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New Theories / Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« on: 06/12/2009 00:54:32 »
Greg44 - I totally relate to your description of your muscles.
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New Theories / Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« on: 05/12/2009 17:35:40 »Daveyboy,
[I didn't know that it had a name, Paruresis.
Hey!,
since we're listing embarrassing problems we've all got/had, here's an interesting one.
for all the years ive had pois, since teenager, i've also had something known as 'ppp's - perily penile papules'. They are little white spots on the head on the penis, under the foreskin, on the sort of back edge (feel free to google it!). luckily they have never been that bad but still something that lingers on the mind. To my surprise, i know now, they are linked with the pois because they have dramatically reduced in recent months during my recovery period, virtually unnoticable now.
Just curious!
Another thing also, my penis, although totally straight once totally erect and never crooked, when in the process of getting arused or going back down, in the past would 'want' to lean, sometimes quite forceably, towards one side- towards the tight/operation side of my body- this too is correcting itself (believe it or not)! It doesnt do this anymore, now I have finally released the muscles/nerves on the tight side of body causing the pois, it has straightened things there too!
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New Theories / Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« on: 05/12/2009 15:57:42 »
I have always said the NHS is great if you fall out of a tree or something but inept when it comes to dealing with chronic issues.
But to answer the question fully; i'd rather have an alexander session in the emergency room than take a batch of drugs for being ill (of course unlikely). this would give me more easier breathing, more bloodflow to the head, more natural movement to my neck, waking of my senses and sineses etc. etc
last year if had a migraine, i got it instantly sorted via an alexander lesson, as drugs never seemed to work at all. drugs never get to the true cause, at best they only temporarily dampen the symptoms, for me dont seem to even do that.
Contrary to popular belief, people dont get randomly ill anyway, it takes years and years of bad use, which they havent properly dealt with because they are probably unaware of it, most likely unaware how to.
But to answer the question fully; i'd rather have an alexander session in the emergency room than take a batch of drugs for being ill (of course unlikely). this would give me more easier breathing, more bloodflow to the head, more natural movement to my neck, waking of my senses and sineses etc. etc
last year if had a migraine, i got it instantly sorted via an alexander lesson, as drugs never seemed to work at all. drugs never get to the true cause, at best they only temporarily dampen the symptoms, for me dont seem to even do that.
Contrary to popular belief, people dont get randomly ill anyway, it takes years and years of bad use, which they havent properly dealt with because they are probably unaware of it, most likely unaware how to.
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New Theories / Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« on: 05/12/2009 02:03:59 »
(Sort of) Random question:
Does any one suffer from Paruresis? This is a term for 'Shy Bladder Syndrome', which basically means not being able to going at the urinals and need the cubicle. (in really severe cases Ive heard of people not being able to go at all in public toilets).
This is the other problem I have had, along with ED,
All are tension-based problems in the 'urology department'.
During a POIS spell I wouldnt dream of any trying to go at the urinal because it feels tight and I'll know I'll have no control. It wont come out unless Im more relaxed in the cubicle!
Nowadays during a non-pois spell im fine (with ED too).
Does any one suffer from Paruresis? This is a term for 'Shy Bladder Syndrome', which basically means not being able to going at the urinals and need the cubicle. (in really severe cases Ive heard of people not being able to go at all in public toilets).
This is the other problem I have had, along with ED,
All are tension-based problems in the 'urology department'.
During a POIS spell I wouldnt dream of any trying to go at the urinal because it feels tight and I'll know I'll have no control. It wont come out unless Im more relaxed in the cubicle!
Nowadays during a non-pois spell im fine (with ED too).
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New Theories / Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« on: 04/12/2009 15:10:41 »
I appologise about the 'wild goose chase' comment & if it sounded too negative.
It is not my intention to deter people searching for adequate drugs (hence 'try all the pills, try all the therapies comment!)
It was more a reaction against my disappointment that in the pages I have read so far in this thread (although as yet nowhere near all 266 pages), I havent read about anyone experimenting and investigating the many excellent therapies out there.
