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Just Chat! / Re: Can science prove God exists?
« on: 30/03/2020 18:46:35 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 30/03/2020 18:38:54
Quote from: duffyd on 30/03/2020 18:37:47
Quote from: Bored chemist on 30/03/2020 18:31:59
Quote from: duffyd on 30/03/2020 18:21:30
rely upon scientific evidence and many other facts revealing God.
No such facts exist.
People may be mistaken about it.
Your opinion offered without substantive factual backing.
Have a look at the updated version.
The point s that  if such proof actually existed, it would be known to all.

How do you know that?

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Just Chat! / Re: Can science prove God exists?
« on: 30/03/2020 18:43:11 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 30/03/2020 18:31:59
No such facts exist.

Why do you make that claim? What facts prove you are right?

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Just Chat! / Re: Can science prove God exists?
« on: 30/03/2020 18:37:47 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 30/03/2020 18:31:59
Quote from: duffyd on 30/03/2020 18:21:30
rely upon scientific evidence and many other facts revealing God.
No such facts exist.
People may be mistaken about it.
Your opinion offered without substantive factual backing.

724
Just Chat! / Re: Can science prove God exists?
« on: 30/03/2020 18:35:31 »
Quote from: duffyd on 30/03/2020 18:28:53
Quote from: Bored chemist on 30/03/2020 18:20:26
Quote from: duffyd on 30/03/2020 18:06:10
Sin is not just what is committed or omitted. It is inbred, a condition within each of us
It sounds like the God is a twit.

Genesis 1:27
So God created man in his own image,

Oh, He is pure evil to many millions. That surprises you? They hated his guts. Still do. Hate. Murderous hatred. A large, vehement crowd, including many of society's most favored, demanded his blood. And they got it. John, his cousin, lost his head for calling sin, sin.
He promised they would kill him long before they did. Why? He addressed that, too. Men love darkness, he said. He told the elite of his day that they were plotting to murder him because they were the children of satan. They got pissed, to put it mildly. He communicated like no one else in history. He spoke clearly as someone who was from another world.

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Just Chat! / Re: Can science prove God exists?
« on: 30/03/2020 18:28:53 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 30/03/2020 18:20:26
Quote from: duffyd on 30/03/2020 18:06:10
Sin is not just what is committed or omitted. It is inbred, a condition within each of us
It sounds like the God is a twit.

Genesis 1:27
So God created man in his own image,

Oh, He is pure evil to many millions. That surprises you? They hated his guts. Still do. Hate. Murderous hatred. A large, vehement crowd, including many of society's most favored, demanded his blood. And they got it. John, his cousin, got it too, for calling sin, sin.

726
Just Chat! / Re: Can science prove God exists?
« on: 30/03/2020 18:21:30 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 30/03/2020 18:05:03
Quote from: duffyd on 30/03/2020 17:48:26
Or, what scientific data do you rely upon that proves they are all deluded?
That's not what I said.
Well, that's good. We agree. Rational, perfectly sane, well adjusted people interpret and rely upon scientific evidence and many other facts revealing God.

727
Just Chat! / Re: Can science prove God exists?
« on: 30/03/2020 18:06:10 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 30/03/2020 17:36:06
Quote from: duffyd on 30/03/2020 14:48:17
"Malice" is a legal term and God is not guilty of murder based on its definition.

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Malice is a legal term referring to a party's intention to do injury to another party.

So inflicting the plague of boils on Job, destroying Sodom and Gomorrah, The Flood, and every other recorded Act of God including the 230,000 deaths in the 2004 Sumatra tsunami were unintended? If your god isn't guilty of murder, he'd certainly be convicted of manslaughter.

"Every other recorded act..." Doubtful.
"Not having a god, I can't answer directly..." Yet, direct answers were proffered.
He is sovereign. Sin is not just what is committed or omitted. It is inbred, a condition within each of us and none has escaped. Children who perish transfer from this temporary shelter to an unending untarnished kingdom. 

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Just Chat! / Re: Can science prove God exists?
« on: 30/03/2020 17:48:26 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 30/03/2020 15:39:29
Quote from: duffyd on 30/03/2020 13:59:25
Science proves God exists to some people.
Do you mean in the sense that science also documents the fact that some deluded people think they are Queen Victoria?
It's true that the belief exists, but not true that they are a dead monarch.

