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Simpleton, you say " I want Relenza in my first aid kit, but I want some herbs, tinctures and fruits too".Why?
Do you have any evidence that any of them will help?
Which ones will you choose and on what basis would you chose them?
If it's not on the basis of empirical evidence then your thoughts on the matter are unscientific. If you repeatedly post unscientific claptrap on a science forum you can expect to be ridiculed.
If you also choose to insult the people who point out the problems with your ideas then, to say the least, it hardly supports your case.
Actually, what is more of a wonder to me, is that there are people, like you, looking to criticise, ridicule and add worthless petty argument to such an important topic, in order to satisfy some apparent intrinsic desire to appear worthy and intelligent before peers and onlookers...get a grip mate, its not clever and you ain't gonna win any new friends.
The other possibility is... have the vaccine (if offered and available), then you don't even get the flu in the first place! Great. Or not.
I mean lets look at it in a basic, honest way... what is the advice from the highest sources of medical knowledge in the UK? The medical community says... stay in bed, take an asprin or 2, drink fluids and take a drug that is, by the day becoming less and less effective AND has unknown long-term side effects. GREAT! With the final advise being...Sorry everyone, that's it, we can't advise further and remember, please don't visit your doctor, unless you stop breathing, then call 999. Finally, don't forget, if you or your family members die, we really did give it our best shot and advised you on all the possible remedies, honestly.
Of course you get the 'flu, thats how vaccines work.What you don't get is the full blown disease.
What exactly do you expect the medical community to do? Doctors are not Gods ( although some think they are!)
This is what irks me about people, they expect conventional, actually lets drop the word conventional, medicine to be able to cure something hey presto.
What do you think it is, magic?? (Rhet)
If you go to the doctor with an ailment, you expect pills creams or potions to put it right, and if you dont get anything, people complain. Well tough titty.
Medicine does not have all the answers,
in fact when it comes to the human body we don't know anywhere near enough. The centuries of research into the biology of the body, and the distance we have come so far is proof of how beautifully complex it really is.
Personally I am always in awe of how stripped down and lean viruses are, and how they sneak in and out of cells, performing a coup de'tat on the way. Our immune system is well-honed to beat this, but Influenza A doesn't give in without a fight!
The result being we either feel really crap for a while, or if unlucky we develop a complication and die.
Well, that is life, That is what happens in life and as yet we don't have an amazing wonder drug to combat it. We have the anti-virals, and we have the anti-microbials to combat any secondary infections,and the physiological support, but that really is about it. The sooner people realise that the better and stop expecting medicine to have the answers for everything and criticise when it doesn't.
I think I should have written "you don't even get the FULL BLOWN flu, OR DIE in the first place... Better?Actually, vaccines are made using viruses that are either dead or severely damaged so that they can not reproduce. (Wiki).
After that little aside, and returning to the point, I think the time is arriving, swiftly, when much more interaction and cooperation between various disciplines of medicine should be sought.
Hey Presto? This is the 4th outbreak of this kind this century! Mankind will be soon wandering around on Mars but we have still no great plan to deal with this common pesky virus that keeps appearing every 30 or 40 years! Did we just hope it would not turn up again?
What have we learned about this situation in the past 100 years. Which disciplines of medicine throughout history proved that their methods actually worked against it, lets hear what they have to say, lets work together testing various disciplines for the common good of all.
Throw away attachments to core beliefs from inflexible disciplines and let the mind free for a moment. I am not talking about a handful of hippies preaching about the wonders of oak bark, I am referring to world medicinal belief systems. How different is the Chinese medical approach to that of the western medicine, in comparison to the Indian and African, not to forget South American. Each community has doctors, people who are dedicated to helping others. It's about time some of the walls came down.
Totally agree, a wonder. But would actually like to remain in awe of them a bit longer...I am not that in awe! That's why I am fighting...here now, fighting with words to gather opinions to get conversation started to speed up the process a little bit.
