered. cool
No, I'd like the remaining  secrets of reality to be unveiled.
But you clearly are not going to do that.

You don't uncover reality by refusing to accept that you are mistaken.
You don't uncover reality by not understanding current science.
You don't uncover reality by ignoring facts and evidence.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 19/10/2019 19:38:35
I accepted "grating" was wrong to bring up. You just want to be an unforgiving ****.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 19/10/2019 19:45:23
I accepted "grating" was wrong to bring up. You just want to be an unforgiving ****.
You accepted it after I told you 5 times that you were wrong.
That level of failure to reconsider your views is unforgivable.

And, of course, there's still your ongoing problem of totally failing to explain what you mean.

And we still need to work on your inability to distinguish between your opinion and fact.
There isn't any evidence of a baseball in superposition. That's ridiculous.
There is no evidence  saying that a baseball can't be in a superposition.
What you are focussing on there is your opinion, rather than scientific evidence.

That's a bad plan even when competent scientists do it and you seem to be neither.

Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 19/10/2019 19:53:10
My theory was allowed to evolve as the thread continued.
I have something revolutionary here. You're f'n pathetic.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 19/10/2019 20:47:34
My theory was allowed to evolve as the thread continued.
You don't have a theory.
"A scientific theory is an explanation of an aspect of the natural world that can be repeatedly tested and verified in accordance with the scientific method, using accepted protocols of observation, measurement, and evaluation of results. "

from
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory

What you have is a poorly written idea based on a bad understanding of  the facts.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 19/10/2019 22:09:04
what I have, is a new idea on the facts and that scares the sh!t out of you.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 20/10/2019 09:59:35
If I was scared of every thread on this site that claims to have reinvented science (but without bothering to find out what science actually said) I'd have to spend a lot of time worrying.
I don't, and yours is no better than the others.

I suggest that you go through the thread, list all the points that others have made criticising your ideas and then actually try to answer those criticisms.

Until you can do that, you have absolutely no hope of being taken seriously.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 25/10/2019 00:19:10
It is curious to me that spacetime limits the speed of light and gravity to the same speed.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2019/10/24/this-is-why-the-speed-of-gravity-must-equal-the-speed-of-light/#737e30e62fc0

There shouldn't be limits unless this is a simulation.


General Relativity = Reality = Spacetime

Spacetime = Physical Matter = Wave Collapse = Decoherence = Matter Field State = Zero Diffraction Showing Fringes = Universal Analog Simulation

Analog Simulation = Light/Gravity Limit
Limits imply a frame rate is necessary for a processor to refresh.

The universe without spacetime would be quantum wave information that could never become real/physical.



Spacetime is the tip of the iceberg that it represents. Yes it is space and time intertwined ..but it is so much more than that.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 26/10/2019 00:55:43
Spacetime = Physical Matter = Wave Collapse = Decoherence = Matter Field State = Zero Diffraction Showing Fringes = Universal Analog Simulation
That isn't even true if you are just looking at Scrabble scores.
It's just some sh1t you made up (and which was shown to be wrong).

Why not do science?
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 26/10/2019 01:29:15
The "unobserved" isn't real/physical and therefore not involved with spacetime. It doesn't have gravitons.

Consider the universe without spacetime. I believe there is an era before spacetime. ..Nothing was real/physical. General Relativity didn't exist.

If you were a god and wanted life to be a thing ..you would have to create something that worked on the existing system (quantum wave information). Living things need things/environment/themselves to be real/physical to work. It makes sense for a "god" to write an analog simulation called spacetime.

Unobserved quantum waves do not follow the laws set by spacetime. The Unreal is a dimension that has always existed. It's the root. Spacetime has a beginning.

Can an Analog simulation survive Occum's razor?
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 26/10/2019 02:25:30
Maybe it would help if I explained what is happening in three famous quantum experiments. The Double Slit, Delay Choice Quantum Eraser, Which Way Quantum Eraser.

The Double Slit
Layered, Unobserved quantum fields begin to combine to assemble a new particle. The Dimension of the Unreal is able to know if the physical state of the particle will be requested in its path. Something we know is capable of doing a state change is called a detector. But there are other more natural means of causing it. A particle with a physical state going through a double slit will only go through one slit. An unreal, quantum wave will go through both slits and display interference/fringes on a final panel. The final panel does cause a wave collapse but does not give the particle a physical state while in flight.

