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New Theories / Re: New theory about Who Jesus really is and was.

« on: Today at 10:24:34 »

Which tells you nothing about what that intelligent life should do. It's just another IS that cannot generate an Ort.

If you refuse to think through, difference of sun position seen from different location on earth tells you nothing about earth shape. The universal terminal goal tells us what to achieve.

Right now your just rambling.  But I'm intrigued Define "Terminal goal" and "achieve"

Determining exactly what to do to achieve that in any particular situations requires the knowledge of causality, which is the subject of science.

Oh you think your gonna gain prescesence? 🤣 good luck Paul Atraides. SpICY

"Must not fear fear is the mind killer, need a bigger machine...".🤣

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That CAN'T be true! / Re: Bill Gates seeks to monopolies the entire worlds food supply?!

« on: Today at 10:12:53 »

No, I'm looking at gates stated agenda. To depopulate Africa.

Where is this stated?

In almost every interview, documentary,  and TED talk he has given over the past 10 years about Africa.


Bill Gates on his best investment ever, over 20 to 1 return.

Paid 10 billion on vaccines made in profit over 200 billion.

What a philanthropist.

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New Theories / Re: Where did covid 19 originate?

« on: Today at 09:54:24 »

If that is what happened,  it was Trump that would have over seen it. I was slightly disturbed by Trump continually calling it the China virus, seemed to me to be a mud slinging exercise,  as I suggested before the same endeavour Hilary Clinton engaged in with Russia Gate. Blame others for your faults as a cover.

Could very well be the case, that covid is the Trump virus.

If it was proven I wonder if it would hamper his reelection chances for 2024? Do you think MAGA would care? I suppose some would.

There is evidence to the contrary, myself for example, I did not witness any surgical mask wearing Secret service operatives in the autumn or winter of 2019.

Know many do you? If you dont how do you know?

There was the a Corona virus pandemic drill ran towards the end of 2019, that could have been organised as soon as they realised a Corona virus had escaped as a means of assessing damage control, and potential opportunities.

I cannot remember the hospitals being overstreched. I do not remember a spike in illness or mortality in the retired peoples of my parents friends.

You're forgetting that what escaped might  not have been covid19 but a different Corona virus that after a few months free evolves into covid 19, what ever that virus was, we cant without finding it know what it would have done to the people it infected.

So calculations of R rate and source cannot come from an outbreak in the populace in the USA in 2019 in not viable.

As above. You cant know the R0 for the virus either. It would be a different virus than covid.

Still whatever the ancestor of Covid was, it probably wasnt very deadly, we would have noticed critters dying from a new virus, so I would suggest the ancestor probably had a high R0 but all that caught it like the majority with covid19 had no symptoms, then a mutation occurred that made it more deadly. That would be for both laboratory escape or zoological origin.  The only hypothesis that offers a different beginning is going to be a hybrid chirmera made in a laboratory and released intentionally or by accident and only because the evolution happened in the laboratory, as a gain of function.

Covid is highly adapted to transmission in humans and that suggests a human population that it evolved in, but it's also highly adapted to indoor transmission and not outdoor transmission,  which is suggestive of a laboratory gain of function virus more then a virus that evolved in nature.

Applying  Occam's razor, a laboratory release seems most likley. Especially when you consider that gain of function research is geared towards human infection as a means to protect people.

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New Theories / Re: Where did covid 19 originate?

« on: Today at 09:45:03 »

Highly scientific approach.

Ignoring false "information" is indeed highly scientific.

Could also have evolved in a human population somewhere.

Not without them noticing.

Why do you insist on suggesting that these people are stupid?

How long it took for the original Corona Virus that became covid 19, to evolve we dont know, could have been months or even years.

And nobody cares.
The covid 19 virus causing a pandemic is what we are looking at in this thread.
Not its evolutionary  ancestors.
And, as soon as it evolved into covid19 it would have been noticed.
So we know that covid evolved near where the first outbreak was.

No mr 'not a virologist' the lab leak hypothesis looks for a corona virus that escaped and evolved into Covid19 one hypothesis.

Another laboratory leak hypothesis it that the Laboratory had developed covid19 as a hybrid chimera that either escaped or was released intentionally.

