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Just Chat! / Re: Can science prove God exists?

« on: 04/05/2020 07:04:27 »

Essentially and adult can say this:

Although God has not given me direct advice, I have been guided to find cures for various ailments that work well.

People find out what oks for them.
It's not a theological matter.

Ordinarily I would agree with you. The cures I found were not main-stream and not even alternative medicine. Finding them was a matter of a series of coincidences, plus some "intuition" that they might work. I did do due diligence and ensure that the "cures" were safe.

Of course, one reason I find cures is that I am very persistent and do not give up easily. You many have noticed that.

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Just Chat! / Re: Can science prove God exists?

« on: 03/05/2020 09:14:56 »

When I had double pneumonia about 30 years ago I reached a point where the pain was so intense that I had to break my silence with God. My agreement was that I would do the work he demanded of me in 1981 and that he would no longer directly speak to me, touch me, or force me into obedience. I felt bad for my family although for myself I would prefer death. God said “Put a heating pad on your chest”. There was one in the closet and I put it own. The heat reduced the intense pain. At the same time I felt the healing radiation from God. I fell asleep and awoke on the road to recovery.

You got the right advice. I had to learn the hard way to use heat, especially on my chest and breathing warm to hot air, to fix an chest infections and flu.

Although God has not given me direct advice, I have been guided to find cures for various ailments that work well.

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Just Chat! / Re: Can science prove God exists?

« on: 02/05/2020 09:25:28 »

Shades of 1918! And who saw this coming?

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/05/coronavirus-surge-brazil-brings-coffin-shortage-morgue-chaos-200501192518553.html
...Latin America's grimmest scenes occurred last month in Ecuador's city of Guayaquil, where residents said they had to leave bodies on the street after morgues, cemeteries and funeral homes were overwhelmed.
...The state's military police, who normally pick up bodies found outside, no longer do so for non-violent deaths, said an officer at the scene who would not give his name. He said without elaborating that the policy change was due to the coronavirus.

A friend in SA health services said that the testing in the squatter camps is showing an alarming rate of infection. She also said that people were ignoring social distancing.

Last night at 2am I was dreaming my breathing was restricted by some external restriction on air supply. In my dream I tossed the other way, and there was another restriction. Then I woke up and found that in reality I was having trouble breathing. I am stopping my pain tablets gradually and nearly done, but my chest muscles were in a lot of pain, and they simply did not want to do the work to breathe. I have been doing a lot of manual work.

And this is despite being on oxygen. I lay there for an hour forcing myself to breathe. It was most unpleasant. In fact, it was downright scary. I was cold despite adequate covering and put on the heater. I "feel" my bones being tossed into a grave. I sympathize with those suffering with Covid-19.

My wife is scared of getting the virus. She does not want to go to the shops. She says these are difficult times. I replied that we have both lived a great life and I worried about out children and grandchildren. My second wife grew up in the polio era. She is 80. Her Jewish father insisted that she learn to socialize because he was a prominent man in society but her Anglican mother was fearful. This dichotomy and the fear of socializing affected her mentally, and she has been a recluse  for many years, looked after by our daughter.

[Spoiler:]

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Just Chat! / Re: Can science prove God exists?

« on: 02/05/2020 06:33:14 »

Only God can magically move real goalposts in defiance to the laws of physics.

Well, if He actually did that, we would have evidence of His existence.
But... He doesn't

Last night I asked God to prove to me personally beyond any doubt that he existed. He made me an offer to do so.

Spoiler: show

He said he would give me a fatal heart attack, and then I could meet him.

I declined the offer.

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Just Chat! / Re: Can science prove God exists?

« on: 01/05/2020 06:45:22 »

  Reincarnation theory is pure vanity.  All we get is five minutes our time before we are collectivized.  Then we are gone forever. Like it or not we serve God and not the other way around. All we offer God is our love and intelligence.  God loves man and not the individual. God will protect those who serve God best.

I disagree because I have experienced the afterlife by being there. I also communicated with the spirit of a suicide.

What evidence do you have to support your theory?

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Just Chat! / Re: Can science prove God exists?

« on: 01/05/2020 06:43:09 »

You are redefining words to eliminate the possibility of God.How can one debate when the goalposts keep moving?

I think you have neatly defined God as the ultimate moving goalpost!

Perhaps. Only God can magically move real goalposts in defiance to the laws of physics.