Delay Choice Quantum Eraser
Shows us the entire path of the particle is known before it starts moving. Entangled particles hold the same state while in flight. When the first particle hits it's final panel in a shorten path, it knows if its entangled brother will ever be physical or not in its path.

Which Way Quantum Eraser
Something very interesting happens when you cause two state changes in the path of a particle before it hits a final panel. If a particle knows (the unreal dimension) two state changes are going to occur, it goes back to being unreal quantum waves. When you see fringes appear on the final panel, it is because the quantum waves when through polarizers at the slits and the additional polarizer at unreal quantum waves.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Colin2B on 26/10/2019 09:08:02
Maybe it would help if I explained what is happening in three famous quantum experiments. The Double Slit, Delay Choice Quantum Eraser, Which Way Quantum Eraser.
All this does is confirm that you donít know what you are talking about and have completely misunderstood these experiments and what they show.

side note: I wonder why pittsburghjoe stopped commenting/posting.
You tell me  ;)
Probably realised he was wrong and gave up.
Why donít you stop plagiarising him?

The mistake he made was assuming QM doesnít take place in spacetime, however, spacetime is an integral part of QM and it gives the wrong results without it.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 26/10/2019 16:13:34
QFT assumes spacetime is involved ..it's not. It uses points (x, y, z) Cartesian coordinates. They are assuming those points are in spacetime. There isn't anything saying it has to be locations from spacetime.

Spacetime is fine for points in space when the object in question is observed/has a physical state.

Unobserved quantum fields do not need spacetime to function.

You never get anything faster than light ..when spacetime is involved.

Observation/state change, gets spacetime involved. You are not considering speeds from unobserved objects.

If what I'm describing isn't spacetime ..it would be something completely new/undiscovered. A property of nature. I have no doubt something is going on here and it's the key to the theory of everything.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 27/10/2019 09:20:12
It uses points (x, y, z) Cartesian coordinates. They are assuming those points are in spacetime.
That's not an assumption; it's a definition.
You never get anything faster than light ..when spacetime is involved.
Good.
You also never get anything faster than light.
Spacetime is always involved.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 27/10/2019 16:18:09
Oh aren't you clever  ::)
You can't observe objects going faster than light ..except for galaxies. The space between galaxies doesn't have spacetime which is why they are separating faster than light.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 27/10/2019 16:34:54
This might explain dark matter halos around galaxies ..It's matter that doesn't have spacetime and can't be given a physical state.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 27/10/2019 19:42:23
For Dark Matter known to be inside the optical boundaries of a galaxy:
Either the spacetime bubble is indenting to accommodate the dark matter inside ..or dark matter can never become physical even when in spacetime.

I would hesitate to be the first person to leave the boundaries of a galaxy.

My evidence is that galaxies are separating at an exponential rate.
The galaxies are not expanding internally ..so they are in a spacetime bubble that has a boundary.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 27/10/2019 19:48:46
.It's matter that doesn't have spacetime and can't be given a physical state.
Word salad.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 27/10/2019 19:57:08
I want to say every expletive that exists right now. I hate you.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: pzkpfw on 27/10/2019 20:03:07
I want to say every expletive that exists right now. I hate you.

You hate science.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 27/10/2019 20:19:05
What I hate is mainstream science and stuckup admin that won't even consider new ideas. I have answers to unanswered problems any they won't even read them.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 27/10/2019 20:31:27
I have answers to unanswered problems
Well, why not post them?
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 27/10/2019 22:17:55
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 28/10/2019 17:40:48
If we find out quantum fluctuations don't exist outside of galaxies ..it will be proof that empty space inside galaxies is different than outside. Galaxies have to be in some type of bubble ..otherwise our galaxy would have scattered with the same acceleration rate.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 28/10/2019 20:32:14
If we find out quantum fluctuations don't exist outside of galaxies ..it will be proof that empty space inside galaxies is different than outside.
The biggest word in that sentence is "if".
However we do have some ideas about what is in the space between galaxies.
This, for example.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intergalactic_dust
which behaves sufficiently much like dust in the lab that we can do spectroscopy on it and find out what it is made of.
Similarly, there are stars.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intergalactic_star
they behave like stars.

And, since those activities are intimately related to QM and thus to fluctuations, we already know that those fluctuations DO exist outside galaxies.


Why didn't you just google that, rather than posting nonsense?
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 28/10/2019 21:14:36
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And, since those activities are intimately related to QM

LOL, it's as if you don't understand what empty means.