I, personally, have lost faith in western medicine, but I guess faith in anything can change either way very quickly.
A combination of "Patience", Reflexology and Alexander Technique was my winning formula.
Remove any 1 of the 3 and it makes it more difficult.
Every week, I was having reflexology on Tuesdays and Alexander Technique on Fridays.
I decided to move back to my parents to be able to afford it so I didnt even need to get a saturday job. I thought forget the money, this is working- and much, much more important. I do regret ignoring and dismissing reflexology for so long however.
It is not my intention to deter people searching for adequate drugs (hence 'try all the pills, try all the therapies comment!)
It was more a reaction against my disappointment that in the pages I have read so far in this thread (although as yet nowhere near all 266 pages), I havent read about anyone experimenting and investigating the many excellent therapies out there.
I, personally, have lost faith in western medicine, but I guess faith in anything can change either way very quickly.
A combination of "Patience", Reflexology and Alexander Technique was my winning formula.
Remove any 1 of the 3 and it makes it more difficult.
Every week, I was having reflexology on Tuesdays and Alexander Technique on Fridays.
I decided to move back to my parents to be able to afford it so I didnt even need to get a saturday job. I thought forget the money, this is working- and much, much more important. I do regret ignoring and dismissing reflexology for so long however.
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New Theories / Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« on: 03/12/2009 15:15:42 »
Thanks for the nice welcome,
will defintely do all the surveys and check out all the websites.
wow, what demografx and pablo said about childhood operations shook me.
It could be nothing but keep it on your mind. You say you cant notice any fear, i wouldnt expect any instant observations like that, it takes alot of self-study.
+ It would be a miracle if you got the 'answer' through via one forum entry!
Yeah, Feldenkrais is meant to be good- similiar to Alexander Technique I believe, dont give up on it, check out some different Alexander Technique teachers too. What I have found is that although it is well regulated some werent 'good' enough to release my body fully when I was going through a bad pois spell.
I have tried so many different therapies, because although alexander technique is great, i found it slow when dealing with my orgasm problem.
I tried Acupuncture (mixed feelings on it), Biofeedback (good to see my ill health recorded on a 3D man/computer screen but not much good to solve the problem imao), Bowen Technique, Active Release Therapy (wouldnt recommend it), Yoga, Pilates (ouch!), MRI (waste of money), physio (not good), chiropracters (like physio not my bag).
None of them, in my opinion, compared to Alexander Technique (A.T) though. But as I said before- try everything all pills, try all therapies!
What I realised whatever therapy you do, its how it gets to root psychological problem which will do it. Now I'll try and explain that in more detail because I know its a tricky subject.
What really surprised me after many A.T lessons was how the mind does interlink with the muscles/body. I used to think that 'mind/body connection that women go on about' a load of old crap but it is so true.
A.T is brilliant at enabling you to detect very very slight changes in muscular tightness. After many lessons you get to realise its actually our thoughts that are causing the problems. If even you dont have any major breakthroughs after lesson you do get more and more movement/relaxed body, it feels real good, you do constantly improve.
I believe that you've got accept that its our thoughts/memories/fears that is causing this orgasm health problem (google 'Wilhelm Reich orgasm reflex' too)... and THAT is the way out of this mess.
If you start analysing your body, in the sense, try and constantly think 'what makes me flinch?', 'What makes me hold myself?'. Its possible (with A.T anyway) that you may get a feeling what thoughts/feelings tightens you. Then you think of the same feeling again that tightened you, BUT this time you try not to tighten and remain relaxed. The chances are you will for a split second not tighten, then you tighten again as normal. But it is in that split second of refusing not to tighten that a muscular release occurs. Over time the thought/s become easier and easier to relax 'through'. Once you start relaxing/breathing/moving 'through' these fears/feelings your body will become so much more healthier and posture improves. An orgasm, as we know, is very punishing if tightness is occuring.
Now all of this will be meaningless without A.T lessons.
BUT read this all again after several lessons of A.T.
