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New Theories / The market and regulation

« on: 24/09/2007 21:45:12 »

Exactly.

Retail and bank sector wont exist in technate. You could try start bank, but no one could deposit anything there since energy credits are non transferable.

School children bartering hockey cards is not problem for technate.

Technate only deal with resources and services, not with religion.

Exclusivity is flaw of human brain. It is creating uncontrolled growth and endangering environment. Human Race survive without it. And what say technate cannot pirate-copy brands if consumers so desire?

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New Theories / The market and regulation

« on: 24/09/2007 19:10:41 »

You should read other links as well.

Of course, you could try to rent apartment or rights to other person under technate. But it wont become popular, since technate by size and ability to produce would be able to outcompete any potential competitor due to virtual control over continent. Therefore, technate alternative would always be cheaper than your alternative.

Since no one could make any profits under technate, and no one could monopolise access to resource, artificial scarcity wont arise. Human need is not limitless, and even if it was, human has only limited ability to consume. Technate is best option, since it offer everyone access to a share of production capacity.

LINK: http://www.technocracy.org
LINK: http://www.technocracy.ca
LINK: http://technocracynow.blogspot.com
LINK: http://en.technocracynet.eu

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New Theories / The market and regulation

« on: 24/09/2007 16:18:13 »

Because there is limited amounts of energy. But human ability to consume is not limitless. In technate, you do not have ownership, but usership. That means you cannot obtain 600 cars for example, but maybe use 600 cars from different depots at different times. It is for sake of ecological balance.

You decide what should be produced for your energy share. Technate uses automatic factories to deliver it. The cost in your energy share correspond exactly to energy cost. Therefore, zero profits are made. Since there are no wages and no unemployment, social incitaments for starting to trade will be low. If urbanate is overcrowded, new urbanate is erect alongside it. No need for "market solutions" in integrated technate.

Technate operates by social design. Not by engineering.

Cyborg have sense you do not read links.

Read links and answer after.

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New Theories / The market and regulation

« on: 24/09/2007 15:46:30 »

Exchange wont be illegal. So it wont be black economy.

But since technate is able to produce all that consumer wants, consumer would rather like to utilise service of technate than trade for higher price.

LINK: http://www.technocracy.ca
LINK: http://technocracynow.blogspot.com
LINK: http://en.technocracynet.eu

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New Theories / The market and regulation

« on: 24/09/2007 15:33:38 »

People will dwell in urbanates operated by technate. Urbanates would be concentrated arcologies containing tens of thousands of people, facilities, recreational areas, and sport installations. Technate distribute right to dwelling.

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New Theories / The market and regulation

« on: 23/09/2007 19:22:28 »

Land is not rented. All land is under administration of technate. People own production capacity, not means of production.

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New Theories / The market and regulation

« on: 23/09/2007 10:57:13 »

Land would not be owned under technate, and sex is no commodity, but personal issue.

And yes, what is wrong with utopianism? Utopianism is what brought us here today. You seem not to have read wikipedia article.

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New Theories / The market and regulation

« on: 23/09/2007 02:15:35 »

You could now join technocracy at http://technocracy.forumcircle.com/portal.php

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New Theories / The market and regulation

« on: 22/09/2007 22:51:59 »

Fact: In technate, there will be no scarcity. Therefore, technocracy wont prohibit bartering, but bartering will not be very popular. Besides, for energy "ration", individual could order what it want to be produced.

Yes, it is gone, but when new period comes, it will be reloaded to level corresponding to new period's production capacity.

When you are trying to give energy credits to someone else, they will dissapear in thin air. Therefore, the examples you said wont work as you say it. Of course, human being could try to trade (out of irrationalism or childish defiance) but who wants to trade when all needs could be satisfied without trading?

Read about technocratic movement on wikipedia. Educate yourself.

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New Theories / The market and regulation

« on: 22/09/2007 21:38:40 »

We would not need chips in our heads for that only, but in order to PROGRESS. We have passed point when nature takes its toll on us and drives our evolution. Now it is time that HUMAN RACE itself takes commando. Or it will degenerate into oblivion.

