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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #2000 on: 13/05/2016 18:22:40 »
Be a warrior, don't apologize, just make it better.
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« Reply #2001 on: 13/05/2016 18:26:06 »
I think you can
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« Reply #2002 on: 13/05/2016 18:30:42 »
Fight for your right to be born.
And mine
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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #2003 on: 16/05/2016 14:36:39 »
Some simple points explaining my views.

You live, and then you die.
What the f* did you expect?

None excluded :)

Love is your birthright. And so is making an ass out of yourself, it's life.
Be a warrior.

Stop caring about your death.
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« Reply #2004 on: 16/05/2016 15:19:07 »
You don't want to 'stick out' :)
Who does?

You can't avoid it being a warrior. The only comfort I'm able to give you there is, that in a society of warriors, no one will notice. Translated, there will be room to breathe.
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« Reply #2005 on: 16/05/2016 15:21:36 »
Well maybe some one will notice you :)
And good luck.
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« Reply #2006 on: 16/05/2016 16:44:31 »
One thing though. This road is not the easiest to take. And the only reward you'll know is at your death. There are a lot of simpler roads. On the other tentacle, they will leave you at the 16 of may 2016 (European time) with nothing to look forward too, never mind what 'fortune' you believe yourself to have, or control. You ever looked at those that believed the same, historically? What I give you is the way of the warrior, and a good death.
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« Reply #2007 on: 16/05/2016 16:59:06 »
Look forward, and take it.
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« Reply #2008 on: 16/05/2016 17:13:03 »
I can't promise you to feel perfect, just human.
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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #2009 on: 27/05/2016 16:51:37 »
Read this.
http://breakingdefense.com/2015/12/f-22-typhoon-rafale-lessons-from-the-trilateral-wargame/

What is does is to make me smile, we had it since the 'Draken' in the seventies. But due to supreme asslicking and stupidity we've downgraded it to Natos standards. Which now is trying to make it their 'invention'.

The difference between being true to yourself, and as a result also to those relying on you, versus adapting to the 'market' in whatever form it may take, political, financial, etc etc.
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« Reply #2010 on: 27/05/2016 16:59:54 »
Then again, considering the general awareness, maybe we deserve it? I don't know. sheep's won't ever take a step outside their comfort zone, and a better salary solves it all, N'est-ce pas?...
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« Reply #2011 on: 27/05/2016 17:11:31 »
There are some finer points to being a warrior. One is that you are responsible, another that you take that responsibility, a third that you are responsible for yourself, not for the world at large.

You will get a good death no matter what happens if you follow those rules. It builds on a assumption of that we all know the difference between what is good and what is bad, at a very basic level. But that is what I think we do, we don't throw cats into a fireplace for fun, anymore, do we?

Well, most of us don't.
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« Reply #2012 on: 27/05/2016 17:14:29 »
We evolve, but we also choose. Evolving becomes meaningless if you can't see.
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« Reply #2013 on: 27/05/2016 17:30:12 »
To call yourself a 'warrior' without taking on the responsibility is not acceptable. To think that good and bad is just a question of preference, or premises, is not acceptable, it change with the times as its expressions evolve, but it exist, just as 'instincts'.

It's your birthright too.
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« Reply #2014 on: 27/05/2016 17:32:44 »
as is clemency.
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« Reply #2015 on: 31/05/2016 19:12:49 »
The real point of it isn't you getting into some 'committee' , or 'thinktank'. It's about you. Doing the best you can to get a good death. One where you don't have to look at yourself and hate it. You don't have to love everyone, you don't have to kiss ass. Be yourself. This might not solve wars and global warming, but it will give you dignity.
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« Reply #2016 on: 31/05/2016 19:13:55 »
Do you get it?
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« Reply #2017 on: 31/05/2016 19:14:38 »
It's the only way, and it needs you.
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« Reply #2018 on: 31/05/2016 19:15:09 »
After this, back to physics :)
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« Reply #2019 on: 31/05/2016 19:25:29 »
And yes, f* money. We could have made this society a lot of ways, slower yes, then again, do you mind that? What's wrong with thinking it through? And making it better instead of worse. It's about you having a mind. Do you?
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« Reply #2020 on: 31/05/2016 19:27:39 »
Eh, of your own.
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« Reply #2021 on: 31/05/2016 19:28:18 »
A warrior.
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« Reply #2022 on: 31/05/2016 19:53:33 »
I don't know. You have have evolved? You might not like people,  it's of no importance t what I tell you. Whatever you see, you are responsible. It's your death. You gonna try or you gonna run? So far, we've run from it.

