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General Science / Re: Is science replacing religion?
« on: 09/10/2016 17:28:07 »
Quote from: evan_au on 09/10/2016 10:29:03
Quote from: Semaphore
we're just one stage removed from animals and we're still trying to throw off our bestial nature.
I agree - most human problems are internal, at their basis.

"democracy and human rights and justice and equality" generally change our outward environment.

Some of these things can help reduce inequality, which it has done in Nordic countries; but not nearly as much in the USA, for example.

They don't address the inner cause of most of our problems.

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We've invented ... science and a host of other things that make us more civilised
The real explosion since Galileo has been in the "hard" sciences - physics, astronomy, chemistry, geology, medicine, imaging, mechanical, civil, electrical and aerospace engineering, etc. This has been assisted (and enabled, in many cases) by rapid developments in computing.

Medicine has helped us live longer, and less troubled by pain.

The most successful medical advance has been plumbing, which became fairly effective in the Roman era, and even more effective with the application of the steam engine. This has done more to help human health than most medical endeavours, but it's hardly modern.

But none of these really address the inner beast.

For these you must look to the "soft" sciences - psychology, sociology, economics, etc.

For Psychology, we are still very much in the infancy phase, with theories in the last century driven mainly by guesses and hypotheses, with little objective information until the development of Functional MRI - and it's still a fairly coarse tool, unable to resolve volumes smaller than millions of neurones, or timescales faster than a second.

We still have the problem that even today, most experimentally verified psychology is actually based on a study of first year university students. They are forced to participate to pass their course. This has resulted in psychology becoming a WEIRD science - it is very much the study of Western, Educated, and from Industrialized, Rich, and Democratic countries. This is hardly representative of the human population.

Economics is still very much a black art. Everyone hangs on every word from the US Reserve about their guesses this month. And economists try to predict the reactions of other people who have also studied economics - a situation very likely to produce chaotic behaviour!

But most of our problems are still driven by human greed. It is said that if you want to find the cause of something, follow the money. Certainly large amounts of advertising money have managed to stall any progress on major scientific findings in several important cases.

So it's not surprising that it was a religious figure who commented that "the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil".

Nice post.

One of the problems with economics is that human behaviour has an unfortunate habit of interfering with the best laid plans. Look at Brexit, who anticipated that result? Markets depend on people being rational which they're not.

To greed I'd add power - maybe they're two sides of the same coin. Just look at the 2-dimensional people who run for public office.

I love your last sentence. How much is the Vatican worth? How much wealth did the monasteries accumulate? The religions lust for power and money just like the sinners they condemn.

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General Science / Re: Is science replacing religion?
« on: 08/10/2016 21:47:14 »
I think your analogy is very apt. Religion is very well adapted and very dangerous to people.

Look, we're just one stage removed from animals and we're still trying to throw off our bestial nature. We've invented democracy and human rights and justice and equality and science and a host of other things that make us more civilised. The last thing we need is a primitive throwback like religion to keep us chained in the old ways. It's already dying out in Europe and more slowly in the States, and if there was a way to prevent the indoctrination of children it would die out very quickly.

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General Science / Re: Is science replacing religion?
« on: 08/10/2016 20:08:14 »
Sharks kill people.....

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General Science / Re: Is science replacing religion?
« on: 08/10/2016 17:04:35 »
Quote from: Bill S on 08/10/2016 15:45:29
There is much in this thread that I read and think: “If only that were true, the world would be a much better place.”  It’s very easy to contrast good science with bad religion, or bad science with good religion.  We probably all do it at times, just to make our favourite points.

Perhaps it is nearer to reality to reason that there is no such thing as good or bad religion, or good or bad science; only good or bad people using both for their own purposes.

Take this thought a little further, though, and we may find that Jean Liedloff was right and there are no villains -  “just victims of victims.”
I think there is definately bad religion, which tries to regulate birth control and demonise gay people, or which relegates women to second-class citizens and demonises gay people, and that's just two of the major ones. ISIS anyone?

Science is neither good nor bad, just the search for truth.

No villains? Hitler and Stalin were just victims then....

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General Science / Re: Is science replacing religion?
« on: 08/10/2016 10:46:26 »
I'm sure that religion did provide an evolutionary benefit by bonding the tribe together, which is exactly what we don't need now. The ideas of democracy, equality for women and minorities, freedom of expression and all the other things that people now expect are pretty much opposed to what most religions teach, which is why there has been a gradual move away from faith in some countries at least. Maybe the OP should ask if science is disproving some religious teachings while democracy and its associated ideas are replacing others. We should, after all this time, finally be in the age of reason.

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General Science / Re: Is science replacing religion?
« on: 07/10/2016 21:46:53 »
I used to work in finance, and religion is a decent business model - though rather different from the ones I was used to. No engineering or manufacturing costs, but plenty of investment in marketing, sales and facilities. Sales incentive programs like saints, relics and miracles. Revenue growth would be a problem without growing the business, hence crusades/colonialisation/population growth (no birth control) - but look how rich most religions are, so it clearly works well. Way to go.

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General Science / Re: Is science replacing religion?
« on: 07/10/2016 20:47:27 »
I always think of science as illuminating a dark room, first with a candle, then with an oil lamp, then with a 12V bulb - and now we have floodlights. There's very little room for a god to survive.

