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If you free the hydrogen in gasoline, and use that in a fuel cell system,
There are some hydrogen gas fields underground in Kansas, so the comment about hydrogen cannot be mined is misleading.
Hydrogen gas occurs in ten Kansas wells near the Mid-Continent rift system.^Since 1982, two wells have yielded small amounts of gases containing an average of 29-37 mole % H/sub 2/, the remainder being chiefly N/sub 2/ with only traces of hydrocarbons.^Isotopic compositions for hydrogen (delta D = -740 to -836 per thousand) imply near-ambient (about 10/sup 0/C) equilibration temperatures for the gases, which are among the most deuterium-depleted in nature and resemble the H/sub 2/-rich gases described from ophiolites in Oman.^Isotopic values for the Kansas N/sub 2/ differ slightly from those of the atmosphere, but not enough to rule out an atmospheric origin.^Because they are low in CH/sub 4/ and CO/sub 2/, expected byproducts of biogenic activity, the gases are probably abiogenic in origin.^The existence of such gases near a major rift system, containing mafic rocks, and not far from known kimberlites is consistent with an origin from reactions involving Fe/sup +2/ oxidation, for example during serpentinization.^Because the gases may be associated with kimberlites and deep-seated rifting, mantle outgassing is possible, but such an origin would be difficult to reconcile with the low isotopic temperatures.^The H/sub 2/ gases from Kansas (and elsewhere) seem to be too low in pressure to have commercial value.^However, neither the Kansas gases nor those from other H/sub 2/ occurrences have been adequately examined to assess their importance as potential resources.^4 figures, 3 tables.
However, one of the incredible things about hydrogen, is that it can be produced from almost any energy source, and in some cases, it is actually CHEAPER.
In an internal combustion engine, 75% of the energy is lost through heat, exhaust, and the radiator. It is possible to convert hydro-carbon fuels (gasoline) into hydrogen.
Gasoline is really just hydrogen with a bunch of carbon. If you free the hydrogen in gasoline, and use that in a fuel cell system, you can actually GAIN because fuel cells are 75% - 90% efficient. Therefore, you only need 1/3 the amount of fuel, and the end price is cheaper.
As hydrogen is "used up", it becomes water vapor. We can take another source of energy, and convert water back into hydrogen, as long as there is sunlight and water, we will never run out.
Hydrogen can be produced from hydrocarbon fuels at 80% efficiency.
So if you paid $3.25 per gallon of gasoline, and converted that into hydrogen, you would have lost $0.65 (20%), and let us throw in another dime per gallon of gas equivalent for maintenance. That means that if we set up converters at gas stations, and connected them to the pumps already in use, we could sell hydrogen for $4.00 gallon of gas equivalent (I have to say gallon of gas equivalent because hydrogen is a gas and gasoline is a liquid. So, we say gallon of gas equivalent because that is the same amount of hydrogen it takes to do the job of one gallon of gasoline.)
Also, if every car in the USA was running off hydrogen fuel cells, and let us say they were run off of converted fossil fuels, we would only have the buy 1/3 of the oil what we now purchase. If there is not as large of a demand, the price is pushed further down. That is the simple law of supply and demand. That would cut the price even more.
Right there you have a simple supply that is available almost ANYWHERE in the USA. If you have a gas station, you can have hydrogen.
In response to another_member, we can use methane and other things like that, but one of the major reasons I am pro hydrogen, is because it has no pollution of itself. If you produce it from gasoline, there will still be pollution from the conversion, but it will only be 1/3 of what it would be if we burned it in cars. That is only the first step. I want to see this country GREEN, pollution free, and I believe that in time, we can see that goal, maybe in our own lifetimes, but the only solution I see is hydrogen.
However, methane will produce pollutants in every way that I know of, and I do not see how we can escape that. That is why I am not pushing it. If we convert gasoline into hydrogen, we produce less pollution, but it is only the first step.
My goal with hydrogen is to have NO pollution. As long as we still get pollution, I believe that we still have work to do, and I cannot see anyway to be completely pollution free from methane. In the future, I believe that natural sources of hydrogen will be available that produce no pollution, but we need to start going in the right direction if we are ever going to get there.
The carbon monoxide you were referring to is an odorless, colorless, tasteless poison, which can easily kill a human before they even knew what was happening. It lulls them into sleep and they never wake up. Like you stated, “Of course, one of the problems with carbon monoxide is its toxicity, and in that respect the replacement of town gas with natural gas removed gas as a common means of suicide.”Do you really WANT that in you car, your home, or anywhere near you? One of the things about coal gasification, is I recommend we do NOT make carbon monoxide. With a simple change, you can change it to produce carbon dioxide, which is soda pop fizz and a major component of air. However, too much Carbon Dioxide is bad too, but I would rather have that in the air than monoxide.
Coal gasification is a start, and if we converted our regular coal plants into gasification plants to produce hydrogen, we would slash a large amount of the pollution we pump out. It might not be the end product, but it will really help us get there. That would cut a lot of the pollution this country is choking on.