RYAN & NEILS UNKNOWN BUGS

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RYAN & NEILS UNKNOWN BUGS
« on: 01/10/2004 14:32:07 »



These bugs are presented to you from an 8 year old wonderful boy called RYAN.....anybody got any clues what they are.

They are via Broca by the way...I'm just a photo conduit !

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« Reply #1 on: 01/10/2004 14:33:48 »
...oops..I realise they are large files and I will reduce them when i get home from work !!

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« Reply #2 on: 01/10/2004 14:55:34 »
Thank you Neil! RyAN THANKS YOU!   He is loving this. You  did a very good deed today! *
 

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« Reply #3 on: 01/10/2004 15:02:11 »
Broca....pass on our thanks to Ryan for his wonderful bugs....and I've just manged to reduce the size a little.......have a great weekend.

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« Reply #4 on: 01/10/2004 15:20:05 »
Nice photos!  I'm no entomologist, but this looks like a queen ant to me.

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« Reply #5 on: 01/10/2004 17:58:03 »
We thought that too, but we ruled it out. We could be wrong, :-)   but the queen ants we found in photos had a different shape, sometimes wings, and although we didn't measure it, we thought it too large as well. Some queens seemed to have an odd shaped back end, this does not.
 

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« Reply #6 on: 01/10/2004 19:32:00 »
Maybe its some kind of termite? What does a queen termite llok like?

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« Reply #7 on: 01/10/2004 19:52:46 »
Ok- changed my mind - queen termites have white abdomens!

No idea what it is - it does look fantastic though! Kinda like the top half of an ant with a huge abdomen. What sort of size is it?

Did Ryan find it near a pond or something?

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« Reply #8 on: 01/10/2004 20:23:42 »
It's a little tricky to tell what size it is Broca and Ryan...how would you compare it's size to a credit card for instance ?

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« Reply #9 on: 01/10/2004 22:03:17 »
Well it is definitely not a termite. It has the morphology of an ant, based on two pictures. What species, or what memeber of the hive, I dun't knowww.
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« Reply #10 on: 04/10/2004 15:40:36 »
We have come to the conclusion that the bug was about 2 inches long. It was shimery with a bluish color. Ryan found it in his driveway which is in the city. It was climbing up the chimney. He has not seen any others.
It looks in one of the pictures as though it had wings, it did not. Ryam also tells me he found the back was "squishy." He did not have a hard outer shell.
Thank you for your help.
 

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« Reply #11 on: 04/10/2004 16:43:50 »
well, I've spent the last half hour looking through hundreds of google images for , aphids, weevils, ants, beetles  etc and the ' queen' versions and I haven't found anything remotely like it.....I wonder if Justin (Mayoflyfarmer) will know......or...perhaps RYAN has discovered a new species !!!!

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« Reply #12 on: 05/10/2004 19:20:17 »
You are doing great for Neil! Keep up the good work! We couldn't find anything either!
 

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« Reply #13 on: 05/10/2004 20:38:41 »
I've got so boss-eyed searching , that I think I'm turning into Ryans bug !!

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« Reply #14 on: 05/10/2004 23:56:57 »
Now that I would like a picture of! <laughing>
 

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« Reply #15 on: 07/10/2004 23:55:24 »
We have not had very good luck finding another bug the same or getting info from any biologist type person.I think this has been a great learning experience for Ryan and for myself. I was so busy, I did not do a good job with gathering the right info about the bug. I didn't think the bug would be such an enigma. I thank all the help from you people...especially Neil...it has been a great adventure for Ryan and one day I am sure he will be a part of this site with wonderful things to add. *
 

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« Reply #16 on: 08/10/2004 00:52:10 »
I'm just sorry too we never got the answer....(yet !!!)....when I get a chance I'll try and submit the piccys to a few entomologists and see what happens....

