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« Reply #50 on: 01/03/2008 14:47:37 »
Oh, facts just fly over your genetically addled brain?
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« Reply #51 on: 01/03/2008 18:11:35 »
The Vikings, I remeber that TV program. Didn't they send him off to sea in a burning boat at the end? I cried. Oh and the signiture tune was good to my whole faminly used to hum it. Being Welsh, we can do that.
Sorry about the spelling, it's the dislexya, no dysluxia. Oh god why did the make the name for a problem with spelling so hard to spell. 
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« Reply #52 on: 01/03/2008 19:19:32 »
It isn't dyslexia, it is a lack of a functional brain, woman. And I can't believe one would waste ones time with tele when there is such great literature to read. Ah, the commoners. Even we Welsh have them. Tisk, tisk. It is good that we were once Gwynedd royalty.
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« Reply #53 on: 01/03/2008 20:12:33 »
You've just got the hump because you are descended from a bunch of hairy-assed, freckly ginger-mops! And they didn't go anywhere near Greece.

600 B.C.: *600 B.C.: Many Celtic tribes came to Central and Western Europe: the Boyards, the Noricae, the Vindelici and, in the mountains between Hungary and Switzerland, the Helvetians. Two groups of Celts existed in Gaul: those between Garonne and the Pyrenees, and those between Garonne and the Seine: the Arverni, the Haeduers, the Veneti, the Parisii and the Serones. The Allobroges settled in the area around the Rhône and the Maritime Alps. The last to arrive were the Belgae between the Seine and the Rhine, the Bellovaci around Beauvais, and the Remi between Marne and Meuse. Some Belgae settled on the British Islands, near London. The Brigantes lived in the Pennine Chains in England, while the Caledones occupied an area to the north. The Boyards, the Insubrians and the Serones influenced Italy while in western-Spain Celts mingled with Iberians to give rise to Celtiberian tribes.
(from http://www.let.leidenuniv.nl/history/migration/chapter113.html)

This is all iron age (late) history:

"The Hallstatt culture was the predominant Central European culture during the local Bronze Age and preceded the Iron Age throughout most of Northern and North-eastern Europe. Depending on the interpreter, the culture is linked to the Celts or to their predecessors and the Illyrians]. Other theories link this culture to the Adriatic Veneti as predecessors of modern Slavs. It is named for its type site, Hallstatt a lakeside village in the Austrian Salzkammergut southeast of Salzburg."

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallstatt_culture

Also, you lack of knowledge of the classics makes it clear that you have are not a person of breeding.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illyrians

" 'Illyrians' has come to refer to a broad, ill-defined[1] "Indo-European" group of peoples who inhabited the western Balkans (Illyria, roughly from the Albanian and Montenegro border to southern Pannonia) and even possibly Messapia in southern Italy (if the Messapian language is to be considered an Illlyrian dialect). Illyrians were part of the Hallstatt culture."

These peoples became the Ionians, Dorians and Macedonians.

For determining ancestry and lineage, it is the language that is most important - your insinuations are based on the situation during the iron age, not the stone and Bronze Age.


The Vikings, on the other hand were in Greece & were prominent in the court of Byzantium. They founded the city of Kiev, and Russia grew from the settlement of a Viking tribe called the Rus.

The Viking trading empire covered the whole of northern Europe, Italy, Greece, much of Turkey and East past the Black Sea, and they even had trading links with the Arab lands.

Vikings were also the first Europeans to venture to the Americas.

It was the Vikings who smegged another Celtic tribe, the Gauls in northern France.

Of course we can sing. Haven't you seen "The Vikings" with Kirk Douglas & Tony Curtis?



All the above were after the golden age of Greece. Your historical timing sir, does not substantiate you claims.

"Douglas" - From Clan Douglas in Celtic Scotland

"Curtis" - hired Italian swords that William brought with him. They held lands in Warwikshire given them after 1066.

