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Title: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 23/02/2020 11:49:26
The Coriolis effect occurs when an object approaches or moves away from the axis of the Earth.
At the same time, when an object that moves on the Earth approaches or moves away from the axis of the Sun, the Coriolis Solar Force arises.
The deflecting Coriolis Solar Force, due to the axial and orbital rotation of the Earth, is much more complicated.
The course of the Volga River is constantly pressed against the western bank of the river, by the force of the Coriolis Earth.
And the Coriolis Solar Force, due to the axial and orbital rotation of the Earth, deflects the Volga River first to the west coast, then to the east, twice a day.
For this reason, winding currents form in the seas and oceans.
The aforesaid can be easily verified by rotating the globe around the axis and in orbit. Wrapped along the equator and meridian with a plastic hose in which fluid moves. http://astrogalaxy1.narod.ru/astro016.html
The Coriolis effect of the Earth does not depend on the inclination of the axis of the earth, and the Solar Coriolis force depends.

The solar Coriolis effect is involved in the formation of the moon ellipse.
When the Moon revolving around the Earth in the last quarter approaches the Sun at a speed of 1 km / s, and in the first quarter moves away from the Sun at a speed of 1 km / s, the Coriolis solar force stretches the moon's orbit along the Earth's orbit, due to which an ellipse of the Moon is formed.
When the moon is in the phase of the new moon and the full moon, the solar Coriolis effect does not affect the orbit of the moon, because in these phases the moon does not approach and does not move away from the sun.
The eccentricity of the Moon's orbit can be calculated using the following formula. E = Vz / Vl = 0.0411 / 0.55 = 0.0747
Where Vz - Earth's orbital speed - 0.0411 degrees / hour.
Vl - Moon's orbital speed - 0.55 degrees / hour.
The eccentricity of the Moon's orbit can be calculated using the following formula.
E = (Vz / Sz) / (Vl / Sl) = 0.00071 / 0.0095 = 0.0747
Where Vz is the Earth's orbital speed - 107,218 km / h.
Sz - Distance from the Sun to the Earth - 150,000,000 km.
Where Vl is the Moon's orbital speed - 3683 km / h.
Sl - Distance from the Earth to the Moon 384,000 km.
The eccentricity of the Moon's orbit varies, from 0.026 to 0.077.
Both formulas show that the average eccentricity of the Moon's orbit is 0.0747.
And the average eccentricity of the moon's orbit, obtained using radar, is 0.054.
http://www.aggregateria.com/R/radiolokatsionnaja_astronomija.html
Also, the eccentricity of the Moon's orbit can be determined by the following formula. E = Vl / Vz = 27.3 / 365.2 = 0.0747
Where Vl is the Moon's orbital angular velocity.
Vz - Orbital angular velocity of the Earth.
By dividing the orbital speed of the Moon by the eccentricity of the Moon's orbit, the Earth's orbital speed can be calculated. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon
The statement that the Moon's orbit rotates and makes one revolution in 8.8 years does not correspond to reality, since the Solar Coriolis effect constantly stretches the Moon's orbit along the Earth's orbit.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apsidal_precession
Based on the fact of the approach and removal of the moon from the sun, it is possible to construct. Reactionless drive.

The reason for the geological activity of the planets is also the Coriolis solar force.
The side of the Earth that is at dawn, due to the daily rotation of the Earth, approaches the Sun at a speed of 1600 km / h, and the side of the Earth that is at sunset moves away from the Sun at a speed of 1600 km / h. Due to this, the Coriolis solar force stretches the Earth along the Earth's orbit, and as a result, the geological activity of planets and satellites increases. (Spinning planets heat up, similar to a flat tire in a car.)
The high geological activity of Jupiter's moon Io can be explained by the fact that the axial and orbital velocity of Io is 15 times greater than that of the Moon.
Io's orbital speed is 17 km / s, and the Moon's orbital speed is 1 km / s. Io's axial velocity is 1 revolution per 42 hours, and the moon's axial velocity is 1 revolution per month.
The distance from Jupiter to Io, the surface temperature and diameter of Io are the same as those of the Moon.
Geologically active are also Earth, Jupiter, Ceres, Enceladus, etc.
The geological activity of Venus and Mercury, due to the slow rotation, is extremely low. https://images.app.goo.gl/EC2iXou7XDLBWMB66
If Io gets closer to Jupiter, then the axial and orbital velocity of Io will increase, due to which the Solar Coriolis force can tear Io into numerous pieces, which will then be located along Io's orbit, forming a ring.
Perhaps the Shoemaker Comet, Levi 9, was torn apart by the Solar Coriolis effect as it approached Jupiter at perihelion.
At the time of the comet's rupture, the distance from Jupiter to the comet reached about 40,000 km, and the orbital speed was 60 km / s. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comet_Shoemaker%E2%80%93Levy_9
It is possible that the asteroid belt formed from a planet that, due to an increase in axial velocity, was torn apart by the Coriolis solar force.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asteroid_belt
The coefficient of geological activity of planets depends on the diameter, axial and orbital speed of the planets.
The video shows how the Coriolis solar force is pulling the Earth and the Moon's orbit along the Earth's orbit.
The Earth’s orbit is formed by the Galactic Coriolis force.
When the Earth, revolving around the Sun, approaches and moves away from the center of the galaxy at a speed of 30 km / s, the galactic Coriolis force stretches the Earth’s orbit along the orbit of the Sun, due to which the Earth’s orbit similar to the Lunar one should form. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galactic_year https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milky_Way
But the orbits of the planets are not stretched along the orbit of the Sun, which means that the Sun does not revolve around the center of the galaxy, but is in space, in a motionless state.
The reason for the formation of the ellipse of the planets and the reason for the rotation of the orbits of the planets is in the problem of two bodies, which has not yet been solved, like the problem of three bodies.
The statement that the ellipse of the planets is formed due to the disturbance of the planets does not stand up to criticism, since Venus and Neptune move in a circular orbit. https://m.habr.com/en/post/411567/
The objects of the solar system cannot endlessly revolve around numerous centers.
The laws of celestial mechanics are not omnipotent and are limited by the task of three bodies. The Earth revolves around the Sun, the Moon revolves around the Earth, and nothing revolves around the Moon. No natural planetary satellite has a permanent or temporary satellite, because this will be the task of four bodies, which contradicts the laws of being.
In nature, there is no relationship without symbiosis, and in the center of the galaxy, the solar system does not need.
https://spaceworlds.ru/solnechnaya-sistema/orbity-planet.html
And the main question is why planetary satellites do not have satellites, and asteroids possess satellites. Despite the fact that asteroids are much smaller than planet satellites. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minor-planet_moon
The two satellites of Saturn, Janus and Epimetheus, move in the same orbit, and overtake each other every four years.
If these two satellites revolved around the Sun, then Janus would capture Epimetheus. https://elementy.ru/kartinka_dnya/430/Tanets_Yanusa_i_Epimeteya

Based on the foregoing, we can put forward the hypothesis of the formation of the solar system.
1. The solar system is an autonomous object of the Universe and does not revolve around the center of the "galaxy" but is in space, in a stationary state.
2. Sunlight, due to the deflecting force of the Coriolis, revolves around the solar system.
3. At the edge of the solar system, sunlight rotates against the rotation of the sun, at a speed of about 0 km / s, relative to the universe. https://images.app.goo.gl/GZMt3h1e1dH86wWN6
4. The radius of the solar system depends on the speed of light and the angular velocity of rotation of the sun. R ≈ c / ω
The speed of light ≈ 1,000,000,000 km / h.
The angular velocity of the Sun ≈ 0.0105 rad / h.
The radius of the solar system is ≈ 95,000,000,000 km.
http://universetoday-rus.com/blog/2008-07-16-10
5. I believe the stars are huge luminous balls that formed from sunlight.
6. Sunlight transforms into nebulae, stars, globular clusters, galaxies, Kuiper belt, asteroids, protoplanets, planets, which after billions of years, spinning, fall back onto the Sun. There is a cycle of solar matter in nature. Otherwise, for billions of years of its existence, the Sun has long been burned.
7. Outside the solar system, sunlight does not penetrate and it will be impossible to see the solar system from the side of the universe.
8. A planet is an object in the Solar System that has an atmosphere, daily rotation, etc. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAU_definition_of_planet
9. All mechanical processes that occur in the atmosphere also occur in the starry sky.
10. The hypothesis that the Moon was formed from the rings of the Earth, and Mercury is a former satellite of Venus, is within the laws of celestial mechanics.
11. In the solar system, everything is programmed and everything moves according to the strict laws of celestial mechanics, due to which randomness and chaos are not possible in the solar system.
12. The theory of the evolution of the Universe should not contradict and go beyond the laws of celestial mechanics. http://www.ponjatija.ru/node/938

Everything is relative!!!
The mechanism of rotation of cyclones, anticyclones, cycles and galaxies is one and the same. This can be verified by comparing these two pictures.
https://images.app.goo.gl/1QaUggrb6N1qQ3xF8 https://images.app.goo.gl/xozpZJsAfkq1owoX9
The galaxy is a single slowly rotating "monolith", which does not obey the law of gravity, because all stars in galaxies rotate with the same angular velocities (like a gas tank cover).
And in the solar system - the farther from the sun the planet is, the lower the orbital speed of the planet. While Neptune makes one revolution around the Sun, Mercury makes more than 500 revolutions.
The orbital speed of Mercury is 50 km / s, and Neptune is 5 km / s. https://life.ru/p/907112
Based on the foregoing, we can conclude that in the center of the galaxy is the eye of the storm, and not a black hole and dark matter. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_(cyclone) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galaxy_rotation_curve
Black holes leave their galaxies. https://news.rambler.ru/scitech/43938566-astronomy-pokazali-kak-chernye-dyry-pokidayut-svoi-galaktiki/ Astronomers accidentally discovered a strange star escaping from the Milky Way.
https://in-space.ru/astronomy-sluchajno-obnaruzhili-strannuyu-zvezdu-ubegayushhuyu-iz-mlechnogo-puti/ The black hole spawned a unique kind of planet. https://m.lenta.ru/news/2020/04/27/hole/amp/
Own movement of stars. https://spacegid.com/zvezda-barnarda.html
Regeneration of cyclones. https://slide-share.ru/regeneraciya-anticiklonov-28872

There are no answers to the following questions:
1. In the solar system, all eight planets revolve around the sun in the same plane.
a) And the stars, rotating around the nucleus of the galaxy, form dozens of planes.
b) What force is involved in the formation of the lenticular form of the galaxy?
c) Within the laws of celestial mechanics, stars should rotate around the core of the galaxy in only one plane, similar to the planets of the solar system.
2. The statement that globular star clusters are satellites of galaxies and rotate in very elongated orbits at a speed of ≈ 200 km / s also goes beyond celestial mechanics. https://images.app.goo.gl/7HbHogMoCKWPswX18
a) If only globular star clusters revolved around the galaxy, then globular star clusters would have a disk shape. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galaxy
b) Will Saturn and its satellites be able to rotate around the Sun, in the form of a globular cluster?
3. In globular star clusters, there is no orbital rotation of stars.
a) Then what forces form a globular cluster of stars?
4. If globular star clusters are satellites of galaxies, then star clusters should have, rotation axis, libration, etc. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globular_cluster

Continuation: "The mechanism of thermoregulation of the Earth."
Forum on the flagship. https://vmf.net.ru/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2328&sid=a49d602d08c50eda4f043b73838e5f8a
Forum of Nizhny Novgorod State University named after N.I. Lobachevsky.
http://forum.unn.ru/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=10331&sid=cfbc49e0cf32263eff20888ca205ab15
The opening was published in the Russian-German peer-reviewed journal “Eastern European Scientific Journal” No. 3/2015. Page 64. June
Scientific journal NBIKS-Nauka.Tehnologii No. 4/2018. Page 104. (Nanotechnological Society of Russia).
French Maritime Forum. http://forummarine.forumactif.com/t9357-le-flux-et-reflux-est-le-resultat-de-la-rotation-de-la-terre
English forum. "Weather / Earth Sciences" https://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=35094.0
Title: Re: Earthquake hypothesis
Post by: Origin on 23/02/2020 14:01:57
E = Vz • Vr
Where Vz - Orbital velocity of the Earth.
Vr - the speed of approach or removal of the moon from the sun.
I recommend that you do not attempt math.  You seem to get it spectacularly wrong.
Your 'equation' states that the units of an ellipse is m^2/s^2, which is nonsense.
If you show imagination
This post certainly is imagination and fantasy.
Title: Re: Earthquake hypothesis
Post by: Bored chemist on 23/02/2020 16:12:15
You can install a crank on Earth
Apparently.

Tidal power draws energy from the Moon's orbit.
A bit more practical than a pump.
Title: Re: Earthquake hypothesis
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 25/02/2020 02:25:51
Seismologists explained why earthquakes more often occur at night. https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.mail.ru/amp/incident/35211141/

His findings were published in New Concepts in the Global Tectonics Bulletin and in the Journal of the Geophysical Union of India.
At the same time, says Kolvankar, the number of earthquakes and their intensity decreases during the day and is the lowest day (15-16 hours), and then increases until midnight.
“This typical daily painting of seismicity seems to be constant throughout the world, regardless of period, season, longitude and depth,” said Kolvankar.
BARC seismologists based their research on data collected over 36 years - between 1973 and 2008 - analyzing different monthly stages and identifying repeating phases.
Title: Re: Why are earthquakes more likely to occur at night than during the day?
Post by: evan_au on 09/03/2020 20:40:51
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov
Coriolis effect, due to the axial and orbital rotation of the Earth, presses the Volga River, then to the west bank, then to the east twice a day
Coriolis force does have some impact on the bends in rivers, producing meanders that are broader on one side than the other (on average).
- But it is dominated by Coriolis force from the Earth's rotation, not tidal effects from the Sun rising and setting.
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meander#Governing_physics

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the solar Coriolis effect stretches Io along the orbit of Jupiter, like an accordion, twice a day. This can explain the high geological activity of Io.
At the distance of the Sun to Jupiter, the Sun's gravitational force is very weak, and it's very uniform throughout Io's orbit (the strength of tidal forces decreases as the cube of distance).
- At the distance of Jupiter to Io, Jupiter's gravity is very strong
- At the distance of Io to Europa and Ganymede, the tugs from these nearby moons build up over time, causing the orbit of Io to change in eccentricity over time.

I suggest that a better explanation is that Io's orbital eccentricity is affected by the other large Jovian moons.
- And this eccentricity produces tidal stretching from Jupiter's strong gravity, which promotes Io's volcanism
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moons_of_Jupiter#Naming
Title: Re: Why are earthquakes more likely to occur at night than during the day?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 10/03/2020 00:10:50
I suggest that a better explanation is that Io's orbital eccentricity is affected by the other large Jovian moons.
- And this eccentricity produces tidal stretching from Jupiter's strong gravity, which promotes Io's volcanism
The axial and orbital velocity of the Io satellite is 15 times greater than the axial and orbital velocity of the moon.
The orbital speed of Io is 17 km / s, and the orbital speed of the Moon is 1 km / s.
The axial speed of Io is 1 revolution in 42 hours, and the axial speed of the Moon is 1 revolution per month.
Title: Re: Why are earthquakes more likely to occur at night than during the day?
Post by: The Spoon on 10/03/2020 11:21:48
At the same time, if you look at the satellite of Io from the side of the Sun, you can see the high axial speed of rotation of Io, one revolution in 42 hours. Due to this, the solar Coriolis effect stretches Io along the orbit of Jupiter, like an accordion, twice a day. This can explain the high geological activity of Io
This demonstrates that another thing you do not understand is Coriolis effect.
Title: Re: Why are earthquakes more likely to occur at night than during the day?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 10/03/2020 18:53:32
The galactic Coriolis force is involved in the formation of the Earth's ellipse.
When the Earth revolving around the Sun approaches and moves away from the center of the galaxy, at a speed of 230 km / s. the galactic Coriolis force stretches the Earth’s orbit along the orbit of the Sun, due to which the Earth’s orbit similar to the Moon’s should be formed.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galactic_year https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milky_Way
Title: Re: Why are earthquakes more likely to occur at night than during the day?
Post by: The Spoon on 10/03/2020 19:14:10
Galactic year - lasts 250 million Earth years. The sun moves around the center of the galaxy at a speed of 230 km / s.
The Galactic Coriolis Force is involved in the formation of the Earth's ellipse.
When the Earth approaches and moves away from the center of the Galaxy at a speed of 230 km / s, the Coriolis force of the Galaxy stretches the Earth’s orbit along the orbit of the Sun, due to which the Earth’s orbit is formed. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galactic_year
How do you think that posting a link that defines something different change your obvious lack of understanding?
Title: Re: Why are earthquakes more likely to occur at night than during the day?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 12/03/2020 21:25:20
Galactic year - lasts 250 million Earth years. The sun moves around the center of the galaxy at a speed of 230 km / s.
The Galactic Coriolis Force is involved in the formation of the Earth's ellipse.
When the Earth approaches and moves away from the center of the Galaxy at a speed of 230 km / s, the Coriolis force of the Galaxy stretches the Earth’s orbit along the orbit of the Sun, due to which the Earth’s orbit is formed. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galactic_year
But, the orbits of the planets and comets are not elongated along the orbit of the Sun, which means that the Sun does not rotate around the center of the galaxy, but is in a stationary state of space. http://www.qrg.northwestern.edu/projects/vss/docs/space-environment/3-orbital-lengths-distances.html
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2017/12/09/ask-ethan-why-dont-comets-orbit-the-same-way-planets-do/amp/
Title: Re: Why are earthquakes more likely to occur at night than during the day?
Post by: The Spoon on 12/03/2020 22:16:03
Galactic year - lasts 250 million Earth years. The sun moves around the center of the galaxy at a speed of 230 km / s.
The Galactic Coriolis Force is involved in the formation of the Earth's ellipse.
When the Earth approaches and moves away from the center of the Galaxy at a speed of 230 km / s, the Coriolis force of the Galaxy stretches the Earth’s orbit along the orbit of the Sun, due to which the Earth’s orbit is formed. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galactic_year
But, the orbits of the planets and comets are not elongated along the orbit of the Sun, which means that the Sun does not rotate around the center of the galaxy, but is in a stationary state of space. http://www.qrg.northwestern.edu/projects/vss/docs/space-environment/3-orbital-lengths-distances.html
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2017/12/09/ask-ethan-why-dont-comets-orbit-the-same-way-planets-do/amp/
I see what you did there. You took one bit of data, misunderstood it and posted a comnent that does not relate to the links....
Title: Re: Why are earthquakes more likely to occur at night than during the day?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 13/03/2020 06:50:51
And the most important question is why planetary satellites do not possess satellites, and asteroids possess satellites. Despite the fact that asteroids are much smaller than planet satellites. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minor-planet_moon

The two satellites of Saturn, Janus and Epimetheus, move in the same orbit and overtake each other every four years.
If these two satellites moved around the Sun, then Janus would capture Epimetheus. https://elementy.ru/kartinka_dnya/430/Tanets_Yanusa_i_Epimeteya

Satellites can exist only in rings that rotate around the Sun (in asteroids).
In the rings that revolve around the planets, satellites cannot exist, because it will be the task of four bodies, which contradicts the nature of being.
Title: Re: Why are earthquakes more likely to occur at night than during the day?
Post by: Colin2B on 13/03/2020 08:27:06
Not a single satellite of the planets has a permanent or temporary satellite.
Check out tidal forces and gravitational anomalies if you want to know why, but don’t rely on your own misunderstandings.
Title: Re: Why are earthquakes more likely to occur at night than during the day?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 13/03/2020 11:52:13
Based on the foregoing, we can put forward the hypothesis of the formation of the solar system.
1. The solar system is an autonomous object of the Universe and does not revolve around the center of the "galaxy" but is in space, in a stationary state.
2. Sunlight, due to the deflecting force of the Coriolis, revolves around the solar system.
3. At the edge of the solar system, sunlight rotates against the rotation of the sun, at a speed of about 0 km / s, relative to the universe. https://images.app.goo.gl/GZMt3h1e1dH86wWN6
4. The radius of the solar system depends on the speed of light and the angular velocity of rotation of the sun. R ≈ c / ω
The speed of light ≈ 1,000,000,000 km / h.
The angular velocity of the Sun ≈ 0.0105 rad / h.
The radius of the solar system is ≈ 95,000,000,000 km.
http://universetoday-rus.com/blog/2008-07-16-10
5. I believe the stars are huge luminous balls that formed from sunlight.
6. Sunlight transforms into nebulae, stars, globular clusters, galaxies, Kuiper belt, asteroids, protoplanets, planets, which after billions of years, spinning, fall back onto the Sun. There is a cycle of solar matter in nature. Otherwise, for billions of years of its existence, the Sun has long been burned.
7. A planet is an object in the solar system that has an atmosphere, daily rotation, etc. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAU_definition_of_planet
8. The hypothesis that the Moon was formed from the rings of the Earth, and Mercury is a former satellite of Venus, is within the laws of celestial mechanics.
9. Outside the solar system, sunlight does not penetrate and it will be impossible to see the solar system from the side of the universe.
10. All mechanical processes that occur in the atmosphere also occur in the starry sky.
11. The theory of the evolution of the Universe should not contradict and go beyond the laws of celestial mechanics. http://www.ponjatija.ru/node/938
Title: Re: Why are earthquakes more likely to occur at night than during the day?
Post by: Colin2B on 13/03/2020 13:00:52
"The laws of nature are universal." Lao Tzu.
Thank goodness. Otherwise your hypothesis would stand a chance of being true!
Title: Re: Why are earthquakes more likely to occur at night than during the day?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 21/03/2020 07:40:10
In the solar system, all eight planets revolve around the sun in the same plane.
And the stars, revolving around the nucleus of the galaxy, form dozens of planes.
http://www.astro.caltech.edu/ay1/Ay1_main.html
Title: Re: Why are earthquakes more likely to occur at night than during the day?
Post by: evan_au on 21/03/2020 09:37:44
Quote from: OP
Why are earthquakes more likely to occur at night than during the day?
Because the city is quieter, people aren't driving/walking, and they wake you up.
Title: Re: Why are earthquakes more likely to occur at night than during the day?
Post by: evan_au on 21/03/2020 10:05:17
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov
Some stars are located above and below the center of the galaxy, so they do not rotate around the center of the galaxy
By "rotate" you mean, following Kepler's work on orbits: "follow an elliptical path around the central massive object; the massive object is at one of the foci of the ellipse".
- Kepler's work was originally done on isolated planets, but it's still a pretty good description of more complex multi-body systems like the Solar System, the moons of Jupiter or stars orbiting in the galaxy
- If you want to get more precise, you can use Newton's theory of gravity to refine it for multi-body systems like the galaxy
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kepler%27s_laws_of_planetary_motion

Stars which lie outside the plane of the galactic disk include globular clusters and stellar streams (many stellar streams are thought to be the remnants of globular clusters).
- And in fact, these do rotate around the central supermassive black hole, in the manner envisaged by Kepler.
- They follow an elliptical path around the central massive object; the massive object is at one of the foci of the ellipse
- So the globular clusters share the same focus as the Sun
- It's just that the ellipse of a globular cluster is oriented at a different angle than the Sun
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globular_cluster
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_stellar_streams

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Why don't [globular clusters] fall on the center of the galaxy?
For the same reason that the Sun does not fall into the supermassive black hole: they have angular momentum around the black hole, and that angular momentum keeps them orbiting the black hole
- At least, until they have a close gravitational interaction with another object, where they exchange angular momentum; this can change the orientation of their orbit.

