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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #15020 on: 04/12/2020 12:53:49 »
And I'm not sure what this is based on?

" The prime minister said on Thursday: “We have proven we can reduce our emissions and create hundreds of thousands of jobs in the process. We are taking the lead with an ambitious new target to reduce our emissions by 2030, faster than any major economy … The UK is urging world leaders to bring forward their own ambitious plans to cut emissions and set net zero [carbon] targets.” "

Proven how?

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/dec/03/uk-vows-outdo-other-major-economies-emissions-cuts-by-2030
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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #15021 on: 04/12/2020 13:00:22 »
Last but not least.

" Denmark produced the equivalent of 103,000 barrels of oil and gas a day in 2019, compared with the UK, which produced 1.7m barrels of oil equivalent last year and Norway, which produced 1.8 million barrels a day."

so how much does it hurt your wallet Denmark? But that's not the real hypocrisy here, that comes from the comments on their, actually pretty good, decision.

" “This is what climate leadership looks like,” Mel Evans, a senior climate campaigner for Greenpeace UK, said. “All eyes will be on the UK next year as we host crucial climate talks, so our prime minister should take note. If Johnson wants to keep up and build global momentum for the clean energy transition, he must cancel the next round of oil and gas licensing, end all future exploration and ditch the legal requirement to extract as much as possible from the North Sea basin.” "

Or you could call that one naivety, close to infantilism.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/dec/04/denmark-to-end-new-oil-and-gas-exploration-in-north-sea

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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #15022 on: 04/12/2020 13:05:21 »
And this is a sort of joke. How to prop up your reputation.

" Merchants of death may fund a range of cash-strapped tertiary institutions for Stem (science, technology, engineering and mathematics) programs, as happens in Australia now. Or donate their relative spare change to the Australian War Memorial, thereby both profiting from battle and reputationally (well, that’s the dubious aim) by commemorating the dead. Unthinkable? No. It’s been happening for years.

Or they could sponsor a leading Australian charity for children. Improbably, this also happened when weapons manufacturer BAE Systems Australia this year “partnered” with the national, independent children’s charity The Smith Family for three years. "

It's not weapons per se, it's what they're used for. How they are sold and to whom. Defense is defense, the rest about making it profitable. And making it look good.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/dec/04/the-strange-case-of-the-weapons-maker-and-the-australian-childrens-charity
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« Reply #15023 on: 04/12/2020 13:14:16 »
 Then we have the essence.

The essence of the game, never about morals, definitely about hypocrisy.

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2020/dec/04/philip-green-is-the-scrooge-who-haunts-millions-of-garment-workers
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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #15024 on: 04/12/2020 13:25:57 »
The soil you walk on.

" The scientists describe soils as like the skin of the living world, vital but thin and fragile, and easily damaged by intensive farming, forest destruction, pollution and global heating. "

Ignoring the stupidity, or would that be hubris, of creating its own 'label' on global warming The Guardian is very correct in lifting it up. And when it comes to 'intensive farming' you should by now be able to guess what that includes.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/dec/04/global-soils-underpin-life-but-future-looks-bleak-warns-un-report

http://www.fao.org/documents/card/en/c/CB1929EN


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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #15025 on: 05/12/2020 02:54:45 »
From hypocrisy to grease. " His private energy company, ERM Power, donated at least $197,640 to political parties over the decade to 2018 before it was sold to Shell last year – most of it to the Liberal National party in Queensland, but about $80,000 to the Labor party in Queensland and NSW. "

Just look at it as a international practice.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/dec/05/how-coal-baron-trevor-st-baker-turned-a-1m-power-plant-into-a-money-making-machine

greasing the wheels of progress.
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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #15026 on: 05/12/2020 03:00:28 »
And USA

" Poignancy gives way to horror at a situation that necessitates children asking Santa for simple needs, many of which could be met if the world’s largest economy had a stronger social safety net. As it is, Operation Santa feels a bit like a kid’s version of GoFundMe – the crowdsourcing platform many Americans use to help pay for even basic medical procedures covered by universal healthcare in places like Canada, the UK and Australia. "

Plasters, and USA don't even want one, just their kids.

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2020/dec/04/christmas-letters-santa-american-children
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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #15027 on: 05/12/2020 03:02:13 »
Yeah, I know. You can always find something worse. Still turns my tummy though. I'm getting very tired on the way we instilled inequality as a way of life.
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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #15028 on: 05/12/2020 03:17:47 »
This is what I find the BBC excelling in, not the future but this. https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20201204-lost-islamic-library-maths
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« Reply #15029 on: 05/12/2020 19:25:10 »
It all depends on how you look at it, doesn't it? First of all, good on you Denmark.

" Denmark’s climate minister is fairly certain that the deal to close down the nation’s oil industry by 2050, announced on Friday morning, marks the biggest moment in his career. “I think this is probably going to be the biggest decision that I’m a part of in my life,” Dan Jřrgensen tells the Guardian hours after the announcement.