As for the Gauls, they sacked Rome before they were subsequently subdued, but it took the Romans and the Germainc Franks working together to do it.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaul

In English, the word Gaul (French: Gaulois) may also refer to an inhabitant of that region, although the expression may be used more generally for all ancient speakers of the Gaulish language (a derivative of early Celtic) who were widespread in Europe and extended even into central Anatolia by Roman times. The Gauls were Celts which was a word coined in the 17th century[citation needed] to describe the people that inhabited the British Isle and Gaul which not only consisted of France but parts of Spain and northern Italy.

Gauls under Brennus sacked Rome circa 390 BC. In the Aegean world, a huge migration of Eastern Gauls appeared in Thrace, north of Greece, in 281 BC. Another Gaulish chieftain also named Brennus, at the head of a large army, was only turned back from desecrating the Temple of Apollo at Delphi in Greece at the last minute — he was alarmed, it was said, by portents of thunder and lightning.[1] At the same time a migrating band of Celts, some 10,000 warriors, with their women and children and slaves, were moving through Thrace. Three tribes of Gauls crossed over from Thrace to Asia Minor at the express invitation of Nicomedes I, king of Bithynia (which was a small geographical location just south of the bosphorus and the Euxene (Black Sea) in the northern area of modern-day Turkey, i.e just south and southeast of the latter-day city of Constantinople, or modern-day Istanbul), who required help in a dynastic struggle against his brother. Eventually they settled down in eastern Phrygia and Cappadocia in central Anatolia, a region henceforth known as Galatia."

E.G. Paul's book to the Galatians

Please know the historical context and the sequence in which they occurred before posting such hollow arguments.

And you cite Italians an Celts to prove Vikings can sing. Shame, sir, shame. Haver you ever had to bear the excruciating hollering of Wagner's operas? I will give you Bach, but he was late, a 16th century German who was only able to achieve greatness because of the benefits of the Italian Renaissance.


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« Reply #54 on: 01/03/2008 20:29:42 »
What? brain only understands science. Failed History A level! Can only remember the story about Elizabeth I. A man farted in her presence and was so embarrassed that he exiled himself to Europe for 7 years. On his return to court the Queen said "I have not forgotten the fart." Knowledge of History complete.....beep, beeep, beeeeep!
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« Reply #55 on: 01/03/2008 20:40:36 »
What? brain only understands science. Failed History A level! Can only remember the story about Elizabeth I. A man farted in her presence and was so embarrassed that he exiled himself to Europe for 7 years. On his return to court the Queen said "I have not forgotten the fart." Knowledge of History complete.....beep, beeep, beeeeep!

Someone please press the 'droids reset button.
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« Reply #56 on: 01/03/2008 20:56:28 »
JimBob, where is Beaver Doctor? Is he on his Hol's or has he got a life....oh,no!
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« Reply #57 on: 01/03/2008 21:41:26 »
original reply post didn't make it -

Again

Mating again. How do you think he got his moniker? You don't really believe he us a real beaver, do you?
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« Reply #58 on: 01/03/2008 23:08:05 »
Got the post. I think the Doctor is whatever you want him to be. I'm a bit worried that he might be your imaginary friend though. I've been humouring you all along!!!
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« Reply #59 on: 01/03/2008 23:54:43 »
Oh dear, Jim. Oh deary, deary dear.

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In the Aegean world, a huge migration of Eastern Gauls appeared in Thrace, north of Greece, in 281 BC. Another Gaulish chieftain also named Brennus, at the head of a large army, was only turned back from desecrating the Temple of Apollo at Delphi in Greece at the last minute — he was alarmed, it was said, by portents of thunder and lightning. At the same time a migrating band of Celts, some 10,000 warriors, with their women and children and slaves, were moving through Thrace. Three tribes of Gauls crossed over from Thrace to Asia Minor at the express invitation of Nicomedes I, king of Bithynia (which was a small geographical location just south of the bosphorus and the Euxene (Black Sea) in the northern area of modern-day Turkey, i.e just south and southeast of the latter-day city of Constantinople, or modern-day Istanbul), who required help in a dynastic struggle against his brother. Eventually they settled down in eastern Phrygia and Cappadocia in central Anatolia, a region henceforth known as Galatia.

I direct you to the opening sentence "...appeared in Thrace, north of Greece, in 281 BC.". North of Greece. NORTH OF IT - not in it!

