Diamonds are well hard aren't they ?

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Diamonds are well hard aren't they ?
« on: 27/08/2005 22:23:48 »
I wouldn't want to meet an angry diamond in a dark alley one night, because it's so hard !!..

Diamonds are the hardest Natural substance known (so far)...but how hard can something be ?...how much harder than diamonds have we been able to make things ?...and is there a limit to ' hardness ' ?

Sugar Coat your comments for me as I can't take the hard stuff.

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Re: Diamonds are well hard aren't they ?
« Reply #1 on: 27/08/2005 22:36:21 »
There also well expensive

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Re: Diamonds are well hard aren't they ?
« Reply #2 on: 27/08/2005 22:43:21 »
quote:
Originally posted by ukmicky

There also well expensive


Mate..thats what Cubic Zirconia was invented for !![:D][;)]

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Re: Diamonds are well hard aren't they ?
« Reply #3 on: 28/08/2005 07:48:47 »
Diamonds are still used on high performance drill bits and cutting disks so I'm guessing there isn't anything much harder - or if there is it's more expensive than diamond dust!
 

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Re: Diamonds are well hard aren't they ?
« Reply #4 on: 28/08/2005 18:10:33 »
Thanks Simmer....though I'm sure there are artificial harder substances....lets hope a passing ' hard substance ' expert passes....thanks

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Re: Diamonds are well hard aren't they ?
« Reply #5 on: 28/08/2005 20:19:04 »
im sure this topic came up a couple of months ago and some hardness expert did say there were two or three man made materials that were harder if i knew how to look up and link to old topics i would be more specific sorry

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« Reply #6 on: 28/08/2005 20:50:16 »
Thanks Chris....I just did a quick search and the only result was this thread !!..Oh well...perhaps it was mentioned in another thread with a different topic altogether.....well, lets just see if the ' hardness' expert passes by on his way back !!

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Re: Diamonds are well hard aren't they ?
« Reply #7 on: 28/08/2005 21:27:04 »
The only substance I know of was developed by GE in the 1960's(?)- called "borazon", made of interlocking boron amd nitrogen atoms.

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Re: Diamonds are well hard aren't they ?
« Reply #8 on: 28/08/2005 22:56:54 »
Neil
Carbon nanotubes

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Re: Diamonds are well hard aren't they ?
« Reply #9 on: 28/08/2005 22:59:41 »
Neil
Here's a link regarding the nanotubes

http://physicsweb.org/articles/world/11/1/9

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Re: Diamonds are well hard aren't they ?
« Reply #10 on: 28/08/2005 23:31:45 »
Thanks Michael...great link....so glad it's just a short article !!!!.....seriously though....many thanks.


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Re: Diamonds are well hard aren't they ?
« Reply #11 on: 28/08/2005 23:48:37 »
Thats ok mate.

I thought i would give you something to read in the early hours.
Here's a little extra
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Ray Baughman's group from the NanoTech Institute at University of Texas at Dallas produced the current toughest material known in mid-2003 by spinning fibers of single wall carbon nanotubes with polyvinyl alcohol. Beating the previous contender, spider silk, by a factor of four, the fibers require 600J/g to break. In comparison, the bullet-resistant fiber Kevlar is 27-33J/g. In mid-2005 Baughman and co-workers from Australia's Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization developed a method for producing transparent carbon nanotube sheets 1/1000th the thickness of a human hair capable of supporting 50,000 times their own mass.


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Re: Diamonds are well hard aren't they ?
« Reply #12 on: 29/08/2005 10:27:10 »
Sounds like tensile strength rather than hardness.  

Until this well hard expert turns up, this article

http://www.afrlhorizons.com/Briefs/0009/OSR0002.html

talks about a new superhard crystalline material developed at Arlington that is second only to diamondin hardness! So maybe diamonds are still the meanest material on the block. [:)]
 

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« Reply #13 on: 30/08/2005 04:10:04 »
Diamond is a BBC or Body Centered Cubic structure of carbon. As such you have a very small atom with 4 covalent bonds. The inner electrons are more strongly bonded to the nucelus than larger atoms, and with the tight bonding to the 4 nearest neighbors, you produce a very strong and hard material. Yes it can be split on crystaline planes. But there cannot be any other substance harder as there is no way to have more than 4 covalent bonds, and carbon is the smallest atom that can do so, even though it is not a natural bonding (requires extreme pressure/heat to achieve).

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Re: Diamonds are well hard aren't they ?
« Reply #14 on: 30/08/2005 17:13:36 »
Someone did come up with a computer model of a carbon nitrogen compound that is slightly harder than diamond and according to:
http://www.lbl.gov/Science-Articles/Archive/superhard-materials.html

they managed to make it. I guess it is far harder to make than diamond so not worth it.

although according to:
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/308/5726/1268
it didn't work as I seem to remember they forgot about a means of deformation so it wasn't as good as diamond...

It is conceivable that you could slightly alter diamond to make something a bit harder, but I doubt you are going to get very far.