Two different hypotheses

The points remain Mr "Never actually worked in science" that neither hypothesis is plausible, nor do they have supporting evidence.
But one of those suggestions is irrelevant anyway.
If the virus that left the lab wasn't covid then covid evolved outside the lab, in some animal or other; and that's what the grown-ups have been saying all along.

The other hypothesis is more or less impossible because nobody would be doing that sort of work.
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As always you post nonsense and I'm not replying to it.

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New Theories / Re: New theory about Who Jesus really is and was.

« on: Today at 05:47:11 »

For me, certianly.

Why do you think so?

I don't think so I know so.

Is there any particular reason, or it just makes you feel good to say so?

There are a few, apart from helping you focus on what's truly important. Or also as Job would say "naked I came into this world and naked I shall leave"

Wealth and the fear of losing it controls people.

I'm very sure the idea of losing everything and being homeless and completely impoverished terrifies you. I'm sure the idea of having sleep out on the pavent, in a bus stop doesn't fill you with much peace either.

I remember the first time I ever hitch hiked, it was looking back rather nerve racking, concern for the potential crazy lunatic that might stop to collect me. After easily a 100 rides by now, I see how fearful I was. If I had money I'd just take a train,  and have kept the fear.

Money, is about safety and security, often, the faithful find that in God.

Do you remember when you first think that spiritual growth is better than wealth?

Not really it arrived slowly.

What would you say to people who think otherwise?

That cowardice is no real way to live.

Is there something better than spiritual growth? Is there a limit to the growth?

Only God could answer that question.

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It's also why I can say with certainly when Jesus said "give back to Cesar what belongs to Cesar and to God what belongs to God"

He meant it, give back everything,  take your roads, take your coins, take your wine, and take everything else that's "yours" and leave us be, for there is nothing we want from you and there is nothing you can buy or bribe us with.

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New Theories / Re: New theory about Who Jesus really is and was.

« on: Today at 05:36:29 »

The anthropic principle is just a quest to see how closely models match the universe.


And by avoiding morality

Here is the definition by Merriam-Webster:

Definition of anthropic principle
: either of two principles in cosmology:
a: conditions that are observed in the universe must allow the observer to exist
— called also weak anthropic principle

b: the universe must have properties that make inevitable the existence of intelligent life
— called also strong anthropic principle

I stated previously that morality is a tool to achieve a common goal by protecting a system consist of many conscious agents from harmful behaviors of its members.

Which tells you nothing about what that intelligent life should do. It's just another IS that cannot generate an Ort.

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New Theories / Re: New theory about Who Jesus really is and was.

« on: Today at 05:04:27 »

ANYWAY

To go back on topic.

Rather the continue with who jesus is and claimed to, we can also look at who jesus isn't

Jesus is not God, as part of a trinity.

As related before Wisdom is a creation proverbs 8.22.

And wisdom is the holy spirit as shown in
wisdom 9.37 "as for your intentions, who could have learnt it, had you not granted wisdom and sent your holy spirit from above"

Or wisdom 7.27 "...in each generation she(wisdom) passes into holy souls and makes them friends of God and prophets"

And as Yehovah says in Isiaiah 44..8 "you are my witnesses is there any other God besides me? There is no rock, I know of none."

And as Jesus himself says John 17.3 "eternal Life is knowing you the only true God and Jesus christ who you(the only true God) have sent.

And also jesus says "why do you call me good? Only God is good" mark 10.

Jesus is not the Messiah the Jews await to bring peace to the earth.

"do not imagine I have come to bring peace" Matthew 10.34

Jesus is not the suffering servant of Yehovah the lamb of God, from Isaiah

Relating to Jesus not being the suffering servant.

Jesus could not be considered Blind and deaf. Isaiah 42.18

What rhymes with Thicke? he is right ofcourse 'that man is not your maker'.  Yep "good girls dont need a doctor"

Jesus was not a person accustomed with infirmity or suffering isaiah 53.3

Jesus was never in prison for so long a time people feared he may starve. Isaiah 52.14

Jesus never had children, Isaiah  53.10

Jesus didn't speak to crowds and kings Isaiah 52.15

There are plenty more prophecy of the suffering servant Jesus doesnt fulfill.

With the real kicker being jesus never established justice on earth.  Isaiah 42.4

No justice, no peace.