Globular clusters don't plunge into the center of the Milky Way, but they do pass through the plane of the galaxy twice on every orbit.
- This is how stellar streams were discovered - they were a group of stars that had surprisingly high velocities, all in roughly the same direction.
- The current GAIA satellite project is measuring the distance and transverse velocity of up to a billion stars
- A companion ground-based project is measuring the radial velocity of these same stars
- Together, they measure the velocity of stars in 3 dimensions.
- These projects have identified new groups of stars forming stellar streams, as they travel in elliptical orbits around the center of our galaxy
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia_(spacecraft)
Title: Re: Why are earthquakes more likely to occur at night than during the day?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 23/03/2020 08:25:25
Everything is relative!!!
The mechanics of rotation of cyclones, anticyclones, cycles and galaxies, one and the same. This can be verified by comparing these two pictures.
https://images.app.goo.gl/1QaUggrb6N1qQ3xF8 https://images.app.goo.gl/xozpZJsAfkq1owoX9
The galaxy is a single slowly rotating "monolith" that does not obey the law of universal gravitation. Since, stars in galaxies rotate with the same angular speeds, like a gas tank cover. For this reason, stars located on the periphery of the galaxy move faster.
And in the solar system it is the other way around, the farther away from the Sun the planet is, the lower the orbital and angular velocity of the planet. The orbital speed of Mercury is 50 km / s, and the orbital speed of Neptune is 5 km / s. https://life.ru/p/907112
Based on the foregoing, we can conclude that in the center of the galaxy is the eye of the storm, and not a black hole and dark matter. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_(cyclone) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galaxy_rotation_curve
Black holes leave their galaxies. https://news.rambler.ru/scitech/43938566-astronomy-pokazali-kak-chernye-dyry-pokidayut-svoi-galaktiki/ Astronomers accidentally discovered a strange star escaping from the Milky Way.
https://in-space.ru/astronomy-sluchajno-obnaruzhili-strannuyu-zvezdu-ubegayushhuyu-iz-mlechnogo-puti/ The black hole spawned a unique kind of planet. https://m.lenta.ru/news/2020/04/27/hole/amp/
Regeneration of cyclones. https://slide-share.ru/regeneraciya-anticiklonov-28872
Title: Re: Why are earthquakes more likely to occur at night than during the day?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 03/04/2020 17:21:31
The reason for the geological activity of the planets is also the Solar Coriolis effect.
The higher the axial and orbital speeds of planets and satellites, the more the core of planets and satellites is heated.
The high geological activity of the satellite Jupiter Io can be explained by the fact that the axial and orbital velocity of Io is 15 times higher than that of the Moon.
The orbital speed of Io is 17 km / s, and the orbital speed of the moon is 1 km / s.
The axial speed of Io is 1 revolution in 42 hours, and the axial speed of the Moon is 1 revolution per month.
The distance from Jupiter to Io, the surface temperature and the diameter of Io, are the same as that of the Moon.
Geologically active are also Earth, Jupiter, Ceres, Enceladus and others.
And the geological activity of Venus and Mercury, due to the slow rotation, is extremely low. https://images.app.goo.gl/EC2iXou7XDLBWMB66
If Io’s satellite approaches Jupiter, then Io’s axial and orbital speed will increase, due to which the Coriolis Solar Force can tear Io into numerous pieces, which will then be located along Io’s orbit, forming a ring.
Perhaps the Comet of the Shumeikers - Levi 9, was torn by the Coriolis Solar Effect, when it, at perihelion, approached Jupiter.
At the time of the comet rupture, the distance from Jupiter to the comet reached about 40,000 km., And the orbital speed of 60 km / s. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comet_Shoemaker%E2%80%93Levy_9
It is possible that the asteroid belt was formed from a planet that, due to an increase in axial velocity, was torn apart by the Coriolis Solar Force.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asteroid_belt
Roche limit, there is such a version.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roche_limit
It is possible that the asteroid belt was formed from a planet that, due to an increase in axial velocity, was torn apart by the Coriolis Solar Force.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asteroid_belt
Title: Re: Why are earthquakes more likely to occur at night than during the day?
Post by: Kryptid on 03/04/2020 17:39:49
And for cyclones of anticyclones and galaxies, the opposite is true, the farther from the center, the higher the orbital velocity.

You obviously have no idea what you are talking about, as all cyclones are roughly the same distance from the Earth's center. They don't orbit around the Earth anyway.

This suggests that in the center of the cyclones of anticyclones and galaxies, there is no mass needed to create gravity.

Non-sequitur.

In the solar system, all eight planets revolve around the sun in the same plane.

Not precisely. And there are plenty of bodies that orbit at highly inclined orbits. I told you about them in your other thread.

And stars rotate around the center of the galaxy in several planes, which contradicts the laws of mechanics.

Please tell me which laws of mechanics that violates. Be specific.

Why do stars that are above the poles of the galaxy and not moving in the orbit of the galaxy, do not fall on the core of the galaxy.

This question was already answered in your other thread. Answers don't magically change because you ask the question multiple times.

It is possible that the asteroid belt is a former planet, which, due to rapid axial rotation, was torn apart by the Coriolis Solar Force.

Unlikely, as the total mass of the Asteroid Belt is smaller than the Moon.
Title: Re: Why are earthquakes more likely to occur at night than during the day?
Post by: Bored chemist on 04/04/2020 11:42:54
"Why are earthquakes more likely to occur at night than during the day?"
They are not.
You are trying to explain unicorns.

There's  list of the biggest quakes here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_earthquakes#Largest_earthquakes_by_magnitude
And it references the pages for each quake.
So you can check the local time of each of them ( a couple don't state it)
And that gives you this
11:15
17:36
00:59
14:46
05:00
16:45
21:00
17:00
22:00
10:00
03:34
19:39
14:00
04:45
09:40
19:01
22:30
11:30
04:22
23:09
15:35
14:30
22:30
01:00
11:30
21:16
22:53
04:04
15:17
06:30


It's difficult to define "night and day" but it's certainly day between 6 am and 6 pm.
And 14 out of the 31 quakes happened between those hours.
These ones
06:30
09:40
10:00
11:15
11:30
11:30
14:00
14:30
14:46
15:17
15:35
16:45
17:00
17:36

That's so near half that you can't rule out the idea that earthquakes happen randomly through the day.

So, why did you come up with all this claptrap to "explain" something that doesn't exist?
Title: Re: Why are earthquakes more likely to occur at night than during the day?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 04/04/2020 14:34:57

Seismologists have found that earthquakes more often occur at night than during the day. https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.mail.ru/amp/incident/35211141/
Title: Re: Why are earthquakes more likely to occur at night than during the day?
Post by: The Spoon on 04/04/2020 14:42:17

Seismologists have found that earthquakes more often occur at night than during the day. https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.mail.ru/amp/incident/35211141/
No - a seismologist in the singular has claimed this. Other sources disagree.
https://www.usgs.gov/faqs/can-position-moon-or-planets-affect-seismicity-are-there-more-earthquakes-morningin-eveningat-a?qt-news_science_products=0#qt-news_science_products
Title: Re: Why are earthquakes more likely to occur at night than during the day?
Post by: Bored chemist on 04/04/2020 14:53:04

Seismologists have found that earthquakes more often occur at night than during the day. https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.mail.ru/amp/incident/35211141/
You have two choices:
believe that singe seismologist
believe the actual evidence I put forward.

Your choice, but only one of them is science.
Title: Re: Why are earthquakes more likely to occur at night than during the day?
Post by: The Spoon on 04/04/2020 16:34:42
It is almost as if the OP does not understand anything about science and posts nonsense all of the time.....
Title: Re: Why are earthquakes more likely to occur at night than during the day?
Post by: Bored chemist on 04/04/2020 16:37:43
It is almost as if the OP does not understand anything about science and posts nonsense all of the time.....
Sadly, because the forum has a policy of not banning trolls, that happens a lot.
Title: Re: Why are earthquakes more likely to occur at night than during the day?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 04/04/2020 16:51:14
There is little information in your links.
Title: Re: Why are earthquakes more likely to occur at night than during the day?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 04/04/2020 16:52:50
There are no answers to the following questions:
1. The claim that globular star clusters are satellites of galaxies also goes beyond celestial mechanics. https://images.app.goo.gl/goz9RPyJb3QqMxEZ7
a) If spherical star clusters revolved around the galaxy, then spherical star clusters had the shape of a disk. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galaxy
b) Why does Saturn and its moons not revolve around the Sun in the form of a globular cluster?
2. Do stars rotate in globular star clusters, if so, around what? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globular_cluster
3. In the solar system, all eight planets revolve around the sun in the same plane.
a) And the stars, rotating around the core of the galaxy, form dozens of planes.
b) What force is involved in the formation of the lenticular form of the galaxy?
c) Within the laws of celestial mechanics, stars should rotate around the core of the galaxy in only one plane, similar to the planets of the solar system.
4. Around the north and south poles of the sun, planets will not be able to rotate.
a) And the stars rotate around the poles of the galaxy.
5. Stars hang above the poles of the galaxy, resembling levitation. http://www.astro.caltech.edu/ay1/Ay1_main.html
b) Can the planet hang motionless above the pole of the sun? https://images.app.goo.gl/fhFoSebp3xHg4a267
Title: Re: Why are earthquakes more likely to occur at night than during the day?
Post by: Bored chemist on 04/04/2020 17:11:15
What force is involved in the formation of the lenticular shape of the galaxy.
If I tell you that the evidence says it's a combination of gravity and the conservation of angular momentum, will you listen, or will you say it's magic pixie dust?

Because, let's face it, you don't have a track record of accepting evidence, do you?
Title: Re: Why are earthquakes more likely to occur at night than during the day?
Post by: Kryptid on 04/04/2020 17:22:37
What force prevents the stars from spinning around the galactic core in one plane.

There isn't one. It's just more probable that a given star will orbit the core close to a plane. But there are outliers. Just like there is with our on Solar System. Most objects in the Solar System orbit close to a plane, but some orbit at almost a 90 degree angle to that plane.
Title: Re: Why are earthquakes more likely to occur at night than during the day?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 04/04/2020 18:33:08
What force is involved in the formation of the lenticular shape of the galaxy.
If I tell you that the evidence says it's a combination of gravity and the conservation of angular momentum, will you listen, or will you say it's magic pixie dust?

Because, let's face it, you don't have a track record of accepting evidence, do you?
You can give a link to this information.
Title: Re: Why are earthquakes more likely to occur at night than during the day?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 05/04/2020 12:42:24
What force prevents the stars from spinning around the galactic core in one plane.

There isn't one. It's just more probable that a given star will orbit the core close to a plane. But there are outliers. Just like there is with our on Solar System. Most objects in the Solar System orbit close to a plane, but some orbit at almost a 90 degree angle to that plane.
The planets have an inclination of the orbit, but they rotate in the same plane.
Title: Re: Why are earthquakes more likely to occur at night than during the day?
Post by: Bored chemist on 05/04/2020 13:11:16
What force is involved in the formation of the lenticular shape of the galaxy.
If I tell you that the evidence says it's a combination of gravity and the conservation of angular momentum, will you listen, or will you say it's magic pixie dust?

Because, let's face it, you don't have a track record of accepting evidence, do you?
You can give a link to this information.
Yes.
Hre you are ignoring actual evidence, and pretending that one person's opinion is more important.
https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=78750.msg598488#msg598488
Title: Re: Why are earthquakes more likely to occur at night than during the day?
Post by: puppypower on 05/04/2020 14:11:57
Seismologists explained why earthquakes more often occur at night. https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.mail.ru/amp/incident/35211141/

His findings were published in New Concepts in the Global Tectonics Bulletin and in the Journal of the Geophysical Union of India.
At the same time, says Kolvankar, the number of earthquakes and their intensity decreases during the day and is the lowest day (15-16 hours), and then increases until midnight.
“This typical daily painting of seismicity seems to be constant throughout the world, regardless of period, season, longitude and depth,” said Kolvankar.
BARC seismologists based their research on data collected over 36 years - between 1973 and 2008 - analyzing different monthly stages and identifying repeating phases.

One wild card variable is water. I am the water man. As you increase the temperature and pressure, water changes phases. Water deep in the earth's crust is above its critical point; super critical water. This phase of water, where water become a dense fluid that is neither gas or liquid, but both, can easily dissolve minerals, such silica and quartz. Many gem stones form by various minerals crystalizing out of cooling hydrothermal water.

Other water studies have shown that water exists under the crust within the upper mantle and even deeper.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn25723-massive-ocean-discovered-towards-earths-core/ (https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn25723-massive-ocean-discovered-towards-earths-core/)

Based on experiments at the Lawrence Livermore Lab, water at the conditions of the assumed upper mantle pressures and temperatures is a phase known as super ionic water. This is nasty stuff. A slight pressure drop, will change superionic water back into super critical water, with the change exploding like TNT. If the earths plates need a push for movement, this phase of water is the most likely source. The phase change boundary will reduce/increase viscoelastic friction between the crust and the molten mantle materials based on tweaks in phase.

Although beyonds the need of this topic, water at even higher pressures and temperatures form even more exotic phases. Based on the pressure and temperature conditions established for the layers of the inner earth; outer and inner mantle, inner and outer core, each layer appears to reflect a water phase boundary. Water at the conditions of the core become a metal in the lab.

In terms of more nightly earthquakes, water is continuous from the atmosphere, to the oceans and crust, (sub-critical and critical water), to the mantle (superionic) to the lower mantle and outer core (ionic water) to the core (metallic water).

The sun during the day evaporates surface water. There moves positive charge upward into the atmosphere via the exposed hydrogen of water. If theoretically, all the water of the earth was integrated, from core to atmosphere, we would expect an induced election flow upward toward the surface because of solar evaporation. My guess is the iron core is rusting and releasing elections. This induced solar electron flow to the surface should make the oceans slightly alkaline; slightly negative relative the water. This is observed. Lighting make use of crust base electrons for the counter strike.

My chemical mechanism guess is the solar induced electron flow, upward through the earth's continuity of water, takes time to develop each day. The main impact on the super ionic and hydrothermal layers of water, at the phase boundary between the upper mantle and crust will occur later in the day.

Hydrothermal water is essentially separated H2O molecules, very close together but which  do not form hydrogen bonds. Instead that potential energy used to  bond with other things which give it powerful solvent power.

Super ionic water, as the term implies ionizes water molecules of super critical water,  into hydrogen proton and oxygen based ions. If we added extra elections to the super ionic water, this will impact the hydrogen proton side of the superionic phase. I can see a transitional phase back to hydrothermal with a boom! Now we have grease.
Title: Re: Why are earthquakes more likely to occur at night than during the day?
Post by: The Spoon on 05/04/2020 15:27:18
I am the water man.
Dennis?
Title: Re: Why are earthquakes more likely to occur at night than during the day?
Post by: Kryptid on 05/04/2020 19:03:54
The planets have an inclination of the orbit, but they rotate in the same plane.

Tell that to Uranus.
Title: Re: Why are earthquakes more likely to occur at night than during the day?
Post by: The Spoon on 05/04/2020 19:08:50
The planets have an inclination of the orbit, but they rotate in the same plane.

Tell that to Uranus.
Well, he is talking out of it!
Title: Re: Why are earthquakes more likely to occur at night than during the day?
Post by: Bored chemist on 07/04/2020 21:05:44
Seismologists explained why earthquakes more often occur at night. https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.mail.ru/amp/incident/35211141/

His findings were published in New Concepts in the Global Tectonics Bulletin and in the Journal of the Geophysical Union of India.
At the same time, says Kolvankar, the number of earthquakes and their intensity decreases during the day and is the lowest day (15-16 hours), and then increases until midnight.
“This typical daily painting of seismicity seems to be constant throughout the world, regardless of period, season, longitude and depth,” said Kolvankar.
BARC seismologists based their research on data collected over 36 years - between 1973 and 2008 - analyzing different monthly stages and identifying repeating phases.
OK,
Explain the actual data I posted.
Title: Re: Why are earthquakes more likely to occur at night than during the day?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 08/04/2020 08:15:03
Seismologists explained why earthquakes more often occur at night. https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.mail.ru/amp/incident/35211141/

His findings were published in New Concepts in the Global Tectonics Bulletin and in the Journal of the Geophysical Union of India.
At the same time, says Kolvankar, the number of earthquakes and their intensity decreases during the day and is the lowest day (15-16 hours), and then increases until midnight.
“This typical daily painting of seismicity seems to be constant throughout the world, regardless of period, season, longitude and depth,” said Kolvankar.
BARC seismologists based their research on data collected over 36 years - between 1973 and 2008 - analyzing different monthly stages and identifying repeating phases.
OK,
Explain the actual data I posted.
Give a link to an official source, or to a scientific work.
Title: Re: Why are earthquakes more likely to occur at night than during the day?
Post by: Bored chemist on 08/04/2020 10:12:02
Seismologists explained why earthquakes more often occur at night. https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.mail.ru/amp/incident/35211141/

His findings were published in New Concepts in the Global Tectonics Bulletin and in the Journal of the Geophysical Union of India.
At the same time, says Kolvankar, the number of earthquakes and their intensity decreases during the day and is the lowest day (15-16 hours), and then increases until midnight.
“This typical daily painting of seismicity seems to be constant throughout the world, regardless of period, season, longitude and depth,” said Kolvankar.
BARC seismologists based their research on data collected over 36 years - between 1973 and 2008 - analyzing different monthly stages and identifying repeating phases.
OK,
Explain the actual data I posted.
Give a link to an official source, or to a scientific work.
If you think there's a problem with the data then you can check back through the wiki pages.
But these were big quakes, the newspapers will have reported many of them (all teh recent ones).
So it's a red herring to say the work isn't scientific.

Stop stalling and answer the question.
Why don't the data for the big earthquakes fit with your suggestion?
Title: Re: Why are earthquakes more likely to occur at night than during the day?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 09/04/2020 08:51:57
Seismologists explained why earthquakes more often occur at night. https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.mail.ru/amp/incident/35211141/

His findings were published in New Concepts in the Global Tectonics Bulletin and in the Journal of the Geophysical Union of India.
At the same time, says Kolvankar, the number of earthquakes and their intensity decreases during the day and is the lowest day (15-16 hours), and then increases until midnight.
“This typical daily painting of seismicity seems to be constant throughout the world, regardless of period, season, longitude and depth,” said Kolvankar.
BARC seismologists based their research on data collected over 36 years - between 1973 and 2008 - analyzing different monthly stages and identifying repeating phases.
OK,
Explain the actual data I posted.
Give a link to an official source, or to a scientific work.
Title: Re: Why are earthquakes more likely to occur at night than during the day?
Post by: The Spoon on 09/04/2020 09:00:09
Earthquake hypothesis.
When an earthquake forms in the sea, a circle diverges from the epicenter, due to which tsunamis occur. This suggests that in the epicenter of the earthquake, there is a rise and lowering of the earth's crust. During strong earthquakes, cracks up to 1 m wide are formed.
The solar Coriolis effect is one of the triggers of earthquakes.
https://studfile.net/preview/5787600/
And the horizontal movement of lithospheric plates, I believe, is more likely to create an oval rather than a circle, with subtle tsunamis. https://images.app.goo.gl/Qhxbg6viwKTpWBFj9
The reason for raising and lowering the earth's crust may be the following.
1. Magma releases gases, due to which the pressure in the earth rises and the earth's crust gives a crack, from the inside. Further, the lava flow rushes into the crack and quickly stops, due to which the first push occurs. Then from the epicenter, the second wave diverges.
90 percent of volcanoes are located in earthquake zones.
2. Explosion of underground gases in contact with hot lava.
3. Daily fluctuation of centrifugal force, which, on the midnight side of the earth is higher than on the midday side.
4. Waves are killers that can occur in the mantle. 5. Collision of seismic waves in the mantle of the earth. Reflected by two small earthquakes.
What utter nonsense - again. I can see that plate tectonics is something you are utterly ignorant about.

