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« on: 17/04/2009 01:04:23 »
This is the B roll story all over the news today.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2009/apr/16/urals-lung-operation-fir-tree
Could a tree really sprout inside the human body or as I would suspect the story is bunk?

{edit} changed the link to one that hopefully won't crash Karen's browser.
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« Reply #1 on: 17/04/2009 01:47:58 »
Well, who's going to argue with the news?

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« Reply #2 on: 17/04/2009 07:16:24 »
*raises hand*

No way that is real.

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« Reply #3 on: 17/04/2009 07:25:09 »
I have no idea.
Perhaps it was inhaled.

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« Reply #4 on: 17/04/2009 08:07:25 »
This is the B roll story all over the news today.
http://news.google.com/news?um=1&ned=us&cf=all&ncl=1332653953

Could a tree really sprout inside the human body or as I would suspect the story is bunk?

hey allan...each time I click on your link it shuts down my browser... could you try posting another link.... 

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« Reply #6 on: 17/04/2009 08:21:44 »
If the photo from one of the news leads is to be believed, then the reasonable answer is that:

No, that is not a fir tree growing in his lung.

The morphology of the twig is not consistent with a young tree that has grown from seed - the stem is too thick, the needles are too big and are in the wrong location for a newly regenerated seedling and there are no roots. Although it may be possible to germinate a seed in those conditions, there is no mechanism for photosynthesis to occur and produce chlorophyll. A tree grown under those conditions would therefore not be green.

It IS however a bit of conifer, probably a spruce. The section that is in the photo is most likely to be the end of a shoot from a branch that was either inhaled or pierced the body.

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« Reply #7 on: 17/04/2009 09:29:58 »
Try this: http://news.google.com/news?pz=1&ned=us&hl=en&q=fir+tree+lung

thanks C4M... I WAS ABLE TO READ IT thats interesting..I  think I could actually  see something grow in that enviorment. A parent at school had a child who got a bean sprout stuck in their nose and it sprouted and developed a green leaf  and the root was tangled in the sinus cavity.
I had another student get a bean stuck down in her ear and it sprouted also, so I tend to think it quite possible...

Having done some tissue culture. We always started the cuttings in a dark room,  then soon after sprouting, moved the plants to a room with light on a timer.  I have seen the plants with no have green leaves..but they will go all white if not transferred at the proper time. A plant usually lives beneath the soil in the dark, and sprouts and grows through the dirt into the light.....I have found usually as Stuart commented, that they need the chlorophyll to green up from the light..usually one sees semi white green plants start..then green up darker with further light exposure... so It does make one wonder!

For me, even knowing the facts..I still find it quite possible at least in my mind!
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« Reply #8 on: 17/04/2009 10:40:43 »
If the photo from one of the news leads is to be believed, then the reasonable answer is that:

No, that is not a fir tree growing in his lung.

The morphology of the twig is not consistent with a young tree that has grown from seed - the stem is too thick, the needles are too big and are in the wrong location for a newly regenerated seedling and there are no roots. Although it may be possible to germinate a seed in those conditions, there is no mechanism for photosynthesis to occur and produce chlorophyll. A tree grown under those conditions would therefore not be green.

It IS however a bit of conifer, probably a spruce. The section that is in the photo is most likely to be the end of a shoot from a branch that was either inhaled or pierced the body.

Yes I agree, it even looks like a broken off growing tip, certainly not a seedling. A seedling of that size would not have leaves (needles) anywhere remotely close to those,
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« Reply #9 on: 17/04/2009 22:47:14 »
There has been a documented instance of a plant seed germinating and starting to grow in someone's eye.
...And its claws are as big as cups, and for some reason it's got a tremendous fear of stamps! And Mrs Doyle was telling me it's got magnets on its tail, so if you're made out of metal it can attach itself to you! And instead of a mouth it's got four arses!

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« Reply #10 on: 18/04/2009 01:44:10 »
Whaaa? [:o] But there was sunlight right?

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« Reply #11 on: 18/04/2009 02:07:10 »
Had to be even with eyes closed they will still get a certain amount of light exposure..Like the rest of our body.

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« Reply #12 on: 14/05/2009 17:47:20 »
maybe the sun shines out of his ass and that's why the sprigg was green?
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« Reply #13 on: 15/05/2009 10:20:23 »
In that case the plant must have been in his anus.

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« Reply #14 on: 15/05/2009 10:25:06 »
Let's hope he doesn't get butt rot...

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« Reply #15 on: 15/05/2009 10:33:22 »
Yeah, he'll be rooted to the spot. [;D]

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« Reply #16 on: 15/05/2009 12:58:55 »
I think this thread is begining to branch away from it's roots, it needs a bit of sprucing up.

(Now having seen what I just wrote I wanna be sick...)
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« Reply #17 on: 15/05/2009 14:24:04 »
I see you've already got the gist of this place. [:)]

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« Reply #18 on: 15/05/2009 14:35:00 »
Yew appear to have resurrected this old thread and are barking up the wrong tree.
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« Reply #19 on: 15/05/2009 16:27:07 »
Yew appear to have resurrected this old thread and are barking up the wrong tree.
Now you really are begining to needle me..
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« Reply #20 on: 15/05/2009 16:30:16 »
"Oh no, not more puns" the rest of us opined.


Edit: Oops - missed out the word 'rest'
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...And its claws are as big as cups, and for some reason it's got a tremendous fear of stamps! And Mrs Doyle was telling me it's got magnets on its tail, so if you're made out of metal it can attach itself to you! And instead of a mouth it's got four arses!

