Do you believe that UFOs are real?

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Do you believe that UFOs are real?
« on: 27/08/2008 00:48:57 »
Do you believe in UFOs?
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Re: Do you believe that UFOs are real?
« Reply #1 on: 27/08/2008 01:04:19 »
I do !
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Re: Do you believe that UFOs are real?
« Reply #2 on: 27/08/2008 01:06:25 »
YES!

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Re: Do you believe that UFOs are real?
« Reply #3 on: 27/08/2008 04:58:35 »
as in ones that have come to earth and interacted with humans? No


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Re: Do you believe that UFOs are real?
« Reply #4 on: 27/08/2008 12:25:01 »
No I don't belive in UFOs they are all made up things from people's over-active imagination.
Rosalind Franklin was my first cousin and one my life's main regrets is that I never met this brilliant and beautiful lady.
She discovered the Single DNA Helix in 1953, then it was taken by Wilkins without her knowledge or agreeement.

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Re: Do you believe that UFOs are real?
« Reply #5 on: 27/08/2008 12:40:26 »
Everey time wifey cooks that's an UIO (Unidentifiable Inedible Object)
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Re: Do you believe that UFOs are real?
« Reply #6 on: 27/08/2008 13:09:16 »
A metal vehicle just cant travel around the universe light speed makes this an impossibility

However A friend and I once saw a cloud like object that did not move in relation to the other clouds. It was green in colour fringed with red and very very beautiful ,so beautiful my froend began to weep.

Our respective wives both said we made up the story and 30 years later are still convinced we were deluded or worse.

Maybe these objects are right next to us, just separated by a portals into other dimensions/ Who knows but there must be some explanation for them

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Re: Do you believe that UFOs are real?
« Reply #7 on: 27/08/2008 17:09:59 »
Genuine objects that are flying and not readily identifiable are reported regularly.

It is a mistake to assume that because they aren't immediately recognisable that they are from another part of the Universe.

Does anybody remember von Daniken? "Scientists/Archaeologists can't explain it therefore it must be aliens" - well it's that kind of thinking. [::)]

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« Reply #8 on: 27/08/2008 17:23:22 »
A metal vehicle just cant travel around the universe light speed makes this an impossibility

However A friend and I once saw a cloud like object that did not move in relation to the other clouds. It was green in colour fringed with red and very very beautiful ,so beautiful my froend began to weep.

Our respective wives both said we made up the story and 30 years later are still convinced we were deluded or worse.

Maybe these objects are right next to us, just separated by a portals into other dimensions/ Who knows but there must be some explanation for them

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Well, I'm convinced !!

But are ewe sure it just wasn't a great big jet engined spinach pizza ?

It happens y'know !
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« Reply #9 on: 27/08/2008 20:58:36 »
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Does anybody remember von Daniken? "Scientists/Archaeologists can't explain it therefore it must be aliens" - well it's that kind of thinking. roll eyes
He had me completely fooled when I was at School - photographs and everything.

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Re: Do you believe that UFOs are real?
« Reply #10 on: 27/08/2008 22:03:04 »
A friend and I once saw a cloud like object...

Possibly this type of cloud  ...

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http://pic1.piczo.com/valuca/?g=25544746&cr=1#

These lenticular clouds are probably responsible for "flying saucer" type "UFO" sightings.
« Last Edit: 27/08/2008 22:17:35 by RD »

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Re: Do you believe that UFOs are real?
« Reply #11 on: 27/08/2008 22:26:45 »
A metal vehicle just cant travel around the universe light speed makes this an impossibility

However A friend and I once saw a cloud like object that did not move in relation to the other clouds. It was green in colour fringed with red and very very beautiful ,so beautiful my froend began to weep.

Our respective wives both said we made up the story and 30 years later are still convinced we were deluded or worse.

Maybe these objects are right next to us, just separated by a portals into other dimensions/ Who knows but there must be some explanation for them

Regards

Alan

Alan what do Aeroplanes and Helicopters do then?

Fly in the air. And they are paid for with mainly public money unless these vehilcles are privately owned.
   
Rosalind Franklin was my first cousin and one my life's main regrets is that I never met this brilliant and beautiful lady.
She discovered the Single DNA Helix in 1953, then it was taken by Wilkins without her knowledge or agreeement.

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Re: Do you believe that UFOs are real?
« Reply #12 on: 28/08/2008 13:59:43 »
While we are on the subject of atmospheric phenomena being misinterpreted as paranormal...

