Can anyone recommend any insomnia support groups?

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« Reply #200 on: 02/01/2007 13:10:26 »
I felt great 2hrs later, it went away....(I don't take that nasty over the counter medicine...it makes me realize eat more almonds...I have been on the cashew thing during the day along with my dried fruit as a healthier choice of snack
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« Reply #201 on: 03/01/2007 07:09:06 »
Hi guys...just joined this site after reading this thread....im a fellow insomniac and have struggled with it for the past 5 or so years and its really starting to take the piss....

I feel sorry for you Neil for having to cope with for 36yrs , i feel like im heading in ur direction but i hope i have it sorted soon...

My problem is not being able to get to sleep, once im asleep then its not a problem but its just getting myself to switch off....and that just doesnt seem to happen...its nearly 7 in the morning and ive gone another night with f-all sleep and this is day 2 this week that this has happened...

i feel like ive tried everything under the sun but nothing seems to help, been to docs loadsa a times but theyre useless...like to give out the pills but id rather not go down that route if i can help...tried anti-histamines, z-drugs, antidepressants which btw made me feel depressed day after!!!...doctors just seem to think ur depreessed or stress but i refuse to accept, if i was gullible and a hyperchondriac then id easily believe them and start thinkin im depressed but i refuse to...im quite a chilled out person but having so much time on ur hands messes with ur head and causes u to feel low!!..

i wish someone could come up with a way to install an on and off button to the side of my head so i cud switch off!!....

atleast ive not got work tomorrow , i mean today so when sleep does come , if it does then i can get some...

anyways sorry about the long rant but had to get it outta the system....

anyways id like say a BIG HELLO to everyone here and hopefully can learn abt other ppls experiences etc....Neil u seem very interesting to me...so hope to find out a bit about u too...not in a stalker kinda way tho!! :o)

take care and sleep well if u can....if not join the club!!!

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« Reply #202 on: 03/01/2007 07:32:48 »
Zwitterion welcome to the group and hope you have a restful day tomorrow and that sleep finds you well!  Hope mine has been mostly off and on for 15 years but here and there as a younger teenager but not to a bad extent then.. mostly became real intense 15 years ago or so!  Good luck to you..and welcome!

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« Reply #203 on: 05/01/2007 00:15:06 »
thanks karen...so what do u put your insomnia down to?....and what treatments have u tried?

i've got yet another gp appointment tomorrow, this time im going to be assertive and ask to be referred to a specialist...doubt there will be anybody local but im willing to travel....its time i sort this out rather than being a zombie for the rest of my life...


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« Reply #204 on: 05/01/2007 01:26:46 »
Problems from my childhood.. Things I am still trying to deal with, It has gotten worse over the years! worry anxiety panic, you name it! I have had doctor appointments to try to fix it.. but they only want to medicate, I choose to not do anything and let my body just deal with it.. I hate medicines.. Only take them if I am forced to..

I hope your appointment tomorrow is fruitful! Yes I hope you are able to sort it out!! I truly do..Good luck!

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« Reply #205 on: 06/01/2007 20:42:53 »
Hey really sorry to hear abt ur problems, must be difficult for you! Have u given up now trying to sort it out?

i completely understand abt medication, im the same hate taking them, i end up feeling worse the next day when i do than if i dont have any sleep. Not sure why my sleeping problems started, never was one to go to bed on time as a kid, so i think years of going to bed has taken its toll and its just got worse. i wouldnt say i have any particular problems which make it worse....i guess the fact im not sleeping and feeling like a zombie all the time seems to be my biggest problem at the mo.


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« Reply #206 on: 06/01/2007 21:09:49 »
 Yes I have given up.. I will live with it.. When I spent all my time stressing about how little sleep I was getting I felt worse.. so I try to be chipper and am always trying to be nice instead of grumpy.. that has been the big hurdle.. Because lack of sleep sometimes makes one feel way less then human.. I am sure you know what I mean... 

Feeling like a zombie is horrible but I feel it as well most all the time. Some times I get a burst of energy and cannot imagine where it comes from.. but when it does boy does that make me feel good as it is few a nd far between for those lovely bursts!! LOL ! I hope you do well!! How did YOUR appointment go the other day?? What did  they say about helping you?

