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Just Chat! / Re: Can science prove God exists?

« on: 24/04/2020 06:36:05 »

Watch the documentary "Pandemic" which came out on Netflix on November 2019.

Is it any good?

Is it long and jumps around. But there is excellent information which foretells corona. I downloaded and then did a lot of fast forward to skip a lot of the ho-hum.

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Just Chat! / Re: Can science prove God exists?

« on: 23/04/2020 15:44:07 »

The Great CDC and the WHO have had their "science" and their "scientists" discredited.

Science has not been discredited.
The power of prayer has.


Trials start today in the UK on a vaccine. The work was coordinated and assisted by the WHO.
Try being less obviously wrong.

And it seems you forgot to answer this.

So, what did I say about masks that was wrong?
(please remember that the world has moved on in the meantime)

I will let those who read the posts decide for themselves on this post of yours.

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Just Chat! / Re: Can science prove God exists?

« on: 20/04/2020 10:44:05 »

Postscript.

Whilst I have no doubt that Jonah Duffy has witnessed and faithfully recorded many uncontrolled descents, I have it on good authority from a forensic phonetician who has analysed dozens of cockpit voice recorders, that the last word on every tape is always "sh1t!". Interesting that, whatever their native language or religion, even in moments of extreme stress, pilots continue to speak English. That's professionalism.

Interesting. People who are about to die often have an uncontrolled bowel movement. That might explain their last words.

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« on: 20/04/2020 10:40:35 »

How do I know what I know? I sometimes read the bible when I'm waiting my call in an operating theater.

Are you serious? If so, why do you read a book you are so opposed to?

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Just Chat! / Re: Can science prove God exists?

« on: 18/04/2020 14:45:40 »

I made a summary for my daughter:

The bottom line is that cell towers are very bad, cell phone use should be minimized and WiFi should not be used unless necessary.

My symptoms. Which varied depending on exposure and time.
Typical radiation values (in peak uW/sqm) are: 3,000 in old house next to tower, 300 next to other towers, 30 when I screen our old house, 2 in suburbia away from a tower, 0.2 in our new house, 0.02 in the country-side and on holiday. The legal limit is 10,000,000 which uses heating as a criteria.

A sharp rise in tinnitus
Noticed that a drop in hearing which got worse with time
Disturbed sleep waking tired scrambled dreams
Memory loss and problems spelling.
Mental confusion.
Skin growths on my forehead.
Clumsiness and dyslexia loss of balance
Four episodes of brief full body convulsions
Hand tremors
Nausea
Headaches
Anxiety and irritability.
Irregular heatbeat at times.
Higher than usual blood pressure.
Peripheral neuropathy in feet and toes.
Frequent diarrhoea
Severe and sharp pain in my right eye socket near my nose
3 metal tooth fillings fractured and broke
Knee replacement healing reversed when exposed
Burning sensation in my right hip where a nerve was being compressed.
Sharp stabbing pain in my side where I have a neuroma and the nerves have no myelin sheath.

My wife had similar symptoms (excepting teeth and knee) but not as bad. However, she had had facial basal cell carcinoma and a melanoma on her chest. She said if her cell phone was next to her at night she would feel unwell.

Our dogs showed depression and hearing loss.

The neighbours on the other side of the tower moved out of their house to live in their office because they were getting too sick. He had his prostate cancer return. They were also getting allergies.

Our grandson experienced epileptic seizures at 18 months of age after 5 month of visiting us at the tower home.

The neurologist said a patient who was getting sick with neurological symptoms eventually figured out he was getting ill at work and recovering on the weekends. If he worked in the company basement he had no problems. The basement had no WiFi.

A 17 year old went through a growth spurt and got a rare cancer on his upper right arm. A tower was recently erected outside their home and his bedroom. The cancer is associated with too many Xrays.

A nearby tower had a couple move close to it. They started getting ill and moved out after 6 months and then recovered. They had no idea that it could have been the tower.