For me, I realised the childhood operation was the root problem. I noticed I tightened alot when thinking of the operation & when thinking about my left testicle. A.T gave me higher 'sensory preception' that could sense 'the cold-like' strip of muscle that was too tight was linked to that memory. So then I had to face-up and start letting go and these fears. It involved simply thinking of my testicle without flinching/holding. To begin with it was impossible. Then I kept trying, slowly I could think of it for say 1/4 second without flinching, a muscular release would occur, and so on and so on until no fear is there.
By doing this, it dramatically changed my posture/orgasms/health.
I came up with this 'tapping test' type thing. This is NOT the alexander technique though. I would lie on the floor and imagine a doctor or someone randomly proding my body, in random spots. I noticed simply the thought of where he might go tightened me up in certain ways. I realised this is totally irrational and all related to my 'fear of pain' around my testicle. Again, over time, I would learn to allow this imaginery person to prod wherever with no tensing.
Once I was in the office and this secretary went to 'jab' me in the ribs, I noticed I flinched and jumped like crazy. Again, it all relates to the fear of pain imbedded in my mind since childhood.
Over time, I then (at home!) started tapping my testicle in (a non sexual way) an attempt to stop the flinching around my body. To start with impossible-I held my shoulders, hips tight etc. but, now months later, very easy, no fear, no tightness, no zaps of pains. I wouldnt recommend doing this too much of this because it does tighten you up temporarily and can, lead to being turned-on etc.
Unbelievably, when read in Mantaks Chia's Multiple Orgasmic Man this tapping testicle technique is a way of his to learn to be multi-orgasmic.
(Also I would add, I wouldnt recommend trying the technique described in this book until ALOT of A.T.
It does say you must learn 'an internal art first')
The other therapy I would recommend is Reflexology, but prehaps after you've already gor some idea of what A.T is about.
In a way, it is the same as Chia's tapping idea.
The language they use is a bit wishy washy but it does work and they are right what they say in relation to the area that wrong with you.
The thing about reflexology I found it tended to (temporarily) tightened me up- almost like a mini pois. However the next day recovery felt better and more easier to do my alexander technique releasing.
What I found it kind of exposes to all your fears. Its raw, right on the nerves & its very intense to begin with, but gets easier.
You could do what I would call the reflexology test. Just go for one session. Notice how much tensing and fear is held during the session. relate it to the kind of thoughts that maybe tightening you up during everyday life. reflexology does speed up the Alexander technique learning process, for me anyway.
What I would say that you will probably after lots of any therapy attempt to have an orgasm to see if the pois has gone.
from my experience The golden rule I came up with is:
If you 'wondering' if the POIS is still there,then it IS still there.
It will only be gone when YOU KNOW its gone- you will be in control of it, completely, this takes time, patience, you will get frustrated, but stick to whatever you know is working.
To attempt to use the alexander technique (on your own i mean) during a heavy pois episode is difficult because its kind of too late by then, all of thoses contractions have already happened, its got to be before and during an orgasm when you stay 'balanced' - it does get easier and easier, it will all come together once the visualisations of the 'difficult' parts of your body become easier to visualise and stay 'free/relaxed' through it.
Demo, mate, I cant answer that testicles going up thing, except that they should both be relaxed and 'feel' like they are hanging loose, so to speak. Both should act the same.
One more thing, its a good chance no-one will relate to any of this entry at all. Everybody will go through their own journey to recovery. Accept the fact you may need to spend some money to solve it. + Dont get obsessed with testicles! That was my problem, yours will be different.
But I would say, recovery is definitely possible for EVERYBODY.
If I can do it, anyone can.
will defintely do all the surveys and check out all the websites.
wow, what demografx and pablo said about childhood operations shook me.
It could be nothing but keep it on your mind. You say you cant notice any fear, i wouldnt expect any instant observations like that, it takes alot of self-study.
+ It would be a miracle if you got the 'answer' through via one forum entry!
Yeah, Feldenkrais is meant to be good- similiar to Alexander Technique I believe, dont give up on it, check out some different Alexander Technique teachers too. What I have found is that although it is well regulated some werent 'good' enough to release my body fully when I was going through a bad pois spell.
