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Re: Error Log - Post site problems here
« Reply #50 on: 12/01/2006 22:25:36 »
I was going to suggest MySQL but you beat me to it.
I've often thought a "Who's online" facility would be nice.
As for chat, why not just create a room on 1 of the established chat sites like Lycos?
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« Reply #51 on: 12/01/2006 22:34:54 »
Do I win the carrots then ?...I have this itching to make sooup !

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Re: Error Log - Post site problems here
« Reply #52 on: 12/01/2006 23:00:57 »
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Once Neil administered a liberal dose of forum-slimming liposuction (aka the delete button)
Neil i don't know what you got, but your way with words is definitely spreading

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Re: Error Log - Post site problems here
« Reply #53 on: 13/01/2006 02:06:04 »
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Originally posted by DoctorBeaver
I've often thought a "Who's online" facility would be nice.



Fairly meaningless.  I never formally logout, so the system will permanently show me as logged in.

Any web based protocol has no real notion of someone being online.  It knows when someone has logged on, when they choose to log off, and when they last posted.  It is then a matter of guesswork if someone who logged on 3 days ago, and has posted within the last hour, is still sitting at their PC (or even if the PC is still switched on).

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« Reply #54 on: 13/01/2006 02:15:47 »
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Originally posted by chris

Yes, the problem is that we're running from an access database which is not stable at high loads. All it takes is a few search engine spiders to start tucking in, and a few users too, and the whole thing grinds to a halt. On one particular day a month or so back three search engines arrived simultaneously and the whole thing just collapsed. Part of the problem was the gut-bustingly large zetacap thread ! Once Neil administered a liberal dose of forum-slimming liposuction (aka the delete button) everything calmed down again.

We're actually going to migrate over to a much more stable mysql db at some point, but I'm currently just too overloaded to be able to do it.

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Why are you so wedded to Microsoft technology?

There may well be arguments in it favour on a desktop, but for a web server, I would have thought Linux/Apache/MySQL would be far superior to Windows/IIS/Access.

OK, the even bigger problem is that Access is a single user database, and totally unsuited to a server based application where many people can log in at once.  Even Microsoft does have multi-user databases in its product catalogue, but they cost significant amounts of money, and don't really give any advantage over the open source equivalents (MySQL and PostGreSQL).

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Re: Error Log - Post site problems here
« Reply #55 on: 07/02/2006 21:23:08 »
We need a chat facility

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« Reply #56 on: 16/03/2006 18:52:08 »
Is it just me but I get sooooooo frustrated because the site becomes unusable....I keep on getting the famous 404 error log or it just time outs, or something similar..........usually 3 or 4 time an hour. I have to be so careful doing long posts , having to use a text editor, but there are times when I just ' go for it ' ...all to my cost because I would say 1 in 5 time after pressing ' submit' it just halts and all is lost. It usually takes a few minutes and then it's up and running again.

Thankfully, I now use word to create posts in
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« Reply #57 on: 16/03/2006 20:25:21 »
No its not just you the site has got very slow recently

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« Reply #58 on: 17/03/2006 04:56:44 »
It's really bad..happening all the time !!
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Re: Error Log - Post site problems here
« Reply #59 on: 19/03/2006 02:31:32 »
Chris please do something, the forum is getting really slow,it keeps timing out, people are losing replies and its generally becoming so annoying it could prevent new members from taking part.

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Re: Error Log - Post site problems here
« Reply #60 on: 27/03/2006 03:56:05 »
Chris in stead of a chat facility how about a private message service.[:)]

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« Reply #61 on: 27/03/2006 04:03:40 »
How about a chat and a PM service ?....one thing that has been a long standing slightly frustrating tool is the search facility tool at the top of the page.

Although, the search facility on the left is quick, it would be nice if the forum specific one worked too !

Whajafink ?


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« Reply #62 on: 27/03/2006 05:32:58 »
I would have thought, given the instability of what we have, it would be more important to stabilise what we have before thinking about adding more to it.

The extras may be nice, but put them on a stable system, and don't simply add more burden on an unstable one.



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« Reply #63 on: 27/03/2006 06:41:02 »
Well at least we know another_someone is working perfectly ![:D]

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Re: Error Log - Post site problems here
« Reply #64 on: 28/03/2006 11:05:33 »
Hi All

yes, we need to stabilise this forum urgently. I have a way to do it, but it's quite involved (because we want to minimise disruption to people during the changeover).

I'm on the case, but please try to grin and bear it for a bit longer.

Search-wise, although the function appears to time out, if you hit the page refresh button after your search times out, suddenly all the results will appear!

