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« on: 14/10/2007 19:07:16 »
the other week I had the hard drive wiped on one of my laptops, well after reinstalling windows and other stuff, I am left with no sound drivers, so no audio...that I can live with. But, what is annoying the life out of me, is that I now have an American keyboard!

Everything is in the wrong place and just plane stupid, is this a post or a rant? I like to think both. Can I just repeat, American keyboard layout is just stupid...stupid.

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« Reply #1 on: 14/10/2007 23:29:12 »
What does a british keyboard layout look like?

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« Reply #2 on: 14/10/2007 23:38:55 »
good question

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« Reply #3 on: 14/10/2007 23:51:53 »
when I enable my american keyboard it marks words like colour, favour, neighbourhood as spelled wrong... that annoys me
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« Reply #4 on: 15/10/2007 00:34:40 »
Your keyboard performs spell check??? or the computer marks them as spelled wrong?? I don't get it!

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« Reply #5 on: 15/10/2007 00:38:02 »
well for starters these are in the wrong place:

@ # ?/"'][{}+=_-

and my keyboard keeps asking if i want fries with that each time i hit the return key!

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« Reply #6 on: 15/10/2007 00:40:35 »
haha...
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« Reply #7 on: 15/10/2007 00:40:54 »
is the @ above the 2?
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« Reply #8 on: 15/10/2007 00:43:07 »

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« Reply #9 on: 15/10/2007 00:52:38 »
then where is it on the English keyboard?
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« Reply #10 on: 15/10/2007 00:55:16 »
it should be above the comma, " should be above the 2 on my keyboard.

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« Reply #11 on: 15/10/2007 00:58:57 »
woah... thats random
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« Reply #12 on: 15/10/2007 02:31:22 »






« Last Edit: 15/10/2007 02:36:20 by Karen W. »

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« Reply #13 on: 15/10/2007 02:37:50 »
Logitech, made in china.. three shots from the left to the right. then full shot.. My @ key is over the two also, I thought they all were! LOL

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« Reply #14 on: 15/10/2007 02:39:22 »
woah... thats random

Not at all - wait till you start playing with French or German keyboard (I wont even suggest Hebrew or Cyrillic).

The UK keyboard has a sign over the number 3, where the US keyboards have a # symbol - this is a consequence of the UK currency.  Why the rest of the keyboard is swapped around, I don't know - but I imagine it must have some history going back to old typewriter keyboards or something.

The problem with French keyboards (and for good reason, at least for the old typewriters) is the they are AZERTY rather than QWERTY (this referring to the top line of letters) - but then, I would think that you as a Canadian should have exposure to AZERTY keyboards occasionally?

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« Reply #15 on: 15/10/2007 02:46:46 »
the other week I had the hard drive wiped on one of my laptops, well after reinstalling windows and other stuff, I am left with no sound drivers, so no audio...that I can live with. But, what is annoying the life out of me, is that I now have an American keyboard!

Everything is in the wrong place and just plane stupid, is this a post or a rant? I like to think both. Can I just repeat, American keyboard layout is just stupid...stupid.

Can you not simply go to the Regional and Languge section in the Settings and change your keyboard (you may need to install the language specific keyboard layout)?

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« Reply #16 on: 15/10/2007 02:48:52 »
Mine looks normal George! LOL I have never seen another kind before!

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« Reply #17 on: 15/10/2007 03:02:37 »
Mine looks normal George! LOL I have never seen another kind before!

Here's the wiki page for keyboard layouts - I'll not copy all the various layouts here - there are far too many of them.

Just wait till you have to start dealing with printer and display codepages (luckily, unicode substantially simplifies that - although there are still complexities with unicode too).

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« Reply #18 on: 15/10/2007 04:48:48 »
WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!! Tons of keyboards I wondered how you all were able to put accent marks over letters ours wont do that!

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« Reply #19 on: 15/10/2007 08:33:34 »
I learned to type on a french layout (AZERTY), and one thing I still have trouble with when using a QWERTY on a laptop is when typing numbers :  with AZERTY you have to use the shift key for that and I forget not to use it on that QWERTY laptop.

I recently learned that though the Swiss use the German QWERTZ keyboard, their lay out is slightly different from that of the Germans.  The Germans have no key for an E with two dots, and no dead key for those two dots either; the Swiss have - probably because they have also French and Italian as their national languages.  Some Belgians that reside in Germany and use German computers switchd the reional settings on the control pannel to Swiss because of that.

If you disagree with your spell checker because it gives US spelling instead of UK spelling (or vice versa), you can change this in the regional settings (if that is the word they use)on your control pannel.  Within those regional settings there is a tab "language(s)".

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« Reply #20 on: 15/10/2007 09:04:32 »
This is my keyboard and all the keys are in the right place !! [;D]


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« Reply #21 on: 15/10/2007 09:10:32 »
LOL LOL! Now thats a dang nice keyboard. Is it as compact as it looks?