Jesus is not the Word, As mistakenly claimed by John.

It is clear John believes what he writes,  but there are a few instances where his beliefs/writings can be clearly shown as wrong.

And as Jesus tells John and all the other disciples, they do not know the full truth and they are not ready for it. John 16.12"i still have many things to say to you, but they would be too much for you now"
Hence Jesus leaves them all ignorant. And in their ignorance they write the gospels adding in their (mistaken)beliefs as they do so.

Jesus is

The anointed high priest of yehovah as described in Zachariah 3.

Shown by jesus' claim "you will see me seated at the right hand of the power of God." The same position the anointed high priest has.
matt 26.64

His claim to be incharge of the judgement.
John 5.22 "for the father judges no one and has left all judgement to the son"

And his referencing of the kingdom of heaven being given to him. Matthew 28.18 John 17.10

The anointed high priest is told in Zac 3 "if you walk in my ways and keep my ordinances, you shall govern my house, you shall watch over my courts"

The kingdom of heaven is gods house.

He is the prophet as described in deutormy 18.

A claim maybe by Jesus explicitly in John 5.45 to 5.47

The prophet like moses.

"The words I speak are not my own they come from the one who sent me"John 7.16

And you can compare the two, both perform miracles.  Both are men of the law, and so on...

There is also numbers 12.6 to 8 compared with John 5.37
Where jesus claims to have the same relationship with God as Moses had with God.

And the prophet of Isiah who proclaimed a year of favour.

Another claim maybe directly by Jesus' in the gospels where he enters a synagogue and read the text directly from Isaiah. Luke 4.16

It is an interesting note that the ministry of Jesus only lasted a year. That is disputed by some ofcourse but what isnt?
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Then ofcourse there is Jesus being Born of the holy Spirit and therefore having the body and blood of Wisdom.  I direct all interested to read proverbs 9.1 to 6 concentrating on 9.5


Matthew 31.31

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That CAN'T be true! / Re: Final evidence of a rigged election in 2020?

« on: Today at 01:02:53 »

he stopped the CIA funding ISIS

Which they weren't doing.
ISIS is about the only group they weren't funding.

News report on America funding ISIS

Most terrorists work for a government, terrorism is a government tactic.

America funded Osama bin laden, to terrorise  Russia in Afghanistan,  they funded terrorist  groups across south America, the rebels  in Chechnya, and ISIS to attack Syria. The same play book again and again.

......

On another note war monger Biden attacked Syria today

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That CAN'T be true! / Re: Final evidence of a rigged election in 2020?

« on: Today at 00:57:21 »

She checked the roles and found that her dog had actually voted in the last election.  That was her claim anyway.

Now why did she take it into her head to check whether her dog had been enrolled?
Since the electoral roll is compiled by householders responding to a postal enquiry, only she (or the dog) could have enrolled him - nobody else would have known the dog's name and entered it on the form that she signed as householder.

Now theres an assumption,  anyone with access to the registration database,  could do so. The suggestion an owner would seek to register thier dog is rather hilarious, and unlikely as the chances of being caught you would assume to be quiet high. but an interested party seeking to find extra fake voters in thier rush not noticing the registration was actually for a dog and making a fake registered voter anyway,  makes more sense.

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That CAN'T be true! / Re: Bill Gates seeks to monopolies the entire worlds food supply?!

« on: Today at 00:51:14 »

The suggestion that an African government might be corrupt is, frankly, outrageous. Never in the history of any African country has here been a case of a president or minister with his hand in the till. These guys are all of the highest moral caliber and integrity, who practice genocide and ignore election results because that is the proper way to do business.   

Actually  it's often at the behest of the very people that installed them, there are countless examples of African leaders seeking a  better circumstance for thier people, being assinated by the west for daring to challenge the status quo of western corporate control over their resources.

If the bank makes a mistake, the rain fails or the crop gets hijacked, that is clearly the fault of the man who invented Windows.

Nice nonsense ramble that seeks to change the actual point.

