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Just Chat! / Re: Can science prove God exists?
« on: 25/04/2020 19:15:53 »
God helps me because I was challenged by a skeptic to give scientific papers which prompted me to do some work. In trying to find the best 5 papers, I was re-organising and re-reading some material I had. That prompted me to Google some of the sources and people to see what would come up.
And through skimming and noticing little references that seemed interesting I came up with a couple of what I found. The first one does the mathematics on standing waves which I mentioned, and references Dr Palls work on calcium ion channels.
The first one was this one:
https://www.nature.com/articles/srep14914.pdf
Polarization: A Key Difference between Man-made and Natural Electromagnetic Fields, in regard to Biological Activity Dimitris J. J. Panagopoulos.
...A large and increasing number of studies during the past few decades have indicated a variety of adverse biological effects to be triggered by exposure to man-made EMFs, especially of radio frequency (RF)/microwaves, and extremely low frequency (ELF). The recorded biological effects range from alterations in the synthesis rates and intracellular concentrations of different biomolecules, to DNA and protein damage, which may result in cell death, reproductive declines, or even cancer. Under the weight of this evidence the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) has classified both ELF magnetic fields and RF EMFs as possibly carcinogenic to humans. The intensities of radiation and durations of exposure in all these studies were significantly smaller than those of corresponding exposures from natural EMFs in the terrestrial environment. Moreover, the field intensities applied in the studies were several orders of magnitude smaller than physiological fields in cell membranes, or fields generated by nerve and muscle excitations.
...As is evident from the described mechanism, the field does not gate the channel by forces exerted directly on the channel sensors. It would take a field on the order of the transmembrane field (106–107 V/m) for that. It is the mediation of the oscillating free ions in close proximity to the S4 channel sensors that allows such weak fields to be able to exert the necessary forces to gate the channel.Thus, ELF electric fields emitted by mobile phones and base stations stronger than 0.0004 V/m are also potentially able to disrupt the function of any living cell. This ELF intensity value is emitted by regular cell phones at distances up to a few meters and base stations at distances up to a few hundred meters. For N number of mobile telephony antennas vertically oriented, the last value is divided by N (according to Eq. 19) at locations of constructive interference.
I also came across this 2020 article on EHS which is a scientific paper on the symptoms and the field strengths/durations I listed as personal observations - and also references the fact that my underlying histoplasmosis issues probably make me more sensitive. It shows the scientific tests that are available that I was not aware of (I will give this one to my GP and my neurologist). Note the debunking of psychosomatic and nocebo myths.
https://www.mdpi.com/1422-0067/21/6/1915
Electrohypersensitivity as a Newly Identified and Characterized Neurologic Pathological Disorder: How to Diagnose, Treat, and Prevent It
...Altogether, these data strongly suggest that EHS is a neurologic
pathological disorder which can be diagnosed, treated, and prevented. Because EHS is becoming a new insidious worldwide plague involving millions of people, we ask the World Health Organization (WHO) to include EHS as a neurologic disorder in the international classification of diseases.
...Symptoms in patients with EHS were compared with those from a series of apparently healthy control subjects that showed no clinical evidence of EHS and/or MCS. As indicated in the table, EHS is characterized by the occurrence of neurologic symptoms including headache, tinnitus, hyperacusis, dizziness, balance disorder, superficial and/or deep sensibility abnormalities, fibromyalgia, vegetative nerve dysfunction, and reduced cognitive capability, including immediate memory loss, attention–concentration deficiency, and eventually tempo-spatial confusion. These symptoms were associated with chronic insomnia, fatigue, and depressive tendency, in addition to emotional lability and sometimes irritability. A major observation is that symptoms were repeatedly reported by the patients to occur each time they reported being exposed to presumably EMF sources, even of weak intensity, and to regress or even disappear after they left these presumed sources. With the exception of arthralgia and emotivity, which were observed at a similar frequency range in the control group, all clinical symptoms occurring in EHS patients were found to be significantly much more frequent than those in apparently normal controls.
...On the basis of previously published experimental data, we selected and identified several biomarkers in the peripheral blood and urine of EHS and/or MCS patients which can allow physicians to objectively characterize EHS and MCS as true somatic pathological disorders, discounting the hypothesis that EHS and MCS could be caused by a psychosomatic or nocebo-related process.
But the die-hards on this forum will no doubt reach deep to discredit these so that they can discredit me. Here is a example of my predictions starting to be supported by science. I was 12 months ahead of reading this article.