BTW - I just know you will have the last word on this to-and-fro. My mind does not stretch to the extremes as yours does.

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Just Chat! / Re: Can science prove God exists?

« on: 30/04/2020 07:04:50 »

That is a hope of some. Others hope for termination. I studied reincarnation and cosmic reincarnation for quite a long time. It is man’s dreams. Yet it is not God’s dreams.

For most of my life I have assumed that when I die I will cease to exist, except for a while in the memory of some. My experiences tell me that there is likely to be life after death and that we reincarnate. I did not get the belief out of hope that I will not cease to exist.

A lot of people fear death and also fear the nothingness that might come, and I accept that some might believe in a soul because it offers hope. I have lived with the belief of simple termination for so long that it does not bother me that I might be wrong..

A simple rational reason for reincarnation is that the afterlife would be so full of souls it could not cope. When one goes back to man's origin as a single cell then the number of single celled souls would be even more mind-boggling. If one argues that only modern man (after Neanderthal man) has a soul then one has to ask why? What was the defining point? You should also realize that the concept of life after death has been with humankind for a very long time - probably even with the Neanderthals.

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Just Chat! / Re: Can science prove God exists?

« on: 30/04/2020 06:52:29 »

It is a jungle out there - and main stream media are clearly seen to have bias and opinion. Choose which one you want. CNN or Fox News for example. "......"...........

Clive, this series of posts appear to be off topic, can we bring the thread back to the main question rather than running 2 threads.
Thanks

I will take some care. Thanks for the civil prompt.

I think you should be taking more care.

Incidentally, re
"Can one say that cell phone usage leads to higher corona virus deaths?"
No, of course not.
That's just silly.

I stand corrected. Since I do take care, I will take MORE care.

Assuming the link between obesity and cell phone usage is true, explain why my reasoning is faulty as to the possibility.

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Just Chat! / Re: Can science prove God exists?

« on: 30/04/2020 06:31:03 »

Why do we have a word such as "supernatural"?

Like god, it's a catchall for anything you don't understand and can't be bothered to investigate. See also "consciousness".

You are redefining words to eliminate the possibility of God.

How can one debate when the goalposts keep moving?

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Just Chat! / Re: Can science prove God exists?

« on: 29/04/2020 10:51:28 »

Everything that happens is by definition natural, but some natural phenomena are not explained to our satisfaction.

You seem to confirm this statement of mine:
Some people have a world-view is that God and the supernatural do not exist. They then use this as the basic premise for assuming that my experiences MUST have a natural explanation other that the supernatural.

Why do we have a word such as "supernatural"?

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/supernatural
Definition of supernatural
1 : of or relating to an order of existence beyond the visible observable universe especially : of or relating to God or a god, demigod, spirit, or devil
2a : departing from what is usual or normal especially so as to appear to transcend the laws of nature
b : attributed to an invisible agent (such as a ghost or spirit)

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Just Chat! / Re: Can science prove God exists?

« on: 29/04/2020 08:21:17 »

Let us see how bad this pandemic (and those that might follow) gets and whether society becomes much more spiritual and accepts the hypothesis I have put forward. A period of about five years should do it. It life does not change very much, then I guess I have to accept that I was mistaken about the information given to me.

Why not let us try to minimize the damages caused by this pandemic?
Many countries have tried different methods to do so. We'll see which methods work best. As far as I know, no country exclusively relies on supernatural power to do the job.

That will still not change my belief that the supernatural exists. I have had too many experiences indicating the existence of the supernatural.

What would it take to convince you that your experiences were actually natural phenomena which are explainable for those who have complete information related to them?

It is my belief that God wants serious change. That will not come about without destroying the current way of life. If that is the case, then we have much more on the way. Another round of a more serious virus? War? Famine? And other diseases?

The only thing that would convince me that my experiences were actually natural phenomena would be to demonstrate to me that they never happened. No-one has been able to explain how they could happen except by hallucination. And even during the one event, which I did take as an hallucination, it was "more real" than life and I was told that it was a way to give me the information, and for me to continue on my path.

No-one has been able to explain why there information is not a truth. I accept that the link between our brains and the supernatural world is (and must be) tenuous and very slight. This means mistakes are made. But it does not invalidate the knowledge gained.

Some people have a world-view is that God and the supernatural do not exist. They then use this as the basic premise for assuming that my experiences MUST have a natural explanation other that the supernatural. If they are right about their premise then they must be right about the conclusion. If they are wrong about their premise then they are wrong about their conclusion.