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'Illyrians' has come to refer to a broad, ill-defined "Indo-European" group of peoples who inhabited the western Balkans (Illyria, roughly from the Albanian and Montenegro border to southern Pannonia)

Jugoslavia, in other words. Hmmm... has Jugoslavia ever been in Greece? I think not.

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"The Hallstatt culture was the predominant Central European culture during the local Bronze Age and preceded the Iron Age throughout most of Northern and North-eastern Europe. Depending on the interpreter, the culture is linked to the Celts or to their predecessors and the Illyrians]. Other theories link this culture to the Adriatic Veneti as predecessors of modern Slavs. It is named for its type site, Hallstatt a lakeside village in the Austrian Salzkammergut southeast of Salzburg."

Maybe Salzburg is in Greece? Nope, wrong again.

All that just goes to prove that Americans are totally crap at geography  [::)]

I did not say that the Vikings were present during the Golden Age of Greece. And where did I use Italians and Celts as proof of my claim that Vikings could sing?

And to correct another of your erroneous connections - Wagner was German; nothing whatsoever to do with Vikings. Yes, Gotterdammerung is based on Norse mythology. But Holst wrote The Planets Suite. That doesn't mean he was from Jupiter!
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« Reply #60 on: 02/03/2008 00:44:33 »
Oh doctor, your history is so lacking and you don't understand what you read.

It seems a loosing cause to get your tiny Rodentia brain to comprehend what I am saying. The Illirians were the amcestors of the Celtic and Greek populations and later of the the the Dorians and then the Ionians who came in the preceeding order from the WESTERN BALKINS. The Celts and Illirians were established buy 1800 BC in Europe.

"During the Iron Age, Celts lived across a wide range of lands, from the Iberian Peninsula to Anatolia (Turkey), but the ultimate origin of the Celts is a subject of controversy. Before the archaeological discoveries of the 19th century, the Celts were considered to be inhabitants of the south of Europe (Websters Dictionary 1828). Since then, some scholars have placed the Celtic homeland in what is now southern Germany and Austria, associating the earliest Celtic peoples with the Hallstatt culture. (see List of Celtic tribes for the names of specific, early Celtic peoples). However, more recently the southern homeland has regained adherents, such as Simon James and Stephen Oppenheimer.

Although more recently restricted to the Atlantic coast of Western Europe (known as the 'Celtic fringe'), Celtic languages were once predominant over much of Europe, with territory largely ceded to expanding Germanic tribes and the invading Roman Empire. Archaeological and historical sources show that at their maximum extent in the third century BC, Celtic peoples were also present in areas of Eastern Europe and Asia Minor."

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"There are few written records of the ancient Celtic languages produced by the Celts themselves. Generally these are names on coins and stone inscriptions. Mostly the evidence is of personal names and place names in works by Greek and Roman authors. The date at which the proto-Celtic language split from Indo-European is disputed but may be as early as 6000 BC, with it reaching Britain and Ireland by 3200 BC, according to Forster and Toth."

This is earlier than any of the peoples you suggest migrating in 600 BC from Asia. It appears to be the opposite, as stated above, that the Celts migrated from Europe into Anatolia.

It is obvious that reasoning with lower life forms is a useless endeavor.

I am truly sorry you cannot comprehend even the most simple of concepts of time. Celts -> Illirian and eastern European, as well as Irish and Brits, Illirian -> Greek Dorian and Ionian

Too simple for you to grasp.

My sympathies.

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« Reply #61 on: 02/03/2008 03:52:46 »
As for you claim that vikings could sing you used the movie "The Vikings" with tony Curtis and Kirk Douglas. In this movie, which I have seen several times, they are singing Vikings.

"Douglas" - From Clan Douglas in Celtic Scotland

"Curtis" - hired Italian swords that William brought with him. The family held lands in Warwikshire given them after 1066.

This was provided above. Do you read well or simple lip-speak the words?

 
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« Reply #62 on: 02/03/2008 08:37:44 »
"Douglas" - From Clan Douglas in Celtic Scotland

"Curtis" - hired Italian swords that William brought with him.