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« Reply #207 on: 07/01/2007 01:35:57 »
i know what u mean about the "high" days ....its wierd really coz sometimes when i get up and not necessarily when ive had alot of sleep i'll be chirpy all day and nothing in the world can get me down...but most days are just really hard to get thru...and to get motivated about things...

doctors appt went o.k, his got me going to see a psychiatrist altho i told him that i didnt really have any issues which may require a psychiatrist. becoz there are no sleep specialist locally they cant justify sending me to one straight away so i have to do see the psych to eliminate that first....

i also told him about a refloxology session i had, i tried it as one of my friends suggested it , unfortunately i still struggled to sleep that night but the person who did it said my hormone levels were not balanced therefore ill be getting that tested on monday.....

Karen do u find when u go on holiday that ur sleeping habits change?

ur right about the mind over matter aspect....u have to tell urself to be happy and be nice rather than be grumpy....im usually very quiet after a very bad night and dont really socialise much...but i do find that when ppl do start talkign to me it does help and it does help me be a bit less grumpy altho some ppl are still annoying!! :o)

I do get some weeks where ill sleep like a baby and feel great...but the wierd thing is i actually miss the time i get to myself during the night....do u find that?

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« Reply #208 on: 07/01/2007 04:25:05 »
i know what u mean about the "high" days ....its wierd really coz sometimes when i get up and not necessarily when ive had alot of sleep i'll be chirpy all day and nothing in the world can get me down...but most days are just really hard to get thru...and to get motivated about things...

doctors appt went o.k, his got me going to see a psychiatrist altho i told him that i didnt really have any issues which may require a psychiatrist. becoz there are no sleep specialist locally they cant justify sending me to one straight away so i have to do see the psych to eliminate that first....

i also told him about a refloxology session i had, i tried it as one of my friends suggested it , unfortunately i still struggled to sleep that night but the person who did it said my hormone levels were not balanced therefore ill be getting that tested on monday.....

Karen do u find when u go on holiday that ur sleeping habits change?

ur right about the mind over matter aspect....u have to tell urself to be happy and be nice rather than be grumpy....im usually very quiet after a very bad night and dont really socialise much...but i do find that when ppl do start talkign to me it does help and it does help me be a bit less grumpy altho some ppl are still annoying!! :o)

I do get some weeks where ill sleep like a baby and feel great...but the wierd thing is i actually miss the time i get to myself during the night....do u find that?


Yes those days where I am cheery I am grateful. I try to make everyday that way but I must admit Lately I have a hard time being cheerful.. More emotional then anything.. I wonder if some of the emotional part is my age.. Have some stressful things happening right now.. they are not helping my sleep any that's for sure!

Well I hope the Psychiatrist can help some.. You never know!

I don't know anything about reflexology what exactly do they do?

Well I know this sounds weird, but, I have never in my life gone away anywhere for holiday.. I wouldn't know what to do with myself.. I do find that on overnight trips, I am more relaxed.. which is weird. Also during really really terrible storms I sleep like a baby for longer periods.. so strange.. I have tried the storm tapes etc. but there is nothing like a real storm.. I think it has to do with the very real electricity in the air, the moisture the whole thing..

Yeah I find the same thing with the grumpys.. Thats when I need some alone time.. but not too much.. I would rather have a hug and just lie quietly in a set of warm arms.. Thats a laugh these days..

I always miss my time to myself.. if I sleep longer then usual I find a deep sense of loss for that time I lost.. It is weird isn't it!!  I think you get used to it and then you need it to wind down and relax, even if thats all you can do..

Well Good luck tonight I wish you restful sleep!

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« Reply #209 on: 08/01/2007 13:28:04 »
sorry to hear about ur problems, stress is never good for insomnia.  I think sometimes u have to think mind over matter and try to be positive about life no matter how bad it is....especially things outside ur control...altho its easier said than done!

I'm no expert on reflexology, but the theory goes something like, all nerves in ur body end in ur feet so a reflexologist by massaging ur feet can identify any problems u have with ur body. I went a few months ago and was quite surprised when he managed to figure out my backache and dizzyness which i sometimes feel in the morning without me telling him. Im still a sceptic though!




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« Reply #210 on: 08/01/2007 16:07:07 »
HUmmmm.. Reflexology.. I think I would be inclined to agree with that theory!! I believe your feet are a big part of your health.. If you keep them healthy then they will aid you too. I know it is one of the ways I liked to relax years ago.. to have a foot massage.....My hubby hates touching feet so he doesn't accomodate that.. I had to buy a foot bath massager years ago.. but it doesn't work very well. There is nothing like a real massage..