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Re: Error Log - Post site problems here
« Reply #65 on: 28/03/2006 13:31:41 »
Thanks Chris,

Yep, I forgot to mention the refresh button trick...and you know me...I'm all grins and love to bear it !!
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Re: Error Log - Post site problems here
« Reply #66 on: 26/04/2006 13:20:51 »
The site is intolerably slow, it's unusable !!
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Re: Error Log - Post site problems here
« Reply #67 on: 26/04/2006 14:22:23 »
this site is ridiculosly slow latley, im glad im not the only one experiencing problems... chris please help us! :)

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Re: Error Log - Post site problems here
« Reply #68 on: 26/04/2006 14:38:14 »
What data base engine is being used? Perhaps the size of some of the diet sections could be slimed down. They seem to be a site within a site.

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Re: Error Log - Post site problems here
« Reply #69 on: 26/04/2006 15:18:03 »
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Originally posted by Hadrian

What data base engine is being used? Perhaps the size of some of the diet sections could be slimed down. They seem to be a site within a site.

What you do speaks so loudly that I cannot hear what you say.




I wish it was as easy as that...the zeta thread once stemmed to over 90 pages !! (yes it really did) and the site was still working reasonably well... I do not believe that this is the cause at this time. It must be something more fundamental in it's technicality with the site


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Re: Error Log - Post site problems here
« Reply #70 on: 26/04/2006 19:09:48 »
It could be a DB server issue. did you reboot it?

What you do speaks so loudly that I cannot hear what you say.

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Re: Error Log - Post site problems here
« Reply #71 on: 26/04/2006 20:44:44 »
I'm sorry about this. I think it stems from the fact that we had a bit of a run on the podcasts because we published the first one since easter and immediately 10,000 copies (200 GB) went flying off the shelves in about 6 hours. It seems to have slowed everything down enormously.

I think it's lots of computers all trying to download the podcast simultaneously. iTunes is probably the cause because it touches the rss regularly to see if there's been an update and as soon as it detects one it tries to grab the files...

Hopefully we're over the worst of it now.

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Re: Error Log - Post site problems here
« Reply #72 on: 26/04/2006 21:20:00 »
It must be the podcast downloads as it happened all of a sudden, and because me and neil have been quite ruffless recently and slimmed the database down by quite a lot.

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Re: Error Log - Post site problems here
« Reply #73 on: 26/04/2006 22:10:57 »
Thanks Michael.

Obviously please try to preserve content where possible when spring cleaning...the questions and answers are very valuable, but some of the intervening chat is less useful and can go...

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Re: Error Log - Post site problems here
« Reply #74 on: 26/04/2006 23:23:40 »
Did i say ruffless i mean't rufeless [:)] Dont worry though nothing of value has gone.

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« Reply #75 on: 26/04/2006 23:58:56 »
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Did i say ruffless i mean't rufeless [:)] Dont worry though nothing of value has gone.

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lol...actually chum..I think you meant ' Ruthless '...unless you're speaking from a house with no top which would then be ' Roofless ' [:D]...or you mean a world with no girlies called Ruth...which then applies to my first item too [:D]

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« Reply #76 on: 27/04/2006 00:40:23 »
quote:
Originally posted by neilep

quote:
Originally posted by ukmicky

Did i say ruffless i mean't rufeless [:)] Dont worry though nothing of value has gone.

Michael



lol...actually chum..I think you meant ' Ruthless '...unless you're speaking from a house with no top which would then be ' Roofless ' [:D]...or you mean a world with no girlies called Ruth...which then applies to my first item too [:D]

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oh my god, i'm totally embarrassed. (Correctly spelt with two arrhs and two esses i might add :). I cant believe i did that, and i can't change it now either.

Welcome back neil. [:)]:)

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« Reply #77 on: 27/04/2006 04:21:07 »
Know worreez Michael, I do eet orl the time two.

4:20am Report........

........The site has picked up a little speed but is still very slow. I am pleased that the podcasts are such a success but I wonder if we should be expecting regular periods of this instability ?


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« Reply #78 on: 27/04/2006 06:19:18 »
WOW !!

06:20am Report!!..My Word !!..a complete transformation !!..the site is behaving itself very well at this moment.


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Re: Error Log - Post site problems here
« Reply #79 on: 27/04/2006 08:30:22 »
Thank god, back to normal.

Seriously guys I'm looking into ways around this. The problem is that:

1) The bandwidth for this operation is now about 1.5 Terabytes (TB) a month - that's 300-500 GB per week. Most hosting plans offer you about 50 GB a MONTH!

2) This forum is ASP driven and is running a notoriously unstable access DB. We have done tests and can migrate it to a mysql database, but it still requires ASP. That way we also keep our incoming links and all the content. But mysql is much more stable.

