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What you have you call civilization. I'm not sure it is.
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None of this is rocket science. You can see those kind of trends developing, and they all come together in a death of a thousand cuts. And in a perfect storm. There is no beauty to this extinction, just a example of stupidity and greed.
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And no, I won't lie to you as the BBC does, presuming that global warming just is something we need to learn to live with. This is naturally what a lot of people wants to believe, but it is wrong. You won't be able to live side by side with global warming once a tipping is here. It will just be a new rat race in where you are forced to ever more desperate actions to mitigate and keep what you can. And you will lose this 'war', because you're fighting yourself. You're part of earth but you don't behave like it.
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So how to create nonviable situation. Depends on Country, sanctions both worked and didn't work with the USSR, but it had assets that it uses dictatorially both inside. and in the Warsaw pact. Iran is simpler, reminds me of North Korea in some ways.
" Iran’s Guardian Council watchdog body has approved a law on Wednesday that obliges the government to halt UN inspections of its nuclear sites and step up uranium enrichment beyond the limit set under Tehran’s 2015 nuclear deal if sanctions are not eased in two months.
In retaliation for the killing last week of Iran’s top nuclear scientist, which Tehran has blamed on Israel, Iran’s hardline-dominated parliament had on Tuesday approved the bill with a strong majority. "
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/03/iran-passes-law-threatening-to-halt-nuclear-inspections-and-boost-enrichment
So Mr Trump (and Mr Bolton) may be soon gone from the White House, but their legacy stays.
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And I won't even comment on this one.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/dec/02/world-is-doubling-down-on-fossil-fuels-despite-climate-crisis-un-report
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" The renowned coral reef scientist, Terry Hughes, said it was logical the IUCN had moved the Great Barrier Reef into the critical category after three bleaching events in five years. But he said it didn’t make sense that others, such as the Ningaloo Reef that fringes the Ningaloo Coast, were not also considered critical given the scale of the threat climate change posed to coral reefs worldwide.
“It’s not really credible to say the Barrier Reef is now super vulnerable to climate change but other coral reefs around the world aren’t,” he said. “Unesco have actually made that case very clearly.” "
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/dec/03/great-barrier-reef-outlook-critical-as-climate-change-called-number-one-threat-to-world-heritage
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" Deirdre Michie, the chief executive of Oil and Gas UK, said a hard deadline on oil and gas production – similar to the ban the sale of new fossil fuel vehicles from 2030 – would be a “blunt instrument” that could lead to “unintended consequences” for the thousands employed by the sector.
The UK’s North Sea supports about 260,000 jobs, 230,000 of which are in the on-shore supply chain, according to the IPPR report.
“You run the risk of investment stopping from the day you say it, not from the date of the deadline,” Michie said. “If there is a framework, and clarity of direction, it enables people to work out how they are going to get there rather than saying: ‘By that point, game over.’ The game would be over from the day that you say it.” "
Ahh, the man knows the fickle nature of his shareholders and investors, doesn't he? And he's correct. Set the deadline to 2023.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/dec/03/uk-north-sea-industry-urged-to-phase-out-oil-and-gas-extraction
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And I call bs on 1.5 C*
It won't happen.
" “Governments, until now, thought to a certain extent that they could do whatever they wanted,” Guterres said.
“But now … we see the youth mobilizing in fantastic ways all over the world.” And with solar and other renewable energy sources now cheaper than carbon-based equivalents, investors are realizing that “the sooner that they move … to portfolios linked to the new green and digital economy, the best it will be for their own assets and their own clients.” "
Isn't that a most remarkable statement?
For a dictatorship it may be acceptable, but for a democracy?
Well, he's speaking the truth, isn't he
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/dec/02/us-biden-rejoining-paris-agreement-un-secretary-general-climate-emissions
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And this.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/dec/02/wanted-uk-site-prototype-nuclear-fusion-power-plant
In one way it's science, in another it should have been on molten salt and how to solve its cooling process. Much closer to reality, especially considering the time frame we have, no more than three decades to get them up and running. Otherwise it will be plutonium.