I have tried so many different therapies, because although alexander technique is great, i found it slow when dealing with my orgasm problem.
I tried Acupuncture (mixed feelings on it), Biofeedback (good to see my ill health recorded on a 3D man/computer screen but not much good to solve the problem imao), Bowen Technique, Active Release Therapy (wouldnt recommend it), Yoga, Pilates (ouch!), MRI (waste of money), physio (not good), chiropracters (like physio not my bag).
None of them, in my opinion, compared to Alexander Technique (A.T) though. But as I said before- try everything all pills, try all therapies!
What I realised whatever therapy you do, its how it gets to root psychological problem which will do it. Now I'll try and explain that in more detail because I know its a tricky subject.
What really surprised me after many A.T lessons was how the mind does interlink with the muscles/body. I used to think that 'mind/body connection that women go on about' a load of old crap but it is so true.
A.T is brilliant at enabling you to detect very very slight changes in muscular tightness. After many lessons you get to realise its actually our thoughts that are causing the problems. If even you dont have any major breakthroughs after lesson you do get more and more movement/relaxed body, it feels real good, you do constantly improve.
I believe that you've got accept that its our thoughts/memories/fears that is causing this orgasm health problem (google 'Wilhelm Reich orgasm reflex' too)... and THAT is the way out of this mess.
If you start analysing your body, in the sense, try and constantly think 'what makes me flinch?', 'What makes me hold myself?'. Its possible (with A.T anyway) that you may get a feeling what thoughts/feelings tightens you. Then you think of the same feeling again that tightened you, BUT this time you try not to tighten and remain relaxed. The chances are you will for a split second not tighten, then you tighten again as normal. But it is in that split second of refusing not to tighten that a muscular release occurs. Over time the thought/s become easier and easier to relax 'through'. Once you start relaxing/breathing/moving 'through' these fears/feelings your body will become so much more healthier and posture improves. An orgasm, as we know, is very punishing if tightness is occuring.
Now all of this will be meaningless without A.T lessons.
BUT read this all again after several lessons of A.T.
For me, I realised the childhood operation was the root problem. I noticed I tightened alot when thinking of the operation & when thinking about my left testicle. A.T gave me higher 'sensory preception' that could sense 'the cold-like' strip of muscle that was too tight was linked to that memory. So then I had to face-up and start letting go and these fears. It involved simply thinking of my testicle without flinching/holding. To begin with it was impossible. Then I kept trying, slowly I could think of it for say 1/4 second without flinching, a muscular release would occur, and so on and so on until no fear is there.
By doing this, it dramatically changed my posture/orgasms/health.
I came up with this 'tapping test' type thing. This is NOT the alexander technique though. I would lie on the floor and imagine a doctor or someone randomly proding my body, in random spots. I noticed simply the thought of where he might go tightened me up in certain ways. I realised this is totally irrational and all related to my 'fear of pain' around my testicle. Again, over time, I would learn to allow this imaginery person to prod wherever with no tensing.
Once I was in the office and this secretary went to 'jab' me in the ribs, I noticed I flinched and jumped like crazy. Again, it all relates to the fear of pain imbedded in my mind since childhood.
Over time, I then (at home!) started tapping my testicle in (a non sexual way) an attempt to stop the flinching around my body. To start with impossible-I held my shoulders, hips tight etc. but, now months later, very easy, no fear, no tightness, no zaps of pains. I wouldnt recommend doing this too much of this because it does tighten you up temporarily and can, lead to being turned-on etc.
Unbelievably, when read in Mantaks Chia's Multiple Orgasmic Man this tapping testicle technique is a way of his to learn to be multi-orgasmic.
(Also I would add, I wouldnt recommend trying the technique described in this book until ALOT of A.T.
It does say you must learn 'an internal art first')
The other therapy I would recommend is Reflexology, but prehaps after you've already gor some idea of what A.T is about.
In a way, it is the same as Chia's tapping idea.
