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What is important about this report is not its findings.
Good response, and you are correct, I should have included the citation. Usually I do but I have become bored and lethargic on the matter.
When we discuss things like global climate change (the term 'global warming' is misleading)
Lee - You wrote: "Overall, the Earth is pretty much a closed system." This is patently absurd. The earth is primarily the creature of the sun. Even GW guys recognize this and simply state human CO2 will have dire consequences regarding solar radiation.I agree, however, that geologic phenomena such as volcanic activity, the Pacific Heat Vent, and oceanic circulation are very important. I simply point out these things are, to date, inadequately understood to such an extent the variables are nearly unknown over time.For instance, climatologists are at this very moment knashing teeth and rending cloths because their juvenile models can not account for current cooling. Even weather forcasters are suicidal in the UK. In October they projected a mild Winter. Before that they projected a barbeque Summer. Everyone would have been better off if they had all gone to a six months summit in Copenhagen and neglected any forecast at all.
pepper - You wrote: "Your new 'Plan B' scoop can only mean that you are finally accepting GW.I have consistently pointed out the climate has warmed since the Little Ice Age and have consistently used it to counter the stupid hokey stick climate graphs. Further, I simply point out 1) I am not convinced this warming is primarily due to increased human CO2; or 2)it is a bad thing anyway.
peppercorn - Christopher Johnson "What proportion of global warming is attributable to humans?" The question is moot because the earth has been cooling for nearly a decade. Further, sunspot cycle 24 has been sleeping for nearly three years. If this trend keeps up you will need warmer cloths.
First, the climate has been cooling for about a decade and with the sunspot cycle gone missing I am looking for bargains in sweater sales.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,k-6975,00.html"... the world grew warmer by 0.07 degrees Celsius from 1999 to 2008 and not by the 0.2 degrees Celsius assumed by the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. And, say the British experts, when their figure is adjusted for two naturally occurring climate phenomena, El Niño and La Niña, the resulting temperature trend is reduced to 0.0 degrees Celsius -- in other words, a standstill."
I admit to a predilection for periodic hyperbally. So I will concede the temperature might not be dropping. However, this Winter's climate is setting cold records accross the globe-- Winter Could Be Worst in 25 Years for USA...-- PAPER: GAS SUPPLIES RUNNING OUT IN UK... Elderly burn books for warmth?-- Vermont sets 'all-time record for one snowstorm'...-- Iowa temps 'a solid 30 degrees below normal'...-- Seoul buried in heaviest snowfall in 70 years... -- Historic ice build-up shuts down NJ nuclear power plant...-- Midwest Sees Near-Record Lows, Snow By The Foot...-- Major roads in Beijing and Tianjin, as well as nearby provinces Hebei, Shanxi and Inner Mongolia, were forced to close due to the heavy snow.-- Cold weather kills scores in India... And of course, in October UK forcasters predicted a mild Winter. And before that they predicted a scorching Summer. Oh well. Never mind. Maybe they got too many interns from East Anglia. Who knows.....However, aren't you one of those who believes Global Warming would be a bad thing?
Lee & GeezerI believe internet forums should resemble a large round table of debate where one participant is not only permitted, but is required by custom to irreverently point out the flaws in the presentation of other members. This is part of the fun, and also promotes more due diligence on the part of every one. Further, cheap shots are often a judgement calls, and the rules permit tit for tat.