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The magnificent Aurora Borealis (Northern Lights) in all its glory.
The awe-inspiring "Angel" captured over the statue of Sir David Stirling DSO (Doune, Scotland).
 
http://www.newscientist.com/blog/photos/2006/10/aurora-borealis.html
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Re: Do you believe that UFOs are real?
« Reply #13 on: 28/08/2008 16:41:01 »
Rosalind - I think Alan's problem was with light speed flight, not flight itself.  At least I assume so, if he's proposing that planes can't really fly I think we'll have to send that post to 'New Theories'!

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Re: Do you believe that UFOs are real?
« Reply #14 on: 28/08/2008 17:11:34 »
Everey time wifey cooks that's an UIO (Unidentifiable Inedible Object)

Your wife cooks????????? Wow, I wish I had one of those. [:-'(]

The first and last time 'er indoors made (I mean tried to make) pastry, there were some very identifiable flying object in our kitchen, most collided with the wall and took a hammer & cold chisel to get them off. [:o)]

But seriously, I agree with Rosalind "they are all made up things from people's over-active imagination."

If there are other beings out there, and I have no reason to doubt there are, I doubt we will ever meet. The distances between systems such as ours which can support life are far too great. As for worm holes, transporter beams, warp drive and so on, these are best left to Star Trek & Dr Who. Pure speculation elevated into the realms of fantasy.
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Re: Do you believe that UFOs are real?
« Reply #15 on: 28/08/2008 21:07:54 »
Everey time wifey cooks that's an UIO (Unidentifiable Inedible Object)

Your wife cooks????????? Wow, I wish I had one of those. [:-'(]




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Re: Do you believe that UFOs are real?
« Reply #16 on: 28/08/2008 21:23:17 »
As I have just written in another thread transportation of matter or rather a copy of matter has been done scientifically. The problem is we would have to have the same tech. on earth that the aleins have on their planet in order to receive a transported alien. Also transmission of the data for a whole body would take a very long time but if the aliens had better tech. they may be able to transmit data quicker.
First contact would have to be made before transportation could occur.

I don't rule anything out but I do like proof.
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« Reply #17 on: 28/08/2008 21:44:49 »
As I have just written in another thread transportation of matter or rather a copy of matter has been done scientifically. The problem is we would have to have the same tech. on earth that the aleins have on their planet in order to receive a transported alien. Also transmission of the data for a whole body would take a very long time but if the aliens had better tech. they may be able to transmit data quicker.
First contact would have to be made before transportation could occur.

I don't rule anything out but I do like proof.

Is that Proofessor Hawking ewe like ?..I like him !   [::)]
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Re: Do you believe that UFOs are real?
« Reply #18 on: 28/08/2008 21:46:34 »
Rosalind - I think Alan's problem was with light speed flight, not flight itself.  At least I assume so, if he's proposing that planes can't really fly I think we'll have to send that post to 'New Theories'!

Ben that might the right point but I know that airplanes do and can fly as I see the airplanes go over/near my home daily.
Noisy too.
Rosalind Franklin was my first cousin and one my life's main regrets is that I never met this brilliant and beautiful lady.
She discovered the Single DNA Helix in 1953, then it was taken by Wilkins without her knowledge or agreeement.

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« Reply #19 on: 28/08/2008 22:09:03 »
As I have just written in another thread transportation of matter or rather a copy of matter has been done scientifically...

I don't rule anything out but I do like proof.

Surely a consequence of Heisenberg's uncertainty principle is that making an exact copy of anything is impossible.
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« Reply #20 on: 28/08/2008 22:23:45 »
Read the other thread in the new theories section. This problem is solved by quantum entanglement. I'm not a quantum physicist but I think two entangle particles will be opposite to each other so if you know what one is you will know the other is the opposite. This means you can measure one particle without changing it as you are actually examining its opposite.

Try this

www.newstatesman.com/200510170013
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« Reply #21 on: 28/08/2008 23:32:41 »
Teleportation hypotheses involving quantum entanglement seem to imply that instantaneous (superluminal) communication is possible.

I'm sceptical about any theory which predicts that something (even information) could travel faster than the speed of light.
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« Reply #22 on: 29/08/2008 01:36:19 »
Physicists have teleported a few subatomic particles across their lab.

A conservative estimate is that using an 8 meg broadband connection, transmitting an entire human body would take about 40,000 billion years.

which is nice !