The language they use is a bit wishy washy but it does work and they are right what they say in relation to the area that wrong with you.
The thing about reflexology I found it tended to (temporarily) tightened me up- almost like a mini pois. However the next day recovery felt better and more easier to do my alexander technique releasing.
What I found it kind of exposes to all your fears. Its raw, right on the nerves & its very intense to begin with, but gets easier.
You could do what I would call the reflexology test. Just go for one session. Notice how much tensing and fear is held during the session. relate it to the kind of thoughts that maybe tightening you up during everyday life. reflexology does speed up the Alexander technique learning process, for me anyway.
What I would say that you will probably after lots of any therapy attempt to have an orgasm to see if the pois has gone.
from my experience The golden rule I came up with is:
If you 'wondering' if the POIS is still there,then it IS still there.
It will only be gone when YOU KNOW its gone- you will be in control of it, completely, this takes time, patience, you will get frustrated, but stick to whatever you know is working.
To attempt to use the alexander technique (on your own i mean) during a heavy pois episode is difficult because its kind of too late by then, all of thoses contractions have already happened, its got to be before and during an orgasm when you stay 'balanced' - it does get easier and easier, it will all come together once the visualisations of the 'difficult' parts of your body become easier to visualise and stay 'free/relaxed' through it.
Demo, mate, I cant answer that testicles going up thing, except that they should both be relaxed and 'feel' like they are hanging loose, so to speak. Both should act the same.
One more thing, its a good chance no-one will relate to any of this entry at all. Everybody will go through their own journey to recovery. Accept the fact you may need to spend some money to solve it. + Dont get obsessed with testicles! That was my problem, yours will be different.
But I would say, recovery is definitely possible for EVERYBODY.
If I can do it, anyone can.
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New Theories / Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« on: 02/12/2009 15:02:12 »
yeah, but Alexander Technique definitely isnt a massage. I describe it as the physio Ive always dreamt about. Its an postural re-education technique which is great for instant relief during an pois episode AND a long term solution.
Ive gone from 2-3 days of post orgasm hell,
to a few hours recovery, with very mild discomfort-
it's something I am now, finally, in control over.
and as things continue to get better too, I feel in 2010 I will use the 'cured' word-but I'll keep you posted on that one!
Learning the Alexander Technique has been the most rewarding thing Ive ever got into.
I strongly recommend everybody on this thread dedicate themselves in becoming an expert in the Alexander Technique. It will change your life.
I fear that most on this thread are on a wild goose chase to find the magic cure-all pill or combination to solve their pois.
Unfortunately, there will never be a pill that can stop long term bad muscular habits. However, I still say try everything- pills, therapies, never stop the search to change, find out as much as you can about your bodies & if you're going to look into the Alexander Technique book 2/3 different teachers to find the best one.
all the best,
daveyboy
Ive gone from 2-3 days of post orgasm hell,
to a few hours recovery, with very mild discomfort-
it's something I am now, finally, in control over.
and as things continue to get better too, I feel in 2010 I will use the 'cured' word-but I'll keep you posted on that one!
Learning the Alexander Technique has been the most rewarding thing Ive ever got into.
I strongly recommend everybody on this thread dedicate themselves in becoming an expert in the Alexander Technique. It will change your life.
I fear that most on this thread are on a wild goose chase to find the magic cure-all pill or combination to solve their pois.
Unfortunately, there will never be a pill that can stop long term bad muscular habits. However, I still say try everything- pills, therapies, never stop the search to change, find out as much as you can about your bodies & if you're going to look into the Alexander Technique book 2/3 different teachers to find the best one.
all the best,
daveyboy
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New Theories / Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« on: 01/12/2009 23:26:50 »
Hi everyone,
im 30 & suffered from pois since my teens - all the familar symptons.
I have never gone down the drugs route but have had some success with the Alexander Technique. I've going for about 2 years and it HASNT cured it but things just keep getting better and better.
Alexander Technique definitely alleviates pois symptoms.
