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I hope are not too sidetracked from what we started talking about. i.e the origin of matter.
As to the rest: viruses have always plagued humans; humans have always performed hostile acts towards others, and terrorists are actually not a major cause of death; Climate change is the only phenomenon which can even remotely fit your criteria, but it hardly promotes your cause, because the earth has experienced multiple dramatic climate fluctuations before.
You mean you're pulling those facts out of thin air.
Not all facts are true.
FACT: a thing that is indisputably the caseConcise oxford dictionary
Yet none of the types of disasters you describe are unique to the present, and people 2000 years ago suffered more from them
For just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be (days of the end). For as they were in those days before the flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark; and they took no note until the flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be.
Increase in the following is undeniable :Terrorism
Immorality (including homosexuality, infidelity, pornography industry etc)
Lark of regard for others
yet again I'm sure you can finish off the list yourself.
(Laudnum was pretty popular in Victorian times. Hashish has been around for a long time and regularly used. And when was drinking Alcohol first invented? I think the Babylonians were quite keen on it.)
QuoteIncrease in the following is undeniable :Terrorism(The Bible is full of it and life on the Northwest Frontier was always that way)
(Try Ancient Rome)
Quote(Try Ancient Rome)Try Netherlands with there homosexual population. I mean you must know that this is a really free society we are living in. Even churches now condone.
Your position is not defendable. Few if any of the ills you describe are unique to modern society.
QuoteYour position is not defendable. Few if any of the ills you describe are unique to modern society.They are not unique but they are on the increase. Some may be explained to population increase, global warming and others to moral degradation (and I didn't come up with the phrase).
a large number of persons do not believe that God exists. And since many of these persons are scientists, some individuals jump to the conclusion that to believe in the existence of God the Creator is unscientific. Yet others think to be a real scientists (of astronomical proportions) you have to be Atheist. That's very unfortunate.
what do you get if you cross and atheist and a Jehovah's witness?Someone who knocks on your door for no reason.
QuoteIt could just as easily be interpreted as me getting my washing back from the laundry and finding that I haven't lost a sock.It says in clear terms that matter resulted from energy. No 2 ways about it. Quote The bible doesn't talk about science, it sticks to allusion, which is so open to interpretation as to make it meaningless in any absolute sense. Incidentally, both the ancient Greeks and Asian Indians thought that the Earth was spherical.You must have heard interpretations from guys who don't really know the bible. About Indians, it is common knowledge that they believed in an elephant with a turtle on it's back on whose back was the earth. Even just 500 years ago people were afraid of falling over the edge. And Philosophy was quite hot then.QuoteThe difference between religion and science is that religion is all about belief, and furthermore, it requires a lack of proof; when you have proof you have knowledge and belief becomes redundant. Science, on the other hand is all about knowledge, and it seeks proof. Be careful not to confuse knowledge and belief; they are mutually exclusive.Not trueQuoteThe lack of evidence for one.You exist as proof. Singularity if it existed must have come from somewhere. Isaiah explains where.
It could just as easily be interpreted as me getting my washing back from the laundry and finding that I haven't lost a sock.
The bible doesn't talk about science, it sticks to allusion, which is so open to interpretation as to make it meaningless in any absolute sense. Incidentally, both the ancient Greeks and Asian Indians thought that the Earth was spherical.
The difference between religion and science is that religion is all about belief, and furthermore, it requires a lack of proof; when you have proof you have knowledge and belief becomes redundant. Science, on the other hand is all about knowledge, and it seeks proof. Be careful not to confuse knowledge and belief; they are mutually exclusive.
The lack of evidence for one.
there are so many contradictions between the god concept and what is already understood about the physics of the universe.
You have not demonstrated this to be true. You can hardly say that the net amount of ills experienced by each person per unit of time has increased since thousands of years ago. Give it up already.
You haven't seen 10 year olds begging in streets to feed 3 younger sibling orphans of parents who have died of AIDS. Or 90% unemployment cases as in Zimbabwe.
I have seen many Magic Tricks and I saw what I saw. The trick worked for me. That doesn't mean that there really was levitation and teleportation. Witnesses (especially in the dim and distant past) are actually worth zilch as a 'proof' of anything.Old Moore's Almamanac is full of 'predictions', as are Astrologers' statements. If you are inventive enough, then you can link them to subsequent events but how often do they predict Derby winners of the state of the Stock Exchange? Are they all driving round in posher cars since the Credit Crunch arrived? Why didn't they know about it?To prove something as important as the existence of a God it would be necessary to do those same 'miracles' on demand and under laboratory conditions.Why do you guys not just accept that you have faith and that that is enough for you?I guess, if you are a Muslim, you would claim that the Koran is the right version and the others got it wrong. That's understandable. But show me a passage in that document which accurately predicts a modern event with complete lack of ambiguity.
For modern predictions Qu'ran said that there would be a time where premarriagle sex and there would be disease with it which is Aids HIV.
Quote from: Astronomer_FB on 16/02/2009 23:26:07For modern predictions Qu'ran said that there would be a time where premarriagle sex and there would be disease with it which is Aids HIV.Which affects a great deal of married, monogamous, faithful people worldwide.If you can discount the bible, which it seems you can, then why not the Qu'ran? Do you see any double standard there?
Such situations have existed since the year dot - they were not written about because they were just not remarkable OR, perhaps, because people in 'your' wonderful past ages just didn't care. At least some people care nowadays.I believe that the Christians were pretty vile to Muslims during the Crusades. Would you say they were any better than they are now?
WOW. You can't wait for the world to end. You see decline everywhere when there's really none.
the Bible shows that, in spite of the evidence that the “last days” were at hand, people would not believe it. Instead, they would ridicule: 'All things are continuing as they always have been.'
Can't wait to take a different turn in this discussion. We are discussing the existence of a creator.
QuoteWOW. You can't wait for the world to end. You see decline everywhere when there's really none.Quotethe Bible shows that, in spite of the evidence that the “last days” were at hand, people would not believe it. Instead, they would ridicule: 'All things are continuing as they always have been.'Actually this discussion has been dragging on because of something I mentioned along the thread that we are living in the last days.Can't wait to take a different turn in this discussion. We are discussing the existence of a creator.
In the United States today, we have tens of thousands of priests, rabbis, mullahs, pastors, and preachers who are paid professionals, who claim to be active and functioning mediators between people and omnipotent invisible masters of the universe. They make specific claims about their god's nature, what he's made of and what he isn't, how he thinks and acts, what you should do to propitiate it…they somehow seem to have amazingly detailed information about this being. Yet, when a scientist approaches with a critical eye, suddenly it is a creature that not only has never been observed, but cannot observed, and its actions invisible, impalpible, and immaterial.
You're not making much sense. You haven't read the blog entry properly either.
Pharyngula readers are influenced by bad spirits?
To say that the universe and it's contents is evidence for god is not valid, because there is no way to distinguish this from the alternative, that the universe arose and developed by natural processes. There is no way to test that god hypothesis and reach the conclusion that god is real, because all the evidence can be explained by reasonable natural answers.
that the universe arose and developed by natural processes
I can't imagine what it must be like to be in your head. I can't follow your logic.
The fact that you need to ask for examples means that you are ignorant of how science works and/or have not read the bible. Just open up to almost any page where the topic is God and you'll see the contradictions between God and reality.
There can be no evidence, mathematical or otherwise, fore or against the existence of any Gods.
You think there is a god, I do not. You cannot prove it to me, and I cannot disprove it to you.I think the burden of proof is on you to prove your fairy exists, you feel it's my responsibility to prove it doesn't.Where is this going to get us?