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Title: Rosalind Frankin, discovered the Single DNA Helix Structure She's family too!
Post by: rosalind dna on 25/02/2008 12:36:59
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Rosalind Franklin, who is a first cousin to Rosalind DNA aka Sally, she was a research scientist and bio-physicist at University College, London with 3 other scientists working in the same field of crystallography diffraction X-ray research science.

She took this in 1953 and they were some of the contributing factors to her early death in 1958 at only 37, where the fact that her Single DNA Helix Structure work was taken/stolen from also all of the X-Ray work she had used caused her ovarian cancer which was discovered in 1956 by a French doctor.

I was only 4years old when she died and this is one of my main regrets is that I never met her.
Although I have always been fascinated by her work since my childhood and as I get older then I have become more aware of my familyís history mainly of my cousin.
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She had 3 brothers, Roland, David, both deceased and Colin also Jennifer Glynn, who is a scientific writer too. It is her sister, who is still responsible for looking and contributing most of her photos, work as her executor which youíll see on the Google Images site.
Her father, Ellis Franklin wanted to be a scientist but he didnít have qualifications to be a scientist either, there was a big family row, which caused a rift between her and her father. They didnít speak for ages

Rosalind Franklin, who discovered the single Helix DNA Structure and was a diffraction crystallographer research scientist, also her earlier work was researching into the holes into coal and the tobacco mosaic viruses before taking her first ever now In-famous Diffraction Slide 51 of the Single Helix Structure DNA photo.
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Secret of photo 51

Left: the principle behind X-ray diffraction crystallography:

The photograph that Watson and Crick found invaluable in elucidating the structure of DNA is known as 'Photograph 51'. The photograph is the result of X-ray diffraction work carried out by Rosalind while at King's College London in the early part of the 1950s. X-ray diffraction crystallography involves the passing of X-rays through crystal structures. X-rays will appear as dark areas on a photographic plate, so as they are scattered by a crystal as they will produce characteristic patterns on the plate. The actual displacement/scattering of the x-rays is caused by electrons, a constituent part of all atoms, and so the patterns on the plate will be particular to the exact orientation of those atoms within the crystal structure. For this reason X-ray diffraction crystallography is an extremely powerful tool in extrapolating the structure of molecules.

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She took this slide in 1953, but when James Watson, Frances Crick, took this Slide from Rosalind Franklinís drawer in the lab when they recognised the Diffraction Crystallography Structure which they rejoiced at seeing by marching into their local pub, saying it was their own work.

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The photograph that Watson and Crick found invaluable in elucidating the structure of DNA is known as 'Photograph 51'. The photograph is the result of X-ray diffraction work carried out by Rosalind while at King's College London in the early part of the 1950s. X-ray diffraction crystallography involves the passing of X-rays through crystal structures. X-rays will appear as dark areas on a photographic plate, so as they are scattered by a crystal they will produce characteristic patterns on the plate. The actual displacement/scattering of the x-rays is caused by electrons, a constituent part of all atoms, and so the patterns on the plate will be particular to the exact orientation of those atoms within the crystal structure. For this reason X-ray diffraction crystallography is an extremely powerful tool in extrapolating the structure of molecules
In 1962 James Watson, Frances Crick, Linus Pauling and Maurice Wilkins altogether won the Nobel Prize for Science, because it is never given posthumously (after death), so that Rosalind missed out on the much deserved credit that she should have received

This is something to think on that had Rosalind not died that she should have gained some fame for the discovery of the Double Helix Structure of DNA, even acknowledgement by winning the Nobel Prize for Science.
But this was not possible as her work was stolen out of her lab drawer at the University College, London.

Much to my familyís deep regret, when James Watson and Frances Crick brought out their autobiographies then they never credited but ignored her, for which my father sued them both when their separate autobiographies came out to correct this, which Francis Crick did in the early 1990s, but barely credited her work.

Having called her as nothing better than tea lady also named her by the one name that she detested the most, which was Rosy. Also that she was a grumpy and un-cooperative woman, but this was different from her real character as yes like me she stood her ground but was very co-operative with her fellow scientists, but they were the opposite.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/documentaries/features/rosalind-franklin.shtml This is by her nephew, Stephen Franklin. Also I never met him either.