Its not massage or physio -its pretty unique really, all the instant effects are the opposite of pois symptoms, costs about £30 a go.
it releases your neck/ muscles/nervous system. I would try a couple of different people first, they're some better than others, then if you like carry on.
After about 4 months of going to Alexander technique (and some reflexology too), I managed to figure out the root psychological reason for my problems. When I was a child I had to have an undescended testicle lowered. Obviously at the time the raw pain went away but, unknown to me for all thoses years, the 'fear of pain' never went away. I was subconciously 'gripping', holding and flinching all thoses muscles around that area. Sort of over-protecting myself. This had a long time effect on my posture and muscle strength/health. I was always uneasy when in bed with a girl, esp when she went to touch them. (effecting sexual performance too). I would even wince a bit when i touched them, not that i would anyway. fear of any zap of pain. Unbelievably looking back, I though it was normal! Its definitely not normal, theres no reason why I should tense up at ALL like that. As I was tight, when I had an orgasm all of thoses muscles contractions would send my body 'skew-riff' for a few days causing pois symptoms.
I realise I had to learn to relax- to release those muscles.
Its taken a long time, its hasnt been easy for me emotional facing that fear, & changing my longterm postural habits, but the difference its made my life is marvelous, effecting happiness, posture, muscles and sexual performance. It is my opinion that you only need very little bit of flinching during an orgasm to cause pois type symptons.
I read Mantak Chia 'Multiple orgasmic man' book. to be honest even when theres no ejaculation there still will be some tightness if your muscles arent released(obviously not as much as when you ejaculate), which is why i think about the alexander technique more.
Also read about what Wilhelm Reich said about childhood hangups, orgasms and muscle rigidity. google 'orgasm reflex'
Thanks for listening. I would be very, very interested if anyone out there can relate to my testicle/fear of pain problem
can everyone out there totally relax when someone is about to touch your testicles lol
Cheers
dave
im 30 & suffered from pois since my teens - all the familar symptons.
I have never gone down the drugs route but have had some success with the Alexander Technique. I've going for about 2 years and it HASNT cured it but things just keep getting better and better.
Alexander Technique definitely alleviates pois symptoms.
Its not massage or physio -its pretty unique really, all the instant effects are the opposite of pois symptoms, costs about £30 a go.
it releases your neck/ muscles/nervous system. I would try a couple of different people first, they're some better than others, then if you like carry on.
After about 4 months of going to Alexander technique (and some reflexology too), I managed to figure out the root psychological reason for my problems. When I was a child I had to have an undescended testicle lowered. Obviously at the time the raw pain went away but, unknown to me for all thoses years, the 'fear of pain' never went away. I was subconciously 'gripping', holding and flinching all thoses muscles around that area. Sort of over-protecting myself. This had a long time effect on my posture and muscle strength/health. I was always uneasy when in bed with a girl, esp when she went to touch them. (effecting sexual performance too). I would even wince a bit when i touched them, not that i would anyway. fear of any zap of pain. Unbelievably looking back, I though it was normal! Its definitely not normal, theres no reason why I should tense up at ALL like that. As I was tight, when I had an orgasm all of thoses muscles contractions would send my body 'skew-riff' for a few days causing pois symptoms.
I realise I had to learn to relax- to release those muscles.
Its taken a long time, its hasnt been easy for me emotional facing that fear, & changing my longterm postural habits, but the difference its made my life is marvelous, effecting happiness, posture, muscles and sexual performance. It is my opinion that you only need very little bit of flinching during an orgasm to cause pois type symptons.
I read Mantak Chia 'Multiple orgasmic man' book. to be honest even when theres no ejaculation there still will be some tightness if your muscles arent released(obviously not as much as when you ejaculate), which is why i think about the alexander technique more.
Also read about what Wilhelm Reich said about childhood hangups, orgasms and muscle rigidity. google 'orgasm reflex'
Thanks for listening. I would be very, very interested if anyone out there can relate to my testicle/fear of pain problem
can everyone out there totally relax when someone is about to touch your testicles lol
Cheers
dave