Can anyone recommend any insomnia support groups?

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« Reply #300 on: 09/02/2007 05:38:33 »
I am amazed we are all still up... Its early for me..

Hi Karen Mam,

Hope you find some relief also...hugs ewe
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« Reply #301 on: 09/02/2007 05:42:50 »
yeah your right....it is treating the symptom but atleast u feel alive rather than half dead!!...

i usually live on diet pepsi, red-bull and pro-plus tabs to get me thru the day....but not enough stimulant to be honest....

so when do u reckon you will get to sleep today?






You are taking in quite a lot of stimulant though.....do you take pro plus and red bulls, pepsi every day ?

*le sigh*...I know I will be awake until at least 9am....though......I am shattered right now...

I feel awful that you need to be at work soon............could you not.....well.. ...sneakily call in sick or something ?......just for today....?...what do you do ?
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« Reply #302 on: 09/02/2007 05:45:10 »
 Thanks Neil, Hugs you too! How are you today.. Is everything going to work out with that set of rings? I hope so. Today was a dilly at work.. kids had lots of energy to burn.. But they were very good kiddies considering the volume of the group today! LOL They were in LOud mode!! Very Loud!

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« Reply #303 on: 09/02/2007 05:49:19 »
lol...i was off sick yesterday as i was seriously feeling crap...im shattered now but think i should be able to get thru the day today!!...esp since ive got some work to finish off!

im an industrial chemist which isnt good as im handling hazardous chemicals everyday....but i guess when your always sleep deprived u learn to concentrate more on tasks just to make sure your doing things right....

i take atleast one from the list everyday or a cocktail on some days but before u say lose the "uppers" it might help u sleep ...i have tried that for over 4 months and no difference!

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« Reply #304 on: 09/02/2007 05:56:09 »
 Yeah, if I drank all that stuff I would absolutly never sleep!I already get very little.. so I am careful about caffiene and such.. I am also allergic to it!! LOL so it has to be very limited..or I become a big big itchy thing constantly scratching....

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« Reply #305 on: 09/02/2007 06:00:15 »
anyways hope u guys have a good day and sleep well (Neil)!....im going to go for a bit of a drive and then get some shopping done at the local asda before work...

take care...

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« Reply #306 on: 09/02/2007 06:26:54 »
You have a good day too!

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« Reply #307 on: 10/02/2007 19:19:19 »
some news for us sleep deprived ppl....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6347043.stm [nofollow]

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« Reply #308 on: 10/02/2007 19:43:28 »
some news for us sleep deprived ppl....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6347043.stm

This I took from your link.. many of these things are known already.. !
 

"People who experience a lack of sleep experience concentration problems and other difficulties."

I find this very true in my case also.. many other things they mentioned also.


   

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« Reply #309 on: 10/02/2007 20:46:44 »
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« Reply #310 on: 10/02/2007 21:05:44 »
 Its not like we don't already know we have memory problems or trouble concentrating... what the heck is a few less brain cells funtioning eh??? LOL LOL

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« Reply #311 on: 10/02/2007 21:08:52 »
Its not like we don't already know we have memory problems or trouble concentrating... what the heck is a few less brain cells funtioning eh??? LOL LOL

Sorry...and ewe are ?...............................LOL !
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« Reply #312 on: 10/02/2007 21:11:08 »
OH MY GOSH....... I DON"T KNOW.............LOL LOL

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« Reply #313 on: 10/02/2007 21:13:45 »
By the way.. The Nokia folks were a royal pain earlier whilst I tried to delete all their multiple posts!!! LOL

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« Reply #314 on: 10/02/2007 21:22:24 »
its funny how these sleep articles keep coming out just confirming things that we already know...but losing this much sleep cannot be good....

I remember when i had an allnighter and ended up watching telly most of the night, and one of the programs that came on was how to live longer...and while i was shattered and probably on my millionth attempt to catch some zzzzz'z the program tells me that u could shave a number of years of your life if you dont get enough sleep!!....well that was nice!!!!

my uncle told me today that apparently cherries can help u sleep...anyone heard of that?..i'll try googling it sometime....

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« Reply #315 on: 10/02/2007 21:32:32 »
nope, never heard of cherries doing that.. i will google it some time..

Hey Neil, or anyone else.. do you know of these tablets.. Yesterday the doctor said he wants me to add these to my meds.. LOL It says Rozerem, Rameteon.I am leary about trying them.. I looked them up on net after he wrote it up.. it says they are not addictive and are supposed to boost your serotonin levels.. Have you guys ever used them.. I do not like pills.
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« Reply #316 on: 10/02/2007 23:21:53 »
its funny how these sleep articles keep coming out just confirming things that we already know...but losing this much sleep cannot be good....

