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**New Theories / Re: How gravity works in spiral galaxy?**

« **on:**24/08/2019 06:22:18 »

With regards to the Tidal VS Lorentz force

Let's start with a BH:

https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/89983/how-many-of-which-particles-are-in-hawking-radiation

"The black body radiation (semiclassical form) description of Hawking radiation is realistic for the low temperatures of black holes acting as black bodies, because the energy needed to create a detectable particle from the vacuum fluctuation framework is large, 1 MeV for e+and e- , one of them falling back."

So, If I understand it correctly, they have calculated the requested energy that is needed to create those charged particles, extract the requested mass (or gravity) and then verify if the BH will can set the radiation.

So, if we will try to work with the same formulas of energy/gravity at SMBH, we can easily find that SMBH can also create those kinds of particles (at the relevant radius/energy). However, due to it's massive size, those particles would not be ejected and therefore, there will be no radiation. That is very clear to me.

However, in all of those articles, I couldn't find even one word about magnetism.

So, they have totally ignored the great impact of Lorenz force.

That was a severe mistake.

If our scientists will add the impact of the Lorentz force (especially at the SMBH) they should find how easy it is for the SMBH to eject those new born positive charged particles as a BH can do without the need for Lorentz force.

Therefore, the following statement is fully correct:

Never the less, once we add Lorentz force, we should find that it can easily extract the radiation of the Positive charged particles from the SMBH.

The fatal flaw in your calculations is that you are considering the overall gravitational force, not the tidal force. Redo the calculations, but for tidal forces, and you'll be on the right track.We have already agreed that Lorentz force under the magnetic field can do that job. Therefore, there is no need for tidal.

The Lorentz force would be there, but it wouldn't be "positive goes out and negative goes in". The Lorentz force would deflect the path of particles at a right angle to the field lines (assuming that they were already on a path perpendicular to the field lines. If they are parallel to the field lines, there is no force).Therefore, the only open question is about the feasibility of a SMBH to create new pair of charged particles as a BH can do.

Let's start with a BH:

Yes. I don't know what it is off the top of my head, but the calculations have already been done by physicists (Don N. Page, for example). I do know that, according to those calculations, a black hole with a mass much larger than 1014 kilograms (about one-tenth the mass of Mar's satellite Deimos) doesn't produce electron-positron pairs.However, in all the articles that you have offered they specifically focus on the black body radiation:

https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/89983/how-many-of-which-particles-are-in-hawking-radiation

"The black body radiation (semiclassical form) description of Hawking radiation is realistic for the low temperatures of black holes acting as black bodies, because the energy needed to create a detectable particle from the vacuum fluctuation framework is large, 1 MeV for e+and e- , one of them falling back."

So, If I understand it correctly, they have calculated the requested energy that is needed to create those charged particles, extract the requested mass (or gravity) and then verify if the BH will can set the radiation.

So, if we will try to work with the same formulas of energy/gravity at SMBH, we can easily find that SMBH can also create those kinds of particles (at the relevant radius/energy). However, due to it's massive size, those particles would not be ejected and therefore, there will be no radiation. That is very clear to me.

However, in all of those articles, I couldn't find even one word about magnetism.

So, they have totally ignored the great impact of Lorenz force.

That was a severe mistake.

If our scientists will add the impact of the Lorentz force (especially at the SMBH) they should find how easy it is for the SMBH to eject those new born positive charged particles as a BH can do without the need for Lorentz force.

Therefore, the following statement is fully correct:

Super-massive black holes are many, many orders of magnitude more massive than that. So you don't get charged particles from them.However, it is correct as long as we ignore the magnetism and Lorentz force.

Never the less, once we add Lorentz force, we should find that it can easily extract the radiation of the Positive charged particles from the SMBH.