  That's pretty amazing!

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« Reply #211 on: 11/01/2007 15:34:29 »
Have been Rambling around the house all night.. Now back on computer . I have run out of things to do so kept fire going all night. It is 26 degrees outside on my porch and It's snow white outside. Solid frozen everything. They are expecting snow here for two days down to sea level.. I hope it snows really hard. We rarely see it here this low. It would be beautiful. I love it more then the kids.. makes me happy!

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« Reply #212 on: 12/01/2007 05:03:03 »
Hiya Zwitterion!  My doctor prescibed several sleep aids for me.  The last one over 2 years ago was Ambien...I just hate the way they make me feel when I wake up. 

Karen, we are supposed to get a bit of snow, but it will only melt as it floats down...we are at 60 degrees farenheit...the likely hood of it staying...perhaps not...ground is too hot!
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« Reply #213 on: 12/01/2007 05:13:53 »
It started snowing a couple hours ago.. in Eureka.. We are expecting it to get colder and drop us with some more beautiful flakes tonight.. It is so cold right now! Fire is blazing, but it is freezing still!!

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« Reply #214 on: 12/01/2007 05:26:06 »
brrrr, shivering as you type!  LOL
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« Reply #215 on: 12/01/2007 05:50:01 »
yep it is cold... 20 something.. I is not going out to check again.. Freezing...I have my coat and hat on and am rotating my hand warmer from one hand to the other.. I need electric socks and pajamas...

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« Reply #216 on: 12/01/2007 06:15:34 »
i miss snow!!...we didnt get any this year in the UK, well we didnt in the north anyway.

Hi Moonfire...hope ur well!

Ive had another crap night, its 06:00 in the morning and still no sleep....its really getting to me at the moment...its not just the sleep tho, its the amount of time u have to do not a lot...tonight ive spent the time watching telly, listening to music and some exercise...what does all u fellow insomniacs do during the night...think i might go for a bit of a drive before the rush hour kicks in!!

have fun in the snow karen and moonfire...whereabts in the US are u?

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« Reply #217 on: 12/01/2007 06:37:05 »
Hiya Zwitterion...I am well, tired, but well...Hopefully I can go to bed at 3am?  How are you?  Sorry about your sleepless night.  Well, before my son came back home, I would rearrange my furniture in the living room, create some things...LOL (Long story) Work on my Business Plan as I plan to go back into business selling parts to two different industries....read books, play on the computer..sometimes it is harder as I have 2 jobs and on the computer all the time...research info...that is about it...not much tv as it is boring to me unless it is discovery, nova, documentaries...

Snow in the Dallas/Fort Worth area is not good...as the people drive on the roads, you would not think there was anything on them.  We have 2 days of black ice and it usually will result in about a 600 or more accidents.  We may not have snow as we had one day of snow in November....which was quite early for us as this is usually the timeframe when we get our first snow...I prefer rain...lots of rain...everytime it rains and I am at work...everyone is mad, but I am so happy!  LOL  It is my favourite element...storm diamonds....(people still drive nuts on the road here when it rains...you would not believe how many accidents there are from it...also, we have the 2nd highest insurance rates in the USA because of the "wonderful driving methods"(madness)

I am in Irving, Texas....between Dallas and Fort Worth.  Have you ever been to the states?
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« Reply #218 on: 12/01/2007 06:42:19 »
We always have to travel several miles up the mountain to get to snow. I am excited like the kids about it. I hate being cold... But me loves the snow..

Now as for what I do when I can't sleep. I am usually on the net here in the forum or reading, watching funny stuff on TV as realistic stuff like he news and currant scary crap on Tv makes my insomnia worse.  I listen to music old records tapes cds, and watch old old movies..Play solatary or scrabble against myself! LOL sing songs I like accappelle,Dance with My vacumn cleaner.. lay awake in bed for hours tossing and turning.. constantly try to get warm as I always get cold at night fully clothed. Take hot showers and bathes to try to relax..work on projects I want to do with me school children.. Play with programs on my computer! etc. etc. etc. LOL Be safe on your drive!! I wish for white thick snow soon.. I want a ton not just a dribble!! YIPPPPPEEEEE!!!

