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Is the fact that science has also been unfairly hijacked by religious zelots to prove their own ideas is acceptable? the idea that the earth has only existed since October 23, 4004 BC. and that the accounts - differencing in the details - in Genesis, are the ONLY interpretation of the way life was created is blatant nonsense. What is time to God? What is a day in His measure? Billions of years? Or an hour?The pseudoscience of creationism that is being insisted on being taught along side traditional science is as much voodoo to me as science is to you. And I was raised hardshell Southern Baptist and believe in a Benevolent Creator. As has been stated - belief is belief and science is science. They should not be mixed.
An empty lot separated my dad's house from Rocky Marchegiano's. I played with his children.
"Atheism is as much a faith as Christianity "In the same sense that bald is a hair colour.Strictly speaking, since I can't prove that there is no God, I ought to be described as agnostic on this matter.Oddly, nobody describes me as agnostic when I say I don't believe in the tooth fairy, but my reasons for disbelief are pretty much the same. Equally, I don't know of anyone who describes a child's fear of the "monsters under the bed" as being a matter of religious faith.Atheism is generally taken not just to mean the belief that there is no God, but a more general feeling that one only believes in things for which there is positive evidence.As it happens, science generally does the same thing.
Religion and science have clashed throughout history, but why do we need to continue arguing about it? Science is science, religion is religion, and that's that. It's not a contradiction between the big bang and creationism, merely a different interpretation. As JimBob said, "What is time to God?" It seems like days and years is a human invention and maybe just a device used by God to dumb it down so we could understand.
... Why should you be suprised that atheists use science to support their beliefs,...
is "bad science" science?
There is something more to humans, however, than just atoms randomly configured due to certain properties! I agree that the earth is amazing, but for a different reason than you think, Andrew. I think of it as art... friggin huge art...
We cannot discover God unless He allows it to happen. It's His credit. He is in total cntrol of His identity!
Quote from: SFMA on 31/05/2008 17:16:09We cannot discover God unless He allows it to happen. It's His credit. He is in total cntrol of His identity!How convenient.
Quote from: BenV on 31/05/2008 17:27:59Quote from: SFMA on 31/05/2008 17:16:09We cannot discover God unless He allows it to happen. It's His credit. He is in total cntrol of His identity!How convenient.This is my belief.
Quote from: SFMA on 09/06/2008 10:11:55Quote from: BenV on 31/05/2008 17:27:59Quote from: SFMA on 31/05/2008 17:16:09We cannot discover God unless He allows it to happen. It's His credit. He is in total cntrol of His identity!How convenient.This is my belief.If that's the kind of thing that convinces you then you're welcome to it. I would rather believe or not believe in things based on evidence and reason.
That's the jump that Madidus and I are refusing to make. Certainly there are things we don't know and don't fully understand, but that doesn't mean we should invent a god to fill the gaps.
And it could be a giant pink monkey with wings, or a kitten, jellyfish, piece of cheese, computer simulation, halibut, novelists imagination, garden hose...There is as much justification for thinking that the gaps in our knowledge are explained by a massive wheel of brie as by a god.Are you a Brie-liever?
It could be more than the best possible existence that you could imagine.
QuoteIt could be more than the best possible existence that you could imagine. Wishful thinking, would be lovely if it were true, but i'd rather have the best possible existence in my current form instead of wasting time hoping to have a better existence in another