This is a link to the coal mosaic holes data she was involved in
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colloid

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/1734694.stm

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/photo51/anat-flash.html
this is the actual slide link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photo_51
This is very slide 51.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_sequencing#Early_methods

http://profiles.nlm.nih.gov/KR/

http://osulibrary.orst.edu/specialcollections/coll/pauling/dna/notes/franklin-pg01-xl.html

(This took me roughly  2 months to research and get as perfect as I can)

Any questions or answers, conmments that you may have, I will do my best to respond.
Title: Rosalind Frankin, discovered the Single DNA Helix Structure She's family too!
Post by: rosalind dna on 27/02/2008 20:44:14
http://nobelprize.org/educational_games/medicine/dna_double_helix/readmore.html 

Something that I discovered only recenlty was that Rosalind Frankin might have been nominated for a possible Nobel Prize for Chemistry with Maurice Wilkins
but we won't find out this until the organisation open their nomination archives,

I will follow all year through and let you know what or if anything is revealed
for the good I hope anyway that Dr Franklin was nominated. I hope that she was.
Title: Rosalind Frankin, discovered the Single DNA Helix Structure She's family too!
Post by: turnipsock on 27/02/2008 23:00:58
I'm not sure Maurice Wilkins won his Nobel prize for Chemistry, this was a £250,000 question on Millionaire.
Title: Rosalind Frankin, discovered the Single DNA Helix Structure She's family too!
Post by: neilep on 18/03/2008 00:39:21
AWESOME POST !!

Thank you for taking the time and trouble to post all this.Your pride reigns.......and I can see why...........and agree why too.

My word....your research took a while !!...are you always finding new information ?...it must feel good when you do !!

Title: Rosalind Frankin, discovered the Single DNA Helix Structure She's family too!
Post by: rosalind dna on 18/03/2008 20:26:48
http://www.npg.org.uk/live/search/portrait.asp?search=ss&sText=Rosalind+Franklin&LinkID=mp58704&rNo=0&role=sit

http://www.newn.cam.ac.uk/about/bio_rosalindfranklin.shtml

Hugh Arthur Frankin was a relative as well and he was a male suffragist, who had horsewhipped Winston Churchill also burnt his train carriage all to campaign for votes for womean and he was imnprisoned 6 times but he was force-fed   100 times.

http://www.archiveshub.ac.uk/news/0601franklin.html
Title: Rosalind Frankin, discovered the Single DNA Helix Structure She's family too!
Post by: neilep on 18/03/2008 21:13:41
Oh My  !!!


Your family are revolutionary rebelling scientific peeps who just won't stand still.

THANK you for this fascinating insight into the lives of these amazing people.
Title: Rosalind Frankin, discovered the Single DNA Helix Structure She's family too!
Post by: rosalind dna on 01/04/2008 00:25:26
Also there is a whole University in the name of Rosalind Franklin in Chicago, USA. Also in Cambride, UK where TNS comes from there is a building in her name too. Also in Kings College, London there's a whole building dedicated called the Wilkins and Franklin buiding..
http://www.lifeindiscovery.com/whyrosalindfranklin/index.html
http://www.lifeindiscovery.com/

Does The Naked Scientists show come from this building or what do you know about it?

Title: Rosalind Frankin, discovered the Single DNA Helix Structure She's family too!
Post by: rosalind dna on 08/05/2008 11:29:01
Last month was the 50th Anniversary of Rosalind Frankin's death on
16th April 1958. Thinking about that it made me sad then.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/science/thematerialworld_20080410.shtml

Title: Rosalind Frankin, discovered the Single DNA Helix Structure She's family too!
Post by: Andrew K Fletcher on 08/05/2008 19:28:27
I admire your tenacity for justice. I heard a saying a few days ago as a joke with serious undertones. It went something like this: "you are a no good thieving lying treacherous backstabbing low life academic murderer " The reply was Hang on a minute, I have not murdered anyone yet. So I guess itís not unusual for plagiarism to rear itís ugly head from people incapable of an original thought.

Keep going and donít let them bury this disgusting betrayal of a magnificent minded fellow researcher.
 


Wilkins, in a very revealing note to Crick on March 7, 1953, wrote: "I think you will be interested to know that our dark lady (Franklin) leaves us next week... at last the decks are clear and we can put all hands to the pumps! It won't be long now. M."
      However, Wilkins who had betrayed Franklin was now betrayed by Crick and Watson who QUICKLY sent their announcement letter on the discovery of the DNA helix to a scientific journal - without mentioning him (or Franklin).
      In a breach of confidence of some sort, the announcement letter was leaked to Wilkins who had a chance to get in his claim - still leaving out Franklin.
      A beyond-reproach-prestigious scientist who has reviewed Franklin's DNA lab books from March 1953 states that she was quite close to solving the DNA structure - actually having taken photographs of its internal structure.