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« Reply #17 on: 09/10/2004 22:32:42 »
Well...I just emailed the pictures to a few entomology orientated websites...they'll probably think it's a virus (my email that is) or spam...but I did mention the website, so, the best thing that can happen is that we'll get an answer, the worse, we'll get a few more conributors...(which ain't bad of course)......GEE !!...what do other people do at 22:30 on a Saturday night ?...probably a lot more than me at the moment :-)

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« Reply #18 on: 10/10/2004 16:49:49 »
<laughing>  Neil, I am so glad that you have a new hobby! sheesh!! I can't wait to see what happens. I know Ryan is thrilled. :-)
 

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« Reply #19 on: 11/10/2004 11:16:16 »
quote:
Originally posted by Broca

<laughing>  Neil, I am so glad that you have a new hobby! sheesh!! I can't wait to see what happens. I know Ryan is thrilled. :-)



i got an answer !!!...........

Hi Neil,

It is an oil beetle. Belongs to the blister beetle family Meloidae, genus
Meloe. You can learn a bit more from the following website
http://www.arkive.org/species/ARK/invertebrates_terrestrial_and_freshwater/Meloe_proscarabaeus/

Hope this helps.
Robert W. Matthews
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Cheers, Bob Matthews, aka bugdoc


YAYY....I also did a google search for oil beetles (use IMAGE search) and YES...it is !!!!, at least we  know what it is now [:D]


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« Reply #20 on: 11/10/2004 11:30:08 »
thats because the last part isn't highlighted as a link - copy the bit that appears in yellow then click the link, then when its told you the page doesn't exist paste in this last bit and try again.

we've been having our own bug identification fun too! we discovered we have got devils coach horse bugs in our house! they look like very long black beetles, but when annoyed they rear their back end up like a scorpian and spray foul smelling brown stuff at you from a white gland. they seem to like living in bark chippings, which our housing developers use in abundance, but they're harmless fortunatley!

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« Reply #21 on: 11/10/2004 12:09:56 »
Thanks Lindsay...all sorted now....Phew !!!...your bug prob sounds like stinky fun !!!....hope it doesn't pose any more probs for you.....does the brown stuff they spray at you actually leave a visbile desposit or is just a horrible foul stench ?...good luck anyway ...

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« Reply #22 on: 11/10/2004 12:37:40 »
oops...just want people to know that I had a problem with the weblink and Fishytails helped me out....just in case you think the first sentence of her posting above is nonsensical.......wouldn't want anyone to look silly......I do a good enough job of doing that myself [:)]


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« Reply #23 on: 12/10/2004 10:52:06 »
glad you got the link working! my e-mail always cuts of the last bit of a link in that way, probably just to annoy me.

we havn't seen any devils coach horses in the last few days, maybe they're all gone for the winter. until next year then ...

but the brown stinky stuff does stain - luckily all over a magazine we were shooing it out with and not on our carpet (I hope).

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« Reply #24 on: 12/10/2004 15:55:04 »
WOW!! What an exciting day we have had here in the classroom! We are so happy that we have a name for the bug. THANKS NEIL!!! Thank you everyone! Ryan has the web site info copied and is very proud and excited. Amazing that it is a vulnerable bug! It came here from Britain, how cool is that!
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« Reply #25 on: 12/10/2004 20:48:26 »
quote:
Originally posted by Broca

WOW!! What an exciting day we have had here in the classroom! We are so happy that we have a name for the bug. THANKS NEIL!!! Thank you everyone! Ryan has the web site info copied and is very proud and excited. Amazing that it is a vulnerable bug! It came here from Britain, how cool is that!
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Can we have our bug back then please ?[:D][:D][:D]

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« Reply #26 on: 12/10/2004 23:13:55 »
Well yes, yes you can have your bug back, but I am bringing it....myself...no kids! :-)
 

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« Reply #27 on: 12/10/2004 23:17:06 »
Bugdoc rules   and so do you Neil!
 

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« Reply #28 on: 21/10/2004 02:21:12 »


Now I have my own bug too !!..I know it's a rubbish picture, but because it's 2:20am here there's no natural sunlight and the flash just makes it pure white, so I had to turn the flash off and get as close as possible, makes focusing tricky......but this bug...perhaps a relative of Ryans Oil Beetle, is only half an inch long......oh, at this very moment it's just stationery on my kitchen door frame...