I remember when i had an allnighter and ended up watching telly most of the night, and one of the programs that came on was how to live longer...and while i was shattered and probably on my millionth attempt to catch some zzzzz'z the program tells me that u could shave a number of years of your life if you dont get enough sleep!!....well that was nice!!!!

my uncle told me today that apparently cherries can help u sleep...anyone heard of that?..i'll try googling it sometime....



The only way cherries would make me sleep would be if a crate of them fell on my head !!
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« Reply #317 on: 10/02/2007 23:22:59 »
nope, never heard of cherries doiny that.. i will goole it some time..

Hey Neil, or anyone else.. do you know of these tablets.. Yesterday the doctor said he wants me to add these to my meds.. LOL It says Rozerem, Rameteon.I am leary about trying them.. I looked them up on net after he wrote it up.. it says they are not addictive and are supposed to boost your serotonin levels.. Have you guys ever used them.. I do not like pills.
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Sorry Karen Mam......never heard of them....me would be inclined to give them a go though...espesh if the doctor prescribed them !!...they sound pretty cool !!..YAYYYYYYYY !!
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« Reply #318 on: 10/02/2007 23:23:24 »
Zwitty !!...me bets ewe did not make that appointment eh ?
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« Reply #319 on: 10/02/2007 23:31:56 »
I do not want to try them unless I find someone who has used them and had success.. I hate pills!!

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« Reply #320 on: 10/02/2007 23:34:19 »
I do not want to try them unless I find someone who has used them and had success.. I hate pills!!

Don't ewe think the doctor knows better than another patients opinion karen mam ?
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« Reply #321 on: 11/02/2007 00:28:35 »
Zwitty !!...me bets ewe did not make that appointment eh ?

O.K i confess i didnt...i did try ringing three times and once they didnt pick up and the other 2 it was engaged!!...and i gave up then!!

i just dont want to go again and find that they cant do anything for me and have another failed attempt at trying to sort it out!!...i know i shouldnt think like that but cant help it...and your right about playing up your symptoms but i just cant u know...i have found a sleep clinic locally so i will ask my doc to refer me to them...

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« Reply #322 on: 11/02/2007 00:29:53 »
I do not want to try them unless I find someone who has used them and had success.. I hate pills!!

Don't ewe think the doctor knows better than another patients opinion karen mam ?

i wouldnt be too sure...the docs ive spoken to dont have a clue about insomnia in general and just assume your stressed or depressed....even tho ive told them im not...

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« Reply #323 on: 11/02/2007 00:44:39 »
I do not want to try them unless I find someone who has used them and had success.. I hate pills!!

Don't ewe think the doctor knows better than another patients opinion karen mam ?

I know the Doctor is a good person, but I also know that they support drug companies and they support the doctors, so for my sanity and well being, I prefer to know about actual cases where I can hear about the resuts and know what to expect.. All he said was it was new and we should start it right away.. I had to look it up To find out more about it!! But I was hoping to find kind of first hand information about it... so There!!!! LOL You know Neil how it makes you feel the day after or for several days.. It is non addictive which is good, as I tend to have an addictive personality.. LOL so I need to be careful with what I put into this old rickety castle ov mine, I don't want to find my walls crumbling around me feet!

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« Reply #324 on: 11/02/2007 01:56:32 »
I do not want to try them unless I find someone who has used them and had success.. I hate pills!!

Don't ewe think the doctor knows better than another patients opinion karen mam ?

i wouldnt be too sure...the docs ive spoken to dont have a clue about insomnia in general and just assume your stressed or depressed....even tho ive told them im not...


me is a very cynical sheep !!..but I would give my doctor the benefit of doubt !!..after all...he is a doctor !!....It's just that in this case...if Karens doctor is aware of this new drug then he must have done a little bit of research into it.......but I do understand your doubts.
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« Reply #325 on: 11/02/2007 01:59:12 »
I do not want to try them unless I find someone who has used them and had success.. I hate pills!!

Don't ewe think the doctor knows better than another patients opinion karen mam ?

I know the Doctor is a good person, but I also know that they support drug companies and they support the doctors, so for my sanity and well being, I prefer to know about actual cases where I can hear about the resuts and know what to expect.. All he said was it was new and we should start it right away.. I had to look it up To find out more about it!! But I was hoping to find kind of first hand information about it... so There!!!! LOL You know Neil how it makes you feel the day after or for several days.. It is non addictive which is good, as I tend to have an addictive personality.. LOL so I need to be careful with what I put into this old rickety castle ov mine, I don't want to find my walls crumbling around me feet!