Watson recently made the following obfuscatory statement recently at Harvard:
      "There's a myth which is that, you know, that Francis (Crick) and I basically stole the structure from the people at King's. I was shown Rosalind Franklin's X-ray photograph and 'Whooo! That was a helix!', and a month later, we had the structure; and [that] Wilkins should never have shown me the thing. I didn't go into the drawer and steal it. It was shown to me, and I was told the dimensions, a repeat of 34 angstroms, so, you know, I knew roughly what it meant and it was that the Franklin photograph was the key event... psychologically, it mobilized us back into action.
      "The truth is that we should have got the structure in the fall of '51 (rather than 53). There was enough data. We wouldn't have been able to say with finality that it was right because, uh, that came with Rosalind's X-ray work, that was the proof it was right... first slide. Oh, there..."
      And at that point, Franklin's Photograph 51 went up on the screen. Indeed, what else could anyone say?
http://www.thelizlibrary.org/undelete/woa/woa07-25.html
Title: Rosalind Frankin, discovered the Single DNA Helix Structure She's family too!
Post by: rosalind dna on 08/05/2008 23:56:44
I have the tenacity and strong will to defend my first cousin for as
long as takes or I live.
Her name is better recognised now than is Crick, Watson. Linus Pauling and Maurice Wilkins. Only Sir Aaron Klug do I have a wee bit
of respect for as he had said on live radio that went on the web
that she would have got the Double Helix DNA if her work had not
been taken. But it was stolen and no it is not myth.
Unless all of the sites I have studied have said as much also she
died from          Ovarian Cancer not cervical.
Have a look at these interesting sites/papers.

http://osulibrary.orst.edu/specialcollections/coll/pauling/dna/pictures/franklin-typeBphoto.jpg
(sorry I don't know how to do a hyperlink yet)
Title: Rosalind Frankin, discovered the Single DNA Helix Structure She's family too!
Post by: iko on 11/05/2008 17:20:30
I must thank you for the detailed information in this thread.
Even knowing the story of Rosalind Franklin's stolen discovery a bit, you made me read and search more.
Times are changing slowly, nevertheless I'm always so proud when I think of our 1986 Nobel Prize (Physiol.&Med.)
She IS a woman.
Title: Rosalind Frankin, discovered the Single DNA Helix Structure She's family too!
Post by: rosalind dna on 12/05/2008 12:43:40
Thank you very much, Iko and that has made me happy to know that
you know more about Rosalind Franklin. I know just where to find
the best sites. Pity she died but if she hadn't then she'd have
been 88 this year. Older than my Dad !!
Title: Rosalind Frankin, discovered the Single DNA Helix Structure She's family too!
Post by: rosalind dna on 13/05/2008 22:55:14
Just found this one and I think that it's sort of relevant.

http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=12.0
Title: Rosalind Frankin, discovered the Single DNA Helix Structure She's family too!
Post by: rosalind dna on 30/05/2008 12:53:15
I have just found out that I have 3 relatives, who were involved in the Bletchley Park's Breaking of the Enigma Code in the Second World War.
It saved a lot of lives for the Merchant seamen, who brought the goods (food) to the UK and for the Royal Navy also the RAF and the Army too. It shortened the war in Europe too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bletchley_Park


Update: I have been to this wonderful place Bletchley Park and due to their fascinating, mathematical, decoding and cryptanalyalitical work.

Including the very first electronic computer that has since been rebuilt.
The Colossus machine. It was made by a brilliant Electronic telephone engineer Tommy Flowers and the main work was of course done by the Superb Mathematician
Alan Turing. Plus others.

There was a machine that the Poles made and named as the Bombe, it was another decoding machine which takes up a whole room to work as does the Colossus computer/machine, but the Enigma machine is the size of an old manual typewriter.

The WRENS did a lot of the work and kept the whole thing secret until it started to come out during the late 1980s. The rest is history but I have not forgotten any of it and I saw it nearly 2 weeks ago

WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

 
Title: Rosalind Frankin, discovered the Single DNA Helix Structure She's family too!
Post by: blakestyger on 14/07/2008 18:59:49
I read somewhere years ago that Linus Pauling missed the boat completely with his structure model because he omitted the vital bit that makes DNA an acid - the replaceable hydrogen.