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« Reply #21 on: 15/05/2009 16:59:23 »
Leaf it out!
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« Reply #22 on: 15/05/2009 18:05:07 »
Think I'll just pack my trunk but then wood that sap all my strength?
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« Reply #23 on: 15/05/2009 18:13:29 »
Ah! So you've twigged have you, time we branched out to give you a chance to blossom.
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« Reply #24 on: 15/05/2009 18:16:30 »
Fir god's sake will you please stop now!
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« Reply #25 on: 15/05/2009 18:38:08 »
Huh! Running out of puns already eh! I suppose yew can't cedar wood for the trees. Ash a pity, we do seem to get a treemendous response to a good pun filled thread. Oh well, never mind, it is supposed to be a science forum, so lets get back to matters scientific, like perhaps doing some logarithms!!!
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« Reply #26 on: 15/05/2009 21:30:54 »
Oakily doakily,
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« Reply #27 on: 16/05/2009 01:25:28 »
Oh please, I've got the wood on all of you. You should all be sent to an axylem, where you'll sit petrified for the rest of your life. 

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« Reply #28 on: 16/05/2009 14:00:02 »
Oh please, I've got the wood on all of you. You should all be sent to an axylem, where you'll sit petrified for the rest of your life. 

I wouldn't mind sitting petrified, I'll do anything for-rest.
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« Reply #29 on: 17/05/2009 00:38:38 »
Now now, don't you get all sappy on me, we are just getting started. Quite unbeleafable really, you'll be reduced to ash-es when I'm done with you!

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« Reply #30 on: 17/05/2009 08:59:28 »
How one lungs for a decent thread to be aired
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« Reply #31 on: 17/05/2009 18:22:09 »
Is there anyone on the firum from Aldershot?
...And its claws are as big as cups, and for some reason it's got a tremendous fear of stamps! And Mrs Doyle was telling me it's got magnets on its tail, so if you're made out of metal it can attach itself to you! And instead of a mouth it's got four arses!

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« Reply #32 on: 17/05/2009 22:18:57 »
Is there anyone on the firum from Aldershot?
close - Nr Petersfield.
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« Reply #33 on: 18/05/2009 08:57:31 »
Is there anyone on the firum from Aldershot?

I object to shooting trees. (Nice one LeeE) It goes against the grain for me.
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« Reply #34 on: 18/05/2009 17:21:16 »
Oops, sorry - I had no intention of conedoning the shooting of trees.
...And its claws are as big as cups, and for some reason it's got a tremendous fear of stamps! And Mrs Doyle was telling me it's got magnets on its tail, so if you're made out of metal it can attach itself to you! And instead of a mouth it's got four arses!

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« Reply #35 on: 18/05/2009 17:56:44 »
I'm sure you didn't. In fact you clipped us firmly together there.

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« Reply #36 on: 19/05/2009 07:45:44 »
You've all become comedians like Woody Allen have you?
I think you should pack your trunks and leafe before I chase you out with the palm.

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« Reply #37 on: 19/05/2009 08:48:45 »
Well I'm going now anyway, I have to see the vet about my pet pig. I shall see if he has got ma hog any better.

Now that's what you call contrived!!!
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« Reply #38 on: 19/05/2009 09:40:02 »
THis thread is becoming stumped.

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« Reply #39 on: 19/05/2009 09:42:15 »
Impossible when I bowl beamers!

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« Reply #40 on: 19/05/2009 09:44:46 »
ha ha... there is an ad at the bottom of my page about family trees.  How fitting.

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« Reply #43 on: 19/05/2009 13:09:41 »
Now this is interesting.  In theory it could be possible for it to germinate, because to germinate a seed doesn't need light.  A plant needs light to create food (photosynthesis) which leads to energy.  All the energy that a plant needs to germinate is stored inside the seed as endosperm.  Which would then therefore mean that it could"grow inside him".  However once its stored energy that it had to start with was gone it would need a light source, and, as there would be none inside a lung, would die.

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« Reply #44 on: 19/05/2009 13:47:01 »
A pine seed is quite large, I doubt anyone could breath one in without noticing. It would make you cough quite violently. Also those needles are not the leaves of a seedling and the bodies defences would have attacked and destroyed it.

Quite apart from that, I do not think the seed could have found the track here (TRACHEA) ..... Oh my oh my, not another silly pun!!!
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« Reply #45 on: 19/05/2009 14:55:12 »
A pine seed is quite large, I doubt anyone could breath one in without noticing. It would make you cough quite violently. Also those needles are not the leaves of a seedling and the bodies defences would have attacked and destroyed it.

I quite agree with you.
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« Reply #46 on: 19/05/2009 16:05:00 »
Don't you like puns?

I love 'em, especially cinnamon ones with huge dollops of real butter..... Oh no, sorry, that's BUNS!
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« Reply #47 on: 19/05/2009 18:50:42 »
Maybe his lungs are Fir-ing up
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« Reply #48 on: 19/05/2009 20:15:58 »
I think he was pining for the old country.
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« Reply #49 on: 20/05/2009 12:35:36 »
Don't you like puns?

I love 'em, especially cinnamon ones with huge dollops of real butter..... Oh no, sorry, that's BUNS!
Maybe his lungs are Fir-ing up
I think he was pining for the old country.

Are you lot talking about me?

Cause I do like puns.  Wood you excuse me though, I just don't cut out as a good pun artist, oakay?