Perhaps it already exists your "wonder drug" (cure), for sure it already exists, why wouldn't it. Is it not our challenge to find out how to overcome this problem, together? We will, you know, its just a question of when and how.
It turns out that swine flu is a bit of a wash-out
Complementary First Aid Kit for H1N1 (BETA)-Schüssler Salts (3,4,8,11) - http://www.schuesslersalts.com/ [nofollow]-Influcid Tablets - Homeopothy. More Info [nofollow]-Swedish Bitters - Maria Treben [nofollow]-Fern-leaved Biscuit-root (Lomatium dissectum) - Root if Possible and/or tincture-White Tea (as part of fluid intake)-Vitamin C - Toxic level (LD50), 11.9 grams per kilogram of body weight when taken orally. 6 grams of ascorbic acid were given to 29 infants, 93 children of preschool and school age, and 20 adults for more than 1400 days. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_C [nofollow]-Black Elder berries-Goji berries-Sodium chlorite/MMS - More research-Chorine dioxide - More research-Vitamin D-Garlic -Relenza-Tylenol and ibuprofen - more research-Symmetrel & Flumadine - more researchInteresting Links:Child Fever - http://healthmad.com/home-health/how-to-bring-a-fever-down-naturally/ [nofollow]Reduce Fever - http://healthmad.com/home-health/how-to-reduce-a-fever/ [nofollow]Notes:Therefore, aspirin-containing remedies should not be given to children under 15 except on the advice of a doctor. There are, however, a number of specific anti-influenza agents available on prescription. These include amantadine (Symmetrel) and rimantadine (Flumadine) which work by preventing the virus from shedding its coat inside cells, stopping it from multiplying. These agents can be used to protect at-risk individuals from infections, and are also able to offer limited benefit to sufferers if started within 48 hours of infection. They are, however, only active against influenza A.It looks like increasing vitamin D intake and adding beta glucan supplements to your diet should decrease your chances of catching any flu. If you do get sick a combination of a COX-2 inhibitor in combination with a H1 Blocker: Benadryl, Claritin or Zyrtec and a H2 Blocker: Tagamet (Cimetidine), Zantac (Ranitidine), or Pepcid (Famotadine) should effectively stop the cytokine storm and the resulting lung damage. Statin drugs seem to stop the cytokine storm also, but I'm uncertain of their mechanism. Research by; © 2009 Simpleton.
beta glucan supplements to your diet should decrease your chances of catching any flu.
If you do get sick a combination of a COX-2 inhibitor in combination with a H1 Blocker: Benadryl, Claritin or Zyrtec and a H2 Blocker: Tagamet (Cimetidine), Zantac (Ranitidine), or Pepcid (Famotadine) should effectively stop the cytokine storm and the resulting lung damage. Statin drugs seem to stop the cytokine storm also, but I'm uncertain of their mechanism.
The affects of beta glucan in its ability to boost the immune system is still questionable.
So Ibuprofen and a good indigestion remedy?! (not for asthmatics obviously)
Statins would have too many negative side affects to warrant use.
Which is not good for Asthmatics?
Ibuprofen! Some asthmatics react badly to ibuprofen, asprin or both.In general, Simpleton, whilst what you're trying to do is in some respects admirable I never the less find it a bit worrying. If something has a curative/protective effect it follows that that effect must be the result of a physiological effect on the body. Anything with effects has side-effects, and whilst deciding to eat a bit more fruit and veg, or even add a little cinnamon to your morning toast, isn't likely to hurt anyone (fruit, veg and cinnamon being things routinely consumed by people in day to day life and so unlikely to cause any very significant negative effect, or it would have been noticed already), I'd want to ask (ideally) an immunologist some pretty searching questions about the likely effects of dosing myself up on anti-histamines before I did so.I am not entirely comfortable with the idea that someone who doesn't know that ibuprofen is a drug people with asthma are advised to take only under medical advice* is in effect using this forum to publish a list of drugs with the suggestion that people should take them if they contract 'flu, because however much you emphasise that you are only looking for information the above list does look like a suggestion to others.* No offence meant here... I didn't know about this until a couple of years ago.