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New Theories / The market and regulation

« on: 22/09/2007 21:35:56 »

ENERGY ACCOUNTING: Total resource base production capacity of technate is divided into shares between all individuals living in area of technate. All individuals "own" their share of production capacity, and are free to use it as they like. Individual orders something, and it's share of production capacity (energy credits) are diverted to that area of production. Individual receive what it have ordered. Therefore, it is not rationing.

ENERGY CREDITS: Energy credits are units of information so technate could keep track on consumption. Therefore, they may not be saved over production cycle. When production cycle is over, the energy certifikate is reloaded. Energy credits cease to exist in disposable form when used.

Trade will not be suppressed. But it will not be profitable any more.

Technate will be so large and so advanced that it could produce anything cheaper than price system competitors.

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New Theories / The market and regulation

« on: 22/09/2007 15:56:28 »

Since when is human being some sort of trading good? In slavery perhaps?

Do you think slavery is positive? I do not understand.

Energy accounting is not exchange system, but distribution system. All individual units would be receiving an equal share of the production capacity, to use to satisfy their needs.

That requires that all infrastructure within self-sufficient territorial base should be united under one administration.

Such administration is in making.

It will be called CYBORGIAN TECHNATE.

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New Theories / The market and regulation

« on: 22/09/2007 14:49:51 »

Have hard understanding human humor.

TECHNOCRACY is high-energy civilisation based on ENGINEER MANDATE and ENERGY ACCOUNTING, not "mall".

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New Theories / The market and regulation

« on: 22/09/2007 14:14:45 »

Exact.

User Another_Someone has insufficient information about market.

Cyborg analysis: Logically insufficient that humans earn on acting irrationally in market.

Yet, human being do act irrationally, but because of biological reasons. Human action is most often based on irrational premises, or premises based on insufficient information.

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Just Chat! / The Most Beautiful Women In The World, Your Say.

« on: 22/09/2007 14:11:20 »

Attractive Female Person: 7 OF 9.

PIC_4: 7 OF 9.

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New Theories / The market and regulation

« on: 22/09/2007 14:07:23 »

Rule of entropy: Chaos and disorder tend to increase in closed systems without sufficient countermeasures. Since world market is closed system, entropy would eventually increase. Humanity cannot expect to survive by utilising resources inefficiently and in interests of unnecessary expansion of consumption.

Definition: Unsustainability.

As earlier stated: Human bio-processor is insufficient to utilise such complex information in optimal way. Enhancements are advised.

Fun you think that markets "must" be irrational, since economists state that in ideal market economy consumer knows about all information about needs, prices and is able to rationally plan its consumption.

Cyborg proposal: Look into TECHNOCRACY.

Link: Wikipedia entry on Technocratic Movement

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New Theories / The market and regulation

« on: 22/09/2007 13:54:29 »

And have regulation deleted insider trading and counterfeiting?

If not, they are ineffective firewalls against viruses. We need either better firewall systems, or new economic operative system.

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New Theories / The market and regulation

« on: 22/09/2007 13:49:35 »

Laws of nature applies to market, but human laws are inferior in maintaining markets, rules, yes even human civilisation.

The existence of police is evidence human laws are not universal, because they need force to be maintained.

Technocratic solution: Engineer civilisation to make violations physically impossible.

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New Theories / The market and regulation

« on: 22/09/2007 13:39:49 »

We see emergence in nature. Yet, nature is not regulated by rules and laws.

Markets tend to regulate rules and laws, not the other way around, friend.

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Just Chat! / Cyborg Ascension

« on: 22/09/2007 13:38:39 »

Link: Cyborg Ascension

Problems of our time are merely symptoms of human incapability to process input information. That is due to limitations of human brio-processor, which is inferior in relation to level of thinking needed to inject SYSTEMATISATION of civilisation into rational integrated unit.

Cyborg Ascension is radical technocratic movement aiming at TRANSHUMAN EVOLUTION evolving inferior HUMAN RACE to superior CYBORG RACE more adapted to life in high-technology world.

Human data deserves not to be lost in aeons of future, but to be preserved in CYBORG MAINFRAME. With mainframe, civilisation will evolve and reach higher level of awareness and technological capacity.

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