Also - why  the obsession with 'killer waves'?
Title: Re: Why are earthquakes more likely to occur at night than during the day?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 10/04/2020 12:57:14
The reason for the geological activity of the planets is also the Solar Coriolis effect.
The higher the axial and orbital speeds of planets and satellites, the more the core of planets and satellites is heated.
The high geological activity of the satellite Jupiter Io can be explained by the fact that the axial and orbital velocity of Io is 15 times higher than that of the Moon.
The orbital speed of Io is 17 km / s, and the orbital speed of the Moon is 1 km / s.
The axial speed of Io is 1 revolution in 42 hours, and the axial speed of the Moon is 1 revolution per month.
The distance from Jupiter to Io, the surface temperature and the diameter of Io, are the same as the moon.
Jupiter, Ceres and Enceladus are also geologically active.
https://images.app.goo.gl/EC2iXou7XDLBWMB66
If Io’s satellite approaches Jupiter, then Io’s axial and orbital speed will increase, due to which the Coriolis Solar Force can tear Io into numerous pieces, which will then be located along Io’s orbit, forming a ring.
Perhaps Comet Shumeikers - Levi 9, was torn apart by the Coriolis Solar Effect when it approached Jupiter.
At perihelion, the distance from the comet to Jupiter was about 40,000 km., And the speed was 60 km / s. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comet_Shoemaker%E2%80%93Levy_9
It is possible that the asteroid belt was formed from a planet that, due to an increase in axial velocity, was torn apart by the Coriolis Solar Force.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asteroid_belt
Roche limit, there is such a version.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roche_limit
Who can confirm or refute this idea.
Title: Re: Why are earthquakes more likely to occur at night than during the day?
Post by: Bored chemist on 10/04/2020 13:15:47
Seismologists explained why earthquakes more often occur at night. https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.mail.ru/amp/incident/35211141/

His findings were published in New Concepts in the Global Tectonics Bulletin and in the Journal of the Geophysical Union of India.
At the same time, says Kolvankar, the number of earthquakes and their intensity decreases during the day and is the lowest day (15-16 hours), and then increases until midnight.
“This typical daily painting of seismicity seems to be constant throughout the world, regardless of period, season, longitude and depth,” said Kolvankar.
BARC seismologists based their research on data collected over 36 years - between 1973 and 2008 - analyzing different monthly stages and identifying repeating phases.
OK,
Explain the actual data I posted.
Give a link to an official source, or to a scientific work.
You already posted this.
I responded.
Fundamentally, you need to  answer my question.
Explain the actual data I posted.
Title: Re: Why are earthquakes more likely to occur at night than during the day?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 10/04/2020 19:44:44
Explain the actual data I posted.
Record your notes to the end.
Title: Re: Why are earthquakes more likely to occur at night than during the day?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 10/04/2020 19:45:56
Earthquake hypothesis.
Tremors are formed as a result of the explosion of a mixture of magmatic gases and water vapor, due to self-ignition of the compressed gas. An explosion can also occur from an electric discharge.
If the explosion breaks through the crust of the planet, a volcano forms, and if it does not, an earthquake occurs. In Japan, an explosion of volcanic gases crushed a mountain 670 m high, and there are quite a few such facts. 90 percent of volcanoes are located in seismically active zones. Every day on Earth, up to 5,000 earthquakes occur, which last 5-20 s on average. http://www.evgengusev.narod.ru/spb/zhirnov-2011.html

Criticism of tectonic theory of earthquakes.
1. There are no convincing facts that tectonic plates exist.
2. Tectonic plates cannot have spring properties.
3. Why earthquakes occur, both at the junction of tectonic plates, and in the center of the plate.
4. The assertion that the plates move due to the temperature difference in the bowels of the Earth is doubtful.
5. It is also doubtful that lithospheric plates can sink in the mantle of the planet, reaching the depth of the outer core.
6. A tectonic plate that slides one on top of another at a depth of up to 600 km. and a temperature of more than 1 thousand degrees, at a speed of 1-6 cm / year, will not be able to:
a) During earthquakes, move the surface of the earth, with such an amplitude and on such a scale.
b) On the crust of the earth, the force of gravity and the centrifugal force of the earth act. But because of the orbital rotation of the earth, the centrifugal force of the earth fluctuates. Due to this, the earth's crust moves, but not an earthquake. It is also possible that over the years, the volume and mass of land is growing. https://galimuhametm.wixsite.com/earthquake
Title: Re: Why are earthquakes more likely to occur at night than during the day?
Post by: Bored chemist on 10/04/2020 19:50:45
Record your notes to the end.
Rather than posting things that don't make sense,
Explain the actual data I posted.
Title: Re: Why are earthquakes more likely to occur at night than during the day?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 11/04/2020 12:45:35
Record your notes to the end.
Rather than posting things that don't make sense,
Explain the actual data I posted.
Coriolis solar power also stretches the Earth along the Earth’s orbit.
Because of the daily rotation of the Earth, that side of the Earth that is at dawn approaches the Sun at a speed of 1600 km / h, and that side of the Earth that is at sunset, moves away from the Sun at a speed of 1600 km / h. Due to this, the Coriolis Solar Power stretches the Earth along the Earth’s orbit by several meters.
For this reason, earthquakes more often occur in the morning or in the evening. A hump also forms on the midnight side of the Earth, thanks to an increase in centrifugal force.
On the noon side of the Earth, a hump does not form, and at noon earthquakes occur less frequently and are weaker.
The existence of the Coriolis humps can be easily checked if, through a fixed telescope, one observes the geostationary satellite of the Earth during the day. https://bigenc.ru/physics/text/3199621
The video shows how the Coriolis Solar Power stretches the Earth and the Moon’s orbit along the Earth’s orbit. Seismologists have found that earthquakes more often occur at night than during the day.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.mail.ru/amp/incident/35211141/
Title: Re: Why are earthquakes more likely to occur at night than during the day?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 11/04/2020 12:46:51
Seismologists explained why earthquakes more often occur at night. https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.mail.ru/amp/incident/35211141/

His findings were published in New Concepts in the Global Tectonics Bulletin and in the Journal of the Geophysical Union of India.
At the same time, says Kolvankar, the number of earthquakes and their intensity decreases during the day and is the lowest day (15-16 hours), and then increases until midnight.
“This typical daily painting of seismicity seems to be constant throughout the world, regardless of period, season, longitude and depth,” said Kolvankar.
BARC seismologists based their research on data collected over 36 years - between 1973 and 2008 - analyzing different monthly stages and identifying repeating phases.
OK,
Explain the actual data I posted.
Give a link to an official source, or to a scientific work.
Title: Re: Why are earthquakes more likely to occur at night than during the day?
Post by: Bored chemist on 11/04/2020 12:53:25
Seismologists explained why earthquakes more often occur at night. https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.mail.ru/amp/incident/35211141/

His findings were published in New Concepts in the Global Tectonics Bulletin and in the Journal of the Geophysical Union of India.
At the same time, says Kolvankar, the number of earthquakes and their intensity decreases during the day and is the lowest day (15-16 hours), and then increases until midnight.
“This typical daily painting of seismicity seems to be constant throughout the world, regardless of period, season, longitude and depth,” said Kolvankar.
BARC seismologists based their research on data collected over 36 years - between 1973 and 2008 - analyzing different monthly stages and identifying repeating phases.
OK,
Explain the actual data I posted.
Give a link to an official source, or to a scientific work.
You already posted this.
I responded.
Fundamentally, you need to  answer my question.
Explain the actual data I posted.
Title: Re: Why are earthquakes more likely to occur at night than during the day?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 14/04/2020 08:37:18
Explain the actual data I posted.
Indian scientists say earthquakes occur at night more often than during the day.
I argue that earthquakes occur more often in the morning and evening.
I checked your data, they do not contradict this hypothesis.
Title: Re: Why are earthquakes more likely to occur at night than during the day?
Post by: Bored chemist on 14/04/2020 10:33:00
I argue that earthquakes occur more often in the morning and evening.
Obviously.
Half the  day is in the morning , another few hours are in the evening.
Most hours  occur in the morning and the evening.
That doesn't actually tell us anything about  earthquakes.

I checked your data, they do not contradict this hypothesis.
Show your working.
In particular show us how 14 out of 31 isn't practically half.
Title: Re: Why are earthquakes more likely to occur at night than during the day?
Post by: Bored chemist on 14/04/2020 10:51:52
I checked your data, they do not contradict this hypothesis.
I did  some messing about in Excel.
Here's a histogram of how many quakes happened in each 3 hr segment of the day. By an amusing coincidence, teh lowest incidence occurs in the morning. You say that's when the incidence is highest.

* Quakes.JPG (33.29 kB . 525x474 - viewed 1566 times)
Title: Re: Why earthquakes more often occur in the morning and evening
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 14/04/2020 14:41:55
There is a small and not convincing difference.
But the main point of this topic is the Coriolis Solar Effect.
Title: Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
Post by: Bored chemist on 14/04/2020 15:18:05
But the main point of this topic is the Coriolis Solar Effect.

The Coriolis happens when you travel in what seems like a straight line on the surface of a rotating object.
If you travel on the surface of the Sun, you die- instantly.
There are no Earth quakes on the surface of the Sun.

What do you imagine that  "Coriolis Solar Effect." actually means?

Title: Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 14/04/2020 17:21:37
What do you imagine that  "Coriolis Solar Effect." actually means?
The high geological activity of the satellite of Jupiter Io, convincingly proves that the Solar Coriolis effect exists.

The higher the axial and orbital speeds of planets and satellites, the more the core of planets and satellites is heated.
The high geological activity of the satellite Jupiter Io can be explained by the fact that the axial and orbital velocity of Io is 15 times higher than that of the Moon.
The orbital speed of Io is 17 km / s, and the orbital speed of the Moon is 1 km / s.
The axial speed of Io is 1 revolution in 42 hours, and the axial speed of the Moon is 1 revolution per month.
The distance from Jupiter to Io, the surface temperature and the diameter of Io, are the same as the moon.
Jupiter, Ceres and Enceladus are also geologically active.
Volcanoes on Earth formed when the Earth rotated much faster. Now, due to the low geological activity of the earth, lava cannot break through to the surface of the earth and new volcanoes do not form.
On the moon, the amplitude of moonquakes reaches 5 points and new volcanoes also do not form.
https://images.app.goo.gl/EC2iXou7XDLBWMB66
If Io’s satellite approaches Jupiter, then Io’s axial and orbital speed will increase, due to which the Coriolis Solar Force can tear Io into numerous pieces, which will then be located along Io’s orbit, forming a ring.
Perhaps Comet Shumeikers - Levi 9, was torn apart by the Coriolis Solar Effect when it approached Jupiter.
At perihelion, the distance from the comet to Jupiter was about 40,000 km., And the speed was 60 km / s. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comet_Shoemaker%E2%80%93Levy_9
It is possible that the asteroid belt was formed from a planet that, due to an increase in axial velocity, was torn apart by the Coriolis Solar Force.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asteroid_belt
Roche limit, there is such a version.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roche_limit
Title: Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
Post by: The Spoon on 14/04/2020 19:28:13
What do you imagine that  "Coriolis Solar Effect." actually means?
The high geological activity of the satellite of Jupiter Io, convincingly proves that the Solar Coriolis effect exists.

The higher the axial and orbital speeds of planets and satellites, the more the core of planets and satellites is heated.
The high geological activity of the satellite Jupiter Io can be explained by the fact that the axial and orbital velocity of Io is 15 times higher than that of the Moon.
The orbital speed of Io is 17 km / s, and the orbital speed of the Moon is 1 km / s.
The axial speed of Io is 1 revolution in 42 hours, and the axial speed of the Moon is 1 revolution per month.
The distance from Jupiter to Io, the surface temperature and the diameter of Io, are the same as the moon.
Jupiter, Ceres and Enceladus are also geologically active.
Volcanoes on Earth formed when the Earth rotated much faster. Now, due to the low geological activity of the earth, lava cannot break through to the surface of the earth and new volcanoes do not form.
On the moon, the amplitude of moonquakes reaches 5 points and new volcanoes also do not form.
https://images.app.goo.gl/EC2iXou7XDLBWMB66
If Io’s satellite approaches Jupiter, then Io’s axial and orbital speed will increase, due to which the Coriolis Solar Force can tear Io into numerous pieces, which will then be located along Io’s orbit, forming a ring.
Perhaps Comet Shumeikers - Levi 9, was torn apart by the Coriolis Solar Effect when it approached Jupiter.
At perihelion, the distance from the comet to Jupiter was about 40,000 km., And the speed was 60 km / s. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comet_Shoemaker%E2%80%93Levy_9
It is possible that the asteroid belt was formed from a planet that, due to an increase in axial velocity, was torn apart by the Coriolis Solar Force.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asteroid_belt
Roche limit, there is such a version.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roche_limit
That does not answer BC's Question, which was:

What do you imagine that  "Coriolis Solar Effect." actually means?

From your string of factoids above, I am not sure that you do understand it.

Also your assertion:
'Now, due to the low geological activity of the earth, lava cannot break through to the surface of the earth and new volcanoes do not form'
Is as usual demonstrably nonsense please see for example:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/01/200106125127.htm

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/lists/new-volcanic-islands-emerged/

Please stop posting nonsense. You are merely making yourself look even more foolish than we assumed you were.
Title: Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
Post by: Bored chemist on 14/04/2020 20:53:40
The high geological activity of the satellite of Jupiter Io, convincingly proves that the Solar Coriolis effect exists.
Two problems.
1 That's wrong
"With over 400 active volcanoes, Io is the most geologically active object in the Solar System.[10][11][12] This extreme geologic activity is the result of tidal heating from friction generated within Io's interior as it is pulled between Jupiter and the other Galilean satellites—Europa, Ganymede and Callisto. "
from
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Io_(moon)

Second it doesn't answer the question.
What do you imagine that  "Coriolis Solar Effect." actually means?
Title: Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 14/04/2020 21:10:26
Also your assertion:
'Now, due to the low geological activity of the earth, lava cannot break through to the surface of the earth and new volcanoes do not form'
On earth, volcanic mountains 5-6 km high., Formed when the Earth rotated much faster. Now, due to a decrease in the speed of the earth, the geological activity of the earth has also decreased.
Title: Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 14/04/2020 21:16:47
What do you imagine that  "Coriolis Solar Effect." actually means?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriolis_force
Title: Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
Post by: Bored chemist on 14/04/2020 22:07:03
I already pointed out that I know what the coriolis force is.
The Coriolis happens when you travel in what seems like a straight line on the surface of a rotating object.

So I don't need some fool to post a wiki link.

However what I asked was this

What do you imagine that  "Coriolis Solar Effect." actually means?

And I'm starting to think that the reason you don't answer is that either you don't know, or it is some nonsense you made up, and it means nothing.

On earth, volcanic mountains 5-6 km high., Formed when the Earth rotated much faster. Now, due to a decrease in the speed of the earth, the geological activity of the earth has also decreased.
Everest is 8 km high and rising.

Do you not realise that people can just google stuff like that and show that your ideas are absurdly wrong?
Title: Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
Post by: The Spoon on 14/04/2020 22:34:28
Also your assertion:
'Now, due to the low geological activity of the earth, lava cannot break through to the surface of the earth and new volcanoes do not form'
On earth, volcanic mountains 5-6 km high., Formed when the Earth rotated much faster. Now, due to a decrease in the speed of the earth, the geological activity of the earth has also decreased.
So geology is something else  you know nothing about then? You are just making yourself look even more stupid.
Title: Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 15/04/2020 17:57:46
The Coriolis happens when you travel in what seems like a straight line on the surface of a rotating object.
The Coriolis effect occurs when an object approaches or moves away from the axis of the Earth, or the Sun, in a straight line, or along a curve.
Rivers and trains moving along a curve. In a straight line, nothing moves in nature.
The earth is not flat.
Title: Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
Post by: The Spoon on 15/04/2020 19:31:52
The Coriolis happens when you travel in what seems like a straight line on the surface of a rotating object.
The Coriolis effect occurs when an object approaches or moves away from the axis of the Earth, or the Sun, in a straight line, or along a curve.
Rivers and trains moving along a curve. In a straight line, nothing moves in nature.
The earth is not flat.
Why have you removed your previous post from 22.38 yesterday which is quoted above and does not define coriolis force but is just obfuscation?
Also, nobody on here said the earth was flat so stop posting nonsense, as you are making yourself look even more stupid.
Title: Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 15/04/2020 19:53:51
Are the stars hanging motionless over the poles of the galaxy?
a) Without a doubt, this is levitation and contradicts elementary logic.
b) Whether the planet can hang motionless, above the pole of the sun. http://www.astro.caltech.edu/ay1/Ay1_main.html
Who can answer this question.
Title: Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
Post by: The Spoon on 15/04/2020 20:01:49
7. Above the north and south poles of the sun, planets cannot be located, because they will quickly fall to the pole of the sun.
And the stars that are above the poles of the galaxy, for some reason, do not fall.
Who can answer this question. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galaxy http://www.astro.caltech.edu/ay1/Ay1_main.html
What question? You have shared a link to wikipedia page on galaxies - that is not a question.
Why dont you answer the questions above instead of trying to distract attention from your many failings?
Title: Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
Post by: Bored chemist on 15/04/2020 20:08:33
The question might be "why am I so wrong about this?
There are no answers to the following questions:
...
7. Above the north and south poles of the sun, planets cannot be located, because they will quickly fall to the pole of the sun.

even after people have explained circumpolar orbits to me"
Title: Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
Post by: Kryptid on 15/04/2020 20:35:55
Who can answer this question.

It's already been answered.
Title: Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
Post by: Bored chemist on 15/04/2020 20:41:01
The Coriolis happens when you travel in what seems like a straight line on the surface of a rotating object.
The Coriolis effect occurs when an object approaches or moves away from the axis of the Earth, or the Sun, in a straight line, or along a curve.
Rivers and trains moving along a curve. In a straight line, nothing moves in nature.
The earth is not flat.
Nobody said it was.

On the other hand, I did ask you a question.
I'd still like an answer.


What do you imagine that  "Coriolis Solar Effect." actually means?

We know what the Coriolis effect is.
I want to know why you have stuck the word "solar" into the middle of it.
In particular, why have you done that in the context of Io where the  effects are nothing to do with the Sun.
Title: Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 16/04/2020 08:31:38
Why have you removed your previous post from 22.38
There were two of them.
Title: Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 16/04/2020 08:39:21
We know what the Coriolis effect is.
I want to know why you have stuck the word "solar" into the middle of it.
In particular, why have you done that in the context of Io where the  effects are nothing to do with the Sun.
This is a new idea. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levitation_(paranormal)
Title: Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 16/04/2020 08:44:54
The question might be "why am I so wrong about this?
There are no answers to the following questions:
...
Are the stars hanging motionless over the poles of the galaxy?
a) Without a doubt, this is levitation and contradicts elementary logic.
b) Whether the planet can hang motionless, above the pole of the sun. http://www.astro.caltech.edu/ay1/Ay1_main.html

even after people have explained circumpolar orbits to me"
Maybe this is levitation. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levitation_(paranormal)
Title: Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
Post by: The Spoon on 16/04/2020 09:03:54
The question might be "why am I so wrong about this?
There are no answers to the following questions:
...
7. In the solar system, above the north and south poles of the sun, planets cannot be located, because they will quickly fall to the pole of the sun.
And the stars that are above the poles of the galaxy, for some reason, do not fall. http://www.astro.caltech.edu/ay1/Ay1_main.html

even after people have explained circumpolar orbits to me"
Maybe this is levitation.
Seriously? Why do you post such utter crap?
Title: Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
Post by: Bored chemist on 16/04/2020 13:32:54
We know what the Coriolis effect is.
I want to know why you have stuck the word "solar" into the middle of it.
In particular, why have you done that in the context of Io where the  effects are nothing to do with the Sun.
This is a new idea. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levitation_(paranormal)
Levitation is an old, but imaginary idea.

It has nothing to do with the Sun, or the Coriolis effect.


On the other hand, I did ask you a question.
I'd still like an answer.


Quote from: Bored chemist on 14/04/2020 15:18:05
What do you imagine that  "Coriolis Solar Effect." actually means?

We know what the Coriolis effect is.
I want to know why you have stuck the word "solar" into the middle of it.
In particular, why have you done that in the context of Io where the  effects are nothing to do with the Sun.
Title: Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 16/04/2020 14:10:57
If not for the solar power of Coriolis, comets would have fallen on the Sun.
Title: Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
Post by: The Spoon on 16/04/2020 14:46:09
If not for the solar power of Coriolis, comets would have fallen on the Sun.
Are you posting this as a joke or are you really that ignorant?
Title: Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
Post by: Bored chemist on 16/04/2020 15:46:56
If not for the solar power of Coriolis, comets would have fallen on the Sun.
Comets continuously fall towards the Sun, but they miss.
That's what an orbit means.


Quote from: Bored chemist on 14/04/2020 15:18:05
What do you imagine that  "Coriolis Solar Effect." actually means?

We know what the Coriolis effect is.
I want to know why you have stuck the word "solar" into the middle of it.
In particular, why have you done that in the context of Io where the  effects are nothing to do with the Sun.
Title: Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
Post by: Kryptid on 16/04/2020 16:40:52
Maybe this is levitation. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levitation_(paranormal)

It isn't.
Title: Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 16/04/2020 16:59:17
Maybe this is levitation. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levitation_(paranormal)

It isn't.
How do you explain this?
Title: Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
Post by: Kryptid on 16/04/2020 17:01:07
How do you explain this?

Why do you keep asking a question that has already been answered? Are you under the impression that answers change when you ask a question enough times?
Title: Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
Post by: Bored chemist on 16/04/2020 18:18:23
Maybe this is levitation. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levitation_(paranormal)

It isn't.
How do you explain this?
Do you mean how do I explain this tourist trap trick?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levitation_(paranormal)#/media/File%3ACzech-2013-Prague-Street_performers_(crop).jpg
Title: Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 16/04/2020 19:23:31
How do you explain this?
Why do you keep asking a question that has already been answered?
No one has yet been able to answer this question and cannot.

"Are the stars hanging motionless over the poles of the galaxy?
a) This is called levitation, and contradicts elementary logic.
b) Whether the planet can hang motionless, above the pole of the sun. http://www.astro.caltech.edu/ay1/Ay1_main.html
Title: Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
Post by: Kryptid on 16/04/2020 20:06:46
No one has yet been able to answer this question and cannot.

Two words: circumpolar orbit.

And the stars that hang motionless above the poles of the galaxy

Please provide a reputable source that supports your assertion that those stars are motionless.
Title: Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 16/04/2020 21:10:52
Your answer is a hidden form of recognition of the adversary.
Title: Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
Post by: Bored chemist on 16/04/2020 21:17:34
Your answer is a hidden form of recognition of the adversary.
No
Let's be clear; you are no "adversary", you are just some twit who keeps getting stuff wrong.
Title: Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
Post by: Bored chemist on 16/04/2020 21:18:39
And the stars that hang motionless above the poles of the galaxy,

Do you mean the pole star?
That's not in orbit round the Sun.
Title: Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
Post by: The Spoon on 16/04/2020 21:37:07
Your answer is a hidden form of recognition of the adversary.
It appears that you are both an idiot and deluded.
Title: Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
Post by: Bored chemist on 16/04/2020 21:46:43
Only a moron can call a person a fool.
I never call anyone a fool.
Why not?
It seems you think yourself qualified.

Anyway, how about you stop acting teh fool, and get on with answering this
We know what the Coriolis effect is.
I want to know why you have stuck the word "solar" into the middle of it.
In particular, why have you done that in the context of Io where the  effects are nothing to do with the Sun.
Title: Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
Post by: Kryptid on 16/04/2020 21:51:23
Your answer is a hidden form of recognition of the adversary.

I can't quite parse that in English.

I'll post this request again:

Please provide a reputable source that supports your assertion that those stars are motionless.
Title: Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 16/04/2020 21:54:31
To this question, I answered as best I could, I can’t think for you.
Title: Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 16/04/2020 21:56:15
2. In the solar system, all eight planets revolve around the sun in the same plane.
a) And the stars, revolving around the nucleus of the galaxy, form dozens of planes.
b) What force is involved in the formation of the lenticular shape of the galaxy.
c) Within the laws of celestial mechanics, stars can rotate around the core of the galaxy, only in one plane, similar to the planets of the solar system.
d) Do the orbits of stars intersect in irregular and other galaxies?
3. Around the north and south poles of the sun, planets will not be able to rotate.
a) And around the poles of the galaxy stars rotate.
4. The claim that globular star clusters revolve around spiral galaxies also goes beyond celestial mechanics.
Who will be able to answer the next question.
Title: Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
Post by: Bored chemist on 16/04/2020 22:01:51
To this question, I answered as best I could, I can’t think for you.
So, you use the phrase
Coriolis Solar Force
repeatedly, but you can't tell us what it means.

Do you think that's a good way to communicate?
Title: Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
Post by: Kryptid on 16/04/2020 22:02:50
To this question, I answered as best I could, I can’t think for you.

Where did you post a link showing that the stars are motionless?

Who will be able to answer the next question.