Religion was always about crowd control, wasn't it? Promise people (sheeple?) something that costs you nothing - heaven or paradise - and threaten them with something that costs you nothing - hell - and make sure you indoctrinate them from an early age, and that's job done.

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Radio Show & Podcast Feedback / Re: Discuss: Is the Bermuda Triangle really cursed?
« on: 05/10/2016 13:47:48 »
Re the title, one of the theories I heard was the release of methane hydrate from beneath the sea floor, causing large bubbles of gas. If a ship happened to be there it would find itself supported by gas instead of water, and sink. I suppose the methane hydrate could be released due to a minor earthquake or something like that.

Note: it wouldn't explain the compass problems.

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Physics, Astronomy & Cosmology / Re: What would happen to a thimble full of a neutron star if you brought it to Earth?
« on: 05/10/2016 11:56:07 »
The explosive blast would be massive. Is there any way to calculate the force, say in terms of Hiroshima-grade bombs? My guess (unsupported by facts) would be that it might destroy all life on Earth.

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Physics, Astronomy & Cosmology / Re: Is the universe expanding evenly in all directions?
« on: 03/10/2016 17:58:45 »
It's normally accepted that it is, but there's this odd article:

http://www.universetoday.com/19509/the-universe-is-not-expanding-uniformly/

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Physiology & Medicine / Re: How strong is childhood conditioning?
« on: 01/10/2016 12:15:34 »
I'm wondering why so many people stick to irrational beliefs despite strong evidence to the contrary. Personally, I'm open to evidence and argument and always have been, but a look at the way people deny facts and persist in their belief system led me to wonder how much of that behaviour is due to influences inflicted in childhood.

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Physics, Astronomy & Cosmology / Re: What would be the transit time to Mars with unlimited power?
« on: 30/09/2016 21:50:14 »
Quote from: Bill S on 30/09/2016 21:36:06
Quote from: Semaphore
You don't need me to identify them.


You could flag up a few for us!

Making silly comments is another "of life's rare pleasures for an old man!".

That's a pretty silly comment, tbf. Do you have anything to say about the issue?

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Just Chat! / Re: Could we still communicate without verbs?
« on: 30/09/2016 19:42:16 »
You wouldn't be able to wake up without a verb to help you.

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Physics, Astronomy & Cosmology / Re: What would be the transit time to Mars with unlimited power?
« on: 30/09/2016 18:49:47 »
I think we should make sure we have the right equipment before we start this adventure, otherwise people will die, either from accidents or cancer. There are plenty of things that need fixing here before we start wrecking another planet. You don't need me to identify them.

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Physics, Astronomy & Cosmology / Re: If aliens were watching us fro millions of light years away would they see early Earth?
« on: 29/09/2016 22:16:58 »
Quote from: Bill S on 29/09/2016 21:57:56
Quote from: Syhprum
It is not possible to see any detail on planets around the nearest star let alone millions of light years away its not a matter of super human alien technology but basic physics

Syhprum; could you say a bit more about the physics involved?

Omkar; I suspect that if such viewing were possible, you would be right, the aliens would see Earth as it was when the light left.  Undoubtedly, such advanced beings would not make the mistake of overlooking the millions of years of evolution which they would have to take into account.

You're right about the time lapse. But how would they know what route evolution would take? They wouldn't know whether the race would be smart enough to survive or whether it would wreck its habitat.

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Physics, Astronomy & Cosmology / Re: What would be the transit time to Mars with unlimited power?
« on: 29/09/2016 20:34:13 »
Quote from: chiralSPO on 29/09/2016 20:29:37
Perhaps it is related to Elon Musk's recent announcement that SpaceX is planning on sending people to Mars?
And?

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Physics, Astronomy & Cosmology / Re: What would be the transit time to Mars with unlimited power?
« on: 29/09/2016 20:14:03 »
I suppose no one has thought about why I asked the question in the first place? Apart from my lack of education.

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Physiology & Medicine / How strong is childhood conditioning?
« on: 29/09/2016 16:37:01 »
Someone once said something like, 'Give me a man for the first seven years of his life and you can have the rest.' I think it may have been a Jesuit.

I'm thinking about religion, how many people continue in their childhood beliefs, how many throw them off, and how many take up religion following a secular upbringing? I've never been able to find any useful stats online, so would be keen to know what people here think.

Gun ownership in the States is another possible issue. Kids seem to be given guns at an early age and it becomes part of the culture they grow up with. On the other hand rational people also decide that owning a gun may increase their chances of living a little longer.

Too, people are often brutalised during childhood by exposure to war, Somalia for example, and who knows what the effect the Syrian civil war may have.

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Physics, Astronomy & Cosmology / Re: What would be the transit time to Mars with unlimited power?
« on: 29/09/2016 15:03:24 »
So it takes 70711 seconds or 19.6 hours to get to the midway point and a similar time to decelerate, for a total of 1 day and 15 hours.

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Physics, Astronomy & Cosmology / Re: What would be the transit time to Mars with unlimited power?
« on: 28/09/2016 22:20:20 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 28/09/2016 22:06:20
Quote from: Semaphore on 28/09/2016 18:04:06


You don't need to be sarcastic.

True, but it's one of life's rare pleasures for an old man!

That doesn't excuse it. I suppose you could have learned manners at school.

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