[::)]
Title: Rosalind Frankin, discovered the Single DNA Helix Structure She's family too!
Post by: rosalind dna on 14/07/2008 19:50:55
http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/chemistry/laureates/1954/pauling-bio.html
http://search.nobelprize.org/search/nobel/?q=Linus+Pauling&i=en

He was awarded the Nobel Prize for chemistry twice and the 1st time
was 1954 and then again with the other men, Crick, Watson and Wilkins in 1962.

I know that DNA is an acid - Deoxyribonucleic acid

If you can recall where you saw that article, I'd be interested in it.
Title: Rosalind Frankin, discovered the Single DNA Helix Structure She's family too!
Post by: rosalind dna on 15/08/2008 15:58:06
Next year, 2009 there will be a film called "the Broken Code" about Rosalind Franklin and it's
from a book by her friend Anne Sayre.
Peter Bogdanovich (sp) us the guy behind it. Yes I'll go to see it.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0794266/
Title: Rosalind Frankin, discovered the Single DNA Helix Structure She's family too!
Post by: stevewillie on 31/08/2008 21:30:07
Right on about Rosalind. In my book "A Reality Beyond Science", I give Dr.Franklin full credit along with other major scientists who were denied recognition in the their lifetimes (p90) such as Mendel (laws of heredity), Wegener (continental drift) and Galois (algebraic theory of groups).
Title: Rosalind Frankin, discovered the Single DNA Helix Structure She's family too!
Post by: neilep on 01/09/2008 02:36:11
FANTASTIC news about the film and also the full credit given in the above mentioned book.
Title: Rosalind Frankin, discovered the Single DNA Helix Structure She's family too!
Post by: rosalind dna on 01/09/2008 23:05:37
Hi Steve that is true credit and it makes me so happy.

I will try to get your book out of the library one day.

Dr. Rosalind Franklin was an un-recognised woman in her day
but now she's more famous than the late Crick and Watson.


Title: Rosalind Frankin, discovered the Single DNA Helix Structure She's family too!
Post by: stevewillie on 02/09/2008 10:10:02
Hi Rosalind dna.

My book is only available on Amazon right now (print on demand)including on Kindle books. There's another book by Brenda Maddox entitled "Rosalind Franklin: The Dark Lady of DNA" Harper Collins, London 2002.   
Title: Rosalind Frankin, discovered the Single DNA Helix Structure She's family too!
Post by: rosalind dna on 02/09/2008 14:51:02
Hi Rosalind dna.

My book is only available on Amazon right now (print on demand)including on Kindle books. There's another book by Brenda Maddox entitled "Rosalind Franklin: The Dark Lady of DNA" Harper Collins, London 2002.  

Steve thanks but I already have that book about Rosalind Franklin - The Dark of DNA by Brenda Maddox, a signed copy in fact. lol.

Also it was Frances Crick, who gave the derogatory title of th
Dark Lady.

As know that it was Rosalind Franklin, who'd done the initial DNA work with the Single DNA helix structures photo/slides.

But with water in DNA's sugar and Watson had seen her lecture
but (lol) mis-wrote down the facts.

I looked for your book on Google first then Amazon last night,
but I was in a rush.
Title: Rosalind Frankin, discovered the Single DNA Helix Structure She's family too!
Post by: IanPhillips on 07/09/2008 11:59:16
Just a correction on your Linus Pauling info. He was awarded two Nobel Prizes but only 1 for Chemistry the other was the Peace prize. Only one man has been awarded two Chemistry prizes and that's Frederick Sanger
Title: Rosalind Frankin, discovered the Single DNA Helix Structure She's family too!
Post by: rosalind dna on 07/09/2008 12:03:34
Just a correction on your Linus Pauling info. He was awarded two Nobel Prizes but only 1 for Chemistry the other was the Peace prize. Only one man has been awarded two Chemistry prizes and that's Frederick Sanger

Welcome Ian and that's right about Linus Pauling but he got his Nobel Prizes for Chemistry in 1952.
Title: Rosalind Frankin, discovered the Single DNA Helix Structure She's family too!
Post by: rosalind dna on 15/10/2008 13:48:48
I was told yesterday that Rosalind's father made her burial and grave very Jewish even though as she had fallen out with her father also she'd lapsed her Jewish faith.
She'd have been annoyed at her gravestone's inscription.