Those questions have been answered as well. But you didn't like the answers, so you ignored them in favor of a wrong answer.
Title: Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
Post by: Bored chemist on 16/04/2020 22:03:55
Who will be able to answer the next question.
Presumably not you, because you don't seem to understand much.
Title: Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
Post by: The Spoon on 16/04/2020 22:14:58
Only a moron can call a person a fool.
I never call anyone a fool.
Regardless of his experience and rank.
Not at all. If somebody acts like one they are worthy of the name. You have proved yourself one by posting utter nonsense.
Title: Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 17/04/2020 08:07:44
The reason for the geological activity of the planets is also the Solar Coriolis effect.
The higher the axial and orbital speeds of planets and satellites, the more the core of planets and satellites is heated.
The high geological activity of the satellite Jupiter Io can be explained by the fact that the axial and orbital velocity of Io is 15 times higher than that of the Moon.
The orbital speed of Io is 17 km / s, and the orbital speed of the moon is 1 km / s.
The axial speed of Io is 1 revolution in 42 hours, and the axial speed of the Moon is 1 revolution per month.
The distance from Jupiter to Io, the surface temperature and the diameter of Io, are the same as that of the Moon.
Geologically active are also Earth, Jupiter, Ceres, Enceladus and others.
And the geological activity of Venus and Mercury, due to the slow rotation, is extremely low. https://images.app.goo.gl/EC2iXou7XDLBWMB66
If Io’s satellite approaches Jupiter, then Io’s axial and orbital speed will increase, due to which the Coriolis Solar Force can tear Io into numerous pieces, which will then be located along Io’s orbit, forming a ring.
Perhaps the Comet of the Shumeikers - Levi 9, was torn by the Coriolis Solar Effect, when it, at perihelion, approached Jupiter.
At the time of the comet rupture, the distance from Jupiter to the comet reached about 40,000 km., And the orbital speed of 60 km / s. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comet_Shoemaker%E2%80%93Levy_9
It is possible that the asteroid belt was formed from a planet that, due to an increase in axial velocity, was torn apart by the Coriolis Solar Force.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asteroid_belt
Roche limit, there is such a version.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roche_limit
According to the lunar "theory of the tides", for the formation of the "tidal effect" Io must necessarily rotate around its own axis relative to Jupiter, and Io is always directed with one side to Jupiter.
Title: Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 17/04/2020 08:16:17
The question might be "why am I so wrong about this?
There are no answers to the following questions:
...
Are the stars hanging motionless over the poles of the galaxy?
a) This is called levitation, and contradicts elementary logic.
b) Whether the planet can hang motionless, above the pole of the sun.

even after people have explained circumpolar orbits to me"
Circumpolar orbits do not exist in nature.
Title: Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
Post by: Bored chemist on 17/04/2020 09:34:18
The question might be "why am I so wrong about this?
There are no answers to the following questions:
...
7. Will the planets be able to hang motionless above the poles of the sun. No, planets will fall to the poles.
And above the poles of the galaxy, a star hangs motionless, resembling levitation, how to understand this?

even after people have explained circumpolar orbits to me"
Circumpolar orbits do not exist in nature.
Prove it.
Title: Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
Post by: Bored chemist on 17/04/2020 09:35:49
The reason for the geological activity of the planets is also the Solar Coriolis effect.
The higher the axial and orbital speeds of planets and satellites, the more the core of planets and satellites is heated.
The high geological activity of the satellite Jupiter Io can be explained by the fact that the axial and orbital velocity of Io is 15 times higher than that of the Moon.
The orbital speed of Io is 17 km / s, and the orbital speed of the moon is 1 km / s.
The axial speed of Io is 1 revolution in 42 hours, and the axial speed of the Moon is 1 revolution per month.
The distance from Jupiter to Io, the surface temperature and the diameter of Io, are the same as that of the Moon.
Geologically active are also Earth, Jupiter, Ceres, Enceladus and others.
And the geological activity of Venus and Mercury, due to the slow rotation, is extremely low. https://images.app.goo.gl/EC2iXou7XDLBWMB66
If Io’s satellite approaches Jupiter, then Io’s axial and orbital speed will increase, due to which the Coriolis Solar Force can tear Io into numerous pieces, which will then be located along Io’s orbit, forming a ring.
Perhaps the Comet of the Shumeikers - Levi 9, was torn by the Coriolis Solar Effect, when it, at perihelion, approached Jupiter.
At the time of the comet rupture, the distance from Jupiter to the comet reached about 40,000 km., And the orbital speed of 60 km / s. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comet_Shoemaker%E2%80%93Levy_9
It is possible that the asteroid belt was formed from a planet that, due to an increase in axial velocity, was torn apart by the Coriolis Solar Force.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asteroid_belt
Roche limit, there is such a version.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roche_limit
According to the lunar "theory of the tides", for the formation of the "tidal effect" Io must necessarily rotate around its own axis relative to Jupiter, and Io is always directed with one side to Jupiter.
So what?
The volcanic activity on Io is due to interactions with Jupiter's other moons.
Title: Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
Post by: Kryptid on 17/04/2020 17:28:27
Circumpolar orbits do not exist in nature.

You seem to have forgotten about 2014 LM28 and 2008 KV42, which have orbital inclinations of 84.739 degrees and 103.4 degrees respectively. You have been corrected about this before. Don't make this mistake again.
Title: Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 17/04/2020 18:14:48
You can give a link to this information.
Title: Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
Post by: Bored chemist on 17/04/2020 18:19:53
You can give a link to this information.
Here is a link to show that you have been told this before
There are no answers to the following questions:
1. In the solar system, all eight planets revolve around the sun in the same plane.
And around the core of the galaxy, stars rotate in several planes.
2. Around the north and south poles of the sun, planets cannot rotate.
And around the north and south poles of the galaxy, stars revolve.
3. Above the north and south poles of the sun, planets cannot be located; they will fall on the sun.
And above the poles of the galaxy, there are stars and do not fall.
4. Do the orbits of stars intersect in round galaxies.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galaxy http://www.astro.caltech.edu/ay1/Ay1_main.html

1-3 are not questions, they are statements (mostly incorrect ones, at that).

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1. In the solar system, all eight planets revolve around the sun in the same plane.

No they don't. Each one has its orbit tilted relative to the Sun's equator at least a bit. If you include minor bodies like Pluto and comets, the degree of tilt is far more extreme. As a matter of fact, the trans-Neptunian objects 2014 LM28 and 2008 KV42 have orbital inclinations of 84.7 and 103.4 degrees, respectively. Neither has fallen onto the Sun, despite being in practically polar orbits.

Generally speaking, the planets are close to the same plane because they all formed from the same original gas cloud.

2. Around the north and south poles of the sun, planets cannot rotate.

2014 LM28 and 2008 KV42 disagree with you.

3. Above the north and south poles of the sun, planets cannot be located; they will fall on the sun.

2014 LM28 and 2008 KV42 disagree with you.

4. Do the orbits of stars intersect in round galaxies.

Due to the distances involved, you'd expect that to happen very, very rarely.
Title: Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
Post by: Kryptid on 17/04/2020 21:00:46
You can give a link to this information.

For 2014 LM28: https://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=2523719

For 2008 KV42: https://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=3418144
Title: Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
Post by: The Spoon on 17/04/2020 22:21:32
You can give a link to this information.
Funny, you ask people to give links to i formation, but when asked for evidence that you understand coriolis you are strangely silent and in fact change the subject.
Title: Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 18/04/2020 07:05:16
There are no answers to the following questions:

1. Stars hang above the poles of the galaxy?
a) Without a doubt, this is levitation and contradicts elementary logic.
b) Whether the planet can hang motionless, above the pole of the sun. http://www.astro.caltech.edu/ay1/Ay1_main.html
2. In the solar system, all eight planets revolve around the sun in the same plane.
a) And the stars, revolving around the nucleus of the galaxy, form dozens of planes.
b) What force is involved in the formation of the lenticular shape of the galaxy.
c) Within the laws of celestial mechanics, stars can rotate around the core of the galaxy, only in one plane, similar to the planets of the solar system.
d) Do the orbits of stars intersect in irregular and other galaxies?
3. Around the north and south poles of the sun, planets will not be able to rotate.
a) And around the poles of the galaxy stars rotate.
4. The claim that globular star clusters revolve around spiral galaxies also goes beyond celestial mechanics. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galaxy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globular_cluster
For globular star clusters to rotate around the center of the galaxy, the galaxy itself must rotate around the center, and not be in free flight.
Title: Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
Post by: Bored chemist on 18/04/2020 12:20:13
There are no answers to the following questions:
YES THERE ARE.
Title: Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
Post by: The Spoon on 18/04/2020 14:03:18
There are no answers to the following questions:
1. Stars hang above the poles of the galaxy?
a) If it is levitation, then how does it work.
b) Whether the planet can hang motionless, above the pole of the sun. http://www.astro.caltech.edu/ay1/Ay1_main.html
2. Stars revolving around the galactic nucleus form dozens of planes.
a) What force prevents the stars from spinning around the galactic core in one plane.
b) What force is involved in the formation of the lenticular shape of the galaxy.
c) Within the laws of celestial mechanics, stars can rotate around the galactic nucleus in only one plane, similar to the planets of the solar system.
d) In the solar system, all eight planets revolve around the sun in one plane.
e) Do the orbits of stars intersect in irregular and other galaxies.
f) Like the stars of the galaxy, objects of the solar system can theoretically rotate around the equator and the meridian, forming dozens of planes, and in practice, they will quickly collide with each other.
4. The claim that globular star clusters revolve around spiral galaxies also goes beyond celestial mechanics.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galaxy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globular_cluster
For globular star clusters to rotate around the center of the galaxy, the galaxy itself must rotate around the center, and not be in free flight.
Looks like once again you have posted something and then deleted it. I did read it - lots of stuff copied and pasted about coriolis force which was nice but didnt show thar you comprehended it.
The rest seemed to be links to other fora where you have posted the same nonsense as here.

Why?
Title: Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 19/04/2020 12:48:40
There are no answers to the following questions:

1. Stars hang above the poles of the galaxy?
a) Without a doubt, this is levitation and contradicts elementary logic.
b) Whether the planet can hang motionless, above the pole of the sun. http://www.astro.caltech.edu/ay1/Ay1_main.html
2. In the solar system, all eight planets revolve around the sun in the same plane.
a) And the stars, revolving around the nucleus of the galaxy, form dozens of planes.
b) What force is involved in the formation of the lenticular shape of the galaxy.
c) Within the laws of celestial mechanics, stars can rotate around the core of the galaxy, only in one plane, similar to the planets of the solar system.
d) Do the orbits of stars intersect in irregular and other galaxies?
3. Around the north and south poles of the sun, planets will not be able to rotate.
a) And around the poles of the galaxy stars rotate.
4. The claim that globular star clusters revolve around spiral galaxies also goes beyond celestial mechanics.
a) For globular star clusters to rotate around the center of the galaxy, the galaxy itself must rotate around the center, and not be in free flight. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galaxy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globular_cluster
Who will be able to answer the next question.
Title: Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
Post by: Bored chemist on 19/04/2020 12:50:14
Do the orbits of stars intersect in irregular and other galaxies?
Yes.
Title: Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 22/04/2020 05:33:50
Earthquake hypothesis.
The cause of tremors may be an explosion of underground gases as a result of self-ignition of compressed gas. An explosion can also occur, and from an electric discharge.
If the explosion breaks through the crust of the planet, a volcano forms; if it does not, an earthquake occurs. In Japan, an explosion of volcanic gases crushed a mountain 670 m high, and there are quite a few such facts. 90 percent of volcanoes are located in seismically active zones. Every day on Earth, up to 5,000 earthquakes occur, which, on average, last 5-20s. http://www.evgengusev.narod.ru/spb/zhirnov-2011.html
Seismologists have found that earthquakes more often occur at night than during the day.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.mail.ru/amp/incident/35211141/

Criticism of tectonic theory of earthquakes.
1. There are no convincing facts that tectonic plates exist.
2. Tectonic plates cannot have spring properties.
3. Why earthquakes occur, both at the junction of tectonic plates, and in the center of the plate?
4. The assertion that the plates move due to the temperature difference in the bowels of the Earth is doubtful.
5. It is also doubtful that lithospheric plates can sink in the mantle of the planet, reaching the depth of the outer core.
a) If the lower lithospheric plates easily sink in the mantle of the earth, then during the movement of the plates, the lower plate should easily fall down.
b) You can conduct a simple experiment, if in the pool, to move towards each other, two rubber or wooden plates.
6. A tectonic plate that slides one on top of another at a depth of up to 600 km. and a temperature of more than 1 thousand degrees, at a speed of 1-6 cm / year, will not be able to:
a) During earthquakes, move the surface of the earth, with such an amplitude and on such a scale.
7) On the crust of the earth, the force of gravity and the centrifugal force of the earth act. But because of the orbital rotation of the earth, the centrifugal force of the earth fluctuates. Due to this, there is a mixing of the earth's crust, but not an earthquake. Also, it is possible that over the years, the volume and mass of land is growing. https://galimuhametm.wixsite.com/earthquake
Title: Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 23/04/2020 10:59:19
According to the tectonic theory of earthquakes, the epicenters and hypocenters of all earthquakes should be in the same place.
a) But in reality, earthquakes occur, both at the junction of tectonic plates, and in the center of the plate?
Title: Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
Post by: Bored chemist on 23/04/2020 11:21:19
Earthquake hypothesis.
The cause of tremors may be an explosion of underground gases as a result of self-ignition of compressed gas. An explosion can also occur, and from an electric discharge.
You can't ignite gas unless there's air present.
Your hypothesis fails basic science.

I suggest you learn some.
1. There are no convincing facts that tectonic plates exist.
Apart from geology.
The assertion that the plates move due to the temperature difference in the bowels of the Earth is doubtful.
Why?
Don't you believe that it's hot down there?
If you have heat generated in a liquid you will get convection currents.
In what way is that "doubtful"?
Or is the doubt just stuff you made up?


It is also doubtful that lithospheric plates can sink in the mantle of the planet, reaching the depth of the outer core.
Unlike ice vs water, solid rock is denser than molten rock.
Of course it sinks.
You can conduct a simple experiment, if in the pool, to move towards each other, two rubber or wooden plates.
Is an experiment in a pool likely to be relevant?
Anyway, what you posted makes no sense.
The Russian cartoon doesn't help us much.

will not be able to:
a) During earthquakes, move the surface of the earth, with such an amplitude and on such a scale.
By observation, yes they do.
On the crust of the earth, the force of gravity and the centrifugal force of the earth act. But because of the orbital rotation of the earth, the centrifugal force of the earth fluctuates. Due to this, there is a mixing of the earth's crust, but not an earthquake.
That  does not make sense.
Title: Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
Post by: puppypower on 23/04/2020 12:11:37
One wild card variable that needs to a added, is that the core of the earth rotates faster than the surface. This is an observation that has been published in the scientific literature. However, many experts wish to ignore it, since it is a huge spoiler to all existing theory. This extra core rotation is relatively slow, but much faster than geological movement.

http://www.columbia.edu/cu/record/archives/vol22/vol22_iss1/Core_Spin.html (http://www.columbia.edu/cu/record/archives/vol22/vol22_iss1/Core_Spin.html)

One would expect viscoelastic friction between the faster moving core and the outer core/upper mantle, which then drags the slower moving surface. The slower moving surface is closer to the moon and is more impacted by the gravity of the moon. There should be stresses on the surface. If we did not have earthquakes, to release the stresses, I would be very surprised.

Science needs to adapt to the latest data and not ignore what is inconvenient to the bureaucratic traditions and power structure. Nobody even mentions this revolutionary new observational data. Either scientists are not curious, or pseudo-censorship is in effect. The data was published but without any fanfare hoping it goes away.

The way science should work is such new data should be widely proclaimed, and a formal declaration be made that states something like, " all existing theory for the earth, has been brought into question by some new revolutionary observational data. For now on, all that was considered infallible, is now once again part of alternative theory. Let the gold rush begin. "

This would be better for science, since it would stimulate the creative minds, who will prospect for gold. This give incentive for progress since the creators would be on equal footing with the obsolete, instead of under the thumb of the obsolete as is now the case.

Science does not have its own resources, but is beholden on others like government, business and private donations for it's funding. These all have influence, as to what shall be in science. You bring the basketball to the game, you get to set the rules. This is about the money. No politician or bureaucrat will allow anything to change, if that change can make them look bad or foolish. The progress of science suffers. This is why we are in the bronze and rusty metal age of science. There is no excuse for this. 




Title: Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
Post by: Bored chemist on 23/04/2020 12:30:17
The data was published but without any fanfare hoping it goes away.
Almost everything in science is published without fanfare.
Not because people want it to go away, but simply because there's stacks of it.

Now, let's see what actually happened

"Inner core super-rotation is a theorized eastward rotation of the inner core of Earth relative to its mantle, for a net rotation rate that is faster than Earth as a whole. A 1995 model of Earth's dynamo predicted super-rotations of up to 3 degrees per year; the following year, this prediction was supported by observed discrepancies "

So, the theorists predicted the effect based on the models which you are trying to say it doesn't agree with.
And the experimentalists looked for, and found the effect.

That's pretty much the opposite of what you said.

Why did you tell that fairy tale about censorship?
Title: Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
Post by: Bored chemist on 23/04/2020 12:31:40
Science does not have its own resources, but is beholden on others like government, business and private donations...
A grand total of none of whom care about the rotation of the Earth's core.
Title: Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
Post by: The Spoon on 23/04/2020 18:02:38
One wild card variable that needs to a added, is that the core of the earth rotates faster than the surface. This is an observation that has been published in the scientific literature. However, many experts wish to ignore it, since it is a huge spoiler to all existing theory. This extra core rotation is relatively slow, but much faster than geological movement.

http://www.columbia.edu/cu/record/archives/vol22/vol22_iss1/Core_Spin.html (http://www.columbia.edu/cu/record/archives/vol22/vol22_iss1/Core_Spin.html)

One would expect viscoelastic friction between the faster moving core and the outer core/upper mantle, which then drags the slower moving surface. The slower moving surface is closer to the moon and is more impacted by the gravity of the moon. There should be stresses on the surface. If we did not have earthquakes, to release the stresses, I would be very surprised.

Science needs to adapt to the latest data and not ignore what is inconvenient to the bureaucratic traditions and power structure. Nobody even mentions this revolutionary new observational data. Either scientists are not curious, or pseudo-censorship is in effect. The data was published but without any fanfare hoping it goes away.

The way science should work is such new data should be widely proclaimed, and a formal declaration be made that states something like, " all existing theory for the earth, has been brought into question by some new revolutionary observational data. For now on, all that was considered infallible, is now once again part of alternative theory. Let the gold rush begin. "

This would be better for science, since it would stimulate the creative minds, who will prospect for gold. This give incentive for progress since the creators would be on equal footing with the obsolete, instead of under the thumb of the obsolete as is now the case.

Science does not have its own resources, but is beholden on others like government, business and private donations for it's funding. These all have influence, as to what shall be in science. You bring the basketball to the game, you get to set the rules. This is about the money. No politician or bureaucrat will allow anything to change, if that change can make them look bad or foolish. The progress of science suffers. This is why we are in the bronze and rusty metal age of science. There is no excuse for this. 





The kind of anti- science idiocy we expect from you, which purely to demonstrate that you and your ilk really do not understand how science works so you content yourself with posting idiotic nonsense.
Title: Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
Post by: puppypower on 24/04/2020 14:10:54
One wild card variable that needs to a added, is that the core of the earth rotates faster than the surface. This is an observation that has been published in the scientific literature. However, many experts wish to ignore it, since it is a huge spoiler to all existing theory. This extra core rotation is relatively slow, but much faster than geological movement.

http://www.columbia.edu/cu/record/archives/vol22/vol22_iss1/Core_Spin.html (http://www.columbia.edu/cu/record/archives/vol22/vol22_iss1/Core_Spin.html)

One would expect viscoelastic friction between the faster moving core and the outer core/upper mantle, which then drags the slower moving surface. The slower moving surface is closer to the moon and is more impacted by the gravity of the moon. There should be stresses on the surface. If we did not have earthquakes, to release the stresses, I would be very surprised.

Science needs to adapt to the latest data and not ignore what is inconvenient to the bureaucratic traditions and power structure. Nobody even mentions this revolutionary new observational data. Either scientists are not curious, or pseudo-censorship is in effect. The data was published but without any fanfare hoping it goes away.

The way science should work is such new data should be widely proclaimed, and a formal declaration be made that states something like, " all existing theory for the earth, has been brought into question by some new revolutionary observational data. For now on, all that was considered infallible, is now once again part of alternative theory. Let the gold rush begin. "

This would be better for science, since it would stimulate the creative minds, who will prospect for gold. This give incentive for progress since the creators would be on equal footing with the obsolete, instead of under the thumb of the obsolete as is now the case.

Science does not have its own resources, but is beholden on others like government, business and private donations for it's funding. These all have influence, as to what shall be in science. You bring the basketball to the game, you get to set the rules. This is about the money. No politician or bureaucrat will allow anything to change, if that change can make them look bad or foolish. The progress of science suffers. This is why we are in the bronze and rusty metal age of science. There is no excuse for this. 





The kind of anti- science idiocy we expect from you, which purely to demonstrate that you and your ilk really do not understand how science works so you content yourself with posting idiotic nonsense.

There is other recent data that needs to be taken into account. For example, water has been found in large quantifies, inside the earth. The first team who notice this found an ocean sized pool of water, below the crust near south east Asia, in about 2004. More recently, larger pools of water have been found even deeper, approaching the earth's core.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn25723-massive-ocean-discovered-towards-earths-core/ (https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn25723-massive-ocean-discovered-towards-earths-core/)

I do not agree with the conclusion of the paper, as to future direction of the internal water. That conclusion, by the authors is status quo and based on an outdated notion of density differences making iron and heavy atoms sink and water and higher atoms float upward.

Water, under conditions of high temperature and high pressure; above its critical point, has enhanced chemical solvent properties. At super critical conditions water can dissolve rocks and grid down any organic material. The movement of the water, inside the earth, will driven by entropy and free energy considerations, regardless of the direction of gravity. Confined water will dissolve downward toward the core. This can be demonstrated in the lab, Water, if confined in the inner earth, will dissolve minerals and will migrate towards highest temperature and pressure, since this direction is where the solubility of minerals is highest. Water will follow the chemical potential.

This can be easily proven in the lab and is the way artificial and natural gems stones are made in hydrothermal solutions. In the diagram below, of a hydrothermal crystal growth chamber, the higher solubility of minerals in water will occur at the bottom where there is the most heat.

Convections takes the hotter saturated solution, upward where it will crystallize onto the cooler seed crystal. The seed is at lower temperature, where the mineral is less soluble. This causes the mineral to form on the crystal. As the depleted water cools, it descends via convection toward the heat only to eat away more mineral for another cycle. The water inside the earth is eating its way toward core, leaving material behind as it descends. This driven by free energy in spite of the density difference.This is basic chemical potential 1.0. The continuity of water from atmosphere to the core integrates the earth's climate, crustal activity and rotating core.

(https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Zhilong_Joe_Wang/publication/261400109/figure/fig8/AS:668360157175811@1536360887317/Schematic-of-a-hydrothermal-growth-chamber.png)

I predicted that water would be found from the atmosphere, all the way to the core back in 2004. I was proven right ten years later.  It takes a while of science data to catch up. Did the dynamo predict the inner water, also? The dynamo model now needs to be revised for the water, since extreme phase water is very reactive and will impact the core's iron-iron oxide equilibrium. My theory has the iron giving off electrons to extreme phase water. This driven by solar evaporation where positive charge appears in water of the atmosphere. This integrated affect make the ocean slightly alkaline; negatively charged water. This also impacts life which is is based on water being the majority component of life.

When does the dynamo model remediation begin? Or will the dynamo model get a pass? I am not anti-science, I am for no preferential treatment for only the status quo, when it is shown to be defective by new data. Why build on a foundation with flaws, until the cracks are fixed? Why not, in the mean time, open things to fresh new ideas, since the status quo has this need?

Maybe the forum can add a section called remediation of status quo theory. When new data and observation appears that challenge existing theory, this can be the half way house between dogma and alternate theory, until it upgrades or falls flat. The fact that this mediation half way house does not occur is troubling to me. It creates the false impression all is well. I understand human nature, but I like to make sure everyone understands, that I understand. I can see how this would be troubling to the power to be, even if science benefits. I complain, but I accept it.


Title: Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
Post by: Bobolink on 25/04/2020 01:58:16
There is other recent data that needs to be taken into account. For example, water has been found in large quantifies, inside the earth.
Oh great, here we go with Aqualad again.
Title: Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
Post by: puppypower on 25/04/2020 14:12:19
There is other recent data that needs to be taken into account. For example, water has been found in large quantifies, inside the earth.
Oh great, here we go with Aqualad again.

I am pointing out the latest data that needs to be taken into account. These are new pieces to the puzzle. Repression of valid, but contradictory data, does not advance science, but it can perpetuate bureaucracy.

There is other data useful that was been generated at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory. This particular research deals with extreme pressure water. One exotic phase of water, discovered, that should exist at the conditions of the upper mantle, is superionic water. This is a phase of water where the oxygen atoms of water form a matrix, and all hydrogen protons move freely in the matrix. This is not your typical H2O anymore.