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Just Chat! / Re: Can science prove God exists?

« on: 29/04/2020 08:05:36 »

GG: Naked 4.28.2020 6pm
Duffyd says:BTW, very, very few people believe this is it, that we don't live on past our death.
GG: There are quite a lot of people who do not believe we live on past our death. However the majority of people in the world today do believe such things. Christians have heaven and hell. So do the Moslem. Hindus believe in reincarnation. When we go back to ancient Egypt we have the sun God and the pharaohs had elaborate surroundings for themselves. Often they would seal living slaves in their tombs so they would have faithful servants in the world to come. The Jews though that God at the end of days would resurrect their bones. The Nazis made this difficult since all cremated bones were mixed together.
  What value is there in living beyond the grave? Life is a mixture of positive and negative. It is mostly a net zero for most of us. For many it is definitely a negative. The concept of heaven and hell is horrible. Only a monster God would give eternal joy to some at the expense of eternal pain to many others.
   Assuming we have a just God, then everyone would achieve the same thing. The worst of man would perish and the best of man would perish as well.  So the self must be gone in either case. The worst of man perishes into nothingness while the best of man perishes into God. When an individual is absorbed by a just God along with millions of others, the net result is a collective consciousness with no memory of the individual. Thus in death we do live on for a few minutes and then are gone forever.

You left out my theory based on experience. That when we die our souls continue in another plane of existence until we reincarnate. Some souls are terminated. The plane of existence varies from very good to very bad. It is not binary. The souls have a little memory but are mostly the essence of the person from the latest reincarnation and from all the previous reincarnations. Our souls are evolving to keep up with our physical evolution. Our souls assist the new brain to develop by guiding the connections of the neurons.

This is what I experienced when visiting my late wife. It avoid the various problems of deciding on two extremes such as Heaven and Hell, as well as answering how our brains have so much intelligence and so much built-in capability. It deals with the question of when humans became sentient enough to have a soul (all life has a soul).

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Just Chat! / Re: Can science prove God exists?

« on: 27/04/2020 13:42:31 »

What gave the molecules their emergent property of being able to form such complex units?

Schrodinger.

Is he dead or alive?

Probably.

Where is the thumbs up emoticon? You get one.

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Just Chat! / Re: Can science prove God exists?

« on: 27/04/2020 13:40:25 »

How does one explain that this person had the genes of a male and yet the consciousness of a female? I have hypothesized that souls control the development of the wiring of our brains and have also said that our souls are non-gender specific that reincarnates. Can this person have had a soul that supposedly started out as a female and so programmed the brain to be female? Nothing in his/her upbringing could have influenced the feminine thinking.

https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-51928077
When I was 16, I immersed myself in Jewish mysticism, called Kabbalah. That was where I first came across a religious text that justified my existence.
In a 16th Century study of human souls called The Door of Reincarnation, I read: "At times, a male will reincarnate in the body of a female, and a female will be in a male body."
It gave me hope that maybe I wasn't crazy.

This is an example of what I just wrote about. How does science explain this?

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Just Chat! / Re: Can science prove God exists?

« on: 27/04/2020 13:32:13 »

If I am right that God is giving me this information and it turns out to be accurate, then it is a boost towards "proving" (a higher probability) the existence of God.

The problem is that it does not offer scientific proof. The only way you can do show accurate prior information is by being subject to rigorous double blind testing as explained previously. Even then it would not prove the source.
This is the whole problem with this thread, no one has approached the question of how you rigorously test and demonstrate the existence of God or any god. Using personal, after the fact, recollection is not a scientific method and offers no scientific credence to the experience which could be due to a number of causes including selective bias. This is also the problem with all personal testimonies.
Overall, I’m quite disappointed that this God sent opportunity has been studiously avoided. @hamdani yusuf did attempt to lay in some guidelines but it was ignored.  The question remains, how would you go about it, what tests or experiments would offer incontrovertible proof? How would you falsify the theory of the existence of God?

Is an epidemiological study accepted as proof? One that compares people with experiences of God and the supernatural with those in similar circumstances but do not believe in God.

A study that looks at events that have seemingly have no rational physical explanation, and do studies to determine whether these give plausibility to the existence of God.