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Title: Rosalind Frankin, discovered the Single DNA Helix Structure She's family too!
Post by: rosalind dna on 05/02/2009 18:17:54
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Rosalind Franklin, who is a first cousin to Rosalind DNA aka Sally, she was a research scientist and bio-physicist at University College, London with 3 other scientists working in the same field of crystallography diffraction X-ray research science.

She took this in 1953 and they were some of the contributing factors to her early death in 1958 at only 37, where the fact that her Single DNA Helix Structure work was taken/stolen from also all of the X-Ray work she had used caused her ovarian cancer which was discovered in 1956 by a French doctor.

I was only 4years old when she died and this is one of my main regrets is that I never met her.
Although I have always been fascinated by her work since my childhood and as I get older then I have become more aware of my familyís history mainly of my cousin.
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She had 3 brothers, Roland, David, both deceased and Colin also Jennifer Glynn, who is a scientific writer too. It is her sister, who is still responsible for looking and contributing most of her photos, work as her executor which youíll see on the Google Images site.
Her father, Ellis Franklin wanted to be a scientist but he didnít have qualifications to be a scientist either, there was a big family row, which caused a rift between her and her father. They didnít speak for ages

Rosalind Franklin, who discovered the single Helix DNA Structure and was a diffraction crystallographer research scientist, also her earlier work was researching into the holes into coal and the tobacco mosaic viruses before taking her first ever now In-famous Diffraction Slide 51 of the Single Helix Structure DNA photo.

Secret of photo 51
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Left: the principle behind X-ray diffraction crystallography:

The photograph that Watson and Crick found invaluable in elucidating the structure of DNA is known as 'Photograph 51'. The photograph is the result of X-ray diffraction work carried out by Rosalind while at King's College London in the early part of the 1950s. X-ray diffraction crystallography involves the passing of X-rays through crystal structures. X-rays will appear as dark areas on a photographic plate, so as they are scattered by a crystal as they will produce characteristic patterns on the plate. The actual displacement/scattering of the x-rays is caused by electrons, a constituent part of all atoms, and so the patterns on the plate will be particular to the exact orientation of those atoms within the crystal structure. For this reason X-ray diffraction crystallography is an extremely powerful tool in extrapolating the structure of molecules.


She took this slide in 1953, but when James Watson, Frances Crick, took this Slide from Rosalind Franklinís drawer in the lab when they recognised the Diffraction Crystallography Structure which they rejoiced at seeing by marching into their local pub, saying it was their own work.

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The photograph that Watson and Crick found invaluable in elucidating the structure of DNA is known as 'Photograph 51'. The photograph is the result of X-ray diffraction work carried out by Rosalind while at King's College London in the early part of the 1950s. X-ray diffraction crystallography involves the passing of X-rays through crystal structures. X-rays will appear as dark areas on a photographic plate, so as they are scattered by a crystal they will produce characteristic patterns on the plate. The actual displacement/scattering of the x-rays is caused by electrons, a constituent part of all atoms, and so the patterns on the plate will be particular to the exact orientation of those atoms within the crystal structure. For this reason X-ray diffraction crystallography is an extremely powerful tool in extrapolating the structure of molecules
In 1962 James Watson, Frances Crick, Linus Pauling and Maurice Wilkins altogether won the Nobel Prize for Science, because it is never given posthumously (after death), so that Rosalind missed out on the much deserved credit that she should have received

This is something to think on that had Rosalind not died that she should have gained some fame for the discovery of the Double Helix Structure of DNA, even acknowledgement by winning the Nobel Prize for Science.
But this was not possible as her work was stolen out of her lab drawer at the University College, London.

Much to my familyís deep regret, when James Watson and Frances Crick brought out their autobiographies then they never credited but ignored her, for which my father sued them both when their separate autobiographies came out to correct this, which Francis Crick did in the early 1990s, but barely credited her work.

Having called her as nothing better than tea lady also named her by the one name that she detested the most, which was Rosy. Also that she was a grumpy and un-cooperative woman, but this was different from her real character as yes like me she stood her ground but was very co-operative with her fellow scientists, but they were the opposite.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/documentaries/features/rosalind-franklin.shtml This is by her nephew, Stephen Franklin. Also I never met him either.

