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Just Chat! / Re: Is there a universal moral standard?

« on: Today at 14:31:27 »

Here is another plot twist I just thought of. You have inadvertently switched the track when you learn about the situation, so the train is heading toward one person. Will you switch it back to its original track, which will kill 5 people, instead of letting your mistake inadvertently kill 1?
In this scenario, both decisions involve you action. Hence there is no excuse of being a passive bystander.

Another variation of the plot twist. You didn't pull the lever inadvertently. You pulled it because you weren't aware of the one person on the second track.
When you become aware of that person, will you switch back to the original track, which will eventually kill 5 people?

hmmmm

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Just Chat! / Re: Is there a universal moral standard?

« on: Today at 14:29:52 »

Every variation would be murder or manslaughter and anyone who kills an innocent person is an idiot.

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Physiology & Medicine / Why do we get that dizzy feeling.

« on: Yesterday at 17:22:54 »

Hi all .


The question sounds easy but there are three parts to this question and it gets a bit more complicated as you work your way through the questions . I know the answer to question one, as many will, but it may be helpful for others if someone explains and then if you know, is a link with question two and  three  and if so ,why.

1. Why do we get dizzy normally .

2. Why do we get dizzy when we are are up high and look down over the edge.

3 why do we sometimes get dizzy when we watch someone like Fred DIbnah walk across a plank of wood hundreds of feet up on television without physically  being there. Well I do.

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Just Chat! / Re: Is there a universal moral standard?

« on: Yesterday at 14:53:22 »

so in reality no one except  would pull the lever and as I said previously fate would win

Except who?
Real life experiment in the mindfield video shows that some people are really willing and capable of pulling the lever.
Fate is determined after the fact. So, it's not surprising that it always win. It's a circular logic.

An idiot

You're redefining word. Most people in many surveys said they would pull the lever to save 5 people and sacrifice 1. Many of the surveys participants are college students, which must have passed some preliminary cognitive tests.
You can accuse others who disagree with you of being idiot. But if the evidences are against you, you are putting your own credential in jeopardy.

No I just live in the real world

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Just Chat! / Re: Is there a universal moral standard?

« on: 27/02/2021 13:36:08 »

so in reality no one except  would pull the lever and as I said previously fate would win

Except who?
Real life experiment in the mindfield video shows that some people are really willing and capable of pulling the lever.
Fate is determined after the fact. So, it's not surprising that it always win. It's a circular logic.

An idiot

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Just Chat! / Re: Is there a universal moral standard?

« on: 27/02/2021 01:01:31 »

Here the math shows that you should pull the lever.

However even if you were correct and the Math  (or should that be Maths ,mathematics or even arithmetic )  shows that you should pull the lever . Pulling the lever would of course cause the death of an innocent party  which would be either murder or manslaughter ,so in reality no one except  an idiot would pull the lever and as I said previously fate would win .

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Physics, Astronomy & Cosmology / Re: Could there be life on other planets?

« on: 25/02/2021 14:57:10 »

Could there be life on other planets.

If you go by earths example then shouldnt the anwser be,unlikely.

The earth has been around for about 5 billion years, and yet life has only started here once, as all life on earth is related.

once in 5 billion years would mean life must be so hard to start in the first instance that maybe life on earth is just a fluke[]

There are also many other factors that have got be taken into account which has aided life and complex life on our planet to survive.

Like our position in our galaxy,our type and size of our sun and the fact that its not a binary. Jupiter handy for removing the odd comet that comes our way. the moon. the tilt of our planet very handy that. the size of our planet and its position in our solar system ,it's molten core , magnetisphere. oxygen nitrogen mix. the list could go on for ever.

May be our planet is unique and the life on it is unique. is it so unlikley that we are alone,could we be the first.[]

Michael                                     

I assume that threr is a possibility that some sorts of life can exists on Mars. To be more accurate, scientists found frozen water on Mars.There is a possibility that we can find in that ice some sorts of life that existed on the red planet billions years ago.

Yes it’s possible .

In my original post I said maybe life is so hard to start that it occurring on earth was a fluke . The logical answer to that is even if it was a fluke of nature it happening in the first instance allows for the right conditions to occur again.

 But it’s also possible that the conditions required are so unique (as we only have one example of it ever happening in over 3 billion years ) that a second occasion hasn’t occurred yet and this planet is still the only place in the universe with life .

Think about a 3 billion year plus experiment  that only returns evidence of one positive result .

To ignore the possibility that the earth is currently the only place in the universe with life which most seem to do isn’t very scientific when you consider the evidence ,or should I say the lack of evidence we have so far .


Ps, I’m not a fan of the quoting system we use on the forum.

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Just Chat! / Re: Is there a universal moral standard?