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Or nothing. What those batteries do is to push it slightly into the future at the same it creates new pollution that we don't have a framework for. We can't send them to China, nor Africa, but maybe we will. Or bury them and pretend they don't exist.
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Global warming is about profits, and nothing can be allowed to stand in the way of making a profit on it, right?
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And this one has been talked to death.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/dec/02/covid-pandemic-offers-chance-to-act-on-climate-report-says
Let it go.
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And then we have this " “Polestar 2 clearly has a lower carbon footprint than a comparable internal combustion engine vehicle when considering its whole life cycle, regardless of how it is charged,” he said. “Electric vehicles are the future and offer a route to carbon neutrality, something fossil-fuelled vehicles can never achieve.” "
Sure, but the same stupid infra structure, right? One car, one man.
What a remarkable imagination, and 'vision' of a 'sustainable green' future. Now you just need to sell it to your politician so it can become a 'democratic' decision.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/dec/02/aston-martin-pr-firm-anti-electric-vehicle-study
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So La Nińa is losing its impact on our accelerating climate. Exactly as Corona did for the CO2 increase.
It didn't matter anymore.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-55150910
We're f*ing up big time, and we're doing it because we want too. You want a filled wallet in your grave, don't you? How are you going to take it with you?
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It's not that we're not inventive. If you look back we adapted to where we lived, we found nutrition in the woods and fields and made our own local variants of food. You can say we're adaptive.
http://www.bbc.com/travel/story/20201202-the-us-forgotten-high-south-cuisine?
But how can anyone adapt to a tipping of earths climate? Even if we could civilization, whatever that means, will be gone. The adaption you have to make, in a climate you can't live in, will be a equivalence to living on a space station.
But it's no space station you will look out from. It's your home. And it's not space, it's our earth.
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Ahh, found a laugh at last. " Rory Reid, Auto Trader UK’s YouTube director, noted that “the pandemic has shifted young people’s views of car ownership and gotten them to hit the road earlier than usual, as they look to rely less on public transport and try to minimise risk of spreading coronavirus”. "
See, 'responsible' :)
The 'crown of existence' at its pompous best.
Still think we stand a chance?
https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20201202-why-our-reliance-on-cars-could-start-booming
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People have those magic figures, 2050, 1.5 C*
None of them correct. We will pass 1.5 C* and sooner than 2050. And those that think that we can 'adapt' around it are wrong too. There are new 'black swans' coming constantly, 'unforeseen effects', ad infinitum. And that is without our current 'geopolitical situation' with 'limited nuclear wars'. Add to it topsoil , water, groundwater and you get the picture.
Then you need to add ignorance egoism hubris and greed. The idea that global warming is 'profitable', and stupidity of course. Education can just bring that much. The rest is up to you.
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/06/04/health/climate-change-existential-threat-report-intl/index.html
https://blogs.ei.columbia.edu/2019/06/20/climate-change-economy-impacts/
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Here's our answer to earth.
" In an intelligent, practical speech last September, the president of the British Association for the Advancement of Science, Frances Cairncross, urged that we begin such a discussion. "We need to think about policies that prepare for a hotter, drier world, especially in poor countries," she said. "That may involve, for instance, developing new crops, constructing flood defenses, setting different building regulations or banning building close to sea level." She points out that adaptation programs could move forward fast. Unlike plans to slow down global warming, which require massive and simultaneous international efforts, adaptation strategies can be pursued by individual countries, states, cities and localities. "
Geoengineering, gene manipulations, some of the ideas in the text similar to mine but treats it as a 'war'. We are going to 'fight' our way out of this. If you look at what I suggest it's not about a 'fight'. It may look like a war but if you place yourself in opposition to earth you will be the one that lose. Draw back, slow down, reservation for us not nature, change infra structures, one kid per person, think before you act. That's not about fighting, that's about using your mind.
If you got one?
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https://www.newsweek.com/global-warming-get-used-it-104789
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I'm not at all sure you do?
The degrees doesn't help there.
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It's about beliefs, ideals, being the 'crown of existence'. Making earth our 'garden'.
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