This is a link to the coal mosaic holes data she was involved in
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colloid

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/1734694.stm

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/photo51/anat-flash.html
this is the actual slide link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photo_51
This is very slide 51.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_sequencing#Early_methods

http://profiles.nlm.nih.gov/KR/

http://osulibrary.orst.edu/specialcollections/coll/pauling/dna/notes/franklin-pg01-xl.html

(This took me roughly  2 months to research and get as perfect as I can)

Any questions or answers, conmments that you may have, I will do my best to respond.
Title: Rosalind Frankin, discovered the Single DNA Helix Structure She's family too!
Post by: Karen W. on 06/02/2009 00:50:26
Welcome back Home Rosalind! Nice to see you!
Title: Rosalind Frankin, discovered the Single DNA Helix Structure She's family too!
Post by: rosalind dna on 23/02/2009 12:39:45
I am still researching into my family tree and have found several spies in the family although
not my branch of it or Rosalind Franklin's either.

Also Ivor Montagu had worked with Hitchcock as a producer, critic.
Sportsman too. Who also worked for the Royal College of Science in Zoology,
Yes, it is fascinating.
Title: Rosalind Frankin, discovered the Single DNA Helix Structure She's family too!
Post by: Karen W. on 25/02/2009 08:31:49
I am glad you are still progressing on your family tree Rosalind!

We have found some real  interesting characters in our past family tree information! LOL It is all fascinating!

Good for you continuing on!
Title: Rosalind Frankin, discovered the Single DNA Helix Structure She's family too!
Post by: rosalind dna on 25/02/2009 14:33:46
I am glad you are still progressing on your family tree Rosalind!

We have found some real  interesting characters in our past family tree information! LOL It is all fascinating!

Good for you continuing on!

Karen thanks for your support and I'd been thinking of giving up a few weeks ago, but
something told me not to stop. Can't remember what though.

Title: Rosalind Frankin, discovered the Single DNA Helix Structure She's family too!
Post by: Karen W. on 26/02/2009 05:30:41
I've been there and I am glad you did not give up!
Its a lot of work but you learn some really cool stuff!
Title: Rosalind Frankin, discovered the Single DNA Helix Structure She's family too!
Post by: rosalind dna on 26/02/2009 11:36:30
I've been tere and I am glad you did not give up!
Its a lot of work but you learn some really cool stuff!

Karen yes I know about that feeling whether or not to give up with the genealogy project/work
but then again. I am pleased that I didn't so some days I give it a rest instead of
doing it so intensely.

I have already learnt loads of cool and interesting stuff/facts with more to come I hope.
Easy bit will be asking my close family.
Title: Rosalind Frankin, discovered the Single DNA Helix Structure She's family too!
Post by: Karen W. on 26/02/2009 12:18:35
It is a lot of hard tedious work but as you say lots of interesting..stuff.

It is good to take breaks and keep it fun and enjoyable.
Title: Rosalind Frankin, discovered the Single DNA Helix Structure She's family too!
Post by: rosalind dna on 26/02/2009 15:27:44
It is a lot of hard tedious work but as you say lots of interesting..stuff.

It is good to take breaks and keep it fun and enjoyable.

Karen yes and now I wish that I had thought of that last year, oh well hindsight is useless.

Learning is GREAT.  [:)]
Title: Rosalind Frankin, discovered the Single DNA Helix Structure She's family too!
Post by: Raghavendra on 26/03/2009 06:53:08
http://nobelprize.org/educational_games/medicine/dna_double_helix/readmore.html 

Something that I discovered only recenlty was that Rosalind Frankin might have been nominated for a possible Nobel Prize for Chemistry with Maurice Wilkins
but we won't find out this until the organisation open their nomination archives,

I will follow all year through and let you know what or if anything is revealed
for the good I hope anyway that Dr Franklin was nominated. I hope that she was.


 good piece of Information.. I am too sad!!!  she would have got nobel
Title: Rosalind Frankin, discovered the Single DNA Helix Structure She's family too!
Post by: Phil1907 on 26/03/2009 09:07:58
Perhaps you might try to accomplish something on your own rather than sucking off the memory of your relatives.
Title: Rosalind Frankin, discovered the Single DNA Helix Structure She's family too!
Post by: rosalind dna on 26/03/2009 17:54:36
http://nobelprize.org/educational_games/medicine/dna_double_helix/readmore.html 

Something that I discovered only recenlty was that Rosalind Frankin might have been nominated for a possible Nobel Prize for Chemistry with Maurice Wilkins
but we won't find out this until the organisation open their nomination archives,

I will follow all year through and let you know what or if anything is revealed
for the good I hope anyway that Dr Franklin was nominated. I hope that she was.


 good piece of Information.. I am too sad!!!  she would have got nobel

Thank you, Raghavendra, but don't be too sad, now Rosalind Franklin is better
known than Crick, Watson, Linus Pauling and Wilkins that's good.

