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Life Sciences => Physiology & Medicine => Topic started by: Edwina Lee on 04/10/2020 16:12:36

Title: How is traditional Chinese Medicine is getting recognition from the WHO?
Post by: Edwina Lee on 04/10/2020 16:12:36
2020-09-24 How TCM is helping to fight covid-19
https://www.scmp.com/presented/news/hong-kong/health-environment/topics/worlds-lab/article/3100990/how-traditional
Title: Re: How is traditional Chinese Medicine is getting recognition from the WHO?
Post by: evan_au on 05/10/2020 10:42:48
I would say that Traditional Chinese Medicine was likely complicit in the coronavirus jump from bats into humans.

Traditional Chinese Medicine values pangolin scales as a medicinal, even though they are chemically equivalent to toenails.
- One possible route for the coronavirus jump from bats to humans was in the markets supporting the illegal trade in wildlife (including pangolins), which puts many species in close proximity that would normally be far apart in the wild.

See: https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/mammals/group/pangolins/
Title: Re: How is traditional Chinese Medicine is getting recognition from the WHO?
Post by: Bored chemist on 05/10/2020 11:14:49
The WHO has recognised that TCM exists and that it has a system for the classification of diseases and has overseen the production of standardised English translations for the classifications.

It hasn't said that TCM works.
Title: Re: How is traditional Chinese Medicine is getting recognition from the WHO?
Post by: Edwina Lee on 05/10/2020 12:34:16
So the failure of one western drug means that western medicine is rubbish?

I would say that Traditional Chinese Medicine was likely complicit in the coronavirus jump from bats into humans.

Traditional Chinese Medicine values pangolin scales as a medicinal, even though they are chemically equivalent to toenails.
- One possible route for the coronavirus jump from bats to humans was in the markets supporting the illegal trade in wildlife (including pangolins), which puts many species in close proximity that would normally be far apart in the wild.

See: https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/mammals/group/pangolins/

If you read the SCMP article, you would have learnt that TCM & western medical practices are working together in Hong Kong and China. Each tradition has different emphasis and biases, and Hong Kong's life expectancy has exceeded Japan. 
The practice of medicine isn't a pure investigative science like chemistry or physics, but a blend of many physical, biological, psychological, managerial, resource utilisation, philosophical, life views, life strategy, .  .  .  So if you start out looking at TCM as "scientific heresy" then you have already gone down the route of those who will never discover something new:-
The WHO has recognised that TCM exists and that it has a system for the classification of diseases and has overseen the production of standardised English translations for the classifications.

It hasn't said that TCM works.
Title: Re: How is traditional Chinese Medicine is getting recognition from the WHO?
Post by: Edwina Lee on 05/10/2020 12:36:49
Quote from the SCMP article: <<"The potential of TCM and its contribution to medical knowledge is also gaining international recognition. Last year, the World Health Organization (WHO) added TCM therapies to its global diagnostic compendium for the first time.">>
Title: Re: How is traditional Chinese Medicine is getting recognition from the WHO?
Post by: Bored chemist on 05/10/2020 12:56:02
Like the t shirt says: "will convert for evidence".
Title: Re: How is traditional Chinese Medicine is getting recognition from the WHO?
Post by: Edwina Lee on 05/10/2020 18:09:42
Like the t shirt says: "will convert for evidence".
There is no suggestion nor invitation for you to convert.
Read what it says again:


Quote from the SCMP article: <<"The potential of TCM and its contribution to medical knowledge is also gaining international recognition. Last year, the World Health Organization (WHO) added TCM therapies to its global diagnostic compendium for the first time.">>
Title: Re: How is traditional Chinese Medicine is getting recognition from the WHO?
Post by: Bored chemist on 05/10/2020 18:16:33
There is no suggestion nor invitation for you to convert.
So if you start out looking at TCM as "scientific heresy" then you have already gone down the route of those who will never discover something new:-
When you start talking about heresy, you are talking about conversion.

Did you deliberately miss the point?


Title: Re: How is traditional Chinese Medicine is getting recognition from the WHO?
Post by: Edwina Lee on 06/10/2020 02:13:39
Whatever attitudes are, this is the factual report:-
Quote from the SCMP article: <<"The potential of TCM and its contribution to medical knowledge is also gaining international recognition. Last year, the World Health Organization (WHO) added TCM therapies to its global diagnostic compendium for the first time.">>
Title: Re: How is traditional Chinese Medicine is getting recognition from the WHO?
Post by: Bored chemist on 06/10/2020 08:48:35
Whatever attitudes are, this is the factual report:-
Quote from the SCMP article: <<"The potential of TCM and its contribution to medical knowledge is also gaining international recognition. Last year, the World Health Organization (WHO) added TCM therapies to its global diagnostic compendium for the first time.">>

The relevant factual report is from the WHO, not the SCMP.
Title: Re: How is traditional Chinese Medicine is getting recognition from the WHO?
Post by: evan_au on 06/10/2020 10:14:30
Nature journal did an opinion piece on the WHO diagnostic chapter on TCM. This was not so enthusiastic...
See: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-01726-1

Title: Re: How is traditional Chinese Medicine is getting recognition from the WHO?
Post by: Petrochemicals on 06/10/2020 16:48:37
How indeed is Chinese traditional medicine getting recognition. You see, there's this guy in America, says the Chinese are in cahoots with the WHO, you may of heard  of him.

Chinese medicine is about as reliable as European traditional medicine, some bits good like aspirin etc, some bits bad, like  arsenic, and some bits just nutritious, like citrus fruits.
Title: Re: How is traditional Chinese Medicine is getting recognition from the WHO?
Post by: Bored chemist on 06/10/2020 17:22:08
You see, there's this guy in America, says the Chinese are in cahoots with the WHO, you may of heard  of him.
Is he the one who said he would build a wall and that the Mexicans would pay for it?
If so, I wouldn't pay him much attention.
A lot of what he says is nonsense.