I am well aware of scientific double blind studies. I just think that God, at this time, in not prepared to be tested and proved. He wants plausible deniability so as to give humankind free will. Free will to do evil things and be damned.

We have already agreed that it seems unlikely God will take part. Predictions have always been a powerful persuader that God might be giving information to some people. Let us see how bad this pandemic (and those that might follow) gets and whether society becomes much more spiritual and accepts the hypothesis I have put forward. A period of about five years should do it. It life does not change very much, then I guess I have to accept that I was mistaken about the information given to me.

That will still not change my belief that the supernatural exists. I have had too many experiences indicating the existence of the supernatural.

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Just Chat! / Re: Can science prove God exists?

« on: 27/04/2020 07:38:47 »

It is a jungle out there - and main stream media are clearly seen to have bias and opinion. Choose which one you want. CNN or Fox News for example. "......"...........

Clive, this series of posts appear to be off topic, can we bring the thread back to the main question rather than running 2 threads.
Thanks

I will take some care. Thanks for the civil prompt.

My motivation was about God wanting change using a pandemic, and making the pandemic more effective by lowering peoples immune systems. If I am right that God is giving me this information and it turns out to be accurate, then it is a boost towards "proving" (a higher probability) the existence of God. I have said that God guides me by events. I believe that my legal fight with the cell tower was to show me how the coming chaos would be facilitated. This requires a few years to pan out so I appreciate being allowed to document on the site.

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Just Chat! / Re: Can science prove God exists?

« on: 26/04/2020 07:02:41 »

https://www.mdpi.com/1422-0067/21/6/1915
Electrohypersensitivity as a Newly Identified and Characterized Neurologic Pathological Disorder: How to Diagnose, Treat, and Prevent It

https://wikipedia.org/wiki/MDPI#Controversies

It is a jungle out there - and main stream media are clearly seen to have bias and opinion. Choose which one you want. CNN or Fox News for example. The science world also has issues. They play favorites and succumb to industry pressure. Money and funding drives nearly all of them, and upsetting (directly or indirectly) a source of funding is avoided. Telcos and their lobbies are among the most powerful.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Beall
Phil Davis, in an analysis of the Who's Afraid of Peer Review? sting operation, observed that "Beall is falsely accusing nearly one in five as being a 'potential, possible, or probable predatory scholarly open access publisher' on appearances alone." He continued to say that Beall "should reconsider listing publishers on his 'predatory' list until he has evidence of wrongdoing. Being mislabeled as a 'potential, possible, or probable predatory publisher' by circumstantial evidence alone is like the sheriff of a Wild West town throwing a cowboy into jail just 'cuz he's a little funny lookin.' Civility requires due process."

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Just Chat! / Re: Can science prove God exists?

« on: 26/04/2020 06:29:54 »

So, IARC can't prove a negative, and WHO have been asked to classify something.

Did you think you had a point?

These are proving positives (among the many studies being done). Do you think you had a point with silly statements?

Please take issue with specifics in the articles.

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Just Chat! / Re: Can science prove God exists?

« on: 26/04/2020 06:27:34 »

What gave the molecules their emergent property of being able to form such complex units?

Schrodinger.

Is he dead or alive?

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Just Chat! / Re: Can science prove God exists?

« on: 26/04/2020 06:26:10 »

https://www.mdpi.com/1422-0067/21/6/1915
Electrohypersensitivity as a Newly Identified and Characterized Neurologic Pathological Disorder: How to Diagnose, Treat, and Prevent It

https://wikipedia.org/wiki/MDPI#Controversies

Does being a non-mainstream site discredit the article? What about the other article? It has been 26 years since Henry Lai (working for Motorola at the time) showed that cell microwave caused DNA damage. How long can the Telco's suppress the science? I would say quite a long time with the help of various critics as I am seeing on this forum. Hence the silent electrosmog plague will not be stopped until too late. However, the blow-back will be massive when the populace realize how they were duped.

It does indicate that I am not some lone wacko.

The previous articles had good references. You can follow them if you have the interest and the time.

You have to ask why none of these get traction in the popular press. They are certain more sensational than aliens.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...991?via%3Dihub
...The number of studies showing adverse effects on living organisms induced by different types of man-made Electromagnetic Fields (EMFs) has increased tremendously. Hundreds of peer reviewed published studies show a variety of effects, the most important being DNA damage which is linked to cancer, neurodegenerative diseases, reproductive declines etc