Quote
Phil1907
Perhaps you might try to accomplish something on your own rather than sucking off the memory of your relatives.

Phill I am researching the whole of my big family tree and it's  project that
I am doing for myself. As to your reference to my family I don't like it.
Remember what Rosalind Franklin has done for the world and as have other members of our families I reckon.   [???]

Title: Rosalind Frankin, discovered the Single DNA Helix Structure She's family too!
Post by: rosalind dna on 06/04/2009 11:39:11
My present distant relative I'm researching, Edwin Samuel Montagu
knew a lot of well-known people like Churchill, Asquith, Ghandi,
also he was a contributer to the Balfour Declaration for Palestine in 1917.
 [:)]

I am having so much educational fun and I might even get stuck with
science stuff then I know which wonderful board to come to for advice/help
 [:)]

Yes The Naked Scientists, who else !!!!!!!!!!

Thanks Karen for encouraging me.  [:)]
Title: Rosalind Frankin, discovered the Single DNA Helix Structure She's family too!
Post by: Raghavendra on 07/04/2009 11:25:00
Karen will always encourage,she is always cool
Title: Rosalind Frankin, discovered the Single DNA Helix Structure She's family too!
Post by: rosalind dna on 07/04/2009 14:48:48
Karen will always encourage,she is always cool
Raghavendra Yes I agree, Karen is always Cool !!!!!!!!!
so are you
Title: Rosalind Frankin, discovered the Single DNA Helix Structure She's family too!
Post by: Karen W. on 08/04/2009 00:58:51
My present distant relative I'm researching, Edwin Samuel Montagu
knew a lot of well-known people like Churchill, Asquith, Ghandi,
also he was a contributer to the Balfour Declaration for Palestine in 1917.
 [:)]

I am having so much educational fun and I might even get stuck with
science stuff then I know which wonderful board to come to for advice/help
 [:)]

Yes The Naked Scientists, who else !!!!!!!!!!

Thanks Karen for encouraging me.  [:)]


Your welcome Rosalind... I hope you have tons of fun learning so many cool things about your family!

I think it is absolutely fascinating!
Title: Rosalind Frankin, discovered the Single DNA Helix Structure She's family too!
Post by: Karen W. on 08/04/2009 01:01:08
Karen will always encourage,she is always cool
Karen will always encourage,she is always cool
Raghavendra Yes I agree, Karen is always Cool !!!!!!!!!
so are you

Thanks Ragavandra, and Rosalind.. give yourselves credit for determination as well as dedication to learning and research!
Title: Rosalind Frankin, discovered the Single DNA Helix Structure She's family too!
Post by: Karen W. on 08/04/2009 01:04:31
It is a lot of hard tedious work but as you say lots of interesting..stuff.

It is good to take breaks and keep it fun and enjoyable.

Karen yes and now I wish that I had thought of that last year, oh well hindsight is useless.

Learning is GREAT.  [:)]

Yes it is Rosalind. I am glad you have found yourself the right pace with which to conduct your research and learn.
Title: Rosalind Frankin, discovered the Single DNA Helix Structure She's family too!
Post by: Karen W. on 08/04/2009 01:09:30
My present distant relative I'm researching, Edwin Samuel Montagu
knew a lot of well-known people like Churchill, Asquith, Ghandi,
also he was a contributer to the Balfour Declaration for Palestine in 1917.
 [:)]

I am having so much educational fun and I might even get stuck with
science stuff then I know which wonderful board to come to for advice/help
 [:)]

Yes The Naked Scientists, who else !!!!!!!!!!

Thanks Karen for encouraging me.  [:)]


Your welcome Rosalind! It sounds like incredible history you are exploring... Wonderful!!
Title: Rosalind Frankin, discovered the Single DNA Helix Structure She's family too!
Post by: Raghavendra on 09/04/2009 07:36:35
Ya.
Title: Rosalind Frankin, discovered the Single DNA Helix Structure She's family too!
Post by: BenV on 20/04/2009 16:19:11
Perhaps you might try to accomplish something on your own rather than sucking off the memory of your relatives.
What an horrendously tactless remark.  I think it's fairly obvious to anyone that has read this thread that Rosalind is proud of her family and sharing the interesting things she finds as she researches them.  Your comment adds nothing but bad feeling to this thread.

