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Whether or not IBT improves varicose veins, Alun has varicose veins and apparently he also has vasculitis, (which could explain why he has has varicose veins from a young age). If Alun is not aware that apparently has vasculitis then perhaps you should mention this possibility to him as it is potentially a serious, but treatable, condition.Just spotted another red rhomboid lesion on Alun's calf ...
It also shows that Alun does not appear to have a problem with vasculitis.
He did however recently have ringworm on the same calf area.
The marks you have now circled are typical of varicose veins shrinking using IBT.
I can't help thinking about the real reasons for hiding this thread, perhaps I may be paranoid, who knows. If we openly debate this subject are we not more likely to progress to someone repeating the results even if a ďproper controlled studyĒ is skilfully avoided for another 15 years or more.
QuoteI can't help thinking about the real reasons for hiding this thread, perhaps I may be paranoid, who knows. If we openly debate this subject are we not more likely to progress to someone repeating the results even if a ďproper controlled studyĒ is skilfully avoided for another 15 years or more.Yes, you are paranoid. Nothing I would have done would have 'hidden' this thread, it would have still been here, but not duplicated the content of the other thread in which you are collecting your photographic evidence. We try not to allow any other discussion to be duplicated on two treads, so why would this one be special?Why put proper controlled study in quotation marks? And who do you think is "skillfully" avoiding testing this? There's no-one out to get you, or intentionally to block you with malice.Edit - I've just thought of another angle you could follow. It looks like people have been using inclined beds for the last 20 years or so to help with acid reflux. It could be interesting and might give you some indicative data if these people have a different incidence of certain health problems than the population as a whole. There's the chief issue that they all have an illness in common (acid reflux) but it looks as if there may be 20 years worth of data if you can find the people.
BenSorry if I misunderstood your intentions. I have bad memories of a huge amount of information becoming frozen on the Carecure forum relating to spinal cord injuries, blocked not because the information was erroneous but because certain people on there began a flame war on the threads I tried to share the information about my research into gravity and it's effects on circulation.I apologise for my paranoia and for doubting your intentions.
I have not said anywhere that IBT has cured vasculitis. Show me where it was stated please?
We have a great opportunity to help people who suffer with often horrific skin conditions including vasculitis, eczema, psoriasis, oedema, ulcer, gangrene, and loss of limb and life.
Does the statement say cure vasculitis?
I now know Alun's calf like the back of my hand 
My claim is and always will be that gravity is not a force we struggle to overcome but a driving force we benefit from, providing we are correctly aligned to it. Circulation problems have been observed to greatly improve using IBT. Varicose veins have been shown on this forum have been shown to improve. So why would vasculitis be any different? Leg ulcer has also been shown to heal using IBT. Scarletina rapidly resolved over one week in a young girl who was in considerable pain with legs swollen and skin very tight. She was told it would take several months to recover, yet did so in one week using Inclined Bed Therapy. Psoriasis also responds well. But varicose veins and oedema provide us with a sound model for showing people just how effective IBT is.You can go on arguing the toss, trying to nit pick little holes in my words. But you nor anyone else can deny what has been put before you thanks to Alun!What about the impressive blood pressure changes Karen reported along with reports of rapidly vanishing long standing oedema problem, only to return when she placed her bed flat?And then thereís Alison or Old Dragon as known on this forum. She also has reported huge improvements in her oedema using inclined bed therapy.The sad thing really is here that all it would take is a simple controlled study to wipe the smug condescending smiles of your faces. And this is precisely the reason no medical controlled study has been forthcoming because anyone reading about this research would know the outcome of such a trial before it took place. Like I said skilfully avoided.
When you look at the stars at night, ill bet you can make out familiar shapes by joining the dots?
Ben, any circulation problem should respond well to IBT. Many have and Vasculitis should be no exception to this logic. ...When I say IBT can help, I really do mean it can help, and base this claim on many previous case histories with a range of illnesses and injuries.Varicose veins is the least complicated condition that can be shown to respond. This is the reason we need a simple study. The company that manufactures the wedge is known to me. They have piggybacked their product on the existing research from the medical profession and do not require data to back up their claims.