Our symptoms have mostly disappeared now that we are locked down in our new house where the radiation is quite low. However, both my wife and I cannot be near active cell phones. We deactivate all WiFi because it is enough to make me ill the next day. I did not put my cell phone on aeroplane mode when I lay down one afternoon and I got a bad headache within 30 minutes. Put on aeroplane mode and the headache disappeared in 10 minutes. I still wear aluminium mesh beanie because the suburbia radiation is still to high and affects me.

On three occasions I have been on holiday for 5 days where the radiation is very low compared to suburbia. I felt great and did not need pain tablets.

My wife and I use our phones in loudspeaker mode, and kept them in another room if we leave them on, and sleep with the cell phones on the far side of the house.

Horrible way to live to avoid radiation sickness but what can we do?

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Just Chat! / Re: Can science prove God exists?

« on: 12/04/2020 14:27:30 »

Colin 2B.

I understand all your points.

In a few days I will make a couple of posts in the cell tower radiation harm thread and then probably give posting a rest for a while. Time will tell.

My posts in the other forum will be a summary of the long list of health problems I have personally endured and documented. If I help just one person it would be worth the effort.

I will end with this...

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/feb/06/bria...
In your book, you talk about the “majesty of religion”. What do you mean by that?
There’s a tendency, certainly among some scientists I know, to judge religion by whether or not it gives us factual information about an objective reality. That’s not the right yardstick. There are many others who recognise that the value of religion is found in its capacity to provide a sense of community, to allow us to see our lives within a larger context, to connect us through ritual to our forebears, to alleviate anxiety in the face of mortality, among other
thoroughly subjective benefits. When I’m looking to understand myself as a human, and how I fit in to the long chain of human culture that reaches back thousands of years, religion is a deeply valuable part of that story.

...If people take away one thought from your book, what should it be?
That there is great value in understanding how we fit into the largest possible landscape, the longest possible timeline. Seeing how we and our species fit in between the big bang and the closest science can take us to the end of time is something that gives us deeply illuminating context. It allows us to see the human search for meaning and purpose in a different light, and with that to recognise that there is no ultimate answer hovering in the depths of space
awaiting discovery. Instead, the context provided by the cosmological narrative frees us fully to develop our own, deeply and thoroughly subjective reasons for being.

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Just Chat! / Re: Can science prove God exists?

« on: 08/04/2020 16:14:13 »

Jesus, help this doctor and her husband who are suffering. I pray they would look to you and find in you the glory and wonder of your love.

Thank you. That is a wonderful message of caring. Both of them are committed Christians. If God is going to to help any of the faithful, it really should be those two.

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Just Chat! / Re: Can science prove God exists?

« on: 08/04/2020 08:16:59 »

A slow day. I was about to post that an absence of posts from CliveG does not mean an absence of CliveG. Although a sudden departure may mean exactly that.

Just a small comment. My wife's daughter-in-law is a doctor who works at the large public hospitals in Joburg. Bugs seem to circulate a lot. She had been sick with a chest infection for a while and took sick leave three weeks ago to got rid of it. Her husband (my wife's son) now has the infection. Fever, headaches and chest pains. But they have been in lock-down and the family has not left the house for nearly two weeks. If he got it from her, it is a long incubation - typical of Covid. She was tested but it was negative. We wonder if the test was negative. We wonder if she had it and got over it just when she was tested. My wife and I also had fever, headache and tightness of our chests along with fatigue a week ago.

Would it be helpful to have testing that shows that shows one has had the virus and is now over it? Antigens, I think.

SA has about 1,700 cases and 13 deaths. New Zealand has about 1,000 cases and 1 death. These ratios are low. I wonder why.

It cannot be faith in God. SA is religious and NZ is not. 

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« on: 07/04/2020 17:32:17 »

God doesn't play dice.

Nor do unicorns, and for the same reason.

And you know because you go out and play with those unicorns. They simply refuse to gamble (they do gambol - right?).

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Just Chat! / Re: Can science prove God exists?

« on: 07/04/2020 14:05:16 »

There is a book called "The Case for Christ" by Lee Stroebel which deals with the evidence for Christ as if it were a legal matter to prove. He says legally anyone would win a legal case based on the evidence considered admissible.