3) If we wanted to move it to another forum platform we'd lose our links and it would also mean users would lose their logins / passwords. We've tried to get round this and it's not possible.

4) Moving hosts is a nightmare so we really want a UK based company so that we can phone them up and sort out any problems.

5) We're about to do a radical site overhaul anyway (because this version is archaic and totally static (excepting the forum), making it very inefficient. With this in mind we're sourcing the best CMS that fufills our needs. Once we know what the server requirements will be we can find a host and then move the whole shooting match across.

If anyone wants to help / knows someone who could help, please ask them to drop me a line.

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« Reply #80 on: 27/04/2006 13:23:27 »
Actually, what I am going to suggest might be somewhat unorthodox, but I'm not sure that it would be impossible to do.

The asp links that people have are just names.  I cannot see any technical reason why Apache (I cannot say for IIS) could not map a request for an ASP URL to a piece of code that it is instructed to use the PHP module to interpret.

As I said, highly unorthodox but if you have control over the Apache control files, it might be possible.

It depends whether you are simply running under a virtual hosting plan, or you have full control over the configuration of the web host.



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« Reply #81 on: 27/04/2006 17:39:06 »
It should definitely be possible to maintain the links even with a different program - you could even tell apache to run .asp files through php, but it will take some work...

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« Reply #82 on: 27/04/2006 18:19:47 »
So what has happened so that the site is working OK now ?...(it's still a little temperamental though this afternoon)...it was quite a sudden transformation of performance, surely the pod casts just didn't all stop..just like that !...What is it that actually makes it so unstable ?

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Re: Error Log - Post site problems here
« Reply #83 on: 27/04/2006 21:46:04 »
the podcast was definitely to blame - 20,000 copies (300 gigs of data) in 2 days - was suffcient to bring the server down to a crawl. I think iTunes was trying to grab the new content from thousands of computers everywhere, simultaneously.

I'm confident we can sort this out. Dave's on it (when he's finished writing his grant applciation!)

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Re: Error Log - Post site problems here
« Reply #84 on: 27/04/2006 22:53:48 »
Looks like my broadband connections working again.

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« Reply #85 on: 28/04/2006 02:12:11 »
Well that's all just so lovely and ticketyboo !!

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« Reply #86 on: 28/04/2006 18:20:40 »
Hmm..as Robert has witnessed...things are in first gear again...not as slow as the other night/day (when ever) but a steady almost ' syrupy ' effect.

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« Reply #87 on: 02/05/2006 19:48:53 »

Oh myiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii it allllllllllllllllllllll soooooooooooooooo slowwwwwwwwwwwwwwww







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« Reply #88 on: 02/05/2006 20:00:51 »
Its grind to a halt time again *le sigh*

I hate to say this but I think until it's resolved this is going to be more regular than wifeys yucky bit time of month !!!
[:(]

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« Reply #89 on: 03/05/2006 00:41:48 »
Its so slow it feels like dial up, maybe we should take the time to reminisce about the good old days before super fast broadband and the internet, when bulletin boards ruled the world.[:)]

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« Reply #90 on: 03/05/2006 03:11:31 »


Oh myiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii it allllllllllllllllllllll soooooooooooooooo slowwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

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« Reply #91 on: 03/05/2006 06:50:25 »
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« Reply #92 on: 03/05/2006 14:01:04 »
Dial up was never this slow !...I would love it to be as fast as Dial up right now....

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« Reply #93 on: 03/05/2006 14:53:13 »
It is exceptionally slow, by any historic standards.

I would ask whether you were suffering a denial of service attack if not, the effect is about the same.



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« Reply #94 on: 04/05/2006 14:06:17 »
OMG !!....I have finally gone to sleep....and I'm dreaming that it's working !!...I must be...YAYYYYYYYYYYYY !!!

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Re: Error Log - Post site problems here
« Reply #95 on: 04/05/2006 14:56:29 »
I believe that the provider have narrowed the bandwidth tube...

We have slimmed down the operation manyfold to restore functionality, but we urgently need to get the hosting sorted out. I'm engaged in negotiations with several companies at the moment. I'll keep you posted.

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« Reply #96 on: 04/05/2006 15:19:49 »
Good luck chris...and THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU !!!

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« Reply #97 on: 04/05/2006 17:59:37 »
THANK YOU CHRIS.

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« Reply #98 on: 04/05/2006 18:09:10 »
How is this website financed?

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« Reply #99 on: 05/05/2006 14:33:17 »
By goodwill and me staying up all hours writing grant applications to get dribs and drabs of money.

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