Or are you trying to say that, to some people, science is proof of God?
Because that's just wrong.
Or are you trying to say that there is a group of people to whom science has proved the existence of God?
That's impossible.

1 no
2 no
3 sure, just as you are convinced they must be deluded even though you lack substantive evidence to draw that conclusion.  Or, what scientific data do you rely upon that proves they are all deluded?

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Just Chat! / Re: Can science prove God exists?
« on: 30/03/2020 14:48:17 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 30/03/2020 14:36:07
Quote from: duffyd on 30/03/2020 13:52:28
Can you cite examples when your god kills with malice aforethought?
Not having a god, I can't answer directly, but it is inconceivable that any omniscient and/or omnipotent deity would kill without forethought. Malice is a human judgement, but the imposition of anything from Job's plague of boils to the slow strangulation of cystic fibrosis or motor neurone disease would count as malicious in a court of law.
Not at all. Just the opposite. "Malice" is a legal term and God is not guilty of murder based on its definition. Whether you acknowledge God is or isn't has nothing to do with His status as your God.

730
Just Chat! / Re: Can science prove God exists?
« on: 30/03/2020 14:33:42 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 30/03/2020 12:04:00
Non sequitur. 
The existence of the sun is not evidence of my existence, let alone that of an invisible fairy.

It is relevant. I don't believe it is accurate to say it is non sequitur.

Absolutely. Never intended to use it as evidence for an invisible fairy.

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Just Chat! / Re: Can science prove God exists?
« on: 30/03/2020 13:59:25 »
Quote from: davidwilliams on 25/06/2019 11:45:15
Why hasn't science been able to prove the existence of God? I was A2A on a question about turning into an atheist at 13 years of age. It bothered me deeply and I came to question my own beliefs. I'm at a crossroad. Help me through logical answers.

Science proves God exists to some people. Others find Him through childlike certainty. Some find Him at the end of a long painful journey into hell. Some cannot be convinced. Some ask Him directly if He is and become believers through the response they receive.

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Just Chat! / Re: Can science prove God exists?
« on: 30/03/2020 13:52:28 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 30/03/2020 12:47:37
Quote from: CliveG on 30/03/2020 10:35:16
How on Earth do you come to the conclusion that I am happy for people to die.
Well, you don't seem at all upset about it.
Quote from: CliveG on 30/03/2020 10:35:16
In what way do I glorify it.
I don't know. But my guess is that you get up on Sunday + go to church to worship the biggest mass murderer we have ever known.

At any rate, you don't say we should despise Him for His actions.

Can you cite examples when your god kills with malice aforethought?

733
Just Chat! / Re: Can science prove God exists?
« on: 30/03/2020 13:46:34 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 30/03/2020 12:44:15
Quote from: duffyd on 30/03/2020 11:17:46
Quote from: alancalverd on 30/03/2020 09:04:22
Duffyd: Nice to get back on topic. Please state the observables that can only be ascribed to your god. If your god is not the omnipotent, omniscient and anthropic creator of the universe (i.e. the familiar Judaeo-Christian-Islamic deity), please define its functionality.

Look to the sun.
I can't see it, because it's overcast.
Does that mean God ceased to be?
When it is nighttime? During an eclipse? If it gets cold?

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Just Chat! / Re: Can science prove God exists?
« on: 30/03/2020 11:17:46 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 30/03/2020 09:04:22
Duffyd: Nice to get back on topic. Please state the observables that can only be ascribed to your god. If your god is not the omnipotent, omniscient and anthropic creator of the universe (i.e. the familiar Judaeo-Christian-Islamic deity), please define its functionality.

Look to the sun.

735
Just Chat! / Re: Can science prove God exists?
« on: 30/03/2020 00:01:14 »
Quote from: davidwilliams on 25/06/2019 11:45:15
Why hasn't science been able to prove the existence of God? I was A2A on a question about turning into an atheist at 13 years of age. It bothered me deeply and I came to question my own beliefs. I'm at a crossroad. Help me through logical answers.
Your first question, "Can science prove God exists?" indicates you don't know the answer or you are open to finding out. Your second question, "Why hasn't science been able to prove the existence of God?", answers your first question definitively.
Why are you convinced that science has not proven that God exists? How, specifically, has science failed to present sound reasons for the reality that God is? What would serve to prove that God does or doesn't exist, ie. which set of facts, data, information, scientifically informs your opinion pro or con?

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