Quote from: Jolly2 on 04/04/2020 01:46:50

yet the scientific truth and religious truth

religion has truth?

Ofcourse, as does philosophy, or meta physics. Each truth has a system of logic that supports it.

Really do not want to get stuck as Sam Harris and Jordan Peterson did.

Inherently your question takes a stance.

Quote from: Jolly2 on 04/04/2020 01:46:50

2 pages effectively that discuss the creation of the world

2 pages that are are not entirely accurate

Quote from: Jolly2 on 04/04/2020 01:46:50

how we should live? how should we treat others? What is the nature of evil or sin?

well, i guess so. but if we based our moral choices on what is written in the bible well we would be acting as though they did in the spanish inquisition. id rather live my life actually by moral code rather than the moral(immoral) code of the bible

A total assumption. And an inaccurate one. The spainish inquisition were a tool of power seeking to impose its will over the rest. If anything the bible teaches the opposite.

"What is the the true fast? To break the chains and set the downtrodden free" Isaiah

Quote from: Jolly2 on 04/04/2020 01:46:50

The bible is concerned with human interaction, peace, justice, life.

While science can say how things are it will never tell you how to live save some dietary suggestions.

as above

Is nothing related

Quote from: Jolly2 on 04/04/2020 01:46:50

Again meaningless in this regard

well, i guess if one just uses the bible as a kind of moral storybook like the boy that cried wolf or 3 little pigs, then yes this is meaningless.
but so many people try to claim that the bible is so much more. some even make the claim that its accurate in some kind of real life sense.

Jordan Peterson does actually claim that the teaching of the bible about how a person should live match rather well to the psychological data on the same question.

Quote from: Jolly2 on 04/04/2020 01:46:50

Not at all, I highly recommend you listen to some of the lectures on the psychological significance of the biblical stories given by Jorden Peterson

pretty much as above

A non statement again. I don't see why you bother writing this it's pointless.

Quote from: Jolly2 on 04/04/2020 01:46:50

Again this a highly simplistic view of religion and faith.

care to enlighten on a more realistic view then?

Quote from: Jolly2 on 04/04/2020 01:46:50

And never will it because as I suggested before that is not what the bible is interested in.

true there are many parts that are stories of past events. there are historical things throughout it. and from all these stories we are supposed to derive some meaning to our lives.
but what about when the stories are just plain wrong. what meaning do we derive from that? the story, or the wrongness?

You are deciding what is and is not right or wrong. Bad stories can also teach.

Quote from: Jolly2 on 04/04/2020 01:46:50

Sadly the position  you hold is one many people do, a very condescending one that is also based more in ignorance then understanding.

please elaborate

Quote from: Jolly2 on 04/04/2020 01:46:50

The Noah story is the story where mankind becomes corrupt so God sends a flood. And there is a link drawn in this story to corruption and floods.
When new Orleans was flooded a few years back it happened because corrupt politicians for decades had stopped spending money on Levy defenses.

from a viewpoint of a moral wise story for humans to learn from (just like the boy that cried wolf) i agree with this.
but many people believe this actually happened.

So what? It's irrelevant really.

Quote from: Jolly2 on 04/04/2020 01:46:50

why wouldn't they

just like above, if one uses its stories in the same way they use little red riding hood then i see merit it that.
but to use it as a whole as some kind of 'encyclopedia' for all of lifes challenges is misleading and serves no purpose.

Completely disagree.

'Treat others as you wish to be treated yourself for that is the whole of the Torah'