[gsmollin]

quote:Originally posted by DrPhil

The ACS just wanted to honor Sir Davy by using the word he coined... Aluminum. []

To paraphrase another Englishman, Bill Shakespeare, "a rose by any other name..."
He obviously never visited the US.

If that were true, then according to the short story in the CRC handbook, we would be calling it alumium. It is peculiar that the story goes "...he later agreed to change it to aluminum." It begs the question, who did he agree with? I'm guessing it was his graduate assistant, who gets no credit, of course. So the metal aluminum is named in honor of all graduate assistants who got no credit for their contributions to science. [8D]

[Corbeille]

Righty-ho old sprout!

I'm going to tell everybody that I am a "sun-reader" and soak up their admiration. They'll know that its full of balanced opinion and long words (is the crossword very difficult?) and is a bastion of liberal thought.

Hooray for England and saint George!

Gawd bless yer queen mother!

 Land of hope and glory - dum de dum de dum,
England thingy dum dum,
and Camilla too....

 Churchill and Diana,
We love Tony Blair,
He's your greatest war leader,
since that John majerrrrrrr.


can I come and live there?  I'm not an asylum seeker - honest!






 Nah pop no style, a strictly roots!

[DrPhil]

quote:Originally posted by gsmollin

...he later agreed to change it to aluminum." It begs the question, who did he agree with? I'm guessing it was his graduate assistant...

A footnote in my 1st edition CRC refers to an exchange student from Alabama named Al UmLmUm, et al. []

[Quantumcat]

quote:Originally posted by chris

...or COLOUR, FAVOUR, FAVOURITE, METER, CENTIMETER, LITER, NEIGHBOUR, or even HUMOUR...and judging by their president, the latter example's a necessity. Then again, at least his wife doesn't look like the wicked witch of the east. Cherie Blair has to be the most minging creature on the earth.

Richard Littlejohn in his Sun column has made a point of reminding readers, on a daily basis, how she took over 100,000 pounds from a children's cancer charity in 'speaking fees'. Amazing what some people will pay for crap these days - at those rates, what goes down my toilet could have more value than gold. It's certainly more interesting than Mrs. Blair.

"I never forget a face, but in your case I'll make an exception"
 - Groucho Marx

I believe that brits and aussies spell them, MTRE, LITRE and CENTIMETRE, but it's quite possible that I';m wrong!

[moses lawn]

Isn't gold leaf transparent?  Probably because it's beaten so very thin.

[daveshorts]

Yes you can see through very thin gold films becuase they are so thin. Interestingly when you look through a gold film it looks blue. This is because gold is yellow because it reflects red and green light better than blue, this means that if you look through the film what is left is blue light.

[Varient]

quote:Originally posted by DrPhil

It's a well known fact that Scotty gave the formula for transparent aluminum to Plexicorp way back in the 20th century. However, there's a huge glass manufacturer/government conspiracy in effect to prevent its development and use.

??
Scientific American came out with an article of a process that could change the properties of a metal so it could be thick and translucent to transparent,.... about ten years ago.


"I save my sanity by giving it to others."
-Varient-

[Varient]

quote:Originally posted by DrPhil

It's a well known fact that Scotty gave the formula for transparent aluminum to Plexicorp way back in the 20th century. However, there's a huge glass manufacturer/government conspiracy in effect to prevent its development and use.

August 23, 2004
transparent aluminum
newbielink:http://beverlytang.com/archives/materials/transparent_aluminum.html [nonactive]

"I save my sanity by giving it to others."
-Varient-

[daveshorts]

Aaah that is not technically a metal, Aluminium oxide is a ceramic, and in fact what sapphire is made of. Cool though if they can make it cheaply - increadably good thermal conductivity at low temperatures because it is very stiff, so if you thermally wobble one end the whole thing wobbles.

[chimera]

quote:Originally posted by daveshorts

 so if you thermally wobble one end the whole thing wobbles.

Got that first part, but here your subtitles went on the blink. Please illuminate us silly cloggies and other woodbrains... [:I]

The living are the dead on holiday.  -- Maurice de Maeterlinck (1862-1949)

[daveshorts]

Sorry

On a small scale heat is random movements, vibrations and rotations of the atoms and molecules of a substance.

In a gas the heat is transferred simply by the hot atoms(/molecules) actually moving about both by convection (where all the gas moves as hot gas is lighter) and by diffusion (where the hot atoms bounce around individually).

 In a solid the atoms can't move around so other ways of moving heat around dominate.

In metals the electrons are free to move around like the atoms in a gas, so they can transfer the heat around by diffusion

In a solid all the atoms will interact with one another like they are on springs, think of it like a slinkey spring with atoms attached to it. If you wobble one end a wave will move down the atoms and the other end will wobble. If the frequencies are low and everything is moving together we call this sound propagation. If the frequencies are much much higher and the movements are really random it is heat.

