[TheHerbaholic]

hahahaahaha I'm sorry Moron, if only I could reach your status.

OK it may not have been intercourse, maybe somebody was chopping up a chimp already killed to cook, and cut his finger and the blood mixed with the chimps.

But if I'm the moron, explain how Aids came about in the first place?

[backgroundwhitenoise]

I'm not going to claim to know how aids started, or why its not cured (as it seems most people in this forum have) can i just ask that if people object to your idea, prove them wrong. For example "TheHerbaholic" instead of throwing around demeaning terms directed at the people who disagree  with you, tell us how you found that out and why its credible information. Thats whats gonna make us believe what you post (or if not believe then mabey respect you for posting it)

(by the way kudos to "nobodeysavedme" for the good arguments)

[blaze]

Because HIV isn't the cause of AIDS, at least that's what some researchers are saying, and I believe it.

http://www.virusmyth.com/aids/hiv/pdscience88.htm

AIDS is a problem with the immune system, not any one specific virus. Most AIDS patients die of pneumonia or other serious infections - never from the HIV virus that is supposedly killing them.

[_Stefan_]

Blaze, HIV causes AIDS, which is the destruction of the immune system. A weakened immune system means the body is vulnerable to other infections, many of which can result in death.

HIV deniers are among the most despicable rejectors of scientific medicine. Please don't fall prey to their propaganda. Here are some web pages debunking the virusmyth.com claims:
http://www.thebody.com/content/art6541.html
http://www.thebody.com/Forums/AIDS/Fatigue/Current/Q196020.html

[blaze]

Well then, two years ago I had "AIDS" with chronic Lyme.

I have Lyme, babesiosis, bartonella, Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever, Typhus, and staph so far, along with parvo, EBV, HHV6 - but I'm HIV negative, so what happened?

[_Stefan_]

Are you saying that since you've had so many diseases, you have AIDS? Did you ever think you could be unresistant to those pathogens due to your genetics and lifestyle? And since when did AIDS last for such a short period of time and then disappear?

[rosy]

Just because someone has a deficient immune system doesn't mean that they have AIDS.

[blaze]

Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome is a symptom - a collection of symptoms - not a disease.

If your immune system collapses and you are HIV positive, you have AIDS.

If your immune system completely collapses, yet you don't test positive for HIV, even though you are dying from immunodeficiency and multiple opportunistic infections, you don't have Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome. Got it.

It reminds me of how I was diagnosed with 'fibromyalgia' (which means something like fibrous muscle pain) and 'Chronic Fatigue Syndrome' - instead of Lyme and radiation poisoning. Seems like a play on words here.

You wouldn't call 'runny nose' a diagnosis, would you?

Fibromyalgia, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, and yeah, even AIDS - they are all just a collection of symptoms with fancy names that sound intelligent (and subconsciously justify the cost of what we pay to see a doctor), yet obscure the fact that doctors are clueless as to what really causes any of them.

And the red ribbon they have now is proof that they are committed to finding a cure for AIDS patients - just like the pink ribbon is a sign of their commitment to find that cure for breast cancer.

[_Stefan_]

Haven't you heard of non-HIV AIDS? Google it.

If you don't have non-HIV AIDS, then you probably have a weak immune system due to some other reason. Please stop jumping to the conclusion that HIV does not cause AIDS just because you did not experience it to. But if you're so confident that HIV is not responsible for AIDS, by all means inoculate yourself with the virus and see what happens.

You're here disagreeing with scientific consensus with absolutely no basis. You will not find much sympathy towards your opinions on this >science< forum. Cheers.

[blaze]

Non-HIV AIDS? Come on now. That just sounds stupid.

And I've been eating healthier within the last 3 years or so than I'd ever eaten, and certainly healthier than most people eat today, yet still two of my four immunoglobulins remain low - the very ones that fight things like Lyme, staph, strep, candida, etc...

And when did I ever say I wanted anyone's sympathy here? I'm here to argue possibility, bounce theories - what scientists should be doing, but they end up being side-tracked by those who believe all that was to be learned in a certain subject area has already been learned - so they just keep moving on, never questioning those things that supposedly were already 'proven' by someone else.

Science needs more people like me. They've been looking for the causes and cures for so many diseases for ions now, and they still come up empty-handed, even with the billions and billions of dollars that have been spent.

I'd agree to be innoculated with the HIV virus, but only if I was shielded from all man-generated sources of EMF/RF. Because that is what makes the HIV virus fatal. And that is why I have "non-HIV AIDS" as you call it, even with high titers of parvo, EBV, and HHV6 - and no HIV.