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« Reply #29 on: 21/10/2004 15:16:08 »
I just emailed the brilliant 'bugdoc' my bug....if we're lucky he may reply directly here as I included the link to this page......YAYYYYYY !!!
...oh...I just realised...my link may not work unless bugdoc is a registered user....hmm....we'll see.


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« Reply #30 on: 21/10/2004 15:44:35 »
looks like a weevil to me, not got my trusty insect book here though, so I'm probably wrong.

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« Reply #31 on: 21/10/2004 17:21:39 »
Ryan is thrilled...he thinks it does look like his bug. He would like to know if you are going to disect it? :-)
 

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« Reply #32 on: 21/10/2004 17:28:01 »
I had a 'birdman of alcatraz' moment.....I opened the window and set it free.....of course that will probably mean that I've just condemned it to an ,ahem,....early retirement !!!!

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« Reply #33 on: 21/10/2004 23:30:44 »
The more I look at it it does not look like Ryans bug....his had a gleen to it! Ryan has now taken to catching bugs on their last leg and saving them for "pinning." He would never be able to kill them! I do thank everyone..especially Neil for the encouragement of this whole bug thing, but not as much as Ryans parents appreciate it. His mom has threatened me with several "pinned" insects in a beautiful case as a Christmas present, but she went on to say she would bring her son over for a surprise visit to my home meaning that the bugs would HAVE to be hanging on my wall. She thought she was being funny, but we all know the bugs WOULD be hanging on my wall! <laughing>  proudly!
 

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« Reply #34 on: 22/10/2004 00:09:49 »
I agree...it is most certainly a different bug altogether, but as a first glance the structure looked similar...certainly my bug (where ever it is now !)..is a lot lot smaller, definitely has no sheen and had more of a mottled effect...close inspection reveals it's entirely different but I'm still hoping bugdoc may confirm that it's related...... (three mins later)Y'know...I think Lindsay is right, it is a weevil..!!searching for weevils via the link above (ala bugdoc) brings up piccys very similar to mine...WELL DONE LINDSAY !!

Broca, can I come over to your house and play pin the tail on the bug too  ?


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« Reply #35 on: 24/10/2004 22:30:34 »
Neil...you can come over and play pin the tail on any household or yard bug! You bet!

 

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« Reply #36 on: 28/10/2004 19:52:29 »
...I just so wanna jump on that plane...I might just do it !!

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« Reply #37 on: 28/10/2004 23:31:11 »
Hey Neil, when you come over, drop by my place!  It's only about 1500 miles southwest from Broca's!  And you can come too Broca!

I found a really cool insect the other day.  I was out hiking in the woods and came across this insect on a dead log.  It was about two inches long and very thin.  The head and thorax looked like a wasp, but the abdomen was about an inch and a half.  It's legs were very long and thin.  It was colored yellow and brown all over - very pretty.  At the back of the abdomen there was a clear membrane that spread out to a half inch high and had a couple of loops of a black wire looking something.  The insect was holding its tail way up high, pointing almost straight up, and coming out the front of the abdomen was an extension of the black wire at the back.  This was stuck down into a small crack in the log and the bug was apparently working hard getting it further down in there.

Now, I had no clue what this thing was, but I assumed it was laying an egg down in that log.  When I got home, I told my son about it, and he decided it was probably an ichneumon wasp, and that I was very lucky to have seen one because they are rare.  So, a few seconds with Google and I discovered that my 14 year old son was correct (even about how to spell it!).  Here is a picture:
http://insects.tamu.edu/images/insects/common/images/cd-43-c-txt/cimg327.html

Pretty cool!

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« Reply #38 on: 01/11/2004 14:38:02 »
wow, I'm very proud of my bug identification skills! I have to admit I forgot all about it after my earlier reply and didn't look it up. sorry!