Yes, he says that.
It may not be true, but he says it anyway.
https://infidels.org/library/modern/jeff_lowder/strobel.html

The one thing you can say with certainty is that half the people in a courtroom are lying. It is the job of the judge and jury to decide which. And a lot depends on presentation, not facts: "He who defends himself has a fool for a client".

My experience is that judges want someone to write their order and their reasons for judgment and if a layman happens to have a lawyer who has connections inside the court (and especially outside the court), the judge does not do his job and dispense justice. And the appeal Courts do not want the status quo upset so they dismiss appeals with one sentence. I have seen many lawyers rip off their own clients. At least when I represented myself, I had an honest lawyer.

When a jury is involved, the selection of the jury and the manipulation of the jury (a la Simpson) can play a big part. As we see on many forums, a fact can be twisted and presented in such a way that it means the opposite of what it should. Most jurors are are emotional and not analytical. One sees that with the historical convictions of blacks in the South.

The only fair and just judgments happen in the afterlife.

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Just Chat! / Re: Can science prove God exists?

« on: 07/04/2020 07:28:57 »

Evidence. Three types. Scientific, legal and anecdotal. Let us take hydroxyquinone against Covid-19

At the moment science says it does not know. Anecdotes say it seems to work.

There is a book called "The Case for Christ" by Lee Stroebel which deals with the evidence for Christ as if it were a legal matter to prove. He says legally anyone would win a legal case based on the evidence considered admissible.

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Just Chat! / Re: Can science prove God exists?

« on: 07/04/2020 06:58:37 »

Former “Cheers” TV star Woody Harrelson recently posted a report “about the negative effects of 5G” and its supposed role in the coronavirus pandemic to his more than 2 million Instagram followers.

Thanks for the clarification.
Your view agrees with that of a man paid to pretend about things, but not with that of a man paid to know about things.

Oddly, the evidence (From China etc) still shows you are wrong.

I have a problem with the viewpoints and reasoning held by most movie stars. However, the one thing they do have is followers and are able to get a message out. All those scientists writing papers, and also letters to politicians, have had no effect. Many humans operate on emotion.

It is like the stock market. It never fails to amaze me with the ability of "professionals" to pump it up with hype. So what if companies are collapsing and unemployment is high. It is a buying opportunity. Buy, buy, buy - and the sheeple follow. This is round 3 of Satan's plan of destruction, so one can expect more calamity.

Anyhow, My wife and I need a respite from the bad news and the lockdown. The deeds office is closed and the sale of our former house is being stalled. We really need that to go through soon. My wife is stressing.

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Just Chat! / Re: Can science prove God exists?

« on: 05/04/2020 17:33:56 »

Science shows us that matter has never created matter. Science proves that nothing is not a source for something to become.

Neither statement is true. It's good enough for everyday practical chemistry and engineering but these phenomena are not prevented by any known physics. Indeed since the observable universe seems to have a finite age, physics actually demands ex nihilo creation of matter, by simple observation. We just don't fully understand the mechanism or have the ability to replicate it in the lab yet.

How about the ex nihilo of the laws of physics?

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« on: 05/04/2020 10:35:55 »

Science cannot explain why a mother loves her child. It cannot offer instructions to make compassion. It doesn't understand beauty.

actually, it can

you are correct, science doesnt address issues like life after death and the souls, because as of our current technology they are still in the science fiction dept. but hey, we are learning all the time and someday we may shed light on those subjects.

science can however address the issues of people 'believing' in life after death and souls. believing in something is a completely different issue to it actually being real. and we have the whole 'psychology. of belief' thing explained pretty well.

Would you agree that atheists have a belief based on rejection of "anecdotal evidence", and try to rationalize any event that physics cannot explain? Should atheists actually be agnostics if they really apply their minds?

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Just Chat! / Re: Can science prove God exists?