Oh boy !!..the politics of doctors and drug companies.....

Karen Mam....is this a drug that you would have to pay top dollar for ?....over here....we just pay a flat prescription fee for each drug.

I know in the states there is no national Health system but does insurance cover the costs of prescriptions ?...and if you don't have insurance then how much is this drug gonna cost you ?
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« Reply #326 on: 11/02/2007 02:52:25 »
I do not know.. I have insurance for the time being so it is usually a about 2o. oo for my other perscriptions x 9 and they vary depending on how much they are. So it will be about $180.00 plus the new one! I do not know how much, I have the prescription and need to go have it filled... but I am leary..I have no idea till I go what this one will cost.. I cringe at the thought!

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« Reply #327 on: 12/02/2007 03:39:08 »
Having another crap night....help!!!!.....and work in 4 and half hrs!! :o(

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« Reply #328 on: 12/02/2007 03:54:52 »
MAn am so sorry.. I wish I could throw this perscription at you...What time are you right now? I am 7:54 Pm.

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« Reply #329 on: 12/02/2007 03:55:25 »
Well..I'm still here Zwitty...and I am sure Karen is about too...
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« Reply #330 on: 12/02/2007 03:55:52 »
LOl...I said Karen was about !!!..it nearly 4am here Karen !
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« Reply #331 on: 12/02/2007 03:59:35 »
I beat you.. What you have esp SIR! LOL I had a night like that last night.. hoping tonight is better.How bout you.... SING you too a couple tunes from my new CD!! YAYYYYYY! I am in love with this guy!! He is great!!!!! Makes me smile....

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« Reply #332 on: 12/02/2007 04:04:47 »
Here are the words I am listening too now..

JAMES BLUNT LYRICS

"You're Beautiful"

My life is brilliant.

My life is brilliant.
My love is pure.
I saw an angel.
Of that I'm sure.
She smiled at me on the subway.
She was with another man.
But I won't lose no sleep on that,
'Cause I've got a plan.

You're beautiful. You're beautiful.
You're beautiful, it's true.
I saw your face in a crowded place,
And I don't know what to do,
'Cause I'll never be with you.

Yeah, she caught my eye,
As we walked on by.
She could see from my face that I was,
Flying high, [ - video/radio edited version]
******* high, [ - CD version]
And I don't think that I'll see her again,
But we shared a moment that will last till the end.

You're beautiful. You're beautiful.
You're beautiful, it's true.
I saw your face in a crowded place,
And I don't know what to do,
'Cause I'll never be with you.

You're beautiful. You're beautiful.
You're beautiful, it's true.
There must be an angel with a smile on her face,
When she thought up that I should be with you.
But it's time to face the truth,
I will never be with you.



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« Reply #333 on: 12/02/2007 04:11:36 »
hey thanks guys....im really struggling...my eyes are so heavy but cant sleep...even downloaded sum relaxind sounds which are s'pos to help u sleep but theyre not....what shall i do to get atleast a few hrs before work?

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« Reply #334 on: 12/02/2007 04:24:49 »
hey thanks guys....im really struggling...my eyes are so heavy but cant sleep...even downloaded sum relaxind sounds which are s'pos to help u sleep but theyre not....what shall i do to get atleast a few hrs before work?


*le sigh*...poor Zwitty !!!.................what about a good old fashioned glass of hot milk ?...perhaps with a tad of nutmeg !

Actually....if I knew what to do to get to sleep...well...I wouldn't be here would I ?..LOL


Zwitty.....what do you normally do ?...............what I do know is that you must get this sorted....and soon...it is clear and evident that you are suffering here..........it still might take a while but if you start the process then you'll feel better that you are finally tackling the problem.....It might even help you sleep...if you know what I mean !!
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« Reply #335 on: 12/02/2007 04:25:57 »
Lovely words Karen...That's a great song...it did well over here.
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« Reply #336 on: 12/02/2007 04:30:07 »
Is insomnia contagious?  I've gone two nights with only 2 hours each night and now I can't sleep again.  Ughhhhh, it's given me a migraine.  *pulls hair & pouts*
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« Reply #337 on: 12/02/2007 04:35:13 »
think i might go do some exercise that usually livens me up a bit...dont think im going to bother going to bed as ill be having to wake up as soon as i get some now....

dont mention nut-meg....had a mad experience with that stuff...never again!!...will tell you sometime about it!