I understand your reference now.

As for my history, for me it's not history - it's memories! I can't help it if people's re-constructions are awry.

Anyway, what have the Celts left for posterity? Kilts, leeks, haggis and a language that sounds as if you're trying to alleviate the nastier symptoms of bronchitis.
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« Reply #63 on: 02/03/2008 17:14:12 »
As for my history, for me it's not history - it's memories!

GAWD! You are ancient. Can you still use your ear? (RE: private communication)

Anyway, what have the Celts left for posterity? Kilts, leeks, haggis and a language that sounds as if you're trying to alleviate the nastier symptoms of bronchitis.

And the Normans gave us poverty and George Dubuah Bush,  (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/2263945.stm & http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/2002/sep/18/netnotes.markoliver)

The last is inexcusable!
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« Reply #64 on: 02/03/2008 17:37:18 »
Now you're just being silly
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« Reply #65 on: 02/03/2008 18:03:46 »
But you do not challenge the validity of the Guardian's and BBC's articles, do you?
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« Reply #66 on: 02/03/2008 19:25:02 »
JimBob, where is Beaver Doctor? Is he on his Hol's or has he got a life....oh,no!

I spy an abused apostrophe!  [:(!]
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« Reply #67 on: 02/03/2008 19:26:01 »
But you do not challenge the validity of the Guardian's and BBC's articles, do you?

The Guardian is a socialist propoganda sheet and the BBC - well, the least said the better about that organisation these days.
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« Reply #68 on: 02/03/2008 21:26:40 »
JimBob, where is Beaver Doctor? Is he on his Hol's or has he got a life....oh,no!

I spy an abused apostrophe!  [:(!]

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« Reply #69 on: 02/03/2008 21:27:27 »
But you do not challenge the validity of the Guardian's and BBC's articles, do you?

The Guardian is a socialist propoganda sheet and the BBC - well, the least said the better about that organisation these days.

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« Reply #70 on: 02/03/2008 21:45:10 »
JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION, Tricky.
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« Reply #71 on: 02/03/2008 21:54:41 »
I had meant to put a full stop but my touch typing is rubbish and my cat insists on helping. Why do they do that? As for my History my Mum is welsh and my Dad's family were originally Venables. One of my relatives was a dragon slayer. The family used to own Delamere forest in Knutsford and the locals called them The Meres which was corrupted later to Mayer. I think changing your surname is rather weird.
Venable goes back to heraldry though.
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« Reply #72 on: 02/03/2008 21:57:07 »
Doctor,

BUSH derives from the Norman "Boucher" - pronounced "bo-shay"

See a reference to Francois Boucher, the artist, on Wikipedia  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francois_Boucher
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« Reply #73 on: 02/03/2008 22:33:43 »
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« Reply #74 on: 02/03/2008 22:59:54 »
From http://genealogy.about.com/od/surname_meaning/a/english.htm

Other local surnames derive from descriptive landscape features such as hills, woods, and streams which describe the original bearer's residence. This is the origin of surnames such as Sykes (marshy stream), Bush and Attwood (near a wood).

You were saying?
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« Reply #75 on: 02/03/2008 23:52:12 »
Just another Norman diversionary tactic - it does not answer the question about the Bush-Spencer connection or the fact that the Bush family is Norman.

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« Reply #76 on: 03/03/2008 03:31:56 »
Read about my ancestor:
www.foolishpeople.com/foolishpeople/2005/11/british_dragon_.html - 91k -


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« Reply #77 on: 03/03/2008 07:45:57 »
Well it just goes to show that Normans still rule (even if that particular 1 has been tainted with inbred, redneck blood that has turned him mad)

In any case, I can't find anything that says Henry Spencer was Norman.
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« Reply #78 on: 03/03/2008 14:14:41 »
Read it again JimBob, you need to go to the section on Cheshire. This tells of my Dragon Slaying past. And no comments about me being a dragon!
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« Reply #79 on: 03/03/2008 16:10:03 »
Read it again JimBob, you need to go to the section on Cheshire. This tells of my Dragon Slaying past. And no comments about me being a dragon!

