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Vern, how does your model explain the fact a photon's wavelenght and amplitude would vary from one reference frame to another?
Hi Vern you surprise me at times you are very close to the answer I don't know if you can get hold of the book by Stratton on Electromagnetic Radiation it was written about 60 years ago, it gives the solution for electromagnetic radiation inside a sphere, the maths gives spherical harmonics look at the phi solution.
Quote from: yor_on on 18/01/2009 00:25:08Vern, in what way do you see photons as creating gravity?You say "Then if we allow one photon's fields to contribute to the saturation amplitude of another, we have a good candidate for the phenomena of gravity."Hi yor_on; consider the photon model; it is an electromagnetically saturated point surrounded by electromagnetic fields that are changing in amplitude to drive the saturated point forward. As the point moves through the fields of other photons the other fields contribute to the saturation of the point so it reaches saturation at a slight offset toward increasing field strength of the other fields.
Vern, in what way do you see photons as creating gravity?You say "Then if we allow one photon's fields to contribute to the saturation amplitude of another, we have a good candidate for the phenomena of gravity."
Have you thought about a possible 'size' for this curled up jobbie?
The solution is called half integer spin, and has the equation is 2.π.r = λ/2. the circumference is produced in half a wavelength, the circle is not centered at the origin but is shifted by r from the origin, along −x if you like but it is actually in the phi plane. The full maths is described in the book by Stratton and the solution of Maxwells equations inside a sphere was solved by Debye.. The actual radius depends upon how fast the velocity of light is inside the solution and reduces with increasing n value when solving the half integer bessel functions J(n+1/2).
No it's 180 degrees half of 360. This means that the soluton repeats it self every half cycle and produces a monopole, the solution has charge because the positive and negative variations of a sinusoid are lost in this type of solution. It's difficult to show this without drawings but I can't do it on this platform.
It's time for you to educate me Sophie I don't understand the macroscopic behaviour of EM waves unless you mean they radiate in all directions, never heard of QM in diffraction unless you mean the slit experiment, to me this is due to the rotating EM wave inside the electrons at the surface of the slit acting upon the rotating EM field of the photon, one can never predict when thier maximum or minimum values will coincide and they will produce a diffraction pattern.
Getting back to the OP, yes, photons have momentum: p=E/c, and Newton's third law applies.An atom absorbing or emitting a photon will recoil, which is the concept behind laser cooling (Nobel prize 1997), and the momentum transfer during reflection is the concept behind a solar sail.
Quote from: sophiecentaur on 18/01/2009 20:06:48Is there any reason why you would 'want' a photon to be something which travels through space? (Apart from the fact that it is a very easy concept involving some very cosy ideas - sorry for the patronising tone)You see, the only quantisation that I can see is needed is the energy - nothing else.I had not thought about that before I saw your previous post where you point out that there is really no need to visualize something going from a to b. But I need a visualization like that to suggest that the Fine Structure Constant is the ratio of the bend radius of the path of an electron's comprising photon and the charge of the electron.
Is there any reason why you would 'want' a photon to be something which travels through space? (Apart from the fact that it is a very easy concept involving some very cosy ideas - sorry for the patronising tone)You see, the only quantisation that I can see is needed is the energy - nothing else.