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« Reply #338 on: 12/02/2007 04:36:36 »
as for insomnia being contagious....i have noticed that when had a mega whinge to someone i know...they sometimes do come back to me and say they ve struggled the night after!!.....wierd....but i have no sympathy for them they shud suffer too!!...ok thats nasty but its hard to care!! ...

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« Reply #339 on: 12/02/2007 04:37:51 »
Is insomnia contagious?  I've gone two nights with only 2 hours each night and now I can't sleep again.  Ughhhhh, it's given me a migraine.  *pulls hair & pouts*

Don't know if it's contagious Carolyn bit sooner or later this site turns everybody into insomniacs !!  [;D]

I am sorry you too are having trouble !!....Poor ewe !!....
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« Reply #340 on: 12/02/2007 04:40:38 »
as for insomnia being contagious....i have noticed that when had a mega whinge to someone i know...they sometimes do come back to me and say they ve struggled the night after!!.....wierd....but i have no sympathy for them they shud suffer too!!...ok thats nasty but its hard to care!! ...

Fully understand how you feel like that Zwitty.......it IS difficult when you're knackered all the time..........life is one big emotional strain and it's hard work to put on a brave face when you're so tired....
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« Reply #341 on: 12/02/2007 04:46:04 »
oh great think im going to make it to countdown again!!! :o).....


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« Reply #342 on: 12/02/2007 04:57:11 »
Nearly 5am !!...I am at least going to get my head down for a while...I'll listen to the radio.

Actually, this is a good tip for you (and everybody else)...have the radio on just loud enough so that you can just hear it....it's best to have something like a talk radio station on...the voices can have a numbing effect and you soon fall asleep as you try to listen what is being said.

anyway...if I don't get back here...I do wish you well Zwitty, carolyn and Karen..

hugs ewe all...shmishes you too............LOL...the birds are singing !!!...Great !!! *gets shotgun at the ready*

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« Reply #343 on: 12/02/2007 05:01:29 »
lol.....ill join ya with the shot gun...need to release some stress!...even tho im actually quite an animal loving person but what the hell.....

as for radio...yeah it can help , ive even downloaded vacuum cleaner and hair dryer noises on my mobile to help but no joy!!

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« Reply #344 on: 12/02/2007 06:00:01 »
6am......*le sigh et le sulk*
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« Reply #345 on: 12/02/2007 06:17:26 »
Sorry you are still awake and feeling poorly. I am surprised Carolyn is awake at this hour.. LOL Sorry Carolyn..


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« Reply #346 on: 12/02/2007 06:20:48 »
Hey Neil, I was about to say.. advice from the non sleeper himself.. but you never know.. you have alot more years on this then most of us.. LOL

I find I like the CD a lot.. I also Like his voice.. sweet!! All of the lyrics are beautiful and amazing to me. they speak of to my heart... so much... I love when music does that it fills you up inside with love...

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« Reply #347 on: 12/02/2007 15:18:21 »
hmmm, I sympathize with anyone who can't sleep...I myself was up from 3am this morning..drats!  It makes me mad as I fight sleep and have for a long time now...
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« Reply #348 on: 12/02/2007 16:26:09 »
Sorry you are still awake and feeling poorly. I am surprised Carolyn is awake at this hour.. LOL Sorry Carolyn..


Thank you Karen.  I know, I'm surprised too. 

Don't know if it's contagious Carolyn bit sooner or later this site turns everybody into insomniacs !!  [;D]
I am sorry you too are having trouble !!....Poor ewe !!....


Thank you Neil.


hmmm, I sympathize with anyone who can't sleep...I myself was up from 3am this morning..drats!  It makes me mad as I fight sleep and have for a long time now...


Me too, Lo.  I usually don't have problems sleeping, other than not being able to go to sleep before 1 or 2 am and having to be up at 6:30.  Occasionally, (about every 6-8 weeks) I go about a week not being able to sleep.  However, my sleeplessness doesn't compare to the rest of you, and so I do feel a tiny twinge of guilt complaining about it.

as for insomnia being contagious....i have noticed that when had a mega whinge to someone i know...they sometimes do come back to me and say they ve struggled the night after!!.....wierd....but i have no sympathy for them they shud suffer too!!...ok thats nasty but its hard to care!! ...

Zwitty - I'm sorry you're struggling so with sleep.  I hope you find some relief soon.
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« Reply #349 on: 12/02/2007 17:27:49 »
Well I slept a couple hours Saterday 2 I think.. and I have not slept since... I am getting ready for work now.. The shower made me feel some more human then before.. You all have a great day and get some sleep if you can... Sorry Carolyn! No guilt, lack of sleep in the beginning was worse for me then it it these days when I loose much more and now I do better then at a yonger age.

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