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quote:I didn't read everything you have said so far on this subject, but being born disabled, I strongly object all kinds of Darwinist thinking.
quote:In the Middle Ages, people thought that disabilities were caused by some evil spirit. The fear of that demon made people afraid of disabled persons.http://teacher.scholastic.com/scholasticnews/indepth/special_olympics/background/index.asp?article=background
quote:By "Darwinist thinking" I referred to evaluating people by their superficial attributes; survival of the normal.
quote: Crime statistics are upsetting: according to estimates in USA people with disabilities are four to 10 times more likely to be victimized than people without disabilities.
quote: Life is always precious! It's stigmatizing to say any disability would be an indicator of (in)humaneness. Besides, disability hardly ever means total inability. Moreover, disability hardly ever is just a minus, or a sum of minuses.People with a hearing impairment, for example, view themselves as members of their own culture which shouldn't be destroyed with hearing implants. Even though I'm not hearing impaired myself I think their view should be respected.
quote: This is hypothetical, but assuming that the gene(s?) causing ALS could have been located before the birth of Stephen Hawking, we could have lost him.
quote:[...]"genes get passed on."
quote:[…]”there will be some disabled person who cares enough and invents a wheel chair with tazors and mace sprays for protection, like what has been done with pimped out cars in South Africa."
quote:[…]”we still live in a world where someone’s race, appearance and religion devalues their humanness in some one else’s eyes.”
quote:[…]"hearing impairment is a great example"[…]
quote:[…]”One side says […] The other say"[…]
quote:[…]“that’s how they are born and we coped fine and they can be integrated into our lifestyle.”
quote:[…]”a new born child cannot make the choice for themselves”[…]
quote:”Cochlear implants are more effective if they are used at an early age”
quote: “I had a friend at school who had deaf parents and she just signed around her family and spoke anywhere else.”
quote:”Oh no wait im far more likely to want to just kill them being a geneticist???”
quote:”If I had something like Huntington’s I would want to chose to have a child free of the defective Huntington gene (Using IVF and selecting the zygote, which is a contested topic in the UK), but I could quite easily just choose to not risk anything and have no kids (the "natural" way) oh look now I don't bring any life into the world for the sake of it. Or would you prefer I do bring a child into the world knowing full well that there was a 1:2ish chance that they would have Huntington’s and die an early death in a fairly horrific way. Sure they might do great things in the time they had, or they might crap themselves all life long because they know they are going to die early without one of their parents? This isn’t a contested disease we know that it’s hereditary and also dominant even before we knew how. Oh I know we have a kid don’t tell them about it, we die early. They go on have a load of kids and then they die without knowing why… and so it goes on, or you can stop the trait dead in its tracks in the family line.”
quote:”I know where you are coming from but everyone including the disabled with the example of deaf people wants children who are “like” them.”
quote:“What is your concept of normal and disabled anyway?”
quote:“If I saw a small kid or and old person struggling to open a door I’d help them. […] Again I would do the same for a disabled person […] I could be accused of taking away their individuality”
quote:”The world has gone mad!”
quote:[…]"new muscle enhancer gene therapy[…]"
quote:”Then an exo-skeleton clad disabled person comes along and beats the crap out of the genetic enhanced people. What a nice picture of the future."
quote:[…]”technology will make this problem go away.”
quote:Likewise, a gene tested embryo doesn’t have the right to choose.
quote:"[...]but in a controlled way[...]"
quote:[...]give just one generation the modifications.
quote:Originally posted by UltimaI would love some nice enhancements genetic or mechanical. You could have some neato AI program that appears as a person in your filed of vision and tells you stuff you might want to know.
quote:Have a wireless connection to other people with similar enhancements near to you (or far away ) to share thoughts and ideas[...]
quote:Imagine the borg from star trek. They appear kind of scary because they take people by force.
quote:To me they seam like a really good idea, having a shared collective consciousness[...]
quote:Like what about remotely accessing distant deep space probes so it feels like you are really there flying about in orbit around some newly discovered planet, tele-presence is probably one of the more interesting and feasible ways for man to explore the universe.
quote:So if someone feels like killing someone they could go red so as to warn people to leave them alone.
quote:Originally posted by DoctorBeaverI know 3 people with children who are profoundly autistic, 1 especially so. The latter can't speak or understand what is said to her. She is obsessed with routine & even the slightest change is enough to send her into 1 of her many extended tantrums during which she screams ceaselessly & throws herself & objects around. It is far from uncommon for these tantrums to last for a whole day or even sometimes into the next day. You can imagine what she's like when her special school is on holiday & her routine severely interrupted.The other 2 can speak but display obsessive behavioural traits and the same need for routine. 1 insists that her toys & shoes are arranged in a certain order before she gets into bed & then re-arranged exactly-so once she's in. If just 1 of them is even slightly out of place a tantrum invariably ensues. They also both suffer from extended, violent & seemingly-random tantrums.These are not the type of tantrums that can be cured as one would cure them in a "normal" (I hate that word) child. You can't ground a severely autistic child as you can't let them out of your sight anyway. Depriving them of something only exacerbates the situation & many would not understand if you tried to explain to them that their behaviour is wrong as they simply don't have any language. Even if they could understand it wouldn't do any good as they have no control over their tantrums.My friend who has the most seriously affected child is lucky insofar as she herself has very supportive parents who will frequently take her daughter for a day or 2 to provide respite. Many parents of autistic children do not enjoy that level of support as the grandparents just can't cope & funding for state-sponsored respite is very limited and hard to get.Autism is for life. There is NO CURE.Still think it would be awesome?