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Does anyone know of the actual construction of the original flag and stick?
I think the comments posted below it talking about static, or ground transmitted vibration look eminently reasonable.
Why would NASA have been dumb enough to publish it if it were a threat to the conspiracy they sought to maintain?
Ive got a theory that as the flag couldn't have moved for no reason it therefore must have moved due to something that couldn't be seen. I therefore believe that the most reasonable explanation must be a micro meteoroid travelling at many thousands of miles an hour and so small that it couldn't be observed hitting the flag.As it past through the material it imparted some of its energy to the flag causing the flag to move . Thankfully the astronaut had just stepped forward allowing it to pass millimetres away from his leg a micro second later I know the chances of one hitting the flag at the time that it was being filmed are very very very small but as millions of these things hit the moon every year as their is no real atmosphere to burn them up the event occurring is quite possible. All my evidence that the event occurred was provided by an independent source ,namely you .If you do not believe in my theory can i ask you to prove otherwise by using only the evidence which i used which was originally supplied by you and initially used as your evidence.
After seeing all of the other evidence of a hoax, I'd say it was a breeze caused by the astronaut's passing that made the flag move.
Why would it not go on waving about for minutes after it was nudged?
the movements of the jackets of two people, one standing still, the other running on a treadmill, are not going to be the same.
It was shown in slow-motion.
As Collins goes up, the corner of the jacket goes up too but it doesn't continue going up as it would in zero-G. It comes back down the way it would in gravity. There is no other identifiable force that would make it come back down.
QuoteWhy would it not go on waving about for minutes after it was nudged?It was shown in slow-motion.
It was shown in slow-motion. You have evidence of this? What period of oscillation would you predict for a piece of plastic on the end of a very thin, 1.5m, steel wire?
Is that the voice of experience or are you making it up?
Can you answer the question as to how 'they' actually managed to fake it so well?
As I have said before - was there any possible way they could have arranged for the radio reception to have mimicked that of a genuine moonshot? What alternative orbit could they have had which would have given the impression of the transmissions coming from the Moon?
The force of Collins' upward movement makes the corner go up but it doesn't continue going up as it would in zero-gravity.
QuoteIs that the voice of experience or are you making it up?I'm just going on Newton's first law of motion.
HOW would there, possibly, be zero gravity on the Moon's surface? The Moon would just fall apart if there were no gravity on its surface.
Oh. I didn't get the significance of the name. In any case, if no one claimed that he went onto the Moon's surface then how is his experience relevant to conditions on the Moon?Presumably you are prepared to acknowledge that they actually managed to get into Earth orbit, at least - so Collin's situation would have been virtually the same wherever he was. His jacket, or whatever, would have moved in the same way.What bit of Science are you trying to use, in this context, to disprove what bit of the Moonshot? Give me a coherent argument.
I don't know how to calculate oscillation. My evidence is the difference in body movements between the earlier missions and the later missions.
Firstly you are saying that none of the faking was actually done in space.
Secondly, you have no idea about the construction of the jacket so you can't predict how it should have behaved. Depending upon the construction - Rigid, springy, floppy - it could have moved in any way. I repeat my question - which bit of Science PROVES your point?
The truth about everything they did and how they did it will all come out later.
it's not stiff enough to carry the pressure from the top or the back to the corner
This is something I won't take sides on.
I wish they'd stick to the Roswell Incident and Kennedy for their conspiracy fun.
it's not stiff enough to carry the pressure from the top or the back to the corner what sort of Engineer speak is that? What 'pressure'? This is basically a transverse wave you're discussing - doesn't it involve tension and torque?
O no! I don't know why I'm bothering. There is a laser reflector on the moon (actually there are now five I believe) which was left by the Apollo 11 mission in 1969. Further ones were placed by Apollo 14 and 15 missions and another two by some unmanned Russian craft (only one of these is operating though). These passive devices can be detected on earth by anyone with the right equipment and the first one was used to get a lot of information about the moon's orbit in the first 25 years since it was placed there. Use is not restricted to NASA. Are the conspiracy theorist now saying that the conspiracy is an international one involving loads of Universities in the world as well as government organisations
The radio signals that came back must have come from the moon or the Russians would have had an absolute field day denouncing the US
Someone would have talked by now; given the timescale there would have been a few deathbed confessions.
What makes you think the press would report anything like that? The press is controlled. We're just led to believe it's independent.
Believing the landings were faked is beyond ridiculous, and anyone stupid enough to believe it is either paranoid or delusional.The beaver has spoken. Now stop this absurdity!
Quote from: DoctorBeaver on 09/08/2008 11:33:38Believing the landings were faked is beyond ridiculous, and anyone stupid enough to believe it is either paranoid or delusional.The beaver has spoken. Now stop this absurdity!Agreed, is there a moderator around who would wish to lock this topic?