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« Reply #219 on: 12/01/2007 06:45:32 »
I am the opposite of Karen, I do not wish for tons of snow as people drive like idiots here!  In fact, I should write a book on Driving in Texas for Idiots 101...just kidding...oh, yeah, I do write poetry and short stories sometimes...not much poetry lately as a little dribble of stupidity on here...it is for amusement purposes only and not serious "stuff"
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« Reply #220 on: 14/01/2007 12:18:20 »
Well Here it is 4:06 AM and I still can't sleep. I have layed for hours trying to. Now I have been wandering around the house trying to find things to do.. Stayed in my own room for hours tonight as I had a hose full of company.. The house is full because My son His girlfriend and two others were snowed in and could not get home tonight.. THey are awaiting the snow plow in the morning in order to get home.. Son flipped his Jeep the other night coming off the mountain, The snow plow was going up and he was coming down in wheel drive and they almost took each other out! So he swerved ,( to his own side of the road, on both counts, and went off the bank and flipped his jeep over on its side.  They got a group of fellow mountain dwellers to help right the jeep. He bent a small piece if his frame around the soft top and the window front passenger side. They had 10 inches of hardpack the other night and it was snowing again earlier, so they chose to stay as in the evenings,the roads are so icy even with 4 wheel drive going up the mountain. He needs a set of chains!

Anyway still can't sleep!
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« Reply #221 on: 15/01/2007 01:12:22 »
wow...that is some snow now...I like to have snowball fights in it, snow shoes, and that is about it...maybe slide in it with a nice sled...hmmmm, haven't did that in years...well, I do live in Texas now....
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« Reply #222 on: 15/01/2007 03:24:42 »
Snow is on the hill above me. we did not get enough to stay!! Son had plenty!! Would love to go play in it! Bob bought a 4wheel drive truck and I think I will ask him to take me up to the snow to visit it!! LOL

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« Reply #223 on: 15/01/2007 03:36:09 »
Still not sleepy But wherever Neil is now I hope you are trying to get some sleep to.. You too Zwitterion.. I hope your evening brought you some rest!

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« Reply #224 on: 15/01/2007 04:59:43 »
Snow is on the hill above me. we did not get enough to stay!! Son had plenty!! Would love to go play in it! Bob bought a 4wheel drive truck and I think I will ask him to take me up to the snow to visit it!! LOL

sounds like fun!!!
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« Reply #225 on: 15/01/2007 05:00:45 »
i am with karen, ditto
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« Reply #226 on: 15/01/2007 16:24:00 »
Well, I slept two hours last night read for 2hours and tossed for several to no avail. Two was All I was meant to have.. BOO HOO!  I guess I will try later.. That's usually a big fat flop too, especially these days. I used to greatly enjoy naps and had no trouble taking them. I used to just close my eyes and boom back to sleep at noon. Gone are those days for sure!! Oh well! I did love a good nap!!! Sometimes when I am very sick I can nap, I wonder why then and not when I am well??
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« Reply #227 on: 16/01/2007 05:09:28 »
Awww, I hate sleepless nights....I had about 3 hrs last night...2am until 5am...tried to sleep but phone kept ringing...hmmm, that is a good question...maybe your body is telling you, you must sleep to recouperate correctly...
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« Reply #228 on: 16/01/2007 05:19:15 »
Probably so. Hope you get more tonight!

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« Reply #229 on: 16/01/2007 05:21:00 »
You too....I want you to have rest too...something money can't buy is our rest!
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« Reply #230 on: 16/01/2007 06:25:58 »
Boy you can say that again.. My sleep has gotten progressively worse, but strangely enough my blood pressure has dropped off from a previous 220 over 110 something like that to 118 over 80.. so I guess I am doing really good. stress is just exasperating the sleep!

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« Reply #231 on: 16/01/2007 06:37:07 »
wow...that is great!  Boy, that is quotable!  stress is exasperating as sleep...hmmmm
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« Reply #232 on: 16/01/2007 07:17:59 »
 I meant the sleeplessness. LOL

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« Reply #233 on: 16/01/2007 21:55:39 »
Ohhhh, that is even better
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« Reply #234 on: 17/01/2007 03:41:30 »
Yeah it didn't make sense the other way!

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« Reply #235 on: 17/01/2007 16:48:37 »
Well, I slept pretty good last night and feel much better today. I had 4 hours and feel much better. I hope everyone slept well!
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« Reply #236 on: 28/01/2007 15:45:50 »
 Here it is 7:43 Am and no sleep again... well. I guess I will make a run at the day and sleep tonight I hope!!Good morning to us and goodafternoon to you al in the UK and other areas..!