Pockets of spacetime can naturally exist for objects outside of galaxies by being bigger than a virus.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 28/10/2019 22:37:08
If it isn't pockets of spacetime ..the object itself would have a physical state from being larger than a virus. I think this means light from the other side of the observable universe is traveling in and out of spacetime regions. Under my theory, the light we observe would be physical before it ever left the star. ..but I don't know if it can remain physical (photon) in zones that don't have spacetime. My immediate guess is that it remains physical ..when it can. Maybe it holds the physical state as a variable while traveling in quantum fields instead of spacetime.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 28/10/2019 23:48:46
Does this have something to do with redshift? Does anything within the milky way appear redshifted to us? Did it make sense for redshift to occur for light ..from just being in more space? ..or does light going through regions devoid of spacetime seem more valid?
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 29/10/2019 07:26:38
So, your theory is untestable where there is matter, and untestable where there is no matter.
Let us know if you find somewhere  were it is useful.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 29/10/2019 12:22:38
I just told you if spacetime was between galaxies, we wouldn't get redshift or blueshift.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Kryptid on 29/10/2019 13:25:12
I just told you if spacetime was between galaxies, we wouldn't get redshift or blueshift.

Non-sequitur and also nonsense. Without space, the concept of something being "between" objects becomes meaningless.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 29/10/2019 13:52:55
The quantum field is there ..without spacetime or random fluctuations.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Kryptid on 29/10/2019 14:42:13
The quantum field is there ..without spacetime or random fluctuations.

The concept of "there" loses meaning without space.
The concept of "between" loses meaning without space.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 29/10/2019 14:50:24
New ideas can be scary.

The Quantum field does not need space or time from spacetime.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Kryptid on 29/10/2019 14:54:29
New ideas can be scary.

They are also wrong if they are internally contradictory.

The Quantum field does not need space or time from spacetime.

Then don't use words like "there" or "between" to describe it. We know that there is space between the galaxies because we can measure the distances between them.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 29/10/2019 15:00:18
You're not listening. The gaps between  spacetime bubbles is true nothingness.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Kryptid on 29/10/2019 15:03:55
You're not listening.

I can listen all I want, but that won't make an internally contradictory idea internally consistent.

The gaps between  spacetime bubbles is true nothingness.

There you go using the word "between" in a nonsensical way again.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 29/10/2019 15:14:20
I think quantum fluctuations is proof you are somewhere that is using spacetime. Those fluctuations don't exist between galleries. It's why the universe expands. These galaxy bubbles are floating in nothingness ..the empty quantum field.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Kryptid on 29/10/2019 15:20:59
These galaxy bubbles are floating in nothingness

You can't be "in" nothingness, since nothingness isn't a location.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 29/10/2019 15:26:57
Dark Matter is.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Kryptid on 29/10/2019 15:29:27
Dark Matter is.

Is what? Is nothingness? Is a location?
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 29/10/2019 15:32:10
It's in a location of nothingness ..without spacetime, without the ability to have a physical state ..to be real.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Kryptid on 29/10/2019 15:34:17
It's in a location of nothingness ..without spacetime, without the ability to have a physical state ..to be real.

Location without space is an oxymoron. Do I need to link you to a dictionary definition of the word "location"?
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 29/10/2019 16:30:20
Yes, just stick to the script of antiquated ideas and you'll do fine.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 29/10/2019 19:49:34
New ideas can be scary.
You have yet to present any, so it doesn't matter.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 29/10/2019 19:50:18
Yes, just stick to the script of antiquated experimentally verified ideas and you'll do fine.
Fixed it for you.
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: scifimath on 29/10/2019 20:04:18
Right, so pretend I didn't present anything.

Anyone know what distance the universe starts acting like a lens? If you say outside the milky way ..it will make me happy.


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We already know that once you are far enough away, the universe acts like a magnifying glass and objects start to increase in size in the sky.

https://scitechdaily.com/fundamental-law-of-classical-physics-reversed-in-new-research-on-giant-radio-galaxies/
Title: Re: Unobserved(stateless/unphysical) Quantum Waves + State(physical) = Spacetime(GR)
Post by: Bored chemist on 29/10/2019 20:59:18
what distance the universe starts acting like a lens?
In what way?
It's a bit meaningless without a context, and a pop science article doesn't cut it.