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How do they make semi-skimmed and skimmed milk?

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Re: How do they make semi-skimmed and skimmed milk?
« Reply #20 on: 28/06/2020 11:03:43 »
Quote from: sciencefreak24 on 28/06/2020 09:35:33
Skim Milk is made by removing the cream and the fat content, and, by watering down the ‘product.’
If you start your tirade with an obvious lie, you will not get the effect you hope for.
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Re: How do they make semi-skimmed and skimmed milk?
« Reply #21 on: 28/06/2020 11:10:00 »
Quote from: sciencefreak24 on 28/06/2020 09:35:33
the calcium found in the mammary gland fluid of a bovine (cow), is not a fit for human calcium needs
You need to provide some evidence with that- good luck explaining how a calcium ion "knows" that it arrived in my gut as milk, not meat and therefore has to act differently.

Quote from: sciencefreak24 on 28/06/2020 09:35:33
Fat is what FEEDS YOUR BRAIN,
No it isn't. The sole source of energy for the brain is glucose.

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Re: How do they make semi-skimmed and skimmed milk?
« Reply #22 on: 28/06/2020 15:04:32 »
Give the lad some credit for commercial insight, BC. Skimmed milk has been made for centuries by centrifuging off all the good stuff to make cream, cheese, butter, supplementary animal feed and casein glue, then either chucking away the waste or selling it as somehow "healthier" than real milk. True, however, nobody would use expensive industrially-clean water to dilute a free raw material.

It's a bit like cornflakes. Having extracted sugar, alcohol, paint and culinary starch from maize, you are left with a biologically accessible brown sludge which will of course rot and stink if you do nothing with it, so you dry it and add just enough vitamins and minerals that you can legally sell it as food - much better than paying council taxes to put it in landfill.

I could go on about Marmite/Vegemite and brewers' sludge, but they are actually delicious.     

The final insult to consumers has been posh coffee shops. Whole milk doesn't form a stable foam, but if you take 10p worth of coffee and half a pint of milk waste, you can sell a cup of hot air for £3.50.   
« Last Edit: 28/06/2020 15:16:39 by alancalverd »
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Re: How do they make semi-skimmed and skimmed milk?
« Reply #23 on: 28/06/2020 15:36:31 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 28/06/2020 11:10:00
Quote from: sciencefreak24 on Today at 09:35:33
Fat is what FEEDS YOUR BRAIN,
No it isn't. The sole source of energy for the brain is glucose.

Broadly true - glucose is the chief energy source - except that the brain can also use ketone bodies, which are produced by lipolysis during starvation and can replace glucose as an energy source for the nervous system (and muscles including the heart).
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Re: How do they make semi-skimmed and skimmed milk?
« Reply #24 on: 28/06/2020 15:42:24 »
Quote from: chris on 28/06/2020 15:36:31
Quote from: Bored chemist on 28/06/2020 11:10:00
Quote from: sciencefreak24 on Today at 09:35:33
Fat is what FEEDS YOUR BRAIN,
No it isn't. The sole source of energy for the brain is glucose.

Broadly true - glucose is the chief energy source - except that the brain can also use ketone bodies, which are produced by lipolysis during starvation and can replace glucose as an energy source for the nervous system (and muscles including the heart).
I'm fairly sure that lipolysis generates glycerol and fatty acids.
They aren't ketone bodies.

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Re: How do they make semi-skimmed and skimmed milk?
« Reply #25 on: 28/06/2020 15:58:38 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 28/06/2020 15:04:32
Give the lad some credit for commercial insight, BC. Skimmed milk has been made for centuries by centrifuging off all the good stuff to make cream, cheese, butter, supplementary animal feed and casein glue, then either chucking away the waste or selling it as somehow "healthier" than real milk. True, however, nobody would use expensive industrially-clean water to dilute a free raw material.
While a centrifuge or "cream separator" will speed up the process, just letting the milk sit for some time works just as well. Afterwards you can just "skim" the cream off the top.  This is what we used to do with the milk from our single milk cow.
I grew up drinking the skim milk left behind.
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Re: How do they make semi-skimmed and skimmed milk?
« Reply #26 on: 08/11/2020 00:45:38 »
Hi,
Here are the stabdards for milk on gov.uk.

Milk marketing standards

The EU publishes marketing standards for drinkable milk, and also publishes legal definitions for the terms ‘whole milk’, ‘semi-skimmed milk’ and ‘skimmed milk’.

Milk is defined by the EU as the produce of the milking of one or more farmed animals. Drinking milk is a product intended for delivery or sale, without further processing for consumers, either directly or through intermediaries such as restaurants or hospitals. Drinking milk can be:

.Raw - not heated above 40°C or treated for the same effect
.Whole - heat treated with the fat content of at least 3.5 per cent
.Semi-skimmed - heat treated with fat content of between 1.5 per cent and 1.8 per cent
.Skimmed - heat treated with fat content of 0.5 per cent maximum

Milk content and modifications

The fat content of milk is defined as the ratio - by mass - of parts of milk fat per hundred parts of milk. Protein content is the ratio by mass of parts of protein per hundred parts of milk. To avoid confusion, you should inform your customers of your milk’s exact nature and composition.

You can modify milk in the following ways:

.Changing the fat content by adding or removing cream, or by mixing with whole, semi-skimmed or skimmed milk
.Enriching with milk proteins, mineral salts or vitamins
.Reducing the lactose content by converting it to glucose and galactose
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Re: How do they make semi-skimmed and skimmed milk?
« Reply #27 on: 08/11/2020 08:37:25 »
Quote from: sciencefreak24 on 28/06/2020 09:35:33
To make SKIMMED MILK, they remove the ‘cream’ that which supports life for the infant cow and they thin the “milk” with water making it contain less fat. Fat is what FEEDS YOUR BRAIN, the types of fat that are found in coconut flesh, avocados, nuts and seeds, real pumpkins, and many other foods that grow on the Earth and sustain you.
Marbled meat contains alot of fat too, unfortunately like you say the factory farm system is not good, stocked with animals for fast growth or production, we should bring back old breeds of livestock that carry more fat grow slower and taste better.  Eating tasty animals should be favoured.
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Re: How do they make semi-skimmed and skimmed milk?
« Reply #28 on: 08/11/2020 09:27:06 »
Quote from: sciencefreak24 on 28/06/2020 09:35:33
To make SKIMMED MILK, they remove the ‘cream’ that which supports life for the infant cow and they thin the “milk” with water making it contain less fat.
This is incorrect. You cannot add water to milk and still call it milk under UK regulations.
The other bit about fat and brain is also wrong.
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Re: How do they make semi-skimmed and skimmed milk?
« Reply #29 on: 08/11/2020 21:53:52 »
I got it from the government website:
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/dairy-farming-and-schemes
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