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quote:Originally posted by chimeraEspecially if you find out that these numbers come with '3' at heart (Niven Harshad numbers), like the number of quarks in particles, and that they propagate in a 24-fold cycle (always), which happens to be the number of possible mesons you can make - the building blocks of all matter.To put it in a nutshell: with high numbers (read: a lot of particles), things behave differently than if you go towards 1 (a singularity of sorts, too). And the way these series break down is maybe capable of teaching us a trick or two without having to smash atoms, because at heart the same thing happens.
quote:Originally posted by daveshortsI would have thought that the estimates of the age of super clusters were pretty dodgy as cosmologists are working on very little solid data and don't entirely understand the physics yet.
quote:Originally posted by chimeraIf it's primordial, then why does the process seem to be speeding up, one could ask oneself.Found this quite recent link that explains why neither dark-matter or the newer dark-energy theories are quite capable of getting to grasps with the phenomenon:http://universe-review.ca/F03-supercluster.htm#fluctuationsThe living are the dead on holiday. -- Maurice de Maeterlinck (1862-1949)[typo]
quote:Originally posted by chimeraA bit one-sided excerpt, but naturally, in our deterministic universe, the seeds of such a structure should in theory be there from inception, can't have emergent properties at every junction, now could we. The issue was not that they're not OLD. How old, is, as you can also find on that page, still far from clear, even with the latest theories.Still impressed by the effort of the people putting those pages up.On a related note, gsmollin, do you think there's a similar 'lattice' structure underlying all known physical phenomena, or is it strictly field and particle in your view?The living are the dead on holiday. -- Maurice de Maeterlinck (1862-1949)
quote:Originally posted by gsmollinWell we could always swap quotes back and forth like a couple of debating evangelists... Give me your best shot. I don't understand your last question, so I can't answer. Since I have no info on that, I suppose the answer is "Insufficient data for meaningful answer."
quote:Originally posted by chimeraDoes look like foam a bit, doesn't it? Could you estimate its fractal dimension? It's not 3, that's clear.
quote:On a side note, just been reading something really strange. Could you even begin to explain what would be needed to turn a star looking like one of those tesla balls, all hairy sparks?
quote:[And finally, this has been bugging me longer: if the universe was really hot once, and this is a nearly frozen blown-up version, is it not gaining in structure more than losing it, like water gains structure by becoming ice?
quote:Oh yes! It's becoming more complicated every second. That is the second law of thermodynamics at work.
quote:If structures in the universe are becoming more coherent, doesn't that mean they are becoming more orderly & that the entropy IS decreasing?
quote:The ice structure contains more hydrogen bonds than water, bond formation of any sort releases energy, and so there's more free energy drifting round the universe as a whole in consequence. More energy quanta have more different ways of arranging themselves, so overall the disorder increases.
quote:Now hang on... something sounds wrong here. For however long it was after the Big Bang there was no matter, only energy: so how can there be more energy now when some of that initial energy has become particles? No matter how you look at it there must have been more energy at the start.
quote:Originally posted by chimeraYep, same question here. Stuff ought to get more boring, according to 2nd law. Oh, and this kind of foam does have a pretty simple fractional dimension, not something OTT at all, pretty simple even. I'll look it up.Here's a picture of what I meant btw, gsmollin, like a star gone plasma, could that be 'done', even as a weird scenario?http://www.cebunet.com/kirlian/sparks.jpgThe living are the dead on holiday. -- Maurice de Maeterlinck (1862-1949)
quote:Originally posted by DoctorBeaverI've read those links & i'm just as confused as ever. So, answer me this... if photons travel at the speed of light there must come (or have been) a time when some reach the edge of the universe. What happens then? Do they just go phut? Or do they cause the universe to start expanding at the speed of light with the photons forming the edge?
quote:Originally posted by gsmollinIs that the question, or am I still missing the point?