Please try to be a little more tactful, and perhaps more friendly in future.
Title: Rosalind Frankin, discovered the Single DNA Helix Structure She's family too!
Post by: Karen W. on 20/04/2009 21:34:52
Perhaps you might try to accomplish something on your own rather than sucking off the memory of your relatives.
What an horrendously tactless remark.  I think it's fairly obvious to anyone that has read this thread that Rosalind is proud of her family and sharing the interesting things she finds as she researches them.  Your comment adds nothing but bad feeling to this thread.

Please try to be a little more tactful, and perhaps more friendly in future.

Thanks for Posting tha Ben..I am sorry to say That I missed that post!

 I agree with you and Think it was quite an insulting comment and in poor taste to say the least!

I am proud of Rosalinds politeness in reply to your hurtful comment and am tickled pink that she is learning about her family and taking an active roll in keeping her relatives  accomplishments alive.. this is ruely how we all live on through eternity.. in the pride and joy and memories we pass down to our families... Truely a wonderful hereritage she has and with good reason to feel pride in her lineage....
Bravo Rosalind... and thanks Ben for the heads up...
I do apoligise for not seeing that post Rosalind...
If I had I too would have resonded sooner... I am sorry!

This is a good positive thread so lets keep it that way!

 
Title: Rosalind Frankin, discovered the Single DNA Helix Structure She's family too!
Post by: Chemistry4me on 21/04/2009 03:36:41
Perhaps you might try to accomplish something on your own rather than sucking off the memory of your relatives.
(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fbestsmileys.com%2Fcrying%2F8.gif&hash=26aba8916cc5ed4393bdb216963bfa14)(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fbestsmileys.com%2Fcrying%2F8.gif&hash=26aba8916cc5ed4393bdb216963bfa14)

Okay, I'll do that!
Title: Rosalind Frankin, discovered the Single DNA Helix Structure She's family too!
Post by: rosalind dna on 21/04/2009 10:02:43
Perhaps you might try to accomplish something on your own rather than sucking off the memory of your relatives.
What an horrendously tactless remark.  I think it's fairly obvious to anyone that has read this thread that Rosalind is proud of her family and sharing the interesting things she finds as she researches them.  Your comment adds nothing but bad feeling to this thread.

Please try to be a little more tactful, and perhaps more friendly in future.

Thanks for Posting tha Ben..I am sorry to say That I missed that post!

 I agree with you and Think it was quite an insulting comment and in poor taste to say the least!

I am proud of Rosalinds politeness in reply to your hurtful comment and am tickled pink that she is learning about her family and taking an active roll in keeping her relatives  accomplishments alive.. this is ruely how we all live on through eternity.. in the pride and joy and memories we pass down to our families... Truely a wonderful hereritage she has and with good reason to feel pride in her lineage....
Bravo Rosalind... and thanks Ben for the heads up...
I do apoligise for not seeing that post Rosalind...
If I had I too would have resonded sooner... I am sorry!

This is a good positive thread so lets keep it that way!

 

Thank Ben and Karen, somehow I missed that post. I don't know why or how.

Karen that's nice of you to say it's a positive thread. It's appreciated loads.

I have had contact from someone all due to this thread and they are writing a book about
Women Scientists which surprised but pleased me loads.  [:)]

Ok Phil
Title: Rosalind Frankin, discovered the Single DNA Helix Structure She's family too!
Post by: 112inky on 06/05/2009 16:05:54
THANK you for this information of the lives of these amazing people.
 
 
Title: Rosalind Frankin, discovered the Single DNA Helix Structure She's family too!
Post by: rosalind dna on 06/05/2009 19:30:00
THANK you for this information of the lives of these amazing people.
 
 

112inky it's a pleasure to share my knowledge about Rosalind Franklin and the other relatives I've mentioned then I'm proud of her achievements which are now recognised more than they were in the
1950s.  [;D]
Title: Rosalind Frankin, discovered the Single DNA Helix Structure She's family too!
Post by: rosalind dna on 13/06/2009 22:35:18
I have recently found a distant (late) relative who worked in the last war, WW2 for the "SoE" Special Operations Executive as a Spy !!!

Wow and he's not the only spy in the family. His name was/is
Hon. Lionel Samuel Montagu, youngest child and youngest son of
HOn. Samuel Montagu, 1st baronet Swaythling, Hampshire UK.