« on: 05/04/2020 07:44:30 »

Is anyone familiar with a rationale, logical, documented theory that clearly refutes the existence of God? Again, I'm not asking for you to repeat an old theory, rather, if you care to offer conjecture, please include data that is verifiable, thorough and scientifically valid.
So far, I haven't seen a single argument that is sustainable, intelligent or persuasive, but I would love to see it.

So would I.  👍 👍 👍

Sunday. The sun is out. I will enjoy the day and nature. Our garden is lovely. A slow day with nothing new to report. Hannity gave Cuomo a talking to about a 2015 report advising NY to buy ventilators - with an accurate report about a possible pandemic. Cuomo wasted money on pet projects.

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Just Chat! / Re: Can science prove God exists?

« on: 04/04/2020 11:17:52 »

Quote from: CliveG on Today at 09:35:41

    Countries should always ensure that at least 10% of imports are made locally

Is that a Yogi Berra quote?

I did not understand what you were referring to until after I read this site and then re-read my post. Yogi would have understood perfectly.
Correction
   Countries should always ensure that at least 10% of goods that are typically imported are made locally

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/03/the-50-greatest-yogi-berra-quotes
One I like is:
49. If the world were perfect, it wouldn’t be.
That sums up this atheist argument about the perfection of God.

31. I don’t know (if they were men or women fans running naked across the field). They had bags over their heads.
17. The future ain’t what it used to be.
4. It’s like déjà vu all over again.
- There are some people who, if they don’t already know, you can’t tell ’em.

Yogi apparently said "Prediction is very difficult, especially about the future." Some say if was Neils Bohr and some say it was Mark Twain.

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« on: 01/04/2020 16:09:48 »

Just a word of advice to everyone. If you don't have one, investing in a generator at this time is probably a smart thing to do. You can pick up a really good, new 5,000 to 7,500 watt unit for $600 to a thousand bucks. They will run a frig, a well pump, an air conditioner, your computers, t.v.s and radios.

Good advice. I have two. One a pull-cord start but then also got an electric start. But then we have had power outs on a regular basis. However, the first one I got a while ago because I was concerned about the coming collapse. I also have solar with backup batteries. They are quiet, especially when running a CPAP machine at night. I have rain tanks, but the swimming pool is the main water source. Preppers have been scorned for a while. Not so laughable now.

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« on: 23/03/2020 15:34:25 »

I keep saying your reading comprehension and your math needs some work.

The mortality rate is the number of deaths per infections, not total population.

The thing that matters is how many people die, not how many get infected.
The death rate will be about 1 or 2%.

However, you seem to be grasping very tightly to the straw that 1% isn't the same as 2 or even 4, while ignoring the actual point.
(You can tell it's the point, because it's actually on topic)
Even a 5% death rate does not reduce reduce the population much, of for long.
So, if it's God's solution to overpopulation, it's incompetent.
Why do you praise such a rubbishy God?

When one compares pathogens one looks at how many people who are infected will die. By how many in the world die, Ebola and MERS are not worth worrying about according to you.

Nonetheless your point is taken. How many people globally will die in the next year or so? And the next 5 to 10 years? A Great Die-Off will only happen if a great number of people, say about 50%, die.

The Die-Off is not an end to itself. The goal is a drastic change in human behavior to stop destroying the planet. If this change occurs very quickly then a rapid decline may not be necessary. However, even we all stopped consuming and lived very modestly it seems we would still be over-populated. A slow attrition with population control may then work.

Here is a message entitled Corona has its Advantages
- It has brought back humanity
- Brought people back to their Creator and their morals
- It has closed down bars, night clubs, brothel and casinos
- It has brought down interest rates
- Brought families together
- Stopped people eating dead and forbidden animals
- Moved one third of military expenditure to health care
- Arab countries have banned shisha
- It is pushing people to prayers
- It undermines dictators and their powers
- Humans are now worshiping God rather than progress and technology
- It is forcing authorities to look at their prisons and prisoners
- It has taught humans how to sneeze, yawn and cough
- It is making us stay at home and live simple lives

It is from an ex_MP in Egypt and ends:
We thank God for waking us up to reality and giving us an opportunity to ask Him for his Forgiveness and His help.