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« Reply #237 on: 28/01/2007 16:06:11 »
So sorry you're still awake Karen...hope you find some rest soon.

Karen ...over the years.....what time do you go to bed ?..what is your routine for night time ?




I am due to be interviewed for a psychology magazine soon..regarding my insomnia........perhaps when it done I will ask permission to re-print it here...
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« Reply #238 on: 28/01/2007 16:17:19 »
Well as a five year old through about 7th grade, I did not get to sleep until about 2 am, although me mom put us to bed at 7:30 then 8:00pm until about 8th grade.. I used to lie awake listening to Johnny carson untill 1:00 or 1:30 am then I would listen to the old clock bang away the time at around 2 and sometimes later. Usually once I went to sleep I would be up by 6:30 am for school. weekends were different I could sleep until 12:00 or 1:00 pm no problem.. Up until 15 or so years ago, i was off and on.. hit and miss. The last at least ten its been more miss then hit. I usually just keep going.. can't sleep so why keep trying.. I have restless leg syndrome which sometimes antagonises it and makes it worse..

Around two or 3:00 on a good night. these days..not today..

Yes, you should print it! 

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« Reply #239 on: 28/01/2007 16:51:12 »
I can relate to the restless leg syndrome....LOL...most times
 it's restless body syndrome too !!..I must  travel a  few miles a night !!
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« Reply #240 on: 28/01/2007 17:01:37 »
Yep, it makes me one antsy gal.. I feel as if I am having dts or something, what you might think and alcoholic would experience. feels like creepy crawlies all up and down my legs. like the blood is racing around in my lower limbs... oooooh! Just makes me shiver

Me too, I can't stay layed down when this occurs. thinking about it.. I am grateful it doesn't happen evry night...

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« Reply #241 on: 29/01/2007 03:17:52 »
Well now it's 707 and still no sign of

             Mr. Sandman...

Mr. Sandman, bring me a dream (bung, bung, bung, bung)
Make him the cutest that I've ever seen (bung, bung, bung, bung)
Give him two lips like roses and clover (bung, bung, bung, bung)
Then tell him that his lonesome nights are over.
Sandman, I'm so alone
Don't have nobody to call my own
Please turn on your magic beam
Mr. Sandman, bring me a dream.

"bung, bung, bung, bung"

Mr. Sandman, bring me a dream
Make him the cutest that I've ever seen
Give him the word that I'm not a rover
Then tell him that his lonesome nights are over.
Sandman, I'm so alone
Don't have nobody to call my own
Please turn on your magic beam
Mr. Sandman, bring me a dream.

"bung, bung, bung, bung"

Mr. Sandman (male voice: "Yesss?") bring us a dream
Give him a pair of eyes with a "come-hither" gleam
Give him a lonely heart like Pagliacci
And lots of wavy hair like Liberace
Mr Sandman, someone to hold (someone to hold)
Would be so peachy before we're too old
So please turn on your magic beam
Mr Sandman, bring us, please, please, please
Mr Sandman, bring us a dream.

"bung, bung, bung, bung"



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« Reply #242 on: 29/01/2007 03:18:39 »
OH MY GAWWWWD I LOVE THAT OLD SONG>>>> LOL

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« Reply #243 on: 29/01/2007 13:28:31 »
i posted some info on Insomnia that you might find intresting Karen on the Activity4life forum. link

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« Reply #244 on: 29/01/2007 16:36:00 »
Thanks Hadrian.. I will definitely read it too! Thank you!!

Well after 45 hrs awake I finaly was able to get almost 4hrs down and asleep....I am so tired..Why doesn't someone just knock me up side the head..get it over with...

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« Reply #245 on: 30/01/2007 01:27:26 »
Awww, poor thing...
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« Reply #246 on: 30/01/2007 03:21:41 »
 No worries was just a bit grumpy this morning too tired I feel fine now, but not tired again..

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« Reply #247 on: 30/01/2007 04:05:24 »
Take it easy...you have to with your health...I forgot to mention it in the diary...Hope you are better?
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« Reply #248 on: 30/01/2007 04:20:51 »
 I am, Just need some way to find some peace and sleep...I know the peace part will come sooner or later, but was hoping it would come while I was still enjoying the breathing part! LOL LOL

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« Reply #249 on: 30/01/2007 04:34:27 »
Have you tried Melantonin?(sp)
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