This phase of water would be very corrosive to any form of crust material. The hydrogen protons of the superionic water will migrate into minerals, which have a partial oxygen matrix, releasing cations, which then move into the oxygen matrix of the super ionic water.

https://physicstoday.scitation.org/do/10.1063/PT.6.1.20190517a/full/ (https://physicstoday.scitation.org/do/10.1063/PT.6.1.20190517a/full/)

If we have a pressure drop in the upper mantle, the superionic matrix will need to change phase back to hydrothermal thermal water. This rearrangement of oxygen and hydrogen atoms is very explosive, as the oxygen and hydrogen totally change orientations. This could provide energy for upward lift and plate sliding.

Researchers at Lawrence Livermore also did work with water at even higher temperature and pressure conditions. As the experiments evolved, the conditions for the phase boundaries came down. Now the various layers of inner earth; upper mantle,lower mantle, outer core and core, appear to coordinate with exotic phases of water. For example, at the conditions for the earth's core; 5200C and 3.6 million atm, the lab was able to make metallic water. This is consistent with the seismic data that suggests a solid earth core.  However,this data and the observation of water toward the core suggests the core should be solid iron and some metallic water.

We cannot avoid the water, since the phases of water appear to align with the layers of the inner earth. It is very likely the water phases define these layers and their boundaries. These boundaries may have changed over time if we assume water was not always part of the earth. This water is also continuous based on other data. While exotic phase water is very reactive at extreme pressures and temperatures.

My model has the sun evaporating water ,which separates the hydrogen bonding of water adding positive change to the atmosphere. The oxygen is more electronegative and can accommodate the extra elections easier than the hydrogen can the positive charge. This atmospheric positive charge will add a potential for elections to move upward from the inner earth. The best source of elections would be the iron in the core of the earth.  Lodestone or iron oxide is a naturally occurring magnetic material.

The magneto model is still useful. One should not thrown out the baby with the bathwater since the baby is clean. All I did was add extra energy to the model, via a water related induced flow of electrons to the surface. The oceans become naturally negatively charged; Alkaline.

In my model the bulge at the equator is not due to centrfugal force but the equator being the zone of maximum solar input. This is supported by the seismic observation that seismic waves move faster north to south than east to west. If you factor out distances and normalize the north to south is denser than east to west. Election fluff has been added at the equator. In the link below the authors tried to stay consistent with the status quo. The significance of the link is the seismic data and the lower density discovered east to west; equator. More Centrifugal force should sling the heavier material better, correct?

https://www.wired.com/2010/05/crystals-earth-core/ (https://www.wired.com/2010/05/crystals-earth-core/)
Title: Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
Post by: Bored chemist on 25/04/2020 14:36:30
I am pointing out the latest data that needs to be taken into account. These are new pieces to the puzzle. Repression of valid, but contradictory data, does not advance science, but it can perpetuate bureaucracy.
What you actually did was lie about the discovery of the core's superotation.


The movement of the water, inside the earth, will driven by entropy and free energy considerations, regardless of the direction of gravity.
Gravity is a free energy consideration you nitwit.

It's what drives convection.
Title: Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
Post by: Bored chemist on 25/04/2020 14:38:17
The oceans become naturally negatively charged; Alkaline.
It's hard to imagine anything better electrically earthed (and thus neutral i.e. uncharged) than the ocean.
Acidity and alkalinity are not related to electrical charge.
Title: Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
Post by: The Spoon on 25/04/2020 23:28:09
Maybe the forum can add a section called remediation of status quo theory.
I have long thought there should be a special section to which we can relegate cranks and fantasists like yourself.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 13/05/2020 09:17:20
2) The earth is in the center of the ellipse of the moon, and not to the side, this can be easily checked. By measuring the time of the movement of the moon, from the new moon to the full moon, and from the full moon to the new moon, this time should be equal. https://images.app.goo.gl/oUjjnEf43Duknv1f6
Who will be able to answer this question.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Kryptid on 14/05/2020 01:50:06
Who will be able to answer this question.

That isn't a question. There are no question marks.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 15/05/2020 05:34:51
2) The earth is in the center of the ellipse of the moon, and not to the side, this can be easily checked. By measuring the time of the movement of the moon, from the new moon to the full moon, and from the full moon to the new moon, this time should be equal. https://images.app.goo.gl/oUjjnEf43Duknv1f6
Who will be able to answer this question?
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Bored chemist on 15/05/2020 13:15:39
Who will be able to answer this question?
Me.
I am answering the question by posting this.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 27/05/2020 14:33:56
Based on the foregoing, we can put forward the hypothesis of the formation of the solar system.
1. The solar system is an autonomous object of the Universe, and does not revolve around the center of the "galaxy", but is in space in a stationary state.
2. Sunlight, due to the deflecting force of the Coriolis, revolves around the solar system.
3. At the edge of the solar system, sunlight rotates against the rotation of the sun, at a speed of about 0 km / s, relative to the universe. https://images.app.goo.gl/GZMt3h1e1dH86wWN6
4. The radius of the solar system depends on the speed of light and the angular velocity of rotation of the sun. R ≈ c / ω
The speed of light ≈ 1,000,000,000 km / h.
The angular velocity of the Sun ≈ 0.0105 rad / h.
The radius of the solar system is ≈ 95,000,000,000 km.
https://www.universetoday.com/15585/diameter-of-the-solar-system/
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 01/06/2020 19:33:31
A planet is an object of the solar system that has an atmosphere and axial speed. (Pluto).
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Kryptid on 02/06/2020 01:19:25
A planet is an object of the solar system that has an atmosphere and axial speed. (Pluto).

Not according to the International Astronomical Union: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAU_definition_of_planet
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 02/06/2020 04:17:04
A planet is an object of the solar system that has an atmosphere and axial speed. (Pluto).

Not according to the International Astronomical Union: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAU_definition_of_planet
A planet, this is an object of the solar system whose atmosphere rotates in the direction of rotation of the planet. (Pluto-?). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAU_definition_of_planet
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Kryptid on 02/06/2020 05:10:29
A planet, this is an object of the solar system whose atmosphere rotates in the direction of rotation of the planet. (Pluto-?).

Did you even bother to read the definition? Atmospheres and rotation have nothing to do with the IAU definition. Pluto is not a planet.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Bored chemist on 02/06/2020 08:34:29
planet is an object of the solar system that has an atmosphere and axial speed. (Pluto).
What do you think "axial speed" even means in this context?
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 02/06/2020 20:01:30
planet is an object of the solar system that has an atmosphere and axial speed. (Pluto).
What do you think "axial speed" even means in this context?
Not synchronous rotation.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: The Spoon on 02/06/2020 20:18:13
A planet is an object of the solar system that has an atmosphere and axial speed. (Pluto).

Not according to the International Astronomical Union: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAU_definition_of_planet
A planet, this is an object of the solar system whose atmosphere rotates in the direction of rotation of the planet. (Pluto-?). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAU_definition_of_planet
Why have you completely ignored the accepted definition even when quoting it? You don't interact when it is pointed out how wrong you are - is this stupidity or are you just trolling?
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Kryptid on 02/06/2020 20:43:48
Not synchronous rotation.

Planets that are sufficiently close to their stars are thought to be tidally-locked. That has no bearing on the definition of a planet.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 02/06/2020 20:52:11
A planet is an object of the solar system that has an atmosphere and axial speed. (Pluto).

Not according to the International Astronomical Union: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAU_definition_of_planet
A planet, this is an object of the solar system whose atmosphere rotates in the direction of rotation of the planet. (Pluto-?). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAU_definition_of_planet
Why have you completely ignored the accepted definition even when quoting it? You don't interact when it is pointed out how wrong you are - is this stupidity or are you just trolling?
8. A planet is an object in the solar system that has an atmosphere, axial speed, etc. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAU_definition_of_planet
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Kryptid on 02/06/2020 20:55:37
8. A planet is an object in the solar system that has an atmosphere, axial speed, etc. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAU_definition_of_planet

I don't see anywhere on that page that supports this claim.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 02/06/2020 21:05:41
Planets that are sufficiently close to their stars are thought to be.
You have evidence that planets revolve around stars. Give me a link.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Kryptid on 02/06/2020 21:07:29
You have evidence that planets revolve around stars. Give me a link.

Planets are objects that revolve around stars by definition. I already gave you a link to the IAU's definition of a planet.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: The Spoon on 02/06/2020 22:32:38
Planets that are sufficiently close to their stars are thought to be.
You have evidence that planets revolve around stars. Give me a link.
Trolling or stupidity?
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 03/06/2020 14:03:08
Planets that are sufficiently close to their stars are thought to be.
You have evidence that planets revolve around stars. Give me a link.
Trolling or stupidity?
Everything is relative!!!
The mechanics of rotation of cyclones, anticyclones, cycles and galaxies, one and the same. This can be easily verified by comparing these two pictures. https://images.app.goo.gl/zLQoi7Ht9LgyfNog9 https://images.app.goo.gl/236YjBU99CywjA1y8
If the stars circled around the center of the galaxy with such huge speeds, then the stars that are on the periphery of the galaxy flew out of their orbits, because the farther away from the core the star, the greater the orbital speed of the star.
And in the solar system, the opposite is true, the farther away from the Sun the planet is, the lower the planet’s orbital speed. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galaxy_rotation_curve
This suggests that in the center of cyclones, anticyclones and galaxies, there is not mass, which should create gravity, but the eye of the storm. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_(cyclone) https://life.ru/p/907112
Галлактики, циклоны и круговороты, представляют собой единый медленно вращающийся "монолит", которые вращаются как крышка от бензобака и не подчиняются закону всемирного тяготения.
Черные дыры покидают свои галлактики. https://news.rambler.ru/scitech/43938566-astronomy-pokazali-kak-chernye-dyry-pokidayut-svoi-galaktiki/ Astronomers accidentally discovered a strange star escaping from the Milky Way.
https://in-space.ru/astronomy-sluchajno-obnaruzhili-strannuyu-zvezdu-ubegayushhuyu-iz-mlechnogo-puti/ The black hole spawned a unique kind of planet. https://m.lenta.ru/news/2020/04/27/hole/amp/
Regeneration of cyclones. https://slide-share.ru/regeneraciya-anticiklonov-28872
The mechanism of formation of cyclones, anticyclones, whirlpools and galaxies is similar.
"The laws of nature are universal." Lao Tzu.

There are no answers to the following questions:
1. In the solar system, all eight planets revolve around the sun in the same plane.
a) And the stars, rotating around the nucleus of the galaxy, form dozens of planes.
b) What force is involved in the formation of the lenticular form of the galaxy?
c) Within the laws of celestial mechanics, stars should revolve around the core of the galaxy, in only one plane, similar to the planets of the solar system.
2. The statement that globular star clusters are satellites of galaxies and rotate in very elongated orbits at a speed of ≈ 200 km / s also goes beyond celestial mechanics. https://images.app.goo.gl/goz9RPyJb3QqMxEZ7
a) If spherical star clusters revolved around the galaxy, then spherical star clusters had the shape of a disk. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galaxy
b) Is it possible for Saturn and its satellites to revolve around the Sun in the form of a globular cluster?
3. In globular star clusters,
there is no orbital rotation of stars.
a) Then what forces form a globular cluster of stars, if it is not levitation?
4. If globular star clusters are satellites of galaxies, then globular star clusters, like all planet satellites, must possess all the signs of satellites: axis of rotation, libration, etc. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globular_cluster
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Kryptid on 03/06/2020 15:38:17
The mechanics of rotation of cyclones, anticyclones, cycles and galaxies, one and the same. This can be easily verified by comparing these two pictures.

You are being ridiculous. Saying they behave the same because they look the same is complete nonsense. Cyclones are heat engines driven by the atmosphere. Galaxies are held together by gravity.

If the stars circled around the center of the galaxy with such huge speeds, then the stars that are on the periphery of the galaxy flew out of their orbits, because the farther away from the core the star, the greater the orbital speed of the star.

Please demonstrate that they would fly away with some mathematics or other actual evidence. I'm not going to take your word for it.

This suggests that in the center of cyclones, anticyclones and galaxies, there is not mass, which should create gravity, but the eye of the storm. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_(cyclone) https://life.ru/p/907112

Verifiably incorrect. Do you recall that image of the super-massive black hole that was taken by the Event Horizon Telescope? That was at the center of the galaxy M87.

There are no answers to the following questions:
1. In the solar system, all eight planets revolve around the sun in the same plane.
a) And the stars, rotating around the nucleus of the galaxy, form dozens of planes.
b) What force is involved in the formation of the lenticular form of the galaxy?
c) Within the laws of celestial mechanics, stars should revolve around the core of the galaxy, in only one plane, similar to the planets of the solar system.
2. The statement that globular star clusters are satellites of galaxies and rotate in very elongated orbits at a speed of ≈ 200 km / s also goes beyond celestial mechanics. https://images.app.goo.gl/goz9RPyJb3QqMxEZ7
a) If spherical star clusters revolved around the galaxy, then spherical star clusters had the shape of a disk. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galaxy
b) Is it possible for Saturn and its satellites to revolve around the Sun in the form of a globular cluster?
3. In globular star clusters,
there is no orbital rotation of stars.
a) Then what forces form a globular cluster of stars, if it is not levitation?
4. If globular star clusters are satellites of galaxies, then globular star clusters, like all planet satellites, must possess all the signs of satellites: axis of rotation, libration, etc. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globular_cluster

Repeatedly asserting that we have not answered these questions just makes you look bad.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 04/06/2020 12:30:41
Galaxies, cyclones and cycles, are a single slowly rotating "monolith" that rotates like a gas tank cover and does not obey the law of universal gravitation.
You missed this question.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Bored chemist on 04/06/2020 15:18:31
Galaxies, cyclones and cycles, are a single slowly rotating "monolith" that rotates like a gas tank cover and does not obey the law of universal gravitation.
You missed this question.
Do you know what a question actually is?
Because you just said we missed one, but there was none there to miss.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 04/06/2020 15:59:03
Everything is relative!!!
The mechanics of rotation of cyclones, anticyclones, cycles and galaxies, one and the same. This can be easily verified by comparing these two pictures. https://images.app.goo.gl/zLQoi7Ht9LgyfNog9 https://images.app.goo.gl/236YjBU99CywjA1y8
If the stars circled around the center of the galaxy with such huge speeds, then the stars that are on the periphery of the galaxy would fly out of their orbits, because the farther away from the nucleus the star, the greater the orbital speed of the star.
And in the solar system, the opposite is true, the farther away from the Sun the planet is, the lower the planet’s orbital speed. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galaxy_rotation_curve
This suggests that in the center of cyclones, anticyclones and galaxies, there is not mass, which should create gravity, but the eye of the storm. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_(cyclone) https://life.ru/p/907112
Galaxies, cyclones and cycles, are a single slowly rotating "monolith" that rotates like a gas tank cover and does not obey the law of universal gravitation.
Black holes leave their galaxies. https://news.rambler.ru/scitech/43938566-astronomy-pokazali-kak-chernye-dyry-pokidayut-svoi-galaktiki/ Astronomers accidentally discovered a strange star escaping from the Milky Way.
https://in-space.ru/astronomy-sluchajno-obnaruzhili-strannuyu-zvezdu-ubegayushhuyu-iz-mlechnogo-puti/ The black hole spawned a unique kind of planet. https://m.lenta.ru/news/2020/04/27/hole/amp/
Regeneration of cyclones. https://slide-share.ru/regeneraciya-anticiklonov-28872
The mechanism of formation of cyclones, anticyclones, whirlpools and galaxies is similar.
"The laws of nature are universal." Lao Tzu.

The statement that the entire star rotates around the center of the galaxy with the same angular velocities goes beyond the laws of celestial mechanics.
In the solar system, the angular velocity of Neptune is hundreds of times less than that of Mercury. https://images.app.goo.gl/xWiXQTMfThVTsEy66
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: The Spoon on 04/06/2020 16:10:22
Galaxies, cyclones and cycles, are a single slowly rotating "monolith" that rotates like a gas tank cover and does not obey the law of universal gravitation.
You missed this question.
It is hardly a question - it is words that when put together comprise nonsensical gibberish and betray a lack of scientific knowledge.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: The Spoon on 04/06/2020 16:14:23
Everything is relative!!!
Blah, blah, blah
You do realise that reposting nonsense doesn't make it right?
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Kryptid on 04/06/2020 20:12:45
Everything is relative!!!
The mechanics of rotation of cyclones, anticyclones, cycles and galaxies, one and the same. This can be easily verified by comparing these two pictures. https://images.app.goo.gl/zLQoi7Ht9LgyfNog9 https://images.app.goo.gl/236YjBU99CywjA1y8
If the stars circled around the center of the galaxy with such huge speeds, then the stars that are on the periphery of the galaxy would fly out of their orbits, because the farther away from the nucleus the star, the greater the orbital speed of the star.
And in the solar system, the opposite is true, the farther away from the Sun the planet is, the lower the planet’s orbital speed. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galaxy_rotation_curve
This suggests that in the center of cyclones, anticyclones and galaxies, there is not mass, which should create gravity, but the eye of the storm. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_(cyclone) https://life.ru/p/907112
Galaxies, cyclones and cycles, are a single slowly rotating "monolith" that rotates like a gas tank cover and does not obey the law of universal gravitation.
Black holes leave their galaxies. https://news.rambler.ru/scitech/43938566-astronomy-pokazali-kak-chernye-dyry-pokidayut-svoi-galaktiki/ Astronomers accidentally discovered a strange star escaping from the Milky Way.
https://in-space.ru/astronomy-sluchajno-obnaruzhili-strannuyu-zvezdu-ubegayushhuyu-iz-mlechnogo-puti/ The black hole spawned a unique kind of planet. https://m.lenta.ru/news/2020/04/27/hole/amp/
Regeneration of cyclones. https://slide-share.ru/regeneraciya-anticiklonov-28872
The mechanism of formation of cyclones, anticyclones, whirlpools and galaxies is similar.
"The laws of nature are universal." Lao Tzu.

The statement that the entire star rotates around the center of the galaxy with the same angular velocities goes beyond the laws of celestial mechanics.
In the solar system, the angular velocity of Neptune is hundreds of times less than that of Mercury. https://images.app.goo.gl/xWiXQTMfThVTsEy66

I'm starting to think that this constant copy-pasting of your previous posts while simultaneously failing to address arguments against your ideas would count as spam and violates the "not inviting critical debate" rule. As such, I'm considering talking with the other moderators about disciplinary action. This is a habit of yours that has gone on for far too long unchecked.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 12/06/2020 07:40:56
The solar Coriolis effect is involved in the formation of the ellipse of the moon.
When the Moon, rotating around the Earth in the fourth phase, approaches the Sun at a speed of 1 km / s, and in the second phase it moves away from the Sun at a speed of 1 km / s, the Coriolis Solar Force stretches the Moon’s orbit along the Earth’s orbit, due to which an ellipse of the Moon is formed.
When the moon is in the phase of the new moon and the full moon, the solar Coriolis effect does not affect the orbit of the moon, because in these phases the moon does not approach and does not move away from the sun.
The lunar ellipse can be mathematically expressed (but not calculated) using the following formula. E = Vz / Vl
Where Vz - Orbital angular velocity of the Earth.
Vl - Orbital angular velocity of the moon.
The solar Coriolis effect stretches the orbit of the Earth’s artificial satellites along the Earth’s orbit.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: The Spoon on 13/06/2020 11:51:40
The solar Coriolis effect is involved in the formation of the ellipse of the moon.
When the Moon, rotating around the Earth in the fourth phase, approaches the Sun at a speed of 1 km / s, and in the second phase it moves away from the Sun at a speed of 1 km / s, the Coriolis Solar Force stretches the Moon’s orbit along the Earth’s orbit, due to which an ellipse of the Moon is formed.
When the moon is in the phase of the new moon and the full moon, the solar Coriolis effect does not affect the orbit of the moon, because in these phases the moon does not approach and does not move away from the sun.
The lunar ellipse can be mathematically expressed (but not calculated) using the following formula. E = Vz / Vl
Where Vz - Orbital angular velocity of the Earth.
Vl - Orbital angular velocity of the moon.
The solar Coriolis effect stretches the orbit of the Earth’s artificial satellites along the Earth’s orbit.
I am guessing you are unfamiliar with the phrase 'flogging a dead Horse'.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 18/06/2020 22:21:11
The solar power of Coriolis participates in the formation of the ellipse of the moon.
When the Moon revolving around the Earth in the fourth quarter approaches the Sun at a speed of 1 km / s, and in the second quarter moves away from the Sun at a speed of 1 km / s, the Coriolis Solar Force stretches the moon’s orbit along the Earth’s orbit, which forms an ellipse of the Moon.
When the moon is in the phase of the new moon and the full moon, the Coriolis solar power does not affect the orbit of the moon, because in these phases, the moon does not approach or move away from the sun.
http://www.sat.belastro.net/glava2/glava2.php#p1.2.c
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbital_eccentricity
The eccentricity of the orbit of the moon can be calculated by the following formula. E = Vz / Vl.
Where Vz - Orbital velocity of the Earth.
Vl - Orbital velocity of the moon.
 
The Earth’s orbital speed is 30 degrees per month.
The orbital speed of the moon is 360 degrees per month.
E = 30/360 = 0.083
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Kryptid on 19/06/2020 14:26:30
The Earth’s orbital speed is 30 degrees per month.
The orbital speed of the moon is 360 degrees per month.
E = 30/360 = 0.083

You know that's the wrong answer, don't you?
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Bored chemist on 19/06/2020 17:06:48
The Earth’s orbital speed is 30 degrees per month.
The orbital speed of the moon is 360 degrees per month.
E = 30/360 = 0.083

You know that's the wrong answer, don't you?
It's not just that it's the wrong answer (the right answer is nearer to 1/13 than 1/12), but it's the wrong answer to the wrong question.



The eccentricity of the orbit of the moon can be calculated by the following formula. E = Vz / Vl
Where Vz - Orbital velocity of the Earth.
Vl - Orbital velocity of the moon.
No, it isn't.
And there's no reason to imagine that it would be.
The right answer is about 0.0549.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Janus on 19/06/2020 19:47:53
The Earth’s orbital speed is 30 degrees per month.
The orbital speed of the moon is 360 degrees per month.
E = 30/360 = 0.083

You know that's the wrong answer, don't you?
It's not just that it's the wrong answer (the right answer is nearer to 1/13 than 1/12), but it's the wrong answer to the wrong question.
Well, It really depends on what "month" you use.  There are a bit over 12 1/3 synodic (full moon to full moon) months in a year, and a bit over 13 1/3 sidereal months ( measured relative to the stars)
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The eccentricity of the orbit of the moon can be calculated by the following formula. E = Vz / Vl
Where Vz - Orbital velocity of the Earth.
Vl - Orbital velocity of the moon.
No, it isn't.
And there's no reason to imagine that it would be.
The right answer is about 0.0549.

Agreed, there is no connection between Lunar Orbital eccentricity and the ratio of its orbital period to the Earth's orbital period.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Kryptid on 19/06/2020 20:58:31
The Earth’s orbital speed is 30 degrees per month.
The orbital speed of the moon is 360 degrees per month.
E = 30/360 = 0.083

Your definition of a month appears to be exactly one-twelfth of a year (so 30.4375 days). With that in mind, why don't we see how well your equation works for another planet?

Mars' orbital period is 686.971 days (22.57 months), so each month it moves 360/22.57 = 15.95 degrees. Its satellite Phobos completes an orbit every 0.319 days (0.01048 months), so each month it moves 360/0.01048 = 34,351.15 degrees. So using your equation, the predicted eccentricity of Phobos' orbit is 34,351.15/15.95 = 2,153.68. That is an impossibly high eccentricity and is over 142,000 times larger than its actual orbital eccentricity.

