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. Why would he amass a fortune in pelts he doesn't need, when he is trading his spears mostly for meat? ...
Colin, tut, tut, I'm truly shocked at your suggestion . Hunter gatherers could not subside themselves as vegetarian. This being only possible after the advent of farming.
Oh Colin, , truly, I despair of you!!!The diet of the hunter gatherer consisted of 'both' hunting and gathering. Surely this is a self explanatory title. Vegetarians did not exist, except of course when hunt failed...I reckon that a body permanently injured in a hunt, may well become specialised in producing flint arrow heads and fashioning knives, it would certainly ensure his survival in subsequent trade for meat.
[in 1856] Bazalgette's solution (similar to a proposal made by painter John Martin 25 years earlier) was to construct 82 miles (132 km) of underground brick main sewers to intercept sewage outflows, and 1,100 miles (1,800 km) of street sewers, to intercept the raw sewage which up until then flowed freely through the streets and thoroughfares of London.
And hardly surprising that Bazalgette's descendants produced "Big Brother". Faeces is the family business.
A spend by date for money would replicate a hunter gatherer type structure of non hoarding behaviour.
Ok, Colin, I'll stop pulling yer leg...
We can see from the first link that there is evidence that early man was far more advanced, far earlier than has been previously thought... We are talking pre-Neolithic here and pre-dating the advent of post Neolithic by some 480 000 years,
My point being that we as humans are hard wired in every aspect of our psyche to be attuned to this social structure. It's our natural state. My point being that the imbalance that we see in the division of resources in our modern day society would not occur in a hunter gatherer social structure unless the groups leader had gone completely insane, in which case the other group members would smash his head in with a rock while he slept! A leader who was not taking care of the interests of the group as a whole would be at risk.
Therefore, under this structure, and in light of their nomadic nature, we see that despite a hierarchal social structure, there will be no greatly unequal or widening division between the amount of resources available individually within this group.
..Chimp behaviour today is marred by human encroachment upon their territory..
On the basis that the Neolithic was a hunter gatherer, nomadic man, who still was not cooking with pots and pans, we can see that 'hoarding' behaviour cannot of been inherent to the human until the advent of farming. There was no need.
I am, by law, not permitted to rustle up a cow for Alan to pay for my scan, nor hunt wild game.
I am not permitted to move across the land, pitch camp and subside myself from the orchards and field produce of our countryside.
The Right of Public Access, or Allemansrätt, allows you to roam freely throughout the Swedish countryside, even on private land. The only condition is that you take care of nature and show consideration to the landowners and other people enjoying the nature.
Did they have a sense of humour? Wouldn't be human if they didn't.
QuoteOn the basis that the Neolithic was a hunter gatherer, nomadic man, who still was not cooking with pots and pans, we can see that 'hoarding' behaviour cannot of been inherent to the human until the advent of farming. There was no need. Tell that to the Inuit.
QuoteI am, by law, not permitted to rustle up a cow for Alan to pay for my scan, nor hunt wild game. Cows are private property, but right now there are people shooting and fishing for wild game just across the road from here.
QuoteI am not permitted to move across the land, pitch camp and subside myself from the orchards and field produce of our countryside. You have substantial rights of way and nobody will stop you foraging in public moors and woods. People will object if you steal or damage cultivated crops. Your rights are even broader in Scandinavia where the legal presumption is that the land belongs to everyone. The Right of Public Access, or Allemansrätt, allows you to roam freely throughout the Swedish countryside, even on private land. The only condition is that you take care of nature and show consideration to the landowners and other people enjoying the nature.
You don't have to conform to the wage slave norm. Plenty of people in Britain are homeless foragers, some by choice. But that's the point: most of us choose to live under a roof, with possessions that don't get used every day and money that may come in handy sometime. I offered, a few posts ago, to relieve you of any surplus cash under your "spend by" scheme, but you haven't shown me a penny yet. Now if I design or repair any kind of machine, convention is that I have to make the first flight in it. Far be it from me to accuse a friend of cowardice, but your apparent reluctance to give away old money, eat rats, and sleep under the stars, does suggest that you haven't quite convinced yourself of the argument for repairing society.
... Until the human condition of hoarding is addressed, ....
if I were to start cutting hazel for making baskets and wreaths to sell, removing large tracts of moss for decoration and cropping wild flowers to press. Making ornamental flowers out of elderflower branch hearts and dying them with dandelion juice...shooting down small native birds to decorate the hamstrings of a red deer I single handedly drove into a pit I'd dug earlier, lined with sharpened willow branches, etc, etc, this would not be permitted. I would be told, on the basis that if everybody did these things, there would be no common woods, or moorland beauty to behold, that I was in fact breaking the conservation laws.
Now I know how you's two's are renowned for having a bit of trouble with such complex concepts as these, ...
Quote from: timey on 18/10/2015 23:17:12Now I know how you's two's are renowned for having a bit of trouble with such complex concepts as these, ...Umm, what's that in metric?
PS You really haven't seen the size of this wood pile
According to the Credit Suisse global wealth report (pdf), a person needs just $3,650 – including the value of equity in their home – to be among the wealthiest half of world citizens. However, more than $77,000 is required to be a member of the top 10% of global wealth holders, and $798,000 to belong to the top 1%.
I repeat, if we came across an undiscovered tribe of people, whereas the most powerful person in this group denied the greater majority of his people the means to feed and house themselves sufficiently, while throwing food produce away - we would say that individual was mentally ill. Bat sh1t crazy is the term that comes to my mind!
..... Why would anyone need to increase the price of anything when the onus is on having to spend all of your own money.
(Edit: We are the apex predator, our only enemies being natural disaster and ourselves!) On the brighter side, when considering the universe as a system of particles in a flux of displacement, maybe we can take some comfort in the fact that we consist of matter that is in a state of constant recycle. In this respect and from this perspective, we are in fact just a part of a greater whole in which our ongoing existence is relative and subject to change.
.... young ones are sticklers for fairness, but look at what happens as we grow up