« on: 25/02/2021 14:30:39 »

I look before I cross the road but not  all situations require actions and those that don’t are often determined by fate.

Can  you draw a line between "leaving it to fate" and criminal negligence, in the particular case in question?

in a real world example I would certainly perform an action which would hopefully  preserve life rather than leave something to fate but in  the case in question as is a kind of dumb question it’s impossible to find a position as to where the line should be drawn

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Just Chat! / Re: Member type

« on: 25/02/2021 01:59:13 »

Karen still pops in now and then.

As a sort of noob, I've not ever seen the others.
And yes, I noticed the lighter tone of the old days, especially when sheep are involved.

Don’t mention sheep ,it makes Neil go all weak all at the knees.

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Just Chat! / Re: Member type

« on: 25/02/2021 01:57:52 »

Hello from god level newbie

Hello and welcome to the forum

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Guest Book / Re: Thank You Very Much!

« on: 24/02/2021 22:23:31 »

Weird ,I have no adds . Maybe I'm special .

Doesn't everyone here think you're "special". 

Yes , and i even have my own special language that allows me to spell ads as adds

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Guest Book / Re: Thank You Very Much!

« on: 24/02/2021 22:15:43 »

Weird ,I have no adds . Maybe I'm special .

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Just Chat! / Re: Is there a universal moral standard?

« on: 24/02/2021 20:34:49 »

Do you let fate determine everything in your life, or do you look before you cross the road?

Yes I look before I cross the road but not  all situations require actions and those that don’t are often determined by fate.

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Physics, Astronomy & Cosmology / Re: Could there be life on other planets?

« on: 24/02/2021 19:08:53 »

@Kryptid
Thanks for being so prompt & answering to the point...
👍
Precision & Clarity Appreciated!
🙏

Now to take this further, step by step...


3) Could there have been a Different anaerobic or silicon based or Entirely Different branch of Animate Life evolving parallely besides US during the first billion years which probably had No DNA/RNA specifics..could there be a possibility that happened..say a 00.00001% chance of MayBe that happened, but We do Not have any documented proofs for the same?

Anyone???
✌️

it’s possible just like somewhere in the universe there is a planet called Traal which is inhabited by Ravenous Bugblatter Beasts.. 

I’m not making fun of your question because in theory just like there being a silicon based life form the above is possible and there is such a planet with such beasts but would you argue there was without any evidence .

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Physics, Astronomy & Cosmology / Re: Could there be life on other planets?

« on: 24/02/2021 15:19:58 »

- But we know meteorites have traveled between Earth and Mars, so they are not entirely independent.

That's a good point.  Even if Martian rock-samples showed evidence of life, it might be argued that the life originated on Earth.  And was merely transferred to Mars by ancient meteorites which collided with Earth, and blasted bits of life-bearing Earth rocks to Mars.

As far as I’m aware the Martian rock only showed  signs of something that may have been life. So far it has never been determined if life has ever existed on Mars.

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Just Chat! / Re: Is there a universal moral standard?

« on: 24/02/2021 15:11:35 »

Then I would pull the lever, as a bear etc is not a human being and has less worth and they don’t have families that would morn their death to the level of of a person or be financially impacted by the loss.

Would you still pull the lever if it's a dying old man whose life expectancy is just a few hours? or a few days? or months?
What's the reasoning?

No he is a human being and has a right to live even if it’s only hours so I would let fate determine which way the train went.

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Just Chat! / Re: Member type

« on: 24/02/2021 15:04:10 »

Hi Chaps . I plan to be around a bit more and have been popping in occasionally over the last three months . Previously my job took over as  promotion and money tends  to reduce how much spare time you get. Yes I’ve seen how Chris has become a bit of a Tv star and  will soon been rivalling Americas Dr Fauci in the Television fame stakes . It’s nice to see some of the old crew are still around also as we use to have fun back in the days. Is Daveshorts ,Jim Bob and Karen still around .

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Just Chat! / Re: Is there a universal moral standard?

« on: 22/02/2021 20:33:25 »

a bear etc is not a human being and has less worth and they don’t have families that would morn their death to the level of of a person or be financially impacted by the loss.

which shows your ignorance of other species, and the utter stupidity and fragility of most humans. Neither of which is a particularly sound foundation for a scientific argument.

I'm not ignorant of other species I just know what has more worth .

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Physics, Astronomy & Cosmology / Re: Why don’t we use Mars as a life experiment.

« on: 22/02/2021 15:37:47 »

Life needs more than just an environment.   It needs other life forms to survive.  It's like a network.  Life exchanges resources back and forth.

Not quite correct

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Just Chat! / Re: Member type

« on: 22/02/2021 15:21:05 »

Yes ,it was a bit of fun which was why back in the day we created just chat.