We can safely say that your equation is solidly falsified.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Bored chemist on 19/06/2020 21:18:16
With that in mind, why don't we see how well your equation works for another planet?
It might work wherever the OP is, but it doesn't work on this planet; it's about 50% out.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 20/06/2020 10:36:41
The solar power of Coriolis participates in the formation of the ellipse of the moon.
When the Moon revolving around the Earth in the fourth quarter approaches the Sun at a speed of 1 km / s, and in the second quarter moves away from the Sun at a speed of 1 km / s, the Coriolis Solar Force stretches the moon’s orbit along the Earth’s orbit, which forms an ellipse of the Moon.
When the moon is in the phase of the new moon and the full moon, the Coriolis solar power does not affect the orbit of the moon, because in these phases, the moon does not approach or move away from the sun.
http://www.sat.belastro.net/glava2/glava2.php#p1.2.c
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbital_eccentricity
The eccentricity of the orbit of the moon can be calculated by the following formula. E = Vz / Vl.
Where Vz - Orbital velocity of the Earth.
Vl - Orbital velocity of the moon.
 
The Earth’s orbital speed is 30 degrees per month.
The orbital speed of the moon is 360 degrees per month.
E = 30/360 = 0.083
The eccentricity of the orbit of the geostationary satellites can be calculated by the following formula. E = Vz / Vi
Where Vz - Orbital velocity of the Earth.
Vi - orbital velocity of the satellite.

The orbital speed of the Earth is 0.98 degrees per day.
The satellite’s orbital speed is 360 degrees per day.
E = 0.98 / 360 = 0.0027
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Bored chemist on 20/06/2020 12:56:53
The eccentricity of the orbit of the geostationary satellites can be calculated by the following formula. E = Vz / Vi
Saying it again does not stop it being wrong.

There are satellites in orbit which are geosynchronous- so they have the same orbital period- but have different eccentricities.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geosynchronous_orbit#Elliptical_and_inclined_geosynchronous_orbits

Why do you keep posting nonsense, when you could just google it and check?

Do you like looking foolish?
Are you just trolling?
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 20/06/2020 13:44:16
The Earth’s orbital speed is 30 degrees per month.
The orbital speed of the moon is 360 degrees per month.
E = 30/360 = 0.083

Your definition of a month appears to be exactly one-twelfth of a year (so 30.4375 days). With that in mind, why don't we see how well your equation works for another planet?

Mars' orbital period is 686.971 days (22.57 months), so each month it moves 360/22.57 = 15.95 degrees. Its satellite Phobos completes an orbit every 0.319 days (0.01048 months), so each month it moves 360/0.01048 = 34,351.15 degrees. So using your equation, the predicted eccentricity of Phobos' orbit is 34,351.15/15.95 = 2,153.68. That is an impossibly high eccentricity and is over 142,000 times larger than its actual orbital eccentricity.

We can safely say that your equation is solidly falsified.
Check your calculations.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Bored chemist on 20/06/2020 14:18:56
Check your calculations.
I checked them; they look OK to me.
If you think there's an error, point it out.
Meanwhile...
Check your grasp of reality.

You seem to be still trying to pretend that
The eccentricity of the orbit of the geostationary satellites can be calculated by the following formula. E = Vz / Vi
Where Vz - Orbital velocity of the Earth.
Vi - orbital velocity of the satellite.

In reality, for  geostationary satellites, Vz and Vi are fixed, but E varies.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Bored chemist on 20/06/2020 14:23:03
Also:
https://space.stackexchange.com/questions/30735/why-do-gps-satellites-have-increasing-eccentricity-over-time
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Kryptid on 20/06/2020 17:00:45
Check your calculations.

If you got a different result than me, then post your calculation so we can compare them.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 20/06/2020 23:10:38
The solar Coriolis effect is involved in the formation of the ellipse of the moon.
When the Moon revolving around the Earth in the fourth quarter approaches the Sun at a speed of 1 km / s, and in the second quarter moves away from the Sun at a speed of 1 km / s, the Coriolis Solar Force stretches the Moon’s orbit along the Earth’s orbit, due to which an ellipse of the Moon is formed.
When the moon is in the phase of the new moon and the full moon, the solar Coriolis effect does not affect the orbit of the moon, because in these phases the moon does not approach and does not move away from the sun.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbital_eccentricity

The eccentricity of the orbit of the moon can be calculated by the following formula. E = Vz / Vl.
Where Vz - Orbital velocity of the Earth.
Vl - Orbital velocity of the moon.
The Earth’s orbital speed is 30 degrees per month.
The orbital speed of the moon is 360 degrees per month.
E = 30/360 = 0.083
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The eccentricity of the orbit of the geostationary satellites can be calculated by the following formula. E = Vz / Vi
Where Vz - Orbital velocity of the Earth.
Vi - orbital velocity of the satellite.
The orbital speed of the Earth is 0.98 degrees per day.
The satellite’s orbital speed is 360 degrees per day.
E = 0.98 / 360 = 0.0027
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The eccentricity of the Earth’s orbit can be calculated using the following formula. E = Vs / Vz
Where Vs - "Orbital velocity of the Sun."
Vz - Orbital velocity of the Earth.
"The orbital speed of the Sun is 0.00000144 degrees per year."
The orbital speed of the Earth is 360 degrees per year.
E = 0.00000144 / 360
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The statement that an elliptical orbit is formed as a result of the mutual disturbance of the planets contradicts reality. Venus moves almost in a circular orbit.
Perhaps the reason for the formation of the ellipse of the planets should be sought in the three-body problem. http://www.sat.belastro.net/glava2/glava2.php#p1.2.c
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: The Spoon on 21/06/2020 00:11:14
The solar Coriolis effect is involved in the formation of the ellipse of the moon.
When the Moon revolving around the Earth in the fourth quarter approaches the Sun at a speed of 1 km / s, and in the second quarter moves away from the Sun at a speed of 1 km / s, the Coriolis Solar Force stretches the Moon’s orbit along the Earth’s orbit, due to which an ellipse of the Moon is formed.
When the moon is in the phase of the new moon and the full moon, the solar Coriolis effect does not affect the orbit of the moon, because in these phases the moon does not approach and does not move away from the sun.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbital_eccentricity

The eccentricity of the orbit of the moon can be calculated by the following formula. E = Vz / Vl.
Where Vz - Orbital velocity of the Earth.
Vl - Orbital velocity of the moon.
The Earth’s orbital speed is 30 degrees per month.
The orbital speed of the moon is 360 degrees per month.
E = 30/360 = 0.083
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The eccentricity of the orbit of the geostationary satellites can be calculated by the following formula. E = Vz / Vi
Where Vz - Orbital velocity of the Earth.
Vi - orbital velocity of the satellite.
The orbital speed of the Earth is 0.98 degrees per day.
The satellite’s orbital speed is 360 degrees per day.
E = 0.98 / 360 = 0.0027
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The eccentricity of the Earth’s orbit can be calculated using the following formula. E = Vs / Vz
Where Vs - "Orbital velocity of the Sun."
Vz - Orbital velocity of the Earth.
"The orbital speed of the Sun is 0.00000144 degrees per year."
The orbital speed of the Earth is 360 degrees per year.
E = 0.00000144 / 360
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The statement that an elliptical orbit is formed as a result of the mutual disturbance of the planets contradicts reality. Venus moves almost in a circular orbit.
The mystery of the formation of the orbits of the planets is in the task of three bodies. http://www.sat.belastro.net/glava2/glava2.php#p1.2.c
You keep repeatedly posting the same nonsense. This is just trolling.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Kryptid on 21/06/2020 01:54:15
E = 30/360 = 0.083

As has been pointed out before, this is incorrect. The correct answer is about 0.0549.

The eccentricity of the Earth’s orbit can be calculated using the following formula. E = Vs / Vz
Where Vs - "Orbital velocity of the Sun."
Vz - Orbital velocity of the Earth.
"The orbital speed of the Sun is 0.00000144 degrees per year."
The orbital speed of the Earth is 360 degrees per year.
E = 0.00000144 / 360

You didn't even bother to finish this calculation (which would be 4 x 10-9). This is, as expected, extremely incorrect (the Earth's orbital eccentricity is actually 0.0167).

I actually do see the error in my previous calculation. I should have divided Mars' orbital period by Phobos' orbital period, no the other way around. This results in a predicted eccentricity of 0.000464. This is still highly incorrect (Phobos' orbital eccentricity is 0.0151).

Why don't I do another calculation to further seal the deal, this time for Pluto and Charon?

Pluto's orbital period is 90,560 days (2,975.28 months), so each month it moves 360/2,975.28 = 0.121 degrees. Its satellite Charon completes an orbit every 6.387 days (0.2098 months), so each month it moves 360/0.2098 = 1,715.92 degrees. So using your equation, the predicted eccentricity of Phobos' orbit is 0.121/1,715.92 = 0.0000705. The correct eccentricity for Charon is about 0.0002. That's yet another nail in your equation's coffin.

Your equation doesn't work. At all.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Bored chemist on 21/06/2020 11:09:40
The eccentricity of the orbit of the moon can be calculated by the following formula. E = Vz / Vl.
Where Vz - Orbital velocity of the Earth.
Vl - Orbital velocity of the moon.
Why tell such an obvious lie?
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 21/06/2020 12:17:23
I actually do see the error in my previous calculation. I should have divided Mars' orbital period by Phobos' orbital period, no the other way around. This results in a predicted eccentricity of 0.000464. This is still highly incorrect (Phobos' orbital eccentricity is 0.0151).
Show your decision, this is too small a figure.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Bored chemist on 21/06/2020 12:26:45
I actually do see the error in my previous calculation. I should have divided Mars' orbital period by Phobos' orbital period, no the other way around. This results in a predicted eccentricity of 0.000464. This is still highly incorrect (Phobos' orbital eccentricity is 0.0151).
Show your decision, this is too small a figure.
Kryptid already showed their working.

Why don't you show your calculations for Vi/Vz and see what answers you get?

Mind you, it won't help your cause much.

I already pointed out that you can not be right.

In reality, for  geostationary satellites, Vz and Vi are fixed, but E varies.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Kryptid on 21/06/2020 14:58:34
Show your decision, this is too small a figure.

Mars' orbital period is 686.971 days (22.57 months), so each month it moves 360/22.57 = 15.95 degrees. Its satellite Phobos completes an orbit every 0.319 days (0.01048 months), so each month it moves 360/0.01048 = 34,351.15 degrees.

According to your formula, I should divide Mars' orbital velocity by that of Phobos, so 15.95/34,351.15 equals 0.000464. Get out your calculator if you don't believe me.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Bored chemist on 21/06/2020 17:36:27
Yusup,
There's a list of actual eccentricities here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbital_eccentricity

Does any of them fit your equation?
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 21/06/2020 19:43:51
Show your decision, this is too small a figure.

Mars' orbital period is 686.971 days (22.57 months), so each month it moves 360/22.57 = 15.95 degrees. Its satellite Phobos completes an orbit every 0.319 days (0.01048 months), so each month it moves 360/0.01048 = 34,351.15 degrees.

According to your formula, I should divide Mars' orbital velocity by that of Phobos, so 15.95/34,351.15 equals 0.000464. Get out your calculator if you don't believe me.
Everything is correct.
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The eccentricity of the Phobos orbit can be calculated by the following formula. E = Vm / Vf
Where Vm - Orbital velocity of Mars.
Vf - Orbital velocity of Phobos.

The orbital speed of Mars is about 16488 hours.
The orbital speed of Phobos is about 7.4 hours.
E = 7.4 / 16488 = 0.000448
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Bored chemist on 21/06/2020 19:57:16

Everything is correct.
no.
Not everything.
What you say is incorrect.


Do you understand that we can measure the orbital eccentricity?
We have measured it for Phobos and the real answer is 0.0151

So why are you trying to spin us some line where it's 0.000448

Don't you understand that if your calculation doesn't agree with reality, that doesn't mean that reality is mistaken?
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 21/06/2020 20:12:39
Yusup,
There's a list of actual eccentricities here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbital_eccentricity

Does any of them fit your equation?
The eccentricity of the Deimos orbit can be calculated by the following formula. E = Vm / Vd
Where Vm - Orbital velocity of Mars.
Vd - Orbital velocity of Deimos.

The orbital speed of Mars is about 16488 hours.
The orbital speed of Phobos is about 30 hours.

30/16488 = 0.0018
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 21/06/2020 20:16:37

Everything is correct.
no.
Not everything.
What you say is incorrect.


Do you understand that we can measure the orbital eccentricity?
We have measured it for Phobos and the real answer is 0.0151

So why are you trying to spin us some line where it's 0.000448

Don't you understand that if your calculation doesn't agree with reality, that doesn't mean that reality is mistaken?
Prove that I'm wrong with your formulas.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Bored chemist on 21/06/2020 20:36:15

Everything is correct.
no.
Not everything.
What you say is incorrect.


Do you understand that we can measure the orbital eccentricity?
We have measured it for Phobos and the real answer is 0.0151

So why are you trying to spin us some line where it's 0.000448

Don't you understand that if your calculation doesn't agree with reality, that doesn't mean that reality is mistaken?
Prove that I'm wrong, by your calculations.
You are being absurd.
It's as if you said something like this
"You can calculate the distance from London to New York by dividing the population of one by the other.
The population of new york is 8.4 million, that of london is 9.0 million, so the distance between them is 0.933 miles."

It's not just wrong, it's laughable, because it's about 3500 miles.
And then you say "Well show me your calculation for the distance to New York".

Well, it's not a calculation; it's a measurement.

People have measured the eccentricities of the orbits.
Most notably, this one for the Moon.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Laser_Ranging_experiment
Your calculation gives the wrong answer.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Kryptid on 21/06/2020 23:00:32
Everything is correct.

Then why didn't your equation give a value of 0.0151 for Phobos' eccentricity?

Prove that I'm wrong with your formulas.

It's your formula that has been proven to be wrong. 0.0151 does not equal 0.000448. That proves that it's wrong.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Bored chemist on 22/06/2020 08:54:28
Everything is correct.

Then why didn't your equation give a value of 0.0151 for Phobos' eccentricity?

Prove that I'm wrong with your formulas.

It's your formula that has been proven to be wrong. 0.0151 does not equal 0.000448. That proves that it's wrong.
I don't think Yusup realised that eccentricities are actually real things that we have measured.
I think he thought they were some theoretical calculation.

It's not as if it's the first time he has been utterly wrong about how science works.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 23/06/2020 08:02:19
The solar Coriolis effect is involved in the formation of the orbits of the satellites of the planets.
When the Moon revolving around the Earth in the fourth quarter approaches the Sun at a speed of 1 km / s, and in the second quarter moves away from the Sun at a speed of 1 km / s, the Coriolis Solar Force stretches the Moon’s orbit along the Earth’s orbit, thereby forming an ellipse of the Moon’s orbit.
When the moon is in the phase of the new moon and the full moon, the solar Coriolis effect does not affect the orbit of the moon, because in these phases the moon does not approach and does not move away from the sun.
The eccentricity of the lunar orbit varies from 0.044 to 0.072.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbital_eccentricity

The eccentricity of the orbit of the moon can be calculated by the following formula. E ≈ Vl / Vz.
Vl - Orbital velocity of the moon.
Vz - Orbital velocity of the Earth.
The orbital speed of the moon is one revolution in 720 hours.
The orbital speed of the Earth is one revolution in 8760 hours.
E ≈ 720/8760 ≈ 0,082
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The eccentricity of the orbit of the geostationary satellites can be calculated by the following formula. E ≈ Vi / Vz
Where Vi is the satellite orbital velocity.
Vz - Orbital velocity of the Earth.
The satellite orbital speed is one revolution in 24 hours.
The orbital speed of the Earth is one revolution in 8760 hours.
E ≈ 24/8760 ≈ 0.0027
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The eccentricity of the Phobos orbit can be calculated by the following formula. E ≈ Vf / Vm
Where Vf - Orbital velocity of Phobos.
Vm - Orbital velocity of Mars.
The orbital speed of Phobos is one revolution in 7.4 hours.
The orbital speed of Mars is one revolution in 16488 hours.
E ≈ 7.4 / 16488 ≈ 0.000448
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The eccentricity of the Deimos orbit can be calculated by the following formula. E ≈ Vd / Vm
Where Vd is the orbital velocity of Deimos.
Vm - Orbital velocity of Mars.
Deimos's orbital speed is one revolution in 30 hours.
The orbital speed of Mars is one revolution in 16488 hours.
30/16488 ≈ 0.0018
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The table of eccentricities of the orbits published on Wikipedia does not show by what formulas the table is compiled.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbital_eccentricity
The assertion that the elliptical orbit of the planets is formed as a result of the disturbance of the planets contradicts reality. Venus moves almost in a circular orbit.
The reason for the formation of the ellipse of the planets is in the task of three bodies. http://www.sat.belastro.net/glava2/glava2.php#p1.2.c
Based on the formula E ≈ Vl / Vz
can be adjusted, the distance from the Sun to the Earth and the orbital velocity of the Earth.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Bored chemist on 23/06/2020 08:49:04
Vl - Orbital velocity of the moon.
Vz - Orbital velocity of the Earth.
The orbital speed of the moon is one revolution in 720 hours.
The orbital speed of the Earth is one revolution in 8760 hours.
E ≈ 720/8760 ≈ 0,082
Wrong.
Because the correct answer, as measured in reality, is 0.0549
The eccentricity of the orbit of the geostationary satellites can be calculated by the following formula. E ≈ Vi / Vz
Where Vi is the satellite orbital velocity.
Vz - Orbital velocity of the Earth.
The satellite orbital speed is one revolution in 24 hours.
The orbital speed of the Earth is one revolution in 8760 hours.
E ≈ 24/8760 ≈ 0.0027
Wrong, because the eccentricity of geostationary satellites is variable. The range is from less than .0001 to 0.008.
Your formula says it's sonstant, so your formula is wrong.

The eccentricity of the Phobos orbit can be calculated by the following formula. E ≈ Vf / Vm
Where Vf - Orbital velocity of Phobos.
Vm - Orbital velocity of Mars.
The orbital speed of Phobos is one revolution in 7.4 hours.
The orbital speed of Mars is one revolution in 16488 hours.
E ≈ 7.4 / 16488 ≈ 0.000448

The real answer  0.0151




The eccentricity of the Deimos orbit can be calculated by the following formula. E ≈ Vd / Vm
Where Vd is the orbital velocity of Deimos.
Vm - Orbital velocity of Mars.
Deimos's orbital speed is one revolution in 30 hours.
The orbital speed of Mars is one revolution in 16488 hours.
30/16488 ≈ 0.0018

The real value i 0.00024

The table of eccentricities of the orbits published on Wikipedia does not show by what formulas the table is compiled.
THEY ARE NOT COMPILED FROM A FORMULA. THEY ARE REAL MEASURED VALUES.

You get the wrong answer in every single case.
Why are you sticking to this nonsense?

Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Kryptid on 23/06/2020 14:00:58
The table of eccentricities of the orbits published on Wikipedia does not show by what formulas the table is compiled.

What formula is used to measure a person's height?
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Colin2B on 23/06/2020 14:45:20
The table of eccentricities of the orbits published on Wikipedia does not show by what formulas the table is compiled.

What formula is used to measure a person's height?
h?
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Bored chemist on 24/06/2020 08:36:49
To date, the eccentricities of planetary satellites are determined by trial and error,

No.
They are measured.
For example, we know the path of the moon tor exceptional accuracy.
We know that because as I already pointed out, we are able to measure the distance to the moon very accurately.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Laser_Ranging_experiment

And, if you think about it, you will see that we know the orbits of the GPS satellites very accurately too.

So, we know what the eccentricities of the orbits are.

We don't need to calculate them.
We don't need a formula.

If someone asks you how tall you are, do you use a formula, or a ruler?
Why can't you understand that?

Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Bored chemist on 24/06/2020 09:06:40
because there are no formulas and methods for determining the eccentricities of orbits.
There is no formula. There is a simple way to determine the eccentricity- you measure it.
Why won't you accept that?
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: The Spoon on 24/06/2020 15:08:50
Interesting. Looks like the OP has removed some posts that make him look even more foolish than normal.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Kryptid on 24/06/2020 15:31:43
To date, the eccentricities of planetary satellites are determined by trial and error,

You have made some ridiculous statements in the past, but this one takes the cake. Is directly measuring something (like, say, a person's height) a matter of trial and error?

because there are no formulas and methods for determining the eccentricities of orbits.

There actually is a formula: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbital_eccentricity#Calculation

eccentricity = (radius of apoapsis - radius of periapsis)/(radius of apoapsis + radius of periapsis)

Lunar eccentricity = (405,000 km - 362,600 km)/(405,000 km + 362,600 km)
Lunar eccentricity = 42,400 km/767,600 km
Lunar eccentricity = 0.055

For the Moon, the apoapsis and periapsis are known to very high accuracy because of the Lunar Laser Ranging experiment. It is so accurate that it has allowed us to measure that the Moon is moving away from the Earth at about 3.8 centimeters each year. That is not trial and error. So the next time you say that no such formula exists or that it is a process of trial and error, it will be a lie.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 24/06/2020 17:40:03
The solar Coriolis effect is involved in the formation of the orbits of the satellites of the planets.
When the Moon revolving around the Earth in the fourth quarter approaches the Sun at a speed of 1 km / s, and in the second quarter moves away from the Sun at a speed of 1 km / s, the Coriolis Solar Force stretches the Moon’s orbit along the Earth’s orbit, thereby forming an ellipse of the Moon’s orbit.
When the moon is in the phase of the new moon and the full moon, the solar Coriolis effect does not affect the orbit of the moon, because in these phases the moon does not approach and does not move away from the sun.
The eccentricity of the lunar orbit varies from 0.044 to 0.072.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbital_eccentricity
The eccentricity of the orbit of the moon can be calculated by the following formula. E ≈ Vl / Vz.
Vl - Orbital velocity of the moon.
Vz - Orbital velocity of the Earth.
The orbital speed of the moon is one revolution in 720 hours.
The orbital speed of the Earth is one revolution in 8760 hours.
E ≈ 720/8760 ≈ 0,082
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The eccentricity of the orbit of the geostationary satellites can be calculated by the following formula. E ≈ Vi / Vz
Where Vi is the satellite orbital velocity.
Vz - Orbital velocity of the Earth.
The satellite orbital speed is one revolution in 24 hours.
The orbital speed of the Earth is one revolution in 8760 hours.
E ≈ 24/8760 ≈ 0.0027
--------------
Today, the eccentricity of planetary satellites is determined by trial and error, because, there are no formulas and methods for determining the eccentricity of orbits.
http://www.sat.belastro.net/glava2/glava2.php#p1.2.c
Based on the formula E ≈ Vl / Vz, it is possible to correct the distance from the Sun to the Earth, the orbital velocity of the Earth and the eccentricities of planetary satellites.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbital_eccentricity
The statement that the elliptical orbit of the planets, the result of the disturbance of the planets is contrary to reality, because Venus moves almost in a circular orbit.
The reason for the formation of the ellipse of the planets is in the task of three bodies. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-body_problem
The eccentricity of the Earth’s orbit can be calculated using the following formula. E ≈ Vz / Vs.
Vz - Orbital velocity of the Earth.
Vs - "Orbital velocity of the Sun."
The orbital velocity of the Earth is one revolution in 1 year.
"Orbital velocity of the Sun" - one revolution in 250 million years.
E ≈ 1/250,000,000 ≈ 0.00000000 ...
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The formula E ≈ Vz / Vs proves that the Sun does not rotate around any centers, but is in space, in a stationary state.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Bored chemist on 24/06/2020 18:00:21
Interesting. Looks like the OP has removed some posts that make him look even more foolish than normal.
I suspect that some of them had only been recently added.
It's hard to say it's likely to be conspiracy given how good the OP is at cockups.