Whilst I have your attention,

You think you achieved anything besides showing your complete support for western corporate exploitation of Africa?

may I ask for a small favor that will be to our mutual advantage? My second cousin died in a freak accident in his Ugandan gold mine, leaving me with $25,000,000 in bullion in his will, with which to look after his starving wife and children.  I am entitled to a half share in this wealth but I need $150,000 immediately to pay the legal fees for probate and death duties. I will be pleased to refund the money plus 10% per annum interest and a 20% tax-free honorarium as soon as the  case is settled. Please send me a personal message with an authority to access your bank account. This offer is only open to correspondents on this forum as you are all known to be persons of honor and integrity.

It's funny because only really poor people, both financially and spiritually engage in such schemes,  I wonder what reality they must have grown up in, to end up like that?

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New Theories / Re: Where did covid 19 originate?

« on: Today at 00:43:02 »

Charles its simply one hypothesis, and a valid one. Fort Detrick had a leak FACT,  Fort Detrick was doing gain of function research into Bat Corona virus' FACT.
Fort Detrick was Closed in mid July 2019 due to the Leaks FACT. And there was an Outbreak of a Respiratory infections in a nursing home relatively near by Two weeks before the Base was closed.

The hypothesis, states maybe a Corona virus escaped from fort Detrick and over the next 3 to 4 months evolved into covid 19. Before coming to wuhan at the wuhan military games that October 3 months later.

Too true, if wre looking at the spread of unspecified respiratory syndrome throughout the continental United States in 2019, the swift covert efforts of the US government and European allies to control and suppress it and then the purpousful diversion the CIA created by spreading it to China in the autumn, he suppressed death toll and the celebrity obituaries that where written off as something else.

As this is new theories, now find the evidence to support it. hybrid chimera, a Zebricorn.

If that is what happened,  it was Trump that would have over seen it. I was slightly disturbed by Trump continually calling it the China virus, seemed to me to be a mud slinging exercise,  as I suggested before the same endeavour Hilary Clinton engaged in with Russia Gate. Blame others for your faults as a cover.

Could very well be the case, that covid is the Trump virus.

If it was proven I wonder if it would hamper his reelection chances for 2024? Do you think MAGA would care? I suppose some would.

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New Theories / Re: Where did covid 19 originate?

« on: Yesterday at 23:01:13 »

Someone is forgetting that under the laboratory leak hypothesis, 

No.
I'm ignoring it;

Highly scientific approach.

Anyone sick with a Corona virus that escaped wouldn't have Covid 19

So, you finally recognise that covid19 didn't escape from a lab.
See above.

No mr 'not a virologist' the lab leak hypothesis looks for a corona virus that escaped and evolved into Covid19 one hypothesis.

Another laboratory leak hypothesis it that the Laboratory had developed covid19 as a hybrid chimera that either escaped or was released intentionally. 

Two different hypotheses

However, at some point there was a first covid19 virus- and it was probably in some non-human animal.

Could also have evolved in a human population somewhere.

Then it spread to some human - plausibly in a Wuhan market.
And then it spread very rapidly through a population who had no immunity and no idea that there was an outbreak.
So it must have multiplied and spread very fast.

So, we have a pretty good idea when and where it started..

No you don't,  you can at best say when the first covid 19 patient 0 was. How long it took for the original Corona Virus that became covid 19, to evolve we dont know, could have been months or even years.
We don't know the what, where, when or how, of the intermediary that first caught the Corona virus that evolved into covid19.

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That CAN'T be true! / Re: America slave Labour camps. What should be done?

« on: Yesterday at 22:48:33 »

There are currently over 2 million people in America slave Labour camp system.

It costs far more to keep a person in prison than you could earn from the work they do.

You're missing the trick, the government pays that, it's all taxpayers money,  the private companies,  earn some profits off each inmate,  they also earn profits from the goods they produce, or the services they provide like fighting forest fires.

It's all profits for the companies with money paying for it commimg from the people(government)

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That CAN'T be true! / Re: Bill Gates seeks to monopolies the entire worlds food supply?!

« on: Yesterday at 22:33:00 »

If proven,  Gates would be engaged in a conspiracy.

So, if it was a theory, it would be a conspiracy theory.
Are you saying it's not a conspiracy theory because it is just baseless guesswork?

No, I'm looking at gates stated agenda. To depopulate Africa.

And then looking at one program he has in Africa that was claiming it would increase food production.

Then wondering why a program that was meant to increase food production is after 18 years actually decreasing food production.