And through skimming and noticing little references that seemed interesting I came up with a couple of what I found. The first one does the mathematics on standing waves which I mentioned, and references Dr Palls work on calcium ion channels.
The first one was this one:
https://www.nature.com/articles/srep14914.pdf
Polarization: A Key Difference between Man-made and Natural Electromagnetic Fields, in regard to Biological Activity Dimitris J. J. Panagopoulos.
...A large and increasing number of studies during the past few decades have indicated a variety of adverse biological effects to be triggered by exposure to man-made EMFs, especially of radio frequency (RF)/microwaves, and extremely low frequency (ELF). The recorded biological effects range from alterations in the synthesis rates and intracellular concentrations of different biomolecules, to DNA and protein damage, which may result in cell death, reproductive declines, or even cancer. Under the weight of this evidence the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) has classified both ELF magnetic fields and RF EMFs as possibly carcinogenic to humans. The intensities of radiation and durations of exposure in all these studies were significantly smaller than those of corresponding exposures from natural EMFs in the terrestrial environment. Moreover, the field intensities applied in the studies were several orders of magnitude smaller than physiological fields in cell membranes, or fields generated by nerve and muscle excitations.
...As is evident from the described mechanism, the field does not gate the channel by forces exerted directly on the channel sensors. It would take a field on the order of the transmembrane field (106–107 V/m) for that. It is the mediation of the oscillating free ions in close proximity to the S4 channel sensors that allows such weak fields to be able to exert the necessary forces to gate the channel.Thus, ELF electric fields emitted by mobile phones and base stations stronger than 0.0004 V/m are also potentially able to disrupt the function of any living cell. This ELF intensity value is emitted by regular cell phones at distances up to a few meters and base stations at distances up to a few hundred meters. For N number of mobile telephony antennas vertically oriented, the last value is divided by N (according to Eq. 19) at locations of constructive interference.
I also came across this 2020 article on EHS which is a scientific paper on the symptoms and the field strengths/durations I listed as personal observations - and also references the fact that my underlying histoplasmosis issues probably make me more sensitive. It shows the scientific tests that are available that I was not aware of (I will give this one to my GP and my neurologist). Note the debunking of psychosomatic and nocebo myths.
https://www.mdpi.com/1422-0067/21/6/1915
Electrohypersensitivity as a Newly Identified and Characterized Neurologic Pathological Disorder: How to Diagnose, Treat, and Prevent It
...Altogether, these data strongly suggest that EHS is a neurologic
pathological disorder which can be diagnosed, treated, and prevented. Because EHS is becoming a new insidious worldwide plague involving millions of people, we ask the World Health Organization (WHO) to include EHS as a neurologic disorder in the international classification of diseases.
...Symptoms in patients with EHS were compared with those from a series of apparently healthy control subjects that showed no clinical evidence of EHS and/or MCS. As indicated in the table, EHS is characterized by the occurrence of neurologic symptoms including headache, tinnitus, hyperacusis, dizziness, balance disorder, superficial and/or deep sensibility abnormalities, fibromyalgia, vegetative nerve dysfunction, and reduced cognitive capability, including immediate memory loss, attention–concentration deficiency, and eventually tempo-spatial confusion. These symptoms were associated with chronic insomnia, fatigue, and depressive tendency, in addition to emotional lability and sometimes irritability. A major observation is that symptoms were repeatedly reported by the patients to occur each time they reported being exposed to presumably EMF sources, even of weak intensity, and to regress or even disappear after they left these presumed sources. With the exception of arthralgia and emotivity, which were observed at a similar frequency range in the control group, all clinical symptoms occurring in EHS patients were found to be significantly much more frequent than those in apparently normal controls.
...On the basis of previously published experimental data, we selected and identified several biomarkers in the peripheral blood and urine of EHS and/or MCS patients which can allow physicians to objectively characterize EHS and MCS as true somatic pathological disorders, discounting the hypothesis that EHS and MCS could be caused by a psychosomatic or nocebo-related process.
But the die-hards on this forum will no doubt reach deep to discredit these so that they can discredit me. Here is a example of my predictions starting to be supported by science. I was 12 months ahead of reading this article.
Scientists at first were worried that this supported the viewpoint of a "Creation" and it took some time for acceptance. Religion was not just stuffy Popes ruling by edict from an ivory tower.
. He even kept a straight face when talking about aliens. (A it of tongue in cheek here). But I do not know the guy. He might very well be a solid well grounded professor.