Have we moved away from the theory? I think we're on safer ground now.
BC swimming does not remove the effects of gravity. Buoyancy is not avoiding gravity any more than freefalling from an aircraft is. Solutes will move freely inside the body and they are in effect swimming in fluids. If this were the case then my experiments would not work either as the dissolved solutes within are in fact swimming in water, yet gravity does not appear to be comprimised.Postural Orthostatic hypotension is more commonly felt when standing from laying horizontal. When horizontal, the renal function is not performing as well as it should be and salts are stored in the body rather than in the bladder (incidentally this has been proven using a simple hydrometer) IBT on the other hand allows kidney function to remove more salts and produce denser urine in the bladder. On standing after IBT there is little to no evidence of orthostatic hypotension. Research into spinal cord injury and IBT revealed this to be the case in people with complete and incomplete spinal cord injuries. Even in cases where a person would normally black out on trying to use a standing frame, the effects of hypotension were not felt following IBT. However, prolong sitting in a wheelchair did produce hypotension on standing in a frame.Quote from: Bored chemist on 12/01/2009 18:51:13AKF, you seem to have missed my point, if I had said "eating oranges" instead of " watching TV" the essence of my post would have been the same.Just because one state of affairs doesn't stop varicose veins does not mean that a different state will.Incidentally, if gravity drove the circulation you would die if you went swimming. In water the bouyancy essentially removes gravit's effect.Your circulation would vary wildly as you stood up or lay down. In the real wortld postural hypotension is viewed as an unusual condition- worthy of treatment.God help you if you were upside down (and I think that, even if we don't do it now, we all did this as children.The single clearest evidence that the heart provides circulation rather than some strange effect of gravity is when your heart stops you die.End of story.
AKF, you seem to have missed my point, if I had said "eating oranges" instead of " watching TV" the essence of my post would have been the same.Just because one state of affairs doesn't stop varicose veins does not mean that a different state will.Incidentally, if gravity drove the circulation you would die if you went swimming. In water the bouyancy essentially removes gravit's effect.Your circulation would vary wildly as you stood up or lay down. In the real wortld postural hypotension is viewed as an unusual condition- worthy of treatment.God help you if you were upside down (and I think that, even if we don't do it now, we all did this as children.The single clearest evidence that the heart provides circulation rather than some strange effect of gravity is when your heart stops you die.End of story.
He waits patiently for an alternative explanation for varicose veins and oedema improving on an inclined bed head up tilt of five degrees to the horizontal that does not involve placebo. Placebo cannot address the huge improvements reported relating to swollen veins and legs.
True placebo effect...sorry, you cannot view external links. To see them, please
REGISTER or LOGINThis can only be studied if an untreated group is included along with active and placebo treated groups. However, these are relatively uncommon but it has been discovered that: * Placebo treatment is more effective in relieving pain compared with no treatment. To achieve this, patients need to be conscious (placebo was given to sleeping patients and no difference noted). * Objective clinical parameters can be changed by placebo treatment, e.g. oedema and an increase in C-reactive protein level following oral surgery. * Physical placebos, e.g. sham acupuncture are more powerful than simple oral placebos.3 * Topical placebo is also more effective than oral placebo, e.g. in primary varicose veins.
Many people with multiple sclerosis benefit from sleeping on an angle and as suggested all those years ago in apaper stating that MS is not a disease but a problem with circulation it would appear that this paper was fairly accurate after all.. ...sorry, you cannot view external links. To see them, please
REGISTER or LOGIN".However this improvement is explicable as the patients being wrongly diagnosed with MS when they actually have an MS-like vasculopathic (ischemic) disorder, e.g. cerebral vasculitis.The vasodilation temporarily increases blood flow to areas of brain which do not have an adequate blood supply because of vascular disease, (analogous to nitrate vasodilator use by a person having an attack of angina).