In an electrical insulator this is the main way heat is transported.

 If the material is not very stiff and very imperfect the vibrations move slowly and get reflected all over the place so heat doesn't travel very fast, however if you get a ver stiff crystal like sapphire or diamond the speed of sound is about 10km/s and in a good crystal especially at low temperatures (so there are no thermal imperfections) you can get thermal conductivities as good as if not better than copper.

This is why they want to make chip substrates out of diamond, as it is electrically insulating and a very good heat conductor.

[chimera]

Wow, subtitles worked overtime on that, but that's clear allright. Could you explain how it's possible that something can be both very rigid, crystals and lattice-like, and yet not be brittle, so the slightest vibration would damage it? Like high towers that have to give a bit in the wind, or snap? How's that work in a lattice without any lee-way, if you get my meaning?

The living are the dead on holiday.  -- Maurice de Maeterlinck (1862-1949)

[daveshorts]

Diamond and sapphire are probably fairly brittle, eg if you dropped them on a (very hard - as otherwise the surface will dent) surface they would crack rather than bend.

 However this doesn't stop them from being very very strong as if two stiff objects hit each other hard the accelerations are huge, hence the forces are enormous. So something that is very strong and will survive vibrations can still be brittle.

[DoctorBeaver]

Just harping back to the question of the name, did Davy pronounce it aloomium or alyoomium? I ask this because Americans pronounce their version aloominum whereas we brits say alyoominium. And, yes, we use METRE, LITRE etc. In England a meter is a device for measuring or taking your money when you wish to park your car (automobile to our transatlantic friends
It is also worth noting that American spellings are much closer to how the English spelled words in Shakespearian times although they would have been pronounced with a nice rural brogue rather than a harsh, nasal whine.

[raid517]

Hey, interesting topic. I remember thinking about this as a kid. Just out of curiosity, what are the electrically conductive qualities of something like leaded glass? Is it possible to significany improve the electrically conductive qualities of glass by say for example adding other kinds of metal oxides? How efficient can this be made - while still allowing the glass to remain transparrent?

GJ

[abigail07]

Don't you think it is impossible to create transparent metal? I thought it was only on Star Trek that it is possible, I remember there was this scene about transparent metal. So, I did little research and found out that a perfect white metal at atmospheric pressure, on increasing pressure sodium first turns black, then red transparent, and eventually becomes a colorless transparent material.

[Grimbo]

check out this link
transparant ali and other cool stuff
newbielink:http://gajitz.com/meta/science/new-materials/ [nonactive]

[MonoLithient]

Maybe, a type of coating that refracts light in just the right way could be applied to make the metal appear invisible. This probably wouldn't work for a really complex shape though, but if you had a metal sheet or cylinder, sphere, etc., you might be able to refract light around it to make it appear invisible. This might actually better belong in a thread talking about light and refraction, but hey, this might for the bill for "invisible" or transparent metal.

[damocles]

No bulk electrical conductor can be transparent. A transparent surface conductor has been achieved with a very thin film of gold on glass.

I remember doing the theory in Physics 2, though I forget the detail. When light -- an electromagnetic wave -- meets a material that is a bulk electric conductor, the electric vector decays exponentially with depth in the conductor. This mandates that when light impinges on a metal surface, the metal is both opaque and reflective; the "boundary condition" for the wave equation for a vacuum/gas/transparent dielectric to conductor interface clearly shows that this must be the case. A layer of gold a few atoms thick (will attenuate light but not extinguish it) is apparently an important feature of aircraft windows.

On the other matter that has come up in this thread, the naming of elements, there are three elements that have slightly different names in North American/British English. On crossing the Atlantic, sulphur, aluminium, and caesium become sulfur, aluminum, and cesium.

Sometime around 1970, IUPAC debated the names of the elements. At that stage this organisation was very prescriptive. After a rather acrimonious session, the decision was made that the names should be sulfur, aluminium, and caesium (not sure about this last one). Basically the Brits would not wear sulfur and the Yanks would not wear aluminium. Eventually IUPAC backed off, and adopted a much less prescriptive policy, allowing for regional differences.

CRC Handbook is an American publication, and significantly biassed in its view of such questions: it is interesting that the original IUPAC committee decided that aluminium was the name that should be adopted.

Here in Oz (which should be the world standard) we are pretty much all decided on aluminium, and about 50/50 split between sulphur/sulfur and caesium/cesium.

[CliffordK]

Isn't gold leaf transparent?  Probably because it's beaten so very thin.

Good point that the Apollo Astronauts had gold plating on the visors of their helmets to reduce UV radiation.

Pure silicon (a metalloid), while it has limited light transmission in the visible spectrum, it is relatively transparent in the IR spectrum.