I looks like it does  lots of really cool stuff!! LOL.. You should play something nice for us to hear!!!!!! We would like it!

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« Reply #22 on: 15/10/2007 11:57:46 »
WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!! Tons of keyboards I wondered how you all were able to put accent marks over letters ours wont do that!

Using a UK keyboard, we still lack accented characters, so I unusually cheat - I  either cut and paste from a web page that has the relevant word (which I probably would not remember how to spell correctly anyway), or use the character map.

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« Reply #23 on: 15/10/2007 12:29:02 »
It used to be possible to get accented characters up and stuff (on Microsoft) by pressing alt and then three numbers on the numeric keypad. I haven't done that for ages...



^That was ALT 456 (randomly chosen to see if it still works). Still works then. Don't ask me what codes produce what characters though!
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« Reply #24 on: 15/10/2007 12:33:46 »
I recently learned that though the Swiss use the German QWERTZ keyboard, their lay out is slightly different from that of the Germans.  The Germans have no key for an E with two dots, and no dead key for those two dots either; the Swiss have - probably because they have also French and Italian as their national languages.  Some Belgians that reside in Germany and use German computers switchd the reional settings on the control pannel to Swiss because of that.

The Italians don't use accents and diacriticals/umlauts at all.  French don't use diacriticals/umlauts but do use accents.  Dutch do have an umlauted e, but I am not sure if the south Germanic languages (Swiss and Austrian) do - I suppose they must do if they are on the Swiss keyboards.

On the other hand, Hungarians have two forms of diacritical/umlaut, and cannot even use the Western European (ISO Latin-1) codepage.

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« Reply #25 on: 15/10/2007 12:39:46 »
It used to be possible to get accented characters up and stuff (on Microsoft) by pressing alt and then three numbers on the numeric keypad. I haven't done that for ages...



^That was ALT 456 (randomly chosen to see if it still works). Still works then. Don't ask me what codes produce what characters though!

It depends on the codepage you are using.

My system seems to be using codepage 850 (not sure if US systems don't use codepage 437 - they used to).


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« Reply #26 on: 15/10/2007 12:43:53 »


Can you not simply go to the Regional and Languge section in the Settings and change your keyboard

That was the first thing i tried, no luck. I am slowly getting used to it. But every now and then it doea throw up an something strange.

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« Reply #27 on: 15/10/2007 13:02:37 »
Something weird happens when I control my desktop computer from my laptop computer via VNC. Both keyboards are mapped properly the British way (don't you know) but when I type into an application on the desktop via VNC, I get '@' instead of '"' etc etc until I change the keyboard mapping on the desktop to American English. Then, when I am using the desktop in the normal way, I have to change it back again.

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« Reply #28 on: 16/10/2007 02:32:38 »
Sounds like a nice new hobby to start your own keyboard collection from different countries. Instead of postcards, you buy ethnic keyboards as duty-free souvenirs at the airport gift shop.  [;)]

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« Reply #29 on: 17/10/2007 08:42:42 »
I used to do a lot of work for Honeywell all over Europe (Belgium, France, Italy, Germany mainly) and the different keyboards were a nightmare!
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« Reply #30 on: 17/10/2007 09:27:04 »
As for the special signs, when I have to type names like Dvořk or or alik (a Turkish name), I type them in Word, using "Insert/Symbol...",  and copy and paste them where I need them.
Recently I was shown this site that may be helpful, too :  http://www.macility.com/products/popcharwin/
So far, I don't really have the knack of it yet and working with Word is still faster.  And I probably never will go for the complete (paying) version.
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« Reply #31 on: 17/10/2007 09:43:44 »
...I type them in Word, using "Insert/Symbol...",  and copy and paste them where I need them.


That's what I do
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« Reply #32 on: 17/10/2007 12:10:27 »
popchar was available for years on the mac. You just use it like lettraset. It's just like an extra set of keys in the corner of your screen.

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« Reply #33 on: 17/10/2007 16:28:46 »
It used to be possible to get accented characters up and stuff (on Microsoft) by pressing alt and then three numbers on the numeric keypad. I haven't done that for ages...



^That was ALT 456 (randomly chosen to see if it still works). Still works then. Don't ask me what codes produce what characters though!

I use some of these codes a lot myself, especially ALT+0176 (the degree symbol, ).  These are quite useful, since they work even outside of word processors, etc.  I've even gone so far as created a document for myself that gives me the ALT key codes.  I use some of these (, , ) more than others.

As mentioned above, there's a separate set of ALT key codes that don't use the first 0.  There is duplication between the two sets, but I learned the ALT-0### codes first.  In both sets, there are accented characters available (e.g., ALT-0233 = ).

If you're using these characters a lot, this would be quite cumbersome.  Many applications let you assign key maps, so when you enter a certain key sequence, it converts it into a symbol.

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