One point more.

I don't care, I can't be you.
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« Reply #2023 on: 31/05/2016 19:58:39 »
And I still don't know if you get it?

It's okay if you don't.  I'm still looking forward to a good death. Doesn't mean that I fixed it all, some things I did, others I didn't. But at least I know that I tried to follow a warriors creed:)

Do you?
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« Reply #2024 on: 31/05/2016 20:11:26 »
If you don't?
Welcome to our annihilation.

You can always define yourself as the final 'winner' though :) That will indeed become simpler as we go the way we've wandering.

If so, we are indeed a failed species And f* your cowardice.
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« Reply #2025 on: 31/05/2016 20:29:19 »
In the end, why should I care?
Why should you?

The only difference between you and me is that I think all life lives, not only you, all life.
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« Reply #2026 on: 31/05/2016 20:33:45 »
Ethics is what rules it, and we don't seem to be able to adapt, do we? Tell me, do we?
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« Reply #2027 on: 31/05/2016 20:40:32 »
A warriors ethics is a poor thing, versus the loss of a world. But it is for you, and me. Don't know if there is going to be a final arbitrament,but I will give myself my own, at my death. I don't want to lie. It's a lesson that took me a lifetime to learn, I offer it for free, and yeah, it's not worth more than you.

What is your worth?
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And mine too of course.

A never ending story, isn't it :)
F*ng ethics :)

Do it.
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« Reply #2028 on: 31/05/2016 21:00:16 »
You're alive
Didn't you know?
I promise, you are.

Do it.
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« Reply #2029 on: 31/05/2016 21:34:25 »
Another important point is that I don't have the answers. I only found a way to live and die. If everyone would adapt to it maybe we would have a chance. I think so, otherwise I wouldn't bother writing. But it's about you, not your neighbors, your boss, where you get money from, etc etc.

We all need to grow up. And it's hard.
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« Reply #2030 on: 31/05/2016 21:37:32 »
But you can always weight it against your own death. and what you will think as you do. It's important, We see the cowards today, running from death, they can't take it. Narcissism in its cleanest form, to live forever, and f* those that can't.

Some of us grows, others shrink.
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« Reply #2031 on: 31/05/2016 21:42:01 »
Do the taste of salt exist?
Do good versus bad?

Do you?
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« Reply #2032 on: 31/05/2016 21:42:25 »
Decide.
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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #2033 on: 04/06/2016 14:51:01 »
Now, this is most definitely a sidetrack, also one you might find rather useless.
I like security, and privacy.

Now a days everyone will offer you 'security', but the reimbursement you pay comes in terms of  privacy. I don't really differ between those two, to me security means that I have, and keep, my privacy. Today that's wrong :) You only find your 'security' in the trustworthiness of those providers delivering whatever you're interested, aka involved, in.

All of this to explain why I prefer Windows 7, to Windows 10, although the ability to game is better with W7 too as I get it. Linux and all those other dialects win in terms of security, speed, and probably reliability, but still lose in terms of user friendliness (GUI), and availability of software. That is also a question of what you started with naturally, but the question of software will remain.

So W7 on the latest Skylake architecture is a bother, and if you also happen to have an SSD (A hard disk consisting of R/W Ram, more or less) you want to use you will add to it :) There are a lot of discussions on the Internet about it as well as of the new 'security options' in the 'UEFI Bios' that Microsoft wants us to use. I've disabled mine by the way, as it's more of a restriction than of a way to get my computa to do what I like.

