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But isn’t it intrinsic to the concept of tools a reasoning process that makes us use (to obtain one result) something in a way which is not naturally meant for?
Quote from: Emilio Romero on 03/03/2009 00:19:58But isn’t it intrinsic to the concept of tools a reasoning process that makes us use (to obtain one result) something in a way which is not naturally meant for? yes,...yes I think you are right....but I suspect an ape accidentally put a stick in a hole and learned that termites stood on it....and that an otter accidentally learned that a rock crashing against a clam would reveal it's contents.......I'm no expert but I think that you may mean a ' tool ' as something that is used or designed before hand in conclusion to rationale thought in that the use of it will give a result !...I'm not too sure if the otter or ape arrived at the use of their tools by this rationale.
Doc - I've edited my above post to better show what I'm responding to...
Anyhow, the modification of actual production of customized tools shows in my mind a greater intellectual ability than merely taking something and using it
QuoteAnyhow, the modification of actual production of customized tools shows in my mind a greater intellectual ability than merely taking something and using itI agree up to a point - but making tools is not a measure of intellect per se.Claude E. Shannon's Information Theory equates complexity of language/communication to intelligence. The more complex the language a species uses, the greater its intelligence. After analysing the language of a number of species he has concluded that the most complex is not human language but that employed by humpback whales. Their brain is also 2.5 times the size of a human brain and contains neurons which were previously only thought to be present in Great Apes.It is quite possible, then, that humpbacks are the most intelligent creatures on Earth, but they neither use nor make tools.
Often there are several male humpback whales around one female which fight aggressively for access to the cow. The males hit each other with their flukes, they slap the water surface with their flippers and tails and release streams of bubbles from their blow holes.
A chimpanzee who collected a stash of rocks and hurled them at zoo visitors in fits of rage has confirmed apes can plan ahead just like humans, experts say. The 31-year-old alpha male began building his weapons cache in the morning before the zoo opened, collecting rocks and knocking out discs from concrete boulders in his enclosure.Then at midday he would unleash a "hailstorm" of rocks at visitors, the Swedish study found.Seemingly at ease with his position as leader of the group, Santino did not attack the other chimpanzees.
The Chimpanzee at the zoo here has passed on now but when I was small girl he would huck poop at The kids that mocked him or teased him!
Gorillas use sticks to dig for ants in ant hills etc..
Quote from: Karen W. on 11/03/2009 06:47:00Gorillas use sticks to dig for ants in ant hills etc..Liar liar pants on fire!Grillas ar vejiterian.
Quote from: DoctorBeaver on 11/03/2009 10:21:49Quote from: Karen W. on 11/03/2009 06:47:00Gorillas use sticks to dig for ants in ant hills etc..Liar liar pants on fire!Grillas ar vejiterian.They don't eat them, they just like annoying them!
I like grillas, here's a nice one.
Quote from: Don_1 on 11/03/2009 14:21:46I like grillas, here's a nice one.Is that the foreman or just a chargehand?
We've buggered this thread now. Is there no end to our malice!