QuoteWhich is not good for Asthmatics?As Rosy has pointed out, Ibuprofen, which is one of the most common Cox 2 inhibitors is not good for asthmatics due to it increasing the action/number of leukotrienes. Not all asthmatics are affected by it, I know I am sensitive as I already take a leukotrine blocker. Zantac (ranatidine) is a popular indigestion remedy.
Quote"The whole is greater than the sum of the individual parts." 1+1=3. Lets suppose that the first "1" is conventional medicine. The second "1" is complementary... together it produces more worth than when working alone."this is a science forum so you should realise that if you can't support that you should withdraw it.
"The whole is greater than the sum of the individual parts." 1+1=3. Lets suppose that the first "1" is conventional medicine. The second "1" is complementary... together it produces more worth than when working alone."
anyway, look back to the original question; the title of the thread.What complementary remedies are there for H1N1.Well there are lots.For example I might tell you that Quotewearing your socks inside-out will stop you getting it.I could make up lots more- or I could look up the ones that others have made up.
wearing your socks inside-out
What would I gain from this?There are two sorts of remedies- the ones that work and the ones that don't. The ones that don't get called alternative or complimentary.Since they don't work; who cares what they are?
Do you realise that "modern" herbalists still base their work on things like "Yarrow was a plant of Venus (this was odd, because most devil's herbs were plants of Saturn) and, as such, was frequently consulted where love matters were concerned. "and "Culpepper tells us that: 'Mercury has the dominion of this plant, and therefore to be sure it strengthens the brain.... It stays the hiccough, being boiled in wine, and but smelled unto being tied in a cloth. The seed is of more use than the leaves, and more effectual to digest raw and vicious humours, and is used in medicines that serve to expel wind, and the pains proceeding therefrom...."Do you really think that such trash based on astrology is worth reading, never mind using as the basis of medicine?
Botanical AstrologyThe connection between the celestial skies above and the growth cycles of plants and vegetation below has long been understood and honored through planting and harvesting rituals and documented by Farmerís Almanacs. A lesser known fact is that the signs and planets of the zodiac are linked to specific herbs, flowers, plants and trees and have been used therapeutically throughout the ages. Below is an at-a-glance list originated by noted 20th century astrologer Alan Leo. Herbs are classified according to planetary influences as follows: http://www.celestiallivingarts.com/astro_herbs.html [nofollow]
There are no doubt real medical uses for some herbs; I have mentioned a few.
There are also real side effects associated with herbs.
No shock there- the difference between a drug and a poison is just the dose.
The problem is that there's a lot of rubbish talked about herbs without any basis in fact; they just claim "the ancients said it was right!".
Well the ancients didn't have a clue about how the body worked or about pharmacology.
Most of them thought the Earth was the centre of the universe and that the stars were painted onto glass spheres.Are they a reliable source?
Somehow I doubt many people reading this will think so.
I wonder if 1 in 2 doctors have already had the virus.It seems plausible that a large fraction of them have. If half of them think they have been exposed already then they would be fools to take, even the smallest risk, and also they would be seen as "greedy" to take it if they don't need it.
BTW, you seem not to hae spotted this question in my last post"If it seems reasonable to you could you please provide a reason why a bunch of unconnected stars zillions of miles away might have any effect on me as a consequence of the date I was born?"Please answer it.Oh, Also, I just wondered; do you plan to set up the poll you suggested earlier?
It sends a very poor message, especially as the article doesn't mention why they wouldn't have the vaccine. This means we can assume that they don't trust it, but we can also assume that they consider themselves healthy and would prefer to see the vaccine going to at risk groups. Sadly, there's so little information there that we can think whatever we like...