As far as travelling faster than the speed of light, I heard somewhere, in fact I think it was good old P Moore speculate that the only thing that might travel faster than the speed of light is the expansion of the Universe. His, remark was a retort against a statement that nothing could travel faster than the speed of light within the Universe.

I think it was him !
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Re: Do you believe that UFOs are real?
« Reply #23 on: 29/08/2008 03:42:39 »
I  dont believe in UFO's .

Foot odour is a common problem and  is usally caused by sweaty feet and can normally be combated by better hygiene practices. [;)]
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« Reply #24 on: 29/08/2008 11:15:41 »
Everey time wifey cooks that's an UIO (Unidentifiable Inedible Object)

Your wife cooks????????? Wow, I wish I had one of those. [:-'(]

The first and last time 'er indoors made (I mean tried to make) pastry, there were some very identifiable flying object in our kitchen, most collided with the wall and took a hammer & cold chisel to get them off. [:o)]

But seriously, I agree with Rosalind "they are all made up things from people's over-active imagination."

If there are other beings out there, and I have no reason to doubt there are, I doubt we will ever meet. The distances between systems such as ours which can support life are far too great. As for worm holes, transporter beams, warp drive and so on, these are best left to Star Trek & Dr Who. Pure speculation elevated into the realms of fantasy.

Don I thought that I was the only person, who had similar feelingss about the UFO's stories.
I know that Patrick Moore is well-known in the Astronomical circles
and on BBC TV as well but it's nearer to quantum sciences.

I agree that UFOs are best kept for TV or sci-fi book fiction
than in the reality of life. IMO.


(Which Rosalind doesn't understand)
 
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She discovered the Single DNA Helix in 1953, then it was taken by Wilkins without her knowledge or agreeement.

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Re: Do you believe that UFOs are real?
« Reply #25 on: 29/08/2008 17:44:24 »
Physicists have teleported a few subatomic particles across their lab.

A conservative estimate is that using an 8 meg broadband connection, transmitting an entire human body would take about 40,000 billion years.

I'll not wait up then.
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« Reply #26 on: 29/08/2008 19:03:31 »
Physicists have teleported a few subatomic particles across their lab.

A conservative estimate is that using an 8 meg broadband connection, transmitting an entire human body would take about 40,000 billion years.

I'll not wait up then.

LOL LOL LOL
Rosalind Franklin was my first cousin and one my life's main regrets is that I never met this brilliant and beautiful lady.
She discovered the Single DNA Helix in 1953, then it was taken by Wilkins without her knowledge or agreeement.

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« Reply #27 on: 30/08/2008 12:26:41 »
However A friend and I once saw a cloud like object that did not move in relation to the other clouds. It was green in colour fringed with red and very very beautiful ,so beautiful my froend began to weep.

Reading that made me weep.

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« Reply #28 on: 30/08/2008 13:58:29 »
My whole family noticed one last night night at around about 10:30 pm . It was quite strange and reminded me of an egg.

My Daughter tried to say it was produced by me ,however as it was a silent one and we couldn't determine from where it came,we decided to officially log it as a UFO. A unidentified Fart Odour 
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« Reply #29 on: 02/09/2008 17:14:08 »
Guys I said it was a greenish cloud like object, decidedly not a helicopter or aeroplane

But I also stated that it was an object of some sort, I did not say UFO or spaceship
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« Reply #30 on: 04/09/2008 00:18:29 »
The way you ask the question gives away your position. You chose the word believe. This implies that you have no data. If you had data, you should be able to produce the evidence and others should be able to verify your results or come to the same conclusions. In this case, the answer is obvious.

Regarding the larger questions:
1. Is it possible that life exists elsewhere in the universe? I would suggest that given the enormous number of stars and planets the probability is quite high. Thus, my answer is based solely on a statistical argument.
2. Is it possible that earth has been visited (within the past few thousand years) by beings from another world? I would again, refer to the observational data (the vast distances between the stars and our current understanding of the laws of the universe). Based on this data, I would suggest that the probability is extremely low.

I would discourage anyone from using the word "believe" or similar term to express a conclusion or to put forth a scientific argument. The term is founded in philosophy and carries personal biases into the discussion. Thus, any conclusions based on "belief" are subject to scrutiny.

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« Reply #31 on: 04/09/2008 12:31:09 »
I agree. The only time you would be justified in making a subjective choice is when neither of the two alternatives has a really clinching argument or data. (Or if you really fancy one of the protagonists)