It simple a question why is this failed program still running? Its increasing hunger, reducing the nutritional value of crops and producing less food.

Is that Bill Gates actual intention? Is the question not a conspiracy theory,  it's a speculative answer to the question why is that program still running after over 18s years of failure?

If I was a politician in one the African countries effected I would be demanding an investigation in to what has gone wrong.  On opening the books into the decision making that have lead to this failure, we might find the actual answer to the question.  That answer could be Bill Gates intends to reduce food production on purpose, but it could also be people mismanaged the program and just sort to take as much money as possible from Gates as a milking scheme. Although I find the latter less likely as Gates doesnt appear to be the type, to be so easily taken advantage of. And ultimately after this failure he still funds it.

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That CAN'T be true! / Re: Bill Gates seeks to monopolies the entire worlds food supply?!

« on: Yesterday at 22:23:51 »

Bill Gates wants massive depopulation in Africa.

So does anyone who cares about climate change, sustainability and quality of life.

Nonsense,  as I have been arguing for ages, population isnt the issue, it's how we produce. 75% of all environmental damage is comming from business practice, as usual business passes the buck and wants to blame people. It's all rubbish. Reducing the population achieves nothing, when the real cause is how business behaves. Even if everyone stops behaviour that damages the planet only 25% of the issue is solved leaving everything as a consequence of corporate behaviour.

The question is whether it will be achieved by disease and starvation (as has been the case for several thousand years), genocide and civil war (since the 1950s), or education and economics (as promoted by the Gates Foundation).

All dooms day nonsense and hype used to justify agendas that are unnecessary. We can feed far more people then we currently do, we can produce energy in far cleaner and safer ways, we can produce products and services in ways that dont damage the environment,  that's all possible. Sadly some oligarchs never have enough,  and so keep people in poverty and starvation,  to make it easier for low wage exploitation.

There are 1000s of solutions to problems the elites however are only interested in solutions that guarantee their continuation as Rulers, and that is the biggest issue.

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That CAN'T be true! / Re: Final evidence of a rigged election in 2020?

« on: Yesterday at 22:03:00 »

They dont match votes for candidate against ballots for candidate.

Yes they do.
But even if all they did was- as you say- to count that the numbers are right then that's enough to stop this

No it wouldn't,  fake votes added by an algorithm matched with fake ballots,  wont be noticed in a tally at the end.

As soon as a ballot becomes separated from its envelope it is impossible to find out whose ballot it is. Leaving the opportunity to add fake ballots wide open.

Please try to remember what you say  from one sentence to the next.

I know exactly what I'm saying primarily that the American election voting system is a total joke. Which isn't surprising when the elites that run America hate democracy.
Chomsky on neoliberalism destroying democracy

Steven crowder took a list of registered voter addresses, then crossed referenced them with the post office to find if any were listed as 'not available to receive packages'. He found 100s on checking them out by going to the actual locations,  he found car parks, storage areas and all manner of other places no voter lives in.

Did any of  the car parks vote?

Not sure,  I saw one women complaining that her dog had voted, her dog had been chipped and as part of the chipping process the dog has a registration number, someone used the registration to make a fake registered voter.  She checked the roles and found that her dog had actually voted in the last election.  That was her claim anyway.

Traditional media is illegitimate as a news source.

Uncharacteristically, Jolly is right about that.
For example, The Sun "newspaper" makes a loss.
But the owners still pay to have it  printed as a propaganda sheet  to get the naïve to support the billionaires.

However, it does raise an interesting question; where the heck should we get actual information from?

"Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me"

You can read all past reporting if a journalist has been shown to have written a hit piece or published a fake news story or outright lied and not given a retraction.  Then you should avoid them.

From the ardent Trump supporter, that is comedy gold.

I'm not an Ardent Trump supporter,  I would have voted Bernie Sanders in 2016. I wouldn't vote him today ofcourse, it's clear now that Bernie is a sheep herder there to defend and protect the corporate system.

I like Trump because they all hate him. Watching TDS idiots scream at the sky is rather hilarious. Trump failed to achieve America first, he failed to stop America interfering in other countries affairs but he didn't launch any new wars he stopped the CIA funding ISIS, something atleast.