“This obviously wasn’t an easy decision. We are the biggest oil producer in the EU. We have, since the 1970s, to a large extent financed our welfare state with oil money. So to say, ‘stop’, and to pay the cost for that, is a big deal for us.”

To call it the “biggest decision” is nonetheless significant for the man who for the past year has been the public face of what many argue is the world’s most ambitious climate goal, Denmark’s plan to cut emissions by 70% by 2030. "

But I'm not sure we can compare costs for Denmark relative Countries like the UK. But they are taking a hit to their wallet, which makes them one of the very few admitting that something needs to be done. Then we have this statement  " We are the biggest oil producer in the EU. "

Depends on how you look at it.

https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/crude-oil-production?continent=europe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_oil_production

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/05/the-danish-climate-minister-closing-down-the-oil-industry-for-good
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« Reply #15030 on: 05/12/2020 19:39:38 »
As a sign of the times for the oil and gas industry it must be worrying. Then again, what are Denmark planning for its further energy needs?

" Denmark has drastically decreased production of electricity from coal, and in 2019 it constituted less than 11% of the electricity production. Coal and all other fossil fuels, plus waste burned for electricity, amounted to 20% of the electricity production. The other 80% of the electricity produced came from renewables: wind power (57%; see wind power in Denmark), biomass and other combustible renewables (20%) and solar power (3%).

Denmark is a net importer of electricity: domestic production of electricity was equal to 83% of the total consumption, while net imports were 17% of the total consumption. The electricity Denmark imported came in large part from hydroelectricity and nuclear power (both being low-carbon sources). As a result, Denmark used hydroelectricity despite domestic production of it being close to zero; and part of the electricty consumed (3-4% according to older data) came from nuclear power, despite the country having no nuclear power stations. "

From Sweden and Norway. Nuclear and Hydro. And then we have the fact that Denmark was one the first developers of wind power, already in my youth. I don't expect them to join the campaign for natural gas. It's a good mix of energy so far.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_gas_in_Denmark
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« Reply #15031 on: 05/12/2020 19:50:24 »
It's about infra structures, and costs. You can check it up yourself, for your own country.

What you use today, then what you and your government are planning to use tomorrow. And last but not least, what kind of incomes you get from oil, gas, coal. It all has an importance for how it will look tomorrow. The hit to the UK:s and Norway's wallets is a lot bigger than Denmark's. And how about Russia and USA? China? India? and the list goes on.
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« Reply #15032 on: 05/12/2020 19:56:01 »
It's also about hypocrisy. Not too long ago the UK proudly talked about natural gas as a way out of global warming. I don't see that any more, but have their plans changed? Russia is building infra structures to sell it.
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« Reply #15033 on: 05/12/2020 20:06:01 »
Some countries I find more hypocritical than others. Norway, Australia, Canada are all very irritating to me. For different reasons. Norway because they call themselves a 'green' country at the same time as they lease out oil and gas rights to a threatened Arctic, increasing the amount of global warming that will hit the world. And those papers lifting them up are also hypocritical to me.

Australia because it has all the possibilities it needs for other sources of energy, as solar,, but still acts as if carbon resources are all they have. That's not about planing, that's about greed.

And Canada, and its tar fields.


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« Reply #15034 on: 05/12/2020 20:09:48 »
But the worst offenders will be those that makes a income from it, and the developing world including China.
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« Reply #15035 on: 06/12/2020 09:47:14 »
Carbon neutrality is a tricky thing. Burning wastes and bio mass, creating bush land to burn thinking you're carbon neutral is not exactly correct.  "  Trees, they point out, do not sequester substantial amounts of carbon until they are at least 30 years old, and then keep accumulating carbon for centuries; newly planted trees, which biomass advocates promote as climate savers, do not become significant carbon sinks for decades. "

And the truth is that the older they are the more efficient they become, as well as supporting and driving the eco and bio-systems where they exist, as f.ex a healthy soil.

So Denmark is failing in that motto, but so is Sweden, and all other country's too.

https://news.mongabay.com/2020/05/scientists-warn-congress-against-declaring-biomass-burning-carbon-neutral/
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« Reply #15036 on: 06/12/2020 09:49:41 »
One reason why I think we need to concentrate on drawing back and giving nature time to heal. We can slow down, it's noting unnatural in that but it will hit the GDP, your holy grail. And without democracy and sharing you will get unrest.
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« Reply #15037 on: 06/12/2020 09:50:41 »
So you stink, and you want to continue to stink. Can't help it, that is what you do.
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« Reply #15038 on: 06/12/2020 09:53:41 »
Why your game worked for so long was because earth still could be considered limitless. We passed a border there where I would like to define it as being passed somewhere in the beginning of 1900.
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« Reply #15039 on: 06/12/2020 09:56:15 »
It connects to the population increase we've seen since that, seven soon eight billion people. It also connects to what we call modern science, medicine, chemistry, physics, you name it.
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