Now, if nothing works for you, try setting the 'hidden partition' on your Windows seven HD, if you now happen to have one? (Depend on how you've decided to install etc) to 'boot able. The easiest way to do that is from a 'linux live' CD using 'gp parted', or any able linux HD reader.. And yes, it may surprise you doing it. I expected a new installation on mine, if it now would work :), instead it booted up again?  It's an old trick of mine, but so are computers, well, as old as the trick at least :) it's the speed that have changed, not its principles and logic.










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« Reply #2034 on: 04/06/2016 14:59:46 »
And yes, it also should tell you that there is a definite change in the way a 'bios' treat firm/hardware today, compared to what bios originally existed. But I leave you to google that one, you should find it interesting though.
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Hmm, the last seems somewhat cryptic, doesn't it?

Well the point is that my 'Bios' (skylake) lost sight of my SSD. It 'didn't exist' for it. So, why should me using Linux on another machine, lifting out the HD from the original to set the flag on the hidden partition to 'boot able' make it exist? Wouldn't have worked in a Old Bios, would it :)

You better read up on those newfangled bios:es they want to serve you.
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One point more, I updated the bios before I tried this last, because I'm pretty lazy. Didn't help so I had to do manual labor on the machine, move the Hd to set the flag. Now, that bios, if I remember correctly, came in the size of around 16-17 MB? That's what a whole OS might need, so several layers in it, with the first one probably resembling a older variant of a Bios, checking up on hardware. the rest being a 'OS' of sorts. That's a pretty nasty thought from a security perspective, no matter if some company tells you that it's 'secure' :) Had a diskette once, when booted giving me a perfectly decent GUI, and that's only a few MB large.

The question one needs to ask one self here is how many back doors this kind of bios leave. saw someone stating that even though his 'skylake' bios didn't saw his HD, he still could boot into it, and me setting this flag getting mine W7 bootable? should really check whether it is the same for me, namely that the computer boots into the W7 gui, although the 'bios' still doesn't 'know/acknowledge' the hard disks existence :) And I will, sooner or later, (probably later though, I'm lazy.)
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« Reply #2035 on: 05/06/2016 11:14:50 »
try this one for size http://www.alphr.com/features/381565/uefi-bios-explained

"This means that UEFI can be just as powerful as a “real” OS. It can access all the memory installed in a system, and make use of its own little disk storage space – a sequestered area of onboard flash storage or hard disk space called the EFI System Partition. New modules can be easily added (hence “Extensible”); this includes device drivers for motherboard components and external peripherals, so user options can be presented in an attractive graphical front-end, controlled with the mouse. On touchscreen hardware, it’s possible to change system settings by swiping and tapping. It’s all a far cry from the clunky blue configuration screen of most BIOS implementations."

Let's see, what he calls 'clunky' I would call pretty damn hard to corrupt, then again, haven't bothered with those new 'bios:es' until now, although I had an idea of what you might be able to do if you ever could get into a bios :) Ever heard of 'virtual, ahem, isation'? One of the most interesting ideas around, and been around for the longest time now, in many disguises. I don't give much for the cloud myself, I'm old fashioned, but using virtual machines as 'servers' is a very good idea.
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Then I'm sure more than me have wondered about this 'secure boot' that is 'implemented'. You can see it two ways, one is like  DRM (another marvelous invention from your friendly cooperation, for you to consume, as in chew on, spit out, to then run away screaming tearing your hair out :) The other is to assume that the providers always know what is best for you, and yes, it's totally 'secure' even without a true standard.

Btw: another enjoyable read: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131016/06583824895/drm-html5-what-is-tim-berners-lee-thinking.shtml
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« Reply #2036 on: 05/06/2016 11:33:30 »
Heh, and this :)

"Q: Are you familiar with "rEFInd" utility for EFI multi-boot control?  What is your opinion of this program in particular, and this type of program in general?