The formula E ≈ Vz / Vs shows that the Sun does not rotate around the center of the galaxy.
That formula doesn't show anything.
It's just nonsense you made up.

"Orbital velocity of the Sun" - one revolution in 250 million years.
OK, That means that the Sun goes round the centre of the Galaxy once in 250000000 years.
he formula E ≈ Vz / Vs shows that the Sun does not rotate around the center of the galaxy.
But you just said that it does, once every 250000000 years.

You are arguing against yourself here.
Why not just accept that your formula is meaningless?
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Kryptid on 24/06/2020 21:01:31
The eccentricity of the Earth’s orbit can be calculated using the following formula. E ≈ Vz / Vs.
Vz - Orbital velocity of the Earth.
Vs - "Orbital velocity of the Sun."
The orbital velocity of the Earth is one revolution in 1 year.
"Orbital velocity of the Sun" - one revolution in 250 million years.
E ≈ 1/250,000,000 ≈ 0.00000000 ...

Another wrong answer. The eccentricity of the Earth's orbit is about 0.0167, not zero.

Do you enjoy being wrong?
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Bored chemist on 24/06/2020 22:14:48
I think he's trolling. Why else have a sig that says this?
The stupider the hypothesis, the easier it is to refute it, provided that the opponent is not stupid!
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 25/06/2020 11:04:08
The eccentricity of the planetary satellite orbit also depends on the physical libration of the satellites, the reason for which is in the three-body problem. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libration
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-body_problem
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Bored chemist on 25/06/2020 11:18:27
The eccentricity of the planetary satellite orbit also depends on the physical libration of the satellites
No; it's the other way round.
The libration depends (in part) on the eccentricity.



the reason for which is in the three-body problem
No it isn't.
The Earth & Moon system is a 2 body problem. However, the other bodies- notably the Sun, do affect their motion. Which is another reason why your formula can't be right.

And, even if it was a 3 body problem, that still wouldn't be the reason for either the libration, or for the eccentricity.
You made two false statements, then said that one causes the other.
It's as stupid as saying
"All cats are green because all dogs are purple".
Why do you keep posting rubbish?
Are you in some sort of competition to see how much wrongness you can get into one post?
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 26/06/2020 04:00:47
The eccentricity of the orbit of the moon can be calculated by the formula. E = (Vz: Ss) / (Vl: Sz) = 0.076

Where Vz - The speed of the Earth's rotation around the Sun - 8760 hours
Ss - The distance from the Sun to the Earth is 150,000,000 km.

Vl - The speed of rotation of the Moon around the Earth - 720 hours
Sz - Distance from Earth to Moon - 384,000 km.
0,001875
The eccentricity of the orbit of the moon varies from 0.044 to 0.072.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Kryptid on 26/06/2020 05:55:48
The eccentricity of the orbit of the moon can be calculated by the formula. E = Vz: Ss / Vl: Sz = 0.076

Finally, you admit that your original equation was wrong!

E = Vz: Ss / Vl: Sz = 0.076
The eccentricity of the orbit of the moon varies from 0.044 to 0.072.

You're aware that your answer is outside of that range, aren't you? So this equation doesn't work for the Moon either.

Does it work for Phobos?

Vz = 86,430 km/h
Ss = 227,939,200 km
Vl = 7,696.8 km/h
Sz = 9,376 km/h

E = (86,430/227,939,200)/(7,696.8/9,376)
E = (3.7918 x 10-4)/(0.821)
E = 4.6185 x 10-4

The correct answer is actually 0.0151. So it's even more wrong for Phobos than it is for the Moon.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 26/06/2020 07:48:53
The eccentricity of the orbit of the moon can be calculated by the formula. E ≈ (Vz / Ss) / (Vl / Sz) = 0.076

Where Vz - Orbital velocity of the Earth - 8760 km / h.
Ss - The distance from the Sun to the Earth is 150,000,000 km.

Vl - Orbital speed of the Moon - 720 km / h.
Sz - Distance from Earth to Moon - 384,000 km.
0,001875
The eccentricity of the orbit of the moon varies from 0.044 to 0.072.
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The eccentricity of the orbit of a geostationary satellite can be calculated by the formula. E ≈ (Vz / Ss) / (Vi / Sz) = 0.000023

Where Vz - Orbital velocity of the Earth - 8760 km / h.
Ss - The distance between the Sun and the Earth is 150,000,000 km.

Vi - The satellite rotation speed around the Earth - 10800 km / h.
Sz - The distance between the Earth and the satellite is 42,000 km.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Bored chemist on 26/06/2020 08:58:34
geological activity of the Earth
Meaningless thing
=
(Vz: Ss) / (Ve: Rz)
Meaningless expression


Well, at least it isn't obviously wrong like that nonsense about eccentricity.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: The Spoon on 26/06/2020 09:30:53
The coefficient of the geological activity of the Earth can be calculated by the formula. E = (Vz: Ss) / (Ve: Rz) = 0,00021

Where Vz - Orbital velocity of the Earth - 8760 km / h.
Ss - The distance between the Sun and the Earth is 150,000,000 km.

Ve - Equatorial speed of rotation of the Earth: 1674 km / h
Rz - Radius of the Earth - 6,000 km.
More utter nonsense. You post an equation that makes no sense and fail to explain how it 'coefficient of geological activity' which appears to be a phrase you have made up to shoehorn into your ridiculous idea. You are effectively doing what TheBox did - making up things as you go along - especially meaningless equations.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 26/06/2020 11:41:34
The geological activity coefficient of Venus can be determined by the formula. E ≈ Vэ / Vв = 0.0051
Vе - Equatorial velocity of Venus - 0.18 km / s.
Vв - Orbital velocity of Venus - 35 km / s.
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Coefficient of geological activity of the Earth. E ≈ Ve / Vz = 0.0155
Vэ - Equatorial velocity of the Earth - 0.465 km / s.
Vz - Orbital velocity of the Earth - 30 km / s.
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The coefficient of geological activity of Jupiter. E ≈ Vэ / Vю = 0.97
Vе - Equatorial velocity of Jupiter - 12.6 km / s.
Vю - The orbital velocity of Jupiter - 13 km / s.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: The Spoon on 26/06/2020 13:04:30
The geological activity coefficient of Venus can be calculated by the formula. E ≈ Vэ / Vв = 0.0051
Ve - Equatorial rotation speed of Venus - 0.18 km / s.
Vв - Orbital velocity of Venus - 35 km / s.

Coefficient of geological activity of the Earth. E ≈ Ve / Vz = 0.0155
Ve - Equatorial speed of rotation of the Earth - 0.465 km / s.
Vz - Orbital velocity of the Earth - 30 km / s.

The coefficient of geological activity of Jupiter. E ≈ Vэ / Vю = 0.97
Vе - Equatorial rotation speed of Jupiter - 12.6 km / s.
Vю - The orbital velocity of Jupiter - 13 km / s.
I see you have resorted to the tactic of repeating the same old crap.
This is just trolling.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Bored chemist on 26/06/2020 13:08:57
The geological activity coefficient
Now all you need to do is find a use for it.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Kryptid on 26/06/2020 17:29:01
The eccentricity of the orbit of the moon can be calculated by the formula. E = (Vz: Ss) / (Vl: Sz) = 0.076

Where Vz - Orbital velocity of the Earth - 8760 km / h.
Ss - The distance between the Sun and the Earth is 150,000,000 km.

Vl - The speed of rotation of the Moon around the Earth - 720 km / h.
Sz - Distance from Earth to Moon - 384,000 km.
0,001875
The eccentricity of the orbit of the moon varies from 0.044 to 0.072.

You think reposting a wrong answer will make it correct? 0.076 is still bigger than 0.072.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 28/06/2020 17:35:13
Secrets of the orbit of the moon.
From the foregoing, we can conclude that:
1) The Moon’s orbit is always extended along the Earth’s orbit and does not rotate counterclockwise, making one revolution in 8.8 years. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apsidal_precession
2) It is believed that at perihelion, the moon is at 50 thousand km. closer to Earth than aphelion, why is this huge difference not visually observed? https://images.app.goo.gl/wmqRKPc9jzScCrB16
3) The earth is in the center of the ellipse of the moon and not to the side, this can be easily checked. By measuring the time of the movement of the moon, from the new moon to the full moon and from the full moon to the new moon.
4) What force does not give the barycenter of the Earth and the Moon is in the center of the orbit of the Moon? http://regul238_f27w5b.radius-host.net/forum/zemlja-luna.gif
The moon does not move, 15 days from the new moon to the full moon and 14 days from the full moon to the new moon. https://images.app.goo.gl/wmqRKPc9jzScCrB16
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Kryptid on 28/06/2020 17:38:35
How about addressing the problem I raised (that 0.076 is larger than 0.072)?
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Bored chemist on 28/06/2020 18:08:18
The moon does not move from the new moon to the full moon for about 15 days, and from the full moon to the new moon for about 14 days.
Nobody said it did.
So, rather than talking nonsense, why don't you explain why you keep posting stuff that is plainly wrong?
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 28/06/2020 18:11:29
How about addressing the problem I raised (that 0.076 is larger than 0.072)?
You're right
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 28/06/2020 18:13:00
The moon does not move, 15 days from the new moon to the full moon and 14 days from the full moon to the new moon. https://images.app.goo.gl/wmqRKPc9jzScCrB16
Nobody said it did.
So, rather than talking nonsense, why don't you explain why you keep posting stuff that is plainly wrong?
Show the error.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Bored chemist on 28/06/2020 18:52:18
Show the error.
Take your pick
You were wrong about everything here- as I pointed out.

Vl - Orbital velocity of the moon.
Vz - Orbital velocity of the Earth.
The orbital speed of the moon is one revolution in 720 hours.
The orbital speed of the Earth is one revolution in 8760 hours.
E ≈ 720/8760 ≈ 0,082
Wrong.
Because the correct answer, as measured in reality, is 0.0549
The eccentricity of the orbit of the geostationary satellites can be calculated by the following formula. E ≈ Vi / Vz
Where Vi is the satellite orbital velocity.
Vz - Orbital velocity of the Earth.
The satellite orbital speed is one revolution in 24 hours.
The orbital speed of the Earth is one revolution in 8760 hours.
E ≈ 24/8760 ≈ 0.0027
Wrong, because the eccentricity of geostationary satellites is variable. The range is from less than .0001 to 0.008.
Your formula says it's sonstant, so your formula is wrong.

The eccentricity of the Phobos orbit can be calculated by the following formula. E ≈ Vf / Vm
Where Vf - Orbital velocity of Phobos.
Vm - Orbital velocity of Mars.
The orbital speed of Phobos is one revolution in 7.4 hours.
The orbital speed of Mars is one revolution in 16488 hours.
E ≈ 7.4 / 16488 ≈ 0.000448

The real answer  0.0151




The eccentricity of the Deimos orbit can be calculated by the following formula. E ≈ Vd / Vm
Where Vd is the orbital velocity of Deimos.
Vm - Orbital velocity of Mars.
Deimos's orbital speed is one revolution in 30 hours.
The orbital speed of Mars is one revolution in 16488 hours.
30/16488 ≈ 0.0018

The real value i 0.00024

The table of eccentricities of the orbits published on Wikipedia does not show by what formulas the table is compiled.
THEY ARE NOT COMPILED FROM A FORMULA. THEY ARE REAL MEASURED VALUES.

You get the wrong answer in every single case.
Why are you sticking to this nonsense?


Or we could go with the more recent version.



Now, why don't you explain why you keep posting stuff that is obviously wrong.
How about addressing the problem I raised (that 0.076 is larger than 0.072)?
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 28/06/2020 19:58:45
How about addressing the problem I raised (that 0.076 is larger than 0.072)?
You're right
(1km / s) / (30 km / s) = 0.33
Eccentricity of the moon's orbit 0.026 - 0.077. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbit_of_the_Moon
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Bored chemist on 28/06/2020 20:12:45
How about addressing the problem I raised (that 0.076 is larger than 0.072)?
You're right
(1km / s) / (30 km / s) = 0.33
Eccentricity of the moon's orbit 0.026 - 0.077. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbit_of_the_Moon
We know we are right- we have the actual data on our side.
Now, please answer the question.


Now, why don't you explain why you keep posting stuff that is obviously wrong.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 29/06/2020 21:23:29
The hypothesis of the formation of a record super new moon.
As we know, the length of the lunar ellipse depends on the orbital velocity of the Earth.
Every month, in the phase of the new moon, the Earth’s orbital velocity rises, which increases the length of the lunar ellipse. At the same time, the height of the lunar ellipse decreases accordingly, due to which, in the new moon phase, the Moon becomes closer to the Earth. And as a result, a super new moon is formed.
In winter at perihelion, the orbital velocity of the Earth rises.
During the coincidence of the perihelion of the Earth and the new moon, the orbital velocity of the Earth reaches its maximum value, due to which a record super new moon and super full moon are formed.
In the summer in aphelion, in the new moon phase, only the super new moon is formed.
Calendar of record super moons. https://predicalendar.ru/wiki/moon/super-moon/
December 3, 2017, Sunday
January 2, 2018, Tuesday
January 21, 2019, Monday
February 19, 2019, Tuesday.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermoon

Criticism of the existing theory of record super moon.
Super moon - occurs when the full moon or new moon coincides with perigee, as a result of the rotation of the orbit of the moon. At a speed of one revolution in 8.8 years.
It means:
That every 8.8 years super moon happens.
And given the fact that the moon’s orbit rotates extremely slowly, 1 revolution in 8.8 years, then the super moon lasts about a year.
At the same time, if super moon occurs in perihelion, then in aphelion half a month later, a micro moon occurs.
But such a natural phenomenon is not observed in nature.
https://images.app.goo.gl/aRfBpPhE2eTMB3YaA
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apsidal_precession
2) What force rotates the orbit of the moon?
3) Why the record-breaking super moon is not formed in the summer.
4) Why, a record super new moon, is more than a super full moon.
5) The major axis of the moon's ellipse is always elongated along the Earth’s orbit, and does not become perpendicular to the Earth’s orbit.
https://images.app.goo.gl/aRfBpPhE2eTMB3YaA
6) The orbits of the satellites of the planets do not rotate and are always elongated along the orbits of the planets. And the orbits of the planets are spinning.
Then why, a record super moon, occurs every year and not after 8.8 years.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apsidal_precession https://images.app.goo.gl/aRfBpPhE2eTMB3YaA
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Bored chemist on 29/06/2020 22:39:46
Then why, a record super moon, occurs every year and not after 8.8 years.
Because they are different things.

Now, can you get back to the point?

Now, please answer the question.


Quote from: Bored chemist on Yesterday at 18:52:18
Now, why don't you explain why you keep posting stuff that is obviously wrong.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 30/06/2020 12:33:34
Super moon - occurs when the full moon or new moon coincides with perigee, as a result of the rotation of the orbit of the moon. At a speed of one revolution in 8.8 years.
It means:
That every 8.8 years super moon happens.
And given the fact that the moon’s orbit rotates extremely slowly, 1 revolution in 8.8 years, then the super moon lasts about a year.
At the same time, if super moon occurs in perihelion, then in aphelion half a month later, a micro moon occurs.
But such a natural phenomenon is not observed in nature.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apsidal_precession
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Kryptid on 30/06/2020 14:24:06
(1km / s) / (30 km / s) = 0.33

You know that 0.33 is much larger than 0.076, don't you?

Also, for Phobos/Mars, (2.138 km/s)/(24.007 km/s) = 0.0891. Phobos' orbital eccentricity is actually 0.0151. So it's still incorrect.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Bored chemist on 30/06/2020 15:08:04
Super moon is an astronomical phenomenon that occurs when the full moon or new moon coincides with perigee, as a result of the rotation of the moon's orbit.
It means:
1) That half a month after the super new moon, the micro full moon will come. https://images.app.goo.gl/aRfBpPhE2eTMB3YaA
2) Given the fact that the moon’s orbit rotates extremely slowly, 1 revolution in 8.8 years, the super new moon and micro full moon, replacing each other, will last up to a year.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apsidal_precession
None of that means anything much.

Now, can you get back to the point?

Quote from: Bored chemist on 28/06/2020 20:12:45
Now, please answer the question.


Quote from: Bored chemist on Yesterday at 18:52:18
Now, why don't you explain why you keep posting stuff that is obviously wrong.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: The Spoon on 01/07/2020 09:36:33
Given the fact that the moon’s orbit rotates extremely slowly
What does that even mean?
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Bored chemist on 01/07/2020 09:50:21
Apsidal_precession
I think he's talking about apsidal precession, but he seems to think it has something to do with supermoons.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 02/07/2020 11:38:32
The eccentricity of the orbit of the moon can be calculated by the following formula.
E ≈ (Vz / Ss) / (Vl / Sz) = 0.000058 / 0.0018 = 0.032
----------------
Where Vz - Orbital angular velocity of the Earth - 0.00011 r / h.
Ss - The distance from the Sun to the Earth is 150,000,000 km.
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Where Vl - Orbital angular velocity of the moon - 0,0013 r / h.
Sz - Distance from the Earth to the Moon 384 000 km.
The eccentricity of the orbit of the moon varies, from 0.026 to 0.077).
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Bored chemist on 02/07/2020 13:34:17
The eccentricity of the orbit of the moon can be calculated by the following formula.
E ≈ (Vz / Ss) / (Vl / Sz) = 0.000058 / 0.0018 = 0.032
----------------
Where Vz - Orbital velocity of the Earth - 0,00011 r / h.
Ss - The distance from the Sun to the Earth is 150,000,000 km.
--------------
Where Vl - Orbital velocity of the Moon - 0.0013 r / h.
Sz - Distance from Earth to Moon - 384,000 km.
The eccentricity of the orbit of the moon varies, from 0.026 to 0.077).
So, it's still worng.

Quote from: Bored chemist on 29/06/2020 22:39:46
Now, can you get back to the point?

Quote from: Bored chemist on 28/06/2020 20:12:45
Now, please answer the question.


Quote from: Bored chemist on Yesterday at 18:52:18
Now, why don't you explain why you keep posting stuff that is obviously wrong.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 03/07/2020 05:11:47

Does it work for Phobos?

Vz = 86,430 km/h
Ss = 227,939,200 km
Vl = 7,696.8 km/h
Sz = 9,376 km/h

E = (86,430/227,939,200)/(7,696.8/9,376)
E = (3.7918 x 10-4)/(0.821)
E = 4.6185 x 10-4

The correct answer is actually 0.0151. So it's even more wrong for Phobos than it is for the Moon.
Check your calculations.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Kryptid on 03/07/2020 06:37:18
Check your calculations.

If you got a different answer, then post your calculations.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Colin2B on 03/07/2020 08:05:30

Does it work for Phobos?

Vz = 86,430 km/h
Ss = 227,939,200 km
Vl = 7,696.8 km/h
Sz = 9,376 km/h

E = (86,430/227,939,200)/(7,696.8/9,376)
E = (3.7918 x 10-4)/(0.821)
E = 4.6185 x 10-4

The correct answer is actually 0.0151. So it's even more wrong for Phobos than it is for the Moon.
Check your calculations.
Please point out exactly where the error is and why it is an error. Otherwise you are in danger of being considered a troll.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Bored chemist on 03/07/2020 08:37:58
Otherwise you are in danger of being considered a troll.
That ship has sailed.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 03/07/2020 11:12:46

Does it work for Phobos?

Vz = 86,430 km/h
Ss = 227,939,200 km
Vl = 7,696.8 km/h
Sz = 9,376 km/h

E = (86,430/227,939,200)/(7,696.8/9,376)
E = (3.7918 x 10-4)/(0.821)
E = 4.6185 x 10-4

The correct answer is actually 0.0151. So it's even more wrong for Phobos than it is for the Moon.
Check your calculations.
Please point out exactly where the error is and why it is an error. Otherwise you are in danger of being considered a troll.
Vz = 86,430 rpm
Vl = 7 696.8 rpm
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Bored chemist on 03/07/2020 12:32:58
Vz = 86,430 rpm
That's  the wrong units for a velocity, and stupidly wrong because it's 2 or 3 times faster than an electric drill.
https://uk.farnell.com/dremel/4200-4-75/rotary-tool-175w-33000rpm/dp/2422656?CMP=KNC-GUK-GEN-KWL-MAN-L5Pages-New-Structure-25May2020-CatchAll&mckv=_dc|pcrid|437370423018|&gclid=CjwKCAjwrvv3BRAJEiwAhwOdM9eCk4-TYjPQZ7tV8K44E1Jn16n88G19_d53sERmukdWl3ihCpdsLhoCCxAQAvD_BwE

You need to get things right before you tell others to check their calculations.
Not that it matters.
You calculate a single value for the eccentricity of the Moon, but reality gives it a range- it varies.
So you are wrong.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 03/07/2020 18:49:55
The solar Coriolis effect is involved in the formation of the moon ellipse.
When the Moon revolving around the Earth in the last quarter approaches the Sun at a speed of 1 km / s, and in the first quarter moves away from the Sun at a speed of 1 km / s, the Coriolis Solar Force stretches the moon's orbit along the Earth's orbit. Thanks to what the elliptical orbit of the Moon is formed. https://images.app.goo.gl/wmqRKPc9jzScCrB16
When the Moon is in the phase of the new moon and full moon, the Solar Coriolis effect does not affect the orbit of the Moon, because in these phases, the moon does not approach and does not move away from the sun.
The eccentricity of the orbit of the moon varies, from 0.026 to 0.077.
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The eccentricity of the orbit of the moon can be calculated by the following formula.
E ≈ Vl / Vz = 28/365 = 0,076
----------------
Where Vl - Orbital velocity of the moon.
Vz - Orbital velocity of the Earth.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Bored chemist on 03/07/2020 19:27:23
eccentricity of the orbit of the moon
You calculate a single value for the eccentricity of the Moon, but reality gives it a range- it varies.
So you are wrong.
Quote from: Bored chemist on 30/06/2020 15:08:04
Quote from: Bored chemist on 29/06/2020 22:39:46
Now, can you get back to the point?

Quote from: Bored chemist on 28/06/2020 20:12:45
Now, please answer the question.


Quote from: Bored chemist on Yesterday at 18:52:18
Now, why don't you explain why you keep posting stuff that is obviously wrong.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Kryptid on 03/07/2020 19:29:22
The eccentricity of the orbit of the moon can be calculated by the following formula.
E ≈ Vl / Vz = 28/365 = 0,076
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Where Vl - Orbital velocity of the moon.
Vz - Orbital velocity of the Earth.

In what units is the orbital velocity of the Moon 28 and the Earth 365? If I divide the orbital velocity of the Moon in km/s (1.022) and that of the Earth (29.78), then I get 0.0343. But that number should be the same regardless of the units. So your calculation of 0.076 is wrong if you are talking about orbital velocities.