The carbon nanotube material was very tough not hard - toughness is the ability of a material to absorb energy without breaking - a hammer made out of diamond although very hard and very strong would be useless as it is not as tough as steel so if you hit something else quite hard with it, it would shatter as it is brittle.

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« Reply #15 on: 04/09/2005 04:17:13 »
What facinating comments..thank you all. Gosh !!..Diamonds are well hard !

In contrast to the hardness scale...is there also a most softest substance too ?



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Re: Diamonds are well hard aren't they ?
« Reply #16 on: 14/09/2005 14:33:12 »
Do you mean softest solid mineral? That would usually be talc. Of course there are softer materials, such as rubbers and plastics, and you have even softer liquids and gasses. I suppose, the ultimate softest "substance" is a vacuum.

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« Reply #17 on: 14/09/2005 17:51:58 »
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Originally posted by gsmollin

Do you mean softest solid mineral? That would usually be talc. Of course there are softer materials, such as rubbers and plastics, and you have even softer liquids and gasses. I suppose, the ultimate softest "substance" is a vacuum.

"F = ma, E = mc^2, and you can't push a string."



Thank you Gsmollin Sir....can I say the softest of each of those materials you've mentioned ?.....I never realised my Hoover was so soft ! (droll !!...exceedingly dull and droll joke !)

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Re: Diamonds are well hard aren't they ?
« Reply #18 on: 18/09/2005 03:06:30 »
Talic is the usual material mentioned at a hardness of 2. Of course we are talking minerals here, and there are loads of things softer than that. Ah have I mentioned girls?

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« Reply #19 on: 18/09/2005 03:30:39 »
Girls !!...Drool !!...curvy balls of girly goodness !!

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« Reply #20 on: 14/10/2005 02:16:50 »
 

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« Reply #21 on: 14/10/2005 02:25:01 »
Yep !..That's  finished it alright.



















one final question ....is it possible to melt Diamond ?..has anyone ever done it ?

...well..that's two questions then.


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« Reply #22 on: 14/10/2005 02:44:06 »
Ain't  nano rods just another name for my nano tubes,which everyone said wern't well hard

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« Reply #23 on: 14/10/2005 03:59:33 »
I never said that Michael...I think Nano tubes are well hard too :-)

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« Reply #24 on: 14/10/2005 04:53:12 »
originally posted by neil:   reposted by me

one final question ....is it possible to melt Diamond ?..has anyone ever done it ?

...well..that's two questions then.


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whats the melting point of a nanotube or nanorod[:)]

How to melt a diamond.

It can be done but a diamond has got the highest melting point of everything i think.

you need a tempareture of 4000 Kelvin

Thats well hot as well as well hard

but then again if a diamond has got the highest melting point of all materials,wouldnt the thing your trying to melt your diamond in melt before your diamond.



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« Reply #25 on: 14/10/2005 14:10:48 »
You'd have to use a nonotube/nanorod container to hold the liquid diamond goodness in.

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« Reply #26 on: 23/10/2005 23:27:35 »
Ok, enough about hard carbon, has anyone studied "hard water"? I'm not talking about the calcium compounds dissolved in drinking water in Canada, I'm talking about water-ice that's been compressed in cold anvils.
In the late 1940s, a researcher pondered "what kind of ice is at the bottom of a glacier?" So he attached refrigeration equipment to a hydraulic press, and squeezed a small block of ice until something went "snap" and the volume of the cube jumped down a notch. This new ice had a higher melting point.
The experiment was repeated. Again, the ice cube jumped to a smaller volume, then as more pressure was added, it decreased again. The limits of the press were reached and the experiment stopped.
In the mid-1950s, a more powerful press was assembled and the ice was once again compressed up to level 8, or ice VIII. This highly compressed ice was dark and hard as steel. Its melting point was never discovered, as it only got softer with higher temperatures.
A science-fiction writer realized that this Ice VIII had the potential to destroy life on  Earth. He reasoned that if ice VIII were released into the arctic it would grow as it attracted other water molecules into its unique structure. Unable to melt, the ice VIII mass would creep slowly across the ocean bottom, destroying a vital part of the ecosystem. Once created, it would be virtually impossible to reverse.
But .... before you run for the hills, remember that compressed ice likely lays at the bottom of the Greenland glaciers, as it has for centuries, but has not yet altered the biosphere. Ergo, the science was correct, but the fiction was ... well ... fiction.
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Re: Diamonds are well hard aren't they ?
« Reply #27 on: 29/01/2006 00:24:05 »
if diamonds are so hard what do they cut them with ?.
is there some super-tough substance out there that us commoners are not being told about.
its the drugs,y-know.

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« Reply #28 on: 29/01/2006 00:37:15 »
quote:
Originally posted by Ray hinton

if diamonds are so hard what do they cut them with ?.
is there some super-tough substance out there that us commoners are not being told about.




They actually use other diamonds to cut diamonds. Diamond tipped cutting tools.

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« Reply #29 on: 29/01/2006 01:48:46 »
thanks neilep for the welcome,if these diamonds are so hard,how come you dont see them with tattoos and shaved heads ? sorry, yes i know how they do it,diamond powder bonded to a wheel.
its the drugs,y-know.