MD: Yes. UEFI specifications make a number of pre-boot utilities possible. However, on a system with UEFI Secure Boot enabled, the binary of any utility must be signed by a trusted signing authority. Projects like this that might go the extra mile to produce a signed binary could make it easier for ordinary users to take advantage of their work on a broader range of systems."

Yep, 'digital signatures' as ones ultimate security :) Ah well, going all the way back to active x controls, doesn't it :) Totally secure I'm sure, just relax and let daddy take care of it.

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Soon the only thing left for people like me is to say goodbye to Mediocrosoft, at least not use Window$ for anything requiring the need of privacy, or for that sake, a free choice.
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« Reply #2037 on: 05/06/2016 11:56:24 »
This one, although a sidetrack, is also about ethics. Because it's not machines that implement those kind of things, it's individuals that accept corruption, using their belief in themselves being 'white hats' as their defense. And translating  a 'White hat' into more understandable language, they then see themselves as incorruptible. So, Narcissism, ego, and 'profits', all hidden under a white hat.
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« Reply #2038 on: 05/06/2016 12:02:19 »
Logically you can't be both, both corrupted as well as incorruptible, can you? Although, we're all humans, so maybe we can :) But this remarkable logic should then only be working on a 'human plane', as it would destroy most of all other stuff you expect to work, if 'implemented'. Being a 'warrior' will help you with this, and make you able to choose. It will make you uncomfortable in other eyes though :)
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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #2039 on: 06/06/2016 07:06:52 »
A funny thing with power structures are that they all steal your individuality, they want you to conform. So, assuming that this world would be better of without you being yourself makes sense to you? A hierarchy builds on you adapting. The most used defense i can come up with, for the moment, for hierarchies is that they makes cooperation easier :) Well, if that is the truth then a slave based society should be the ultimate hierarchy, or why not a dictatorship? What we call democracy here in the west still works from a hierarchy based model. We only exchanged the idea of 'elders' instructing the young to an idea of 'profits', instructing us all. And as always, 'profits' keeps us blameless, it wasn't me...
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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #2040 on: 06/06/2016 07:14:12 »
Actually, you are responsible. And the higher up in that hierarchy you are, the more responsibility rest on your shoulders. No individuals like this though, especially not if you're already corrupted manipulating others. so there are different structures for taking care of blame, and they become more and more obvious the higher up you climb. Using peoples inability to remember for example, enhancing it with disinformation is one used strategy, letting someone farther down take on your responsibility is another. We even create laws securing those strategies.
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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #2041 on: 06/06/2016 07:19:15 »
And what it gives us is what you see.
Possibly refuse to see.
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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #2042 on: 06/06/2016 07:23:50 »
Ever wondered why we haven't changed this hierarchy based 'democracy' to one where everyone can vote on whatever they find important? We have asymmetric encryption, enabling us to uniquely identifying each individual voter as being the one he says he is, we have a Internet enabling us to communicate directly. We have all mechanisms needed, but we don't use them.
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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #2043 on: 06/06/2016 07:25:17 »
Is it about you not wanting responsibility :)
Well, you are responsible any which way you turn.
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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #2044 on: 06/06/2016 07:27:11 »
Turn it around, is it others not wanting to give you that responsibility?
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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #2045 on: 06/06/2016 07:29:48 »
What is a democracy?
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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #2046 on: 06/06/2016 07:50:50 »
Ok, remember my argument for lesser and greater infinity's? That even though 'space' is greater than the volume of planets in a infinite space, both must contain infinity.
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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #2047 on: 06/06/2016 07:52:49 »
They must, doesn't matter what you look at. Now, saw an article in where people was discussing whether we're living in a 'simulation'. Now, would a simulation allow infinity's, and free choice?

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« Reply #2048 on: 06/06/2016 07:57:30 »
Depends on how you define it, doesn't it? But if it would be true, then it tells us that infinity can be folded inside infinity.  That means that whatever a infinity is seen as from an 'inside it',  it must be able to be defined as having a limit from an 'outside it'. Now, that's a weird thought :)
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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #2049 on: 06/06/2016 08:01:20 »
Logically it doesn't fit.
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