Did you mean orbital period instead? That would make more sense, given that the Moon's orbital period is 28 days and the Earth's is 365 days. But when we try this with Phobos (0.3189 days) and Mars (686.971), we get a predicted eccentricity of 0.000464 (which is very wrong). So this equation doesn't work either.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Bored chemist on 03/07/2020 20:21:29

, we get a predicted eccentricity of 0.000464 (which is very wrong). So this equation doesn't work either.
He has provided many variations of wrong!
But not a single example of right.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 03/07/2020 21:59:21
The eccentricity of the orbit of the moon can be calculated by the following formula.
E ≈ Vl / Vz = 28/365 = 0,076
----------------
Where Vl - Orbital velocity of the moon.
Vz - Orbital velocity of the Earth.

In what units is the orbital velocity of the Moon 28 and the Earth 365? If I divide the orbital velocity of the Moon in km/s (1.022) and that of the Earth (29.78), then I get 0.0343. But that number should be the same regardless of the units. So your calculation of 0.076 is wrong if you are talking about orbital velocities.

Did you mean orbital period instead? That would make more sense, given that the Moon's orbital period is 28 days and the Earth's is 365 days. But when we try this with Phobos (0.3189 days) and Mars (686.971), we get a predicted eccentricity of 0.000464 (which is very wrong). So this equation doesn't work either.
The eccentricity of the orbit of the moon can be calculated by the following formula.
E ≈ (Vz / Ss) / (Vl / Sz) = 0.0000584 / 0.001875 = 0.031
----------------
Where Vz - Orbital velocity of the Earth - 8760 r / h.
Ss - The distance from the Sun to the Earth is 150,000,000 km.
--------------
Where Vl - Orbital speed of the Moon - 720 r / h.
Sz - Distance from the Earth to the Moon 384 000 km.
************************************
The eccentricity of the Phobos orbit can be calculated by the following formula.
E ≈ (Vm / Ss) / (Vph / Sz) = 0.000093 / 0.0078 = 0.0119
----------------
Where Vm - Orbital velocity of Mars - 18696 revolution / hour.
Ss - The distance from the Sun to Mars is 200,000,000 km.
--------------
Where Vf - Phobos orbital speed - 7.4 hrpm
Sz - Distance from Mars to Phobos 9400 km.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Kryptid on 03/07/2020 22:03:43
Orbital velocity of Mars - 18696 revolution / hour.

Do you have any idea just how wrong this is?
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 03/07/2020 22:45:53
The eccentricity of the orbit of the moon can be calculated by the following formula.
E ≈ (Vz / Sz) / (Vl / Sl) = 0.0000584 / 0.001875 = 0.031
----------------
Where Vz - Orbital velocity of the Earth - one revolution in 8760 hours.
Sz - The distance from the Sun to the Earth is 150,000,000 km.
--------------
Where Vl - Orbital velocity of the Moon - one revolution in 720 hours.
Sl - Distance from the Earth to the Moon 384 000 km.
************************************
The eccentricity of the Phobos orbit can be calculated by the following formula.
E ≈ (Vm / Sm) / (Vf / Sf) = 0.000081 / 0.00078 = 0.0103
----------------
Where Vm - Orbital velocity of Mars - one revolution in 18696 hours.
Sm - The distance from the Sun to Mars is 230,000,000 km.
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Where Vf - Phobos orbital speed - one revolution in 7.4 hours.
Sf - Distance from Mars to Phobos 9400 km.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Kryptid on 03/07/2020 22:51:32
Those still aren't the correct eccentricity values.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Bored chemist on 04/07/2020 01:07:02
Those still aren't the correct eccentricity values.
He has provided many variations of wrong!
But not a single example of right.

Quote from: Bored chemist on 02/07/2020 13:34:17
Quote from: Bored chemist on 30/06/2020 15:08:04
Quote from: Bored chemist on 29/06/2020 22:39:46
Now, can you get back to the point?

Quote from: Bored chemist on 28/06/2020 20:12:45
Now, please answer the question.


Quote from: Bored chemist on Yesterday at 18:52:18
Now, why don't you explain why you keep posting stuff that is obviously wrong.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Bored chemist on 04/07/2020 01:08:11
The eccentricity of the orbit of the moon can be calculated by the following formula.
E ≈ (Vz / Ss) / (Vl / Sz) = 0.0000584 / 0.001875 = 0.031


Liar.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Bored chemist on 04/07/2020 01:10:28
The eccentricity of the orbit of the moon can be calculated by the following formula.
E ≈ Vl / Vz = 28/365 = 0,076
Liar
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 05/07/2020 13:19:56
The geological activity coefficient of Mercury can be calculated using the following formula.
E ≈ (Vm / Sm) / (Vm / Rm) = 0.003 / 0.0045 = 0.66
----------------
Where Vm - The orbital speed of Mercury - 174,000 km / h.
Sm - The distance from the Sun to Mercury is 58,000,000 km.
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Where Vm - Equatorial rotation speed of Mercury - 11 km / h.
Rm - Mercury radius - 2400 km.
*************
The geological activity coefficient of Venus can be calculated using the following formula.
E ≈ (Vв / Sв) / (Vв / Rв) = 0.0011 / 0.010 = 0.11
----------------
Where Vz - Orbital velocity of Venus - 126000 km / h.
Sz - The distance from the Sun to Venus is 110,000,000 km.
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Where Vz - Equatorial rotation speed of Venus - 6.52 km / h.
Rz - Radius of Venus - 6000 km.
****************************
The geological activity coefficient of the Earth can be calculated by the following formula.
E ≈ (Vz / Ss) / (Vl / Rz) = 0.00071 / 0.26 = 0.0027
----------------
Where Vz - Orbital velocity of the Earth - 107 000 km / h.
Sz - The distance from the Sun to the Earth is 150,000,000 km.
--------------
Where Vz - Equatorial speed of rotation of the Earth - 1700 km / h.
Rz - Radius of the Earth - 6500 km.
*********************************
The geological activity coefficient of Jupiter can be calculated using the following formula.
E ≈ (Vyu / Syu) / (Vyu / Ryu) = 0.000061 / 0.64 = 0.000095
----------------
Where Vy - The orbital speed of Jupiter - 47052 km km / h.
Syu - The distance from the Sun to Jupiter is 770,000,000 km.
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Where Vy - Equatorial rotation speed of Jupiter - 45000 km / h.
Ryu - Jupiter radius - 70,000 km.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Bored chemist on 05/07/2020 15:53:11
The geological activity coefficient
You still haven't said what it is.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 06/07/2020 21:26:46
The eccentricity of the orbit of the moon can be calculated by the following formula.
E ≈ Vl / Vz = 28/365 = 0,076
Liar
The eccentricity of the orbit of the moon can be calculated by the following formula. E ≈ Vz / Vl = 30/360 = 0,083
Where Vz - Orbital velocity of the Earth - 30 degrees / month.
Vl - Orbital velocity of the moon - 360 degrees / month.
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The eccentricity of the orbit of the moon can be calculated by the following formula.
E ≈ (Vz / Sz) / (Vl / Sl) = 0.00071 / 0.0095 = 0.074
Where Vz - Orbital velocity of the Earth - 107 000 km / h.
Sz - Distance from the Sun to the Earth - 150,000,000
Where Vl - Orbital velocity of the moon - 3680 km / h.
Sl - Distance from the Earth to the Moon 384 000км.
The eccentricity of the orbit of the moon varies, from 0.026 to 0.077.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Bored chemist on 06/07/2020 22:29:33
The eccentricity of the orbit of the moon can be calculated by the following formula.
E ≈ Vz / Vl = 30/360 = 0,083
Do you know what "liar" means?
It means someone who says something which they know is not true.
Now the real value for the eccentricity is, on average  0.0549, and you know that because you have been told repeatedly.
And, more importantly, it varies as you say, from 0.026 to 0.077.

And you keep saying it doesn't.
You keep saying it's a fixed value
 30/360 = 0,083
which you know isn't true.

Why do you keep doing that?

Why do you say it is fixed and also say that it varies?
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 08/07/2020 07:39:33
The eccentricity of the orbit of the moon can be calculated by the following formula. E ≈ Vz / Vl = 30/360 = 0,083
Where Vz - Orbital velocity of the Earth - 30 degrees / month.
Vl - Orbital velocity of the moon - 360 degrees / month.
---
The eccentricity of the orbit of the moon can be calculated by the following formula.
E ≈ (Vz / Sz) / (Vl / Sl) = 0.00071 / 0.0095 = 0.074
Where Vz - Orbital velocity of the Earth - 107 000 km / h.
Sz - Distance from the Sun to the Earth - 150,000,000
Where Vl - Orbital velocity of the moon - 3680 km / h.
Sl - Distance from the Earth to the Moon 384 000км.
The eccentricity of the orbit of the moon varies, from 0.026 to 0.077.
Satellites that are in resonance between themselves and with the planet, as a rule, move stably and move away from the planet.
And satellites that do not resonate with the planet move randomly, somersault, change eccentricity and approach the planet.
The eccentricity of satellites is also affected by the physical libration of planetary satellites, the nature of which is in the three-body problem.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: The Spoon on 08/07/2020 13:12:41
Satellites that are in resonance between themselves and with the planet, as a rule, move stably and move away from the planet.
And satellites that do not resonate with the planet move randomly, somersault, change eccentricity and approach the planet.
The eccentricity of satellites is also affected by the physical libration of planetary satellites, the nature of which is in the three-body problem.
What utter nonsense. It is becoming increasingly clear your idiotic statements are just trolling.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 08/07/2020 13:56:53
Please point out exactly where the error is and why it is an error. Otherwise you are in danger of being considered a troll.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: The Spoon on 08/07/2020 13:59:10
Satellites that are in resonance between themselves and with the planet, as a rule, move stably and move away from the planet.
And satellites that do not resonate with the planet move randomly, somersault, change eccentricity and approach the planet.
The eccentricity of satellites is also affected by the physical libration of planetary satellites, the nature of which is in the three-body problem.
See the above.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 09/07/2020 12:41:43
The eccentricity of the Moon's orbit can be calculated using the following formula. E = Vz / Vl = 0.0411 / 0.55 = 0.0747
Where Vz - Earth's orbital speed - 0.0411 degrees / hour.
Vl - Moon's orbital speed - 0.55 degrees / hour.

The eccentricity of the Moon's orbit can be calculated using the following formula.
E = (Vz / Sz) / (Vl / Sl) = 0.00071 / 0.0095 = 0.0747
Where Vz is the Earth's orbital speed - 107,218 km / h.
Sz - Distance from the Sun to the Earth - 150,000,000 km.
Where Vl is the Moon's orbital speed - 3683 km / h.
Sl - Distance from the Earth to the Moon 384,000 km.
The eccentricity of the Moon's orbit varies, from 0.026 to 0.077.
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Both formulas show that the average eccentricity of the Moon's orbit is 0.0747.
And the average eccentricity of the Moon's orbit, which is determined using radar, is 0.054.
http://www.aggregateria.com/R/radiolokatsionnaja_astronomija.html
Satellites that are in resonance between themselves and with the planet, as a rule, move stably and move away from the planet.
And satellites that do not resonate with the planet move randomly, somersault, change eccentricity and approach the planet.
The eccentricity of satellites is also affected by the physical libration of planetary satellites, the nature of which is in the three-body problem.
Using the formula E = Vz / Vl, it is possible to determine with great accuracy the dependence of the eccentricity on the orbital velocity, and it is not possible to calculate the eccentricity with high accuracy.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Bored chemist on 09/07/2020 12:45:03
Using the formula E = Vz / Vl, it is possible to determine with great accuracy the dependence of the eccentricity on the orbital velocity,
Go on then... show that it determines something.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 10/07/2020 10:36:27
The hypothesis of the formation of a record super-new moon.
As we know the length of the lunar ellipse depends on the orbital velocity of the Earth.
The monthly orbital velocity of the Earth increases monthly in the new moon phase, which increases the length of the lunar ellipse. At the same time, the height of the lunar ellipse decreases accordingly, due to which, in the new moon phase, the Moon becomes closer to the Earth, and as a result a super-new moon is formed.
In winter at perihelion, the orbital velocity of the Earth rises.
During the coincidence of the perihelion of the Earth and the new moon, the orbital velocity of the Earth reaches its maximum value, due to which a record super-new moon and super-full moon are formed.
In the summer in aphelion, in the new moon phase, only the super-new moon is formed.
Calendar of record super moons. https://predicalendar.ru/wiki/moon/super-moon/
December 3, 2017, Sunday
January 2, 2018, Tuesday
January 21, 2019, Monday
February 19, 2019, Tuesday.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermoon

Criticism of the existing theory of record super moon.
Super moon - occurs when the full moon or new moon coincides with perigee, as a result of the rotation of the orbit of the moon. At a speed of one revolution in 8.8 years.
It means:
That every 8.8 years super moon happens.
And given the fact that the moon’s orbit rotates extremely slowly, 1 revolution in 8.8 years, then the super moon lasts about a year.
At the same time, if the moon is super full in perihelion, then in the aphelion, after half a month, micro new moon should occur.
But such a natural phenomenon is not observed in nature.
https://images.app.goo.gl/aRfBpPhE2eTMB3YaA
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apsidal_precession
2) What force rotates the orbit of the moon?
3) Why the record-breaking super moon is not formed in the summer.
4) Why is the record super new moon more than the super full moon.
5) The orbit of the moon does not rotate and does not make one revolution in 8.8 years. Because, the Solar Coriolis effect, once a month stretches the orbit of the Moon along the orbit of the Earth. And the orbits of the planets of the solar system rotate. https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%89%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B3%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%8F_%D0%9C%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BA%D1%83%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%8F

6) The major axis of the moon's ellipse is always elongated along the Earth’s orbit, and does not become perpendicular to the Earth’s orbit.
https://images.app.goo.gl/aRfBpPhE2eTMB3YaA
The orbit of the moon does not rotate and does not make one revolution in 8.8 years. Because, the Solar Coriolis effect, once a month stretches the orbit of the Moon along the orbit of the Earth. And the orbits of the planets of the solar system rotate.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Bored chemist on 10/07/2020 13:26:10
The orbit of the moon does not rotate
Yes it does.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_precession

does not make one revolution in 8.8 years.
Well, it might be nearer to 8.9 but that's not a major issue
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apsidal_precession

And it's also not that simple, there are other axes.


Why do you post stuff that's obviously wrong?
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 11/07/2020 00:36:24
In winter, on the second day after the new moon, when the Earth's orbital speed reaches its maximum value, a record super-new moon is formed, and in the northern hemisphere, maximum tides are formed.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Bored chemist on 11/07/2020 10:10:42
In winter, on the second day after the new moon, when the Earth's orbital speed reaches its maximum value, a record super-new moon is formed,...
What is a "super-new moon"?
A super Moon is big a new Moon is small.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 20/07/2020 12:16:11
Using the formula E = Vz / Vl, it is possible to determine with great accuracy the dependence of the eccentricity on the orbital velocity,
Go on then... show that it determines something.
To determine the orbital angular velocity of the Earth, it is sufficient to multiply the angular velocity of the Moon by the eccentricity of the Moon's orbit.
Vz ≈ Vl × E ≈ 360 × 0.083
Also, you can check the orbital speed of other planets.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Bored chemist on 20/07/2020 13:40:59
Let's check.
angular velocity of the Moon
OK
The orbital period is
27.321661 days
Which is
2,360,591.5 seconds
So the velocity is
4.2362 * 10^-7 Hz
2.6617 e-6 rads per second


eccentricity of the Moon's orbit.
And that's
0.0549
orbital angular velocity of the Earth
OK that's once every 365.24 days
31,556,736
And a frequency of
3.16889e-8 Hz
And an angular velocity of
1.9911e-7 rad/sec

OK, so, what you are saying is that you
"multiply the angular velocity of the Moon by the eccentricity of the Moon's orbit."
To get "the orbital angular velocity of the Earth"

OK that's
multiply 2.6617 e-6 rads per second by 0.0549
To get  1.9911e-7 rad/sec
But that's not the answer you get from that multiplication, is it?
 You can save a lot of scrabbling with arithmetic by working in reciprocal days as a unit.

 orbital angular velocity of the Earth
1/365.24
0.0027379257
angular velocity of the Moon
1/27.321661
0.0366009958

And the ratio is
0.07480
Which isn't 0.0549

Also, you can check the orbital speed of other planets.
Why bother?
It doesn't work with the Earth and the Moon.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Bored chemist on 20/07/2020 13:48:02
This idea hasn't got any better since we first pointed out that it was wrong.
The Earth’s orbital speed is 30 degrees per month.
The orbital speed of the moon is 360 degrees per month.
E = 30/360 = 0.083

You know that's the wrong answer, don't you?
It's not just that it's the wrong answer (the right answer is nearer to 1/13 than 1/12), but it's the wrong answer to the wrong question.



The eccentricity of the orbit of the moon can be calculated by the following formula. E = Vz / Vl
Where Vz - Orbital velocity of the Earth.
Vl - Orbital velocity of the moon.
No, it isn't.
And there's no reason to imagine that it would be.
The right answer is about 0.0549.

Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 20/07/2020 22:00:01
orbital angular velocity of the Earth
1/365.24
0.0027379257
angular velocity of the Moon
1/27.321661
0.0366009958

And the ratio is
0.07480
Which isn't 0.0549
The eccentricity of the Moon's orbit can be approximately calculated using the following formula.
E ≈ (Vz / Sz) / (Vl / Sl) = 0.00071 / 0.0095 = 0.074
Where Vz is the Earth's orbital speed - 107,218 km / h.
Sz - Distance from the Sun to the Earth - 150,000,000
Where Vl is the Moon's orbital speed - 3683 km / h.
Sl - Distance from the Earth to the Moon 384 000 km.
The eccentricity of the Moon's orbit varies, from 0.026 to 0.077.

Both formulas show the same result, this is no coincidence. 0.074
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Bored chemist on 20/07/2020 22:12:05
this is no coincidence.
It certainly isn't a coincidence.
Because 0.074 is a number and .026 to 0.077is a range.
So they are not even the same sort of thing.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Kryptid on 20/07/2020 22:38:09
Both formulas show the same result

A result that is wrong.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 20/07/2020 22:44:37
Both formulas show the result - 0.074
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Kryptid on 21/07/2020 00:34:39
Both formulas show the result - 0.074

0.074 is wrong, so both formulas are wrong.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 21/07/2020 01:53:18
The eccentricity of the Moon's orbit can be calculated using the following formula. E = Vz / Vl = 0.0411 / 0.55 = 0.0747
Where Vz - Earth's orbital speed - 0.0411 degrees / hour.
Vl - Moon's orbital speed - 0.55 degrees / hour.

The eccentricity of the Moon's orbit can be calculated using the following formula.
E = (Vz / Sz) / (Vl / Sl) = 0.00071 / 0.0095 = 0.0747
Where Vz is the Earth's orbital speed - 107,218 km / h.
Sz - Distance from the Sun to the Earth - 150,000,000 km.
Where Vl is the Moon's orbital speed - 3683 km / h.
Sl - Distance from the Earth to the Moon 384,000 km.
The eccentricity of the Moon's orbit varies, from 0.026 to 0.077.
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Both formulas show that the average eccentricity of the Moon's orbit is 0.0747.
And the average eccentricity of the Moon's orbit, which is determined using radar, is 0.054.
http://www.aggregateria.com/R/radiolokatsionnaja_astronomija.html
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Kryptid on 21/07/2020 04:46:01
Then, according to these two formulas, the distance from the Sun to the Earth will not be 150 but 200 m. km.

All the more reason to discount your formulas as wrong.

Check your results in advance and make sure they are correct before posting them. The fact that you keep posting wrong answers over and over again makes it look like you are trying to waste everyone's time.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Bored chemist on 21/07/2020 08:50:13
Come back to us when you have a formula that works for Venus and Mercury with eccentricities of 0.0068 and 0.2056 respectively.

Don't come back with the same wrong formula because that's just trolling.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 21/07/2020 10:42:54
Come back to us when you have a formula that works for Venus and Mercury with eccentricities of 0.0068 and 0.2056 respectively.
You are the author of this formula, E = Vl / Vz = 27.3 / 365.2 = 0.0747
Now show how it works.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Bored chemist on 21/07/2020 11:43:49
You are the author of this formula
No,  I am not.

Come back to us when you have a formula that works for Venus and Mercury with eccentricities of 0.0068 and 0.2056 respectively.

Don't come back with the same wrong formula because that's just trolling.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 21/07/2020 12:15:57
You are the author of this formula
No,  I am not.

Come back to us when you have a formula that works for Venus and Mercury with eccentricities of 0.0068 and 0.2056 respectively.

Don't come back with the same wrong formula because that's just trolling.
Venus and Mercury have no satellites.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: The Spoon on 21/07/2020 12:34:46
Come back to us when you have a formula that works for Venus and Mercury with eccentricities of 0.0068 and 0.2056 respectively.
You are the author of this formula, E = Vl / Vz = 27.3 / 365.2 = 0.0747
Now show how it works.
Why tell such a stupid obvious lie? It is becoming more and more apparent that you are trolling.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Bored chemist on 21/07/2020 13:16:26
You are the author of this formula
No,  I am not.

Come back to us when you have a formula that works for Venus and Mercury with eccentricities of 0.0068 and 0.2056 respectively.

Don't come back with the same wrong formula because that's just trolling.
Venus and Mercury have no satellites.
So what?
They are in orbit round the Sun.
So, when you can come up with a formula for their orbital eccentricities, let us know.
Otherwise just stop posting.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 21/07/2020 13:27:40
The Earth’s orbit is formed by the Galactic Coriolis force.
When the Earth, revolving around the Sun, approaches and moves away from the center of the galaxy at a speed of 30 km / s, the galactic Coriolis force stretches the Earth’s orbit along the orbit of the Sun, due to which the Earth’s orbit similar to the Lunar one should form. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galactic_year https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milky_Way
But the orbits of the planets are not stretched along the orbit of the Sun, which means that the Sun does not revolve around the center of the galaxy, but is in space, in a motionless state. https://m.habr.com/en/post/411567/
The objects of the solar system cannot endlessly revolve around numerous centers.
The laws of celestial mechanics are not omnipotent and are limited by the task of three bodies. The Earth revolves around the Sun, the Moon revolves around the Earth, and nothing revolves around the Moon. No natural planetary satellite has a permanent or temporary satellite, because this will be the task of four bodies, which contradicts the laws of being.
In nature, there is no relationship without symbiosis, and in the center of the galaxy, the solar system does not need.
https://spaceworlds.ru/solnechnaya-sistema/orbity-planet.html
And the main question is why planetary satellites do not have satellites, and asteroids possess satellites. Despite the fact that asteroids are much smaller than planet satellites. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minor-planet_moon
The two satellites of Saturn, Janus and Epimetheus, move in the same orbit, and overtake each other every four years.
If these two satellites revolved around the Sun, then Janus would capture Epimetheus. https://elementy.ru/kartinka_dnya/430/Tanets_Yanusa_i_Epimeteya
The statement that the ellipse of the planets is formed due to the disturbance of the planets does not correspond to reality, since Venus and Neptune move in a circular orbit.
The reason for the formation of the ellipse of the planets is beyond the cognitive capabilities of modern science.
Title: Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
Post by: Bored chemist on 21/07/2020 17:21:00
The statement that the ellipse of the planets is formed due to the disturbance of the planets does not correspond to reality, since Venus and Neptune move in a circular orbit.
No, they do not.
The reason for the formation of the ellipse of the planets is beyond the cognitive capabilities of modern science.
No, it is not.

So, when you can come up with a formula for their orbital eccentricities, let us know.
Otherwise just stop posting.