i need help on a gravity question please guys

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i need help on a gravity question please guys
« on: 27/03/2008 22:32:44 »
[diagram=327_0] the square weight weighs 300kg the round one weighs 300kg .
the round weight is thrown of the ledge .
from top to bottom it's 6 m .
if there is no wind drag or little friction on the lip of the ledge how fast will the square be traveling when it gets to the end ?.
a hard one i know but i'm confident one of you can help.
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same two weights  but the time the round one is attached to a pulley and th rope is attached to the end of the ledge so in effect the round drops 6 m but the square will travel 12 m as the weight drops .
can i ask at what speed will it be traveling in this scenario??
please woody and thanks


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« Reply #1 on: 28/03/2008 00:48:00 »
My worry would be the amount of friction in your system.

Would you not think a trebuchet could achieve the same end with less friction?

There may be reasons why you wish to use a linear catapult, but you will have to make careful assessment of the points of friction (which would be far greater than the would be for a trebuchet).

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« Reply #2 on: 28/03/2008 07:44:09 »
George, I believe woodyapex (treetop?) wants to launch a flying machine of some sort.
Fledgling science site at http://www.sciencefile.org/SF/content/view/54/98/ needs members and original articles. If you can help, please join.

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« Reply #3 on: 28/03/2008 08:05:21 »
My worry would be the amount of friction in your system.

Would you not think a trebuchet could achieve the same end with less friction?

There may be reasons why you wish to use a linear catapult, but you will have to make careful assessment of the points of friction (which would be far greater than the would be for a trebuchet).
i just used two different shapes so i could name them round and square ! the square will be on wheels so very little friction and at the point where the rope turns at a right angle will be a roller so very little friction there too.
another if you can help that would be great.
thanks "treetop " lol

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« Reply #4 on: 28/03/2008 13:16:26 »
F = mg = 300*9.8

accelerating 600kg (assuming rope is not stretchable and no friction etc)

So Acceleration a = 300*9.8/600 = 4.9m/s/s (or g/2)

After 6m

v = sqrt(2*a*s) where s=6
v = sqrt(58.84) = 7.67 m/s

Alternatively you can use energy conservation

2m*v*v/2 = m*g*s
v = sqrt(g*s) = sqrt(9.8*6) = 7.67 m/s as before

2nd question...

Just using energy conservation is easier here.

You know that the energy gained is (as before) m*g*s

And you know that the square weight will have twice the velocity (v) of the round one which will result in the total final kinetic energy being m*v*v/2 + m*(2v)*(2v)/2 = 5*m*v*v/2

so 5*m*v*v/2 = m*g*s

v = sqrt(2*g*s/5) = 4.85m/s (approx) with the square weight at 9.7m/s


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« Reply #5 on: 01/04/2008 10:11:04 »
thanks a lot graham . just what i needed to know . unfortunately at the minute we are not in the flugtag but i'm going to keep trying .
thanks for your time
woody

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« Reply #6 on: 01/04/2008 12:10:02 »
My worry would be the amount of friction in your system.

Would you not think a trebuchet could achieve the same end with less friction?

There may be reasons why you wish to use a linear catapult, but you will have to make careful assessment of the points of friction (which would be far greater than the would be for a trebuchet).
Looks like a homework assignment to me! That's the reason for the odd setup.
We should charge for help with those.