Then why didn't you say so - you need to be specific, the link was to the page on dragons - GAWD - Poor communication skills.

How should I know you last name????????????????
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« Reply #80 on: 03/03/2008 16:13:19 »
I'm not one for busman's holidays so they do tend to go up the swany when I've just done a show. Sorry!
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« Reply #81 on: 03/03/2008 16:18:09 »
Well it just goes to show that Normans still rule (even if that particular 1 has been tainted with inbred, redneck blood that has turned him mad)

In any case, I can't find anything that says Henry Spencer was Norman.

Yes , Normans still rule and with the same despotism that they have during their whole miserable existence. The Bush family is pure New England patrician. Nothing Texas about them. they just came here to rape and pillages as they had been doing in the northeast of this Country.

I never said Spencer was a Norman - the family is related to the Bush's.

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« Reply #82 on: 03/03/2008 16:18:33 »
I'm not one for busman's holidays so they do tend to go up the swany when I've just done a show. Sorry!

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« Reply #83 on: 03/03/2008 17:33:00 »
I'm not one for busman's holidays so they do tend to go up the swany when I've just done a show. Sorry!

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« Reply #84 on: 03/03/2008 20:57:18 »

I never said Spencer was a Norman - the family is related to the Bush's.

Don't you read?


You tried to use the connection to show that Bush is a Norman.
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« Reply #85 on: 03/03/2008 20:59:53 »
Read it again JimBob, you need to go to the section on Cheshire. This tells of my Dragon Slaying past. And no comments about me being a dragon!

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« Reply #86 on: 03/03/2008 21:10:56 »
Is this 'tiff' still going on? haha

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« Reply #87 on: 03/03/2008 21:21:24 »
Is this 'tiff' still going on? haha

What has Mr Needell got to do with it?
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« Reply #88 on: 03/03/2008 21:21:54 »
Is this 'tiff' still going on? haha

It appears to be a menage a trois now the dragon has also taken up arms.  [:D]
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« Reply #89 on: 03/03/2008 22:13:54 »
Is this 'tiff' still going on? haha

It appears to be a menage a trois now the dragon has also taken up arms.  [:D]
Will the three of you get out of my horse riding arena!
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« Reply #90 on: 03/03/2008 22:16:43 »
I had meant to put a full stop but my touch typing is rubbish and my cat insists on helping. Why do they do that? As for my History my Mum is welsh and my Dad's family were originally Venables. One of my relatives was a dragon slayer. The family used to own Delamere forest in Knutsford and the locals called them The Meres which was corrupted later to Mayer. I think changing your surname is rather weird.
Venable goes back to heraldry though.
Because, JimBob, I already told you but you were too busy talking to your imaginary friend, the Beaver.
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« Reply #91 on: 03/03/2008 22:16:51 »
Is this 'tiff' still going on? haha

It appears to be a menage a trois now the dragon has also taken up arms.  [:D]
Will the three of you get out of my horse riding arena!

are you awaiting your jockey?

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« Reply #92 on: 03/03/2008 22:19:41 »
No I am awaiting my knight.
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« Reply #93 on: 03/03/2008 22:34:04 »
No I am awaiting my knight.

i'll gladly get out of the arena to watch that!

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« Reply #94 on: 03/03/2008 22:39:53 »
No I am awaiting my knight.

i'll gladly get out of the arena to watch that!

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« Reply #95 on: 03/03/2008 22:41:32 »
Sorry, we are off to bed now. I need my beauty sleep being s dragon and all.
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« Reply #96 on: 03/03/2008 22:44:10 »
Is this 'tiff' still going on? haha

It appears to be a menage a trois now the dragon has also taken up arms.  [:D]
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Here's Tango in my arena...
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« Reply #97 on: 03/03/2008 22:46:05 »
Goodnight, Lady

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« Reply #98 on: 03/03/2008 23:02:29 »
gnight.

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« Reply #99 on: 04/03/2008 01:02:52 »


Now the both of you have left me alone with a rabid beaver. And Lady is going to need a LOOOOOOOOOOONG sleep to get any beauty.

And he isn't imaginary - he is on a computer in Oxfordshire planning to take over the world.

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