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That CAN'T be true! / Re: Final evidence of a rigged election in 2020?

« on: Yesterday at 21:51:11 »

All the fake addresses would have had postal ballots created for them, what the post office did with them on realising there was no place to put them is a question.

You have made an unsubstantiated statement and asked a question. Please substantiate your statement and answer the question. If you are unable to do so, then my claim that the disgraced 45th president had his brain sucked out by an alien arse probe has equal validity. Particularly as he has never denied it.

Rather than ramble, why not directly ask the actual question you want answered?

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New Theories / Re: Where did covid 19 originate?

« on: Yesterday at 21:10:08 »

There is no evidence of the Corona Virus that evolved into covid19, in the surrounding area of wuhan.

How about a post on Chinese social media at the end of December 2019, mentioning a lot of patients with a mysterious respiratory disease?
- That is pretty clear evidence that it first reached epidemic contagiousness in the big city of Wuhan.
- The WHO team found evidence of 13 RNA variants circulating in Wuhan from early RNA sequences they were able to obtain. That points to a spillover that had been circulating for a couple of months (in humans and/or animals).

I agree that this evidence does not show in which geographical region the original spillover happened
- But then you try to claim that this same evidence shows that Fort Detrick was the source!

Evan, some people have been brainwashed into thinking that the USA is the source of all evil.

"The concept of being anti American is only a concept that exists in totalitarian states" Noam Chomsky  a few minutes in.

So they think that Covid-19 must have a US origin, such as Fort Detrick.

You can't argue with such people.  They won't accept anything you say.

Charles its simply one hypothesis, and a valid one. Fort Detrick had a leak FACT,  Fort Detrick was doing gain of function research into Bat Corona virus' FACT.
Fort Detrick was Closed in mid July 2019 due to the Leaks FACT. And there was an Outbreak of a Respiratory infections in a nursing home relatively near by Two weeks before the Base was closed.

The hypothesis, states maybe a Corona virus escaped from fort Detrick and over the next 3 to 4 months evolved into covid 19. Before coming to wuhan at the wuhan military games that October 3 months later.

Another leak hypothesis cites the wuhan lab as the source.

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New Theories / Re: Where did covid 19 originate?

« on: Yesterday at 21:05:08 »

Well against my better judgement.

Either in a ferret Badger population, or some other critter somewhere else in China or somewhere in the world

And then one of the ferret badgers got on a plane to Wuhan, and the rest is history.

You should write to the WHO, they might like this hypothesis of yours.

Afterall Fort Detrick is a military base, so any leak would effect the military first,

And it didn't.
An outbreak in a close community like that would have been spectacularly obvious.
It didn't happen.

Someone is forgetting that under the laboratory leak hypothesis,  what escaped the Lab wasn't Covid 19, but another Corona virus that evolved into Covid 19 after it escaped.

Anyone sick with a Corona virus that escaped wouldn't have Covid 19, as covid 19 would be a later evolution.

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New Theories / Re: Where did covid 19 originate?

« on: Yesterday at 19:10:56 »

In answer to the OP's question, Covid-19 originated from China.

Ok where is the evidence?

There is no evidence of the Corona Virus that evolved into covid19, in the surrounding area of wuhan.

So the intermediary what ever it was, was somewhere else. Either in a ferret Badger population, or some other critter somewhere else in China or somewhere in the world. Alternatively in a human population somewhere else in China or somewhere else in the world.

Or it's from a laboratory and either escaped from an accident or been released intentionally.

The population around fort Detrick could be an intermediary population. And the final evolved virus of covid19 arrived at wuhan in the wuhan military games in October 2019. Afterall Fort Detrick is a military base, so any leak would effect the military first,  American military personel could be the intermediary. one possible hypothesis. 

But having come straight out of wuhan, today seems highly unlikely, unless a biological weapons attack happened in wuhan or an international released by the people running the wuhan Lab.

The actions of the Laboratory in Wuhan are suspicious,  they destroyed data bases after the out break happened, have not shared their notes or opened the freezers for inspection. And the WHO team that looked at the lab were not equipped to do a full laboratory investigation.

The WHO team is now looking at ferret Badger steaks, that were sold at the local market. But they are